[Basic] Disney Heroes vs. Villains Mafia C9++ Town Wins

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

 

i think cass is town

 

[unvote]

What changed?

 

me. i'm giving less weight to her reaching (in my estimation) to make reads, and i now understand that she didn't have meta on wifi.

 

 

You remember that time that guy called out Cass for backtracking?

 

apples and oranges mate.

 

 

Are both fruits.

 

Whats your point?

 

According to what you called backtracking irt Cass its pretty similar imo.

 

lol not at all.

 

cass 'didn't change her mind'.

[Sili Quirrels]

she probably couldn't have rationalized changing her mind anyway.

 

like so little time inbetween, no way she changes her mind on 3 people in that span.

[Zander?]

 

 

1. Shander the DragonHawk (Shad_/Zander) - slight town - Has been investigating the "conversations" that have been happening ITT and Making comments on said investigations

2. Nynlia (Hallia/Nynaeve) - null - slight town - most posts are joke posts but there are some tangible posts in there along with a good reads list from hallia, though I still don't get why no one gets me, I'm town ofc. 

3. Sili Quirrels - null - slight town - good dissemination of dice/believers conversation and interaction with cass.

4. Katiora  - null - not enough to go on, imo.

5. Cass - null - slight town - interaction with Sili and questioning of other players.

6. Andrej - null - very slightly town - He's being very logical which could make him town or scum.  I am going to give him the botd, for now.

7. Believer - null - slightly scummy - I know it might seem hypocritical cause I was pushing for Andrej's lynch but I had what I thought was absolute reasons for it imo, anyway He calls like 3 people scum, 2 without reasons and the 3rd with sketchy reasons

8. Darooh (Darthe/Sooh) - null - not enough info

9. Tiinker - null to slightly town - seriously questions cass and believer on their reasons for their cases against people.

10. Wildfire Sedai - TOWN QUEENIE

11. Lenlo - null - not enough info

12. Celeste - null - very slightly town - puts out there that she is a jokester (my word) in the joke phase of d1 and to not take it too seriously. I still don't know where to put her yet but leaning to very slightly town.

13. dicetosser1 -  null - slightly town - questions believers case on celeste and helping people out ITT

 

DISCLAIMER: this reads list WILL CHANGE...heck it might have already changed idk It took me so long to do it.  anyway just giving you fair warning.

 

Lily made this same type of self read last game that I called her out on and she was a Wolf...

 

Just sayin'

 

Lily?

 

This is literally how WIFI has always made her reads.

 

 

Yes Lily

 

It is.

 

It annoys me when anyone does it,

 

lolololol

[Nynaeve]

@Zander apparently the Sooh/Derf vote on Believer was a welcome vote she did when the game started. Just a fyi.

[Sili Quirrels]

dealing with people like zander is sort of frustrating. he just calls me a hypocrite and there's no reason for it. being a hypocrite will never make someone a wolf.

 

and that said, i'm not exactly a hypocrite in what he brings up, but whatever.

[Sooh]

@Zander apparently the Sooh/Derf vote on Believer was a welcome vote she did when the game started. Just a fyi.

Yeah, I saw Darthe attempted to vote Celeste later on, but he didn't unvote. That's what caused her to vote us I guess.

[Believer]

I'm going to bed. Back in 7-8 hours.

[Zander?]

 

Where is Tiink btw? He's been very scarce.

 

That's a very good question.

 

 

Agreed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Sooh

 

I just noticed, you have me as slight town or something of the like.

 

Why is that?

 

Feel free, if you want, to wait with answering this until you've read the entire thread.

I haven't seen anything up until page 44 which has made me think you're scummy. I am pretty ready now, 15 pages after I made that short reads list, to promote both you, Shander and Cass to my village as I've seen nothing to change my earlier vibes. 

 

 

5 townies + ourself in one sitting? Good one!

 

Alright then.

 

Actually not alright then.

 

Why would you be town reading me? The way I've acted/posted so far has been nothing like what you've seen me before. It's not even like my private personality, which you should know.

 

Why is it not wierd that I'm being so over the top here?

I don't even think you've mentioned it so far.

 

Having a hard time responding to this question currently.

 

Alright, I'll try. I don't necessarily think your reads have been the best this game. I think you've prematurely called both Celeste and Dice scum, BUT I can see WHY you made those conclusions sorta, and it's not uncommon for either of them to be scum read for the current behavior they have shown this game. 

 

I know their meta, and while I'm on the fence on both and haven't mentioned them much (kinda want my other head's input) I don't think either of them are outside their regular town meta. I'll get back to you on them. 

 

So, that's why I'm currently town reading you.

 

 

 

 

What current behavior of Dice is indicative of his Scum game?

 

Read again. I'm not saying that current game state is indicative of Dice's scum game. I'm actually not saying anything about my feelings about Dice currently, because he just hasn't been very memorable this game to me. 

 

As a first time reader of Dice, I can see why he would think Dice would be scum. 

 

Personally I don't have a conclusion wrt Dice.He could be either atm to me. 

 

 

Read the highlighted again in the spoilers please.

[Shad_]

 

"It's popular to think I'm scum now" is a pretty meh attitude if you're a villager, because you're usually an easy read and someone I end up bouncing thoughts off of once we've reached a confident read on each other.

if i'm not an easy read you don't know how to read me.

 

 

Meh.  I've had you solved relatively early in every game we've played and you don't feel like your normal self.  Maybe I'm off or maybe you're off or maybe we're both off or maybe you're a wolf.   I haven't seen the meta comments I'm used to.  I haven't seen the personality assessment to determine how this or that player would most likely react to a situation as town vs wolf that I'm used to.  Your critique of Cass felt on first read like a generic "I think scum would be more likely to do this" perspective rather than a "I think Cass is x type thinker and that makes her behavior scummy" perspective like I'm more used to.  I thought your lack of comment on Believer when he was the most intriguing player in the field was odd for you.  I've got another two hours or so before the kid distractions die down and I can really read and maybe I'll go "oh derp he's being normal" or maybe I'll be left in the same state of mind I'm at right now.  /shrug

[Sili Quirrels]

ima change my reads.

 

shad/believer/tinker for wolves.

[Zander?]

Whoa, no, he's very nice.

 

I meant with the false bravado.

 

 

scum reads fwiw are something like tinker, sooh/darthe, believer. tinker's there partially because peer pressure however. that might be temporary. and sooh had a genuine enough post when she was talking about my association with believer.

 

i imagine there's only one wolf in the above, or two max, and i bet the remaining wolves can be found in celeste, kat, lenlo, maybe dice. those four i don't have strong reads about, but it's just poe.

 

wait werent you Town reading Tinker????

[Sooh]

 

 

Where is Tiink btw? He's been very scarce.

 

That's a very good question.

 

 

Agreed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Sooh

 

I just noticed, you have me as slight town or something of the like.

 

Why is that?

 

Feel free, if you want, to wait with answering this until you've read the entire thread.

I haven't seen anything up until page 44 which has made me think you're scummy. I am pretty ready now, 15 pages after I made that short reads list, to promote both you, Shander and Cass to my village as I've seen nothing to change my earlier vibes. 

 

 

5 townies + ourself in one sitting? Good one!

 

Alright then.

 

Actually not alright then.

 

Why would you be town reading me? The way I've acted/posted so far has been nothing like what you've seen me before. It's not even like my private personality, which you should know.

 

Why is it not wierd that I'm being so over the top here?

I don't even think you've mentioned it so far.

 

Having a hard time responding to this question currently.

 

Alright, I'll try. I don't necessarily think your reads have been the best this game. I think you've prematurely called both Celeste and Dice scum, BUT I can see WHY you made those conclusions sorta, and it's not uncommon for either of them to be scum read for the current behavior they have shown this game. 

 

I know their meta, and while I'm on the fence on both and haven't mentioned them much (kinda want my other head's input) I don't think either of them are outside their regular town meta. I'll get back to you on them. 

 

So, that's why I'm currently town reading you.

 

 

 

 

What current behavior of Dice is indicative of his Scum game?

 

Read again. I'm not saying that current game state is indicative of Dice's scum game. I'm actually not saying anything about my feelings about Dice currently, because he just hasn't been very memorable this game to me. 

 

As a first time reader of Dice, I can see why he would think Dice would be scum. 

 

Personally I don't have a conclusion wrt Dice.He could be either atm to me. 

 

 

Read the highlighted again in the spoilers please.

 

A first time reader of Dice would probably find both Dice's town AND scum meta to be scummy. Perhaps more so his town meta, because of his confrontational nature.

 

Also I don't explain things well at the end of a long day. Just, try to understand what I'm attempting to say?

[Believer]

ima change my reads.

 

shad/believer/tinker for wolves.

This just seems like OMGUS right now.

 

bbl

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

"It's popular to think I'm scum now" is a pretty meh attitude if you're a villager, because you're usually an easy read and someone I end up bouncing thoughts off of once we've reached a confident read on each other.

if i'm not an easy read you don't know how to read me.

 

 

Meh.  I've had you solved relatively early in every game we've played and you don't feel like your normal self.  Maybe I'm off or maybe you're off or maybe we're both off or maybe you're a wolf.   I haven't seen the meta comments I'm used to.  I haven't seen the personality assessment to determine how this or that player would most likely react to a situation as town vs wolf that I'm used to.  Your critique of Cass felt on first read like a generic "I think scum would be more likely to do this" perspective rather than a "I think Cass is x type thinker and that makes her behavior scummy" perspective like I'm more used to.  I thought your lack of comment on Believer when he was the most intriguing player in the field was odd for you.  I've got another two hours or so before the kid distractions die down and I can really read and maybe I'll go "oh derp he's being normal" or maybe I'll be left in the same state of mind I'm at right now.  /shrug

 

last time i made such a read so early in the game was when i was focusing on intro posts.

 

such character reads are difficult to make besides.

 

and i don't know cass that well also. i have basic meta of her and that's it.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

1. Shander the DragonHawk (Shad_/Zander) - slight town - Has been investigating the "conversations" that have been happening ITT and Making comments on said investigations

2. Nynlia (Hallia/Nynaeve) - null - slight town - most posts are joke posts but there are some tangible posts in there along with a good reads list from hallia, though I still don't get why no one gets me, I'm town ofc. 

3. Sili Quirrels - null - slight town - good dissemination of dice/believers conversation and interaction with cass.

4. Katiora  - null - not enough to go on, imo.

5. Cass - null - slight town - interaction with Sili and questioning of other players.

6. Andrej - null - very slightly town - He's being very logical which could make him town or scum.  I am going to give him the botd, for now.

7. Believer - null - slightly scummy - I know it might seem hypocritical cause I was pushing for Andrej's lynch but I had what I thought was absolute reasons for it imo, anyway He calls like 3 people scum, 2 without reasons and the 3rd with sketchy reasons

8. Darooh (Darthe/Sooh) - null - not enough info

9. Tiinker - null to slightly town - seriously questions cass and believer on their reasons for their cases against people.

10. Wildfire Sedai - TOWN QUEENIE

11. Lenlo - null - not enough info

12. Celeste - null - very slightly town - puts out there that she is a jokester (my word) in the joke phase of d1 and to not take it too seriously. I still don't know where to put her yet but leaning to very slightly town.

13. dicetosser1 -  null - slightly town - questions believers case on celeste and helping people out ITT

 

DISCLAIMER: this reads list WILL CHANGE...heck it might have already changed idk It took me so long to do it.  anyway just giving you fair warning.

 

Lily made this same type of self read last game that I called her out on and she was a Wolf...

 

Just sayin'

 

Lily?

 

This is literally how WIFI has always made her reads.

 

Yeah, I have always been TOWN QUEENIE.  except for my first game because I was totally new and Darthes game cause we were all scum/sk/mason/jester. the rest I have been TOWNIE including this one.

 

 

ok ty

[Sili Quirrels]

 

ima change my reads.

 

shad/believer/tinker for wolves.

This just seems like OMGUS right now.

 

bbl

 

 

wut.

[Zander?]

Zander, read the thread to the end and bookmark the things you want to respond to. If you can't find an answer then you ask it.

 

I've answered this question before you asked it two times.

 

No

 

gut says you shouldn't ever ever lynch wifi. but maybe i'm saying that because if she's town she might need cred from confirmed villagers.

 

Is Sili in spew mode?

[Lenlo]

 

1. Shander the DragonHawk (Shad_/Zander) - slight town - Has been investigating the "conversations" that have been happening ITT and Making comments on said investigations

2. Nynlia (Hallia/Nynaeve) - null - slight town - most posts are joke posts but there are some tangible posts in there along with a good reads list from hallia, though I still don't get why no one gets me, I'm town ofc. 

3. Sili Quirrels - null - slight town - good dissemination of dice/believers conversation and interaction with cass.

4. Katiora  - null - not enough to go on, imo.

5. Cass - null - slight town - interaction with Sili and questioning of other players.

6. Andrej - null - very slightly town - He's being very logical which could make him town or scum.  I am going to give him the botd, for now.

7. Believer - null - slightly scummy - I know it might seem hypocritical cause I was pushing for Andrej's lynch but I had what I thought was absolute reasons for it imo, anyway He calls like 3 people scum, 2 without reasons and the 3rd with sketchy reasons

8. Darooh (Darthe/Sooh) - null - not enough info

9. Tiinker - null to slightly town - seriously questions cass and believer on their reasons for their cases against people.

10. Wildfire Sedai - TOWN QUEENIE

11. Lenlo - null - not enough info

12. Celeste - null - very slightly town - puts out there that she is a jokester (my word) in the joke phase of d1 and to not take it too seriously. I still don't know where to put her yet but leaning to very slightly town.

13. dicetosser1 -  null - slightly town - questions believers case on celeste and helping people out ITT

 

DISCLAIMER: this reads list WILL CHANGE...heck it might have already changed idk It took me so long to do it.  anyway just giving you fair warning.

 

Lily made this same type of self read last game that I called her out on and she was a Wolf...

 

Just sayin'

 

She made this post last game and was town dude. This isnt new.

[Sili Quirrels]

like, wut?

 

unless i was specifically saying tinker and wifi and one of the 4 i don't have strong opinions about were wolves, literally every possible wolf read of mine would be omgus.

 

and the readlist before my most recent one was even more omgus because at least tinker hasn't scumread me afaik.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Zander, read the thread to the end and bookmark the things you want to respond to. If you can't find an answer then you ask it.

 

I've answered this question before you asked it two times.

 

No

 

gut says you shouldn't ever ever lynch wifi. but maybe i'm saying that because if she's town she might need cred from confirmed villagers.

 

Is Sili in spew mode?

 

don't piss me off further.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I AM CAUGHT UP!

*applause*

 

Don't forget to catch your breath. :)

 

Lol

 

It wasn't the worst.

 

I guess our vote is still on you.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Sili[/v]

 

did you seriously just vote me for something i do every game?

 

when me changing my mind about cass isn't even especially convenient from a wolf's pov?

 

Yup. That ONE thing is exactly why I voted you.

 

No, I voted you because of your feelings about Cass' post, your subsequent failing to form any kind of convincing argument as to why your feelings were valid and your weird coupling with Tiink. I was going to vote you long before your hard unvote.

 

 

uhuh.

 

i don't buy it.

 

you're probably a wolf.

 

[v]doorah[/v]

 

You don't "buy" what?

 

your read of me.

 

you don't get my interpretation of cass' posts, but i clearly tried to illustrate how i came to my conclusion so you can't fault me for lack of effort. and this all started for me when you call my changing my mind sketch, which it really isn't, so you changed why you were voting me.

 

really none of the reasons you present mean i'm a wolf to a rational observer. i voted cass at the start of the game (which was page 20, but it was my first read), and it wasn't a very developed case which i admitted like several times during my discussion with zander, so the fact i couldn't communicate why effectively (for you) probably only means that it was a weak read. And you have people like aj saying the whole thing was pretty typical silli so it's difficult to see you voting me without some measure of doubt.

 

actually considering you know me, it's difficult to see you as town ever voting me for having a weak early game read and going on about it for a while, even if i wasn't actually going on about it but rather explaining the read most of the time.

 

 

You can be faulted for how you came to your conclusion.

 

Ive been calling you out about it.

 

Now the complete flip.

 

Its weird to say the least.

 

Im not even saying this is not in the Town!SIli spectrum. 

 

But added with other things and its leaving me with some uneasy feelings.

 

 

it's hard to know what part of the cass read you mean still.

 

was it my interpetation of cass' post? were the reads phrased less strongly than i thought?

 

was it my meta of cass that was incorrect?

 

or was the argument she was reaching for reads weak?

 

the first and third i might go for, but my interpretation and my reads are basically mine and i allow myself to make mistakes.

 

as to flipping, come on, i do it every game.

 

[Nynaeve]

Is Sili in spew mode?

 

It crossed my mind. Heh.

[Lenlo]

So im gonna level with people here. I got halfway through the reread, saw the other half left to go, got really tired and decided screw it. Im playing this game from pages 1-30 and 50-60. Who needs 30-49

[Sili Quirrels]

well zander you succesfully made me talk for '25 pages' about a weak read, thus making it a bigger deal out of it than i'd have made on my own, so that other people can push me for it.

[Zander?]

tbh i feel like giving up on this mess. it's popular to think i'm scum now, and everyone has different reasons.

 

and a few people have bad meta of me.

 

town's obviously messing up, and that's going to make it very easy for wolves to play.

 

i probably should be lynched atp. and besides i don't think i have a lot more patience in me.

 

I dont see how you draw that conclusion form this situation?