[Basic] Disney Heroes vs. Villains Mafia C9++ Town Wins

Believer · August 18, 2016

My thoughts are in my case, that's why I made it.

Sili Quirrels · August 18, 2016

i think cass is town

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Kaylee · August 18, 2016

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Tiinker (1): Nynlia

Celeste (1): Lenlo

Believer (3): Darooh, Andrej, Dice

Cass (1): Tiink

Darooh (3): Wildfire, Celeste, Shander

Sili (2): Cass. Believer

Not Voting (2): Katiora, Sili

It takes 7 to lynch.Deadline for Day 1 is 8:00 AM PDT/11:00 AM EDT on Friday, 8/19/16.

Sooh · August 18, 2016

Sili, pls explain your "wolf trying to read correctly" comment wrt me giving AJ's post Towny points there.

Where do you stand on AJ right now?

FYI I'm not reading him either way, nor was that post hard-pushing anyone anywhere. It was me voicing the vibes I picked up on skim at work (ie. Gerrrofff me if you're not a Wolf. I'll re-look at everything when I get home).

What makes Wi-Fi a weak player?

Do you have alignment meta on her?

Why is questioning her reacting badly to pressure a bad thing?

Have you gone back and looked/got thoughts on her AJ stance?

answered about aj a while ago. you should have read that i think.

wifi's new

it's bad because it's easy lol

i'm not trying to read wifi at the moment.

Yey! Answers!

Why aren't you trying to read WiFi?

It's sus that you vote me for comments about her play if you haven't analysed her play yourself. Being new doesn't mean you shouldn't be pressured by players who find your actions odd.

WRT answers about AJ? Went back to ISO in case I missed something and these were all I could find.

and giving aj towny points for being logical which he might do as either allignment but probably as a wolf more in my personal opinion (but anyway) when 4 people are voting him? could easily be a wolf trying to read correctly or a wolf protecting a pal, though i'd lean toward the former for now.

i want to clarify what i said about aj.

aj seems a little more aggressive than he was as a wolf here. some of his posts have some bite.

but it's just a little. and i'm still making up my mind.

I did comment/ask questions about this and you never answered me.

Basically, main sticking points to the first point:

- I see no logical Wolf motive and can't follow why I should be Wolfy for giving his post towny points, especially if you're leaning towards having him as Town. IMO 'Trying to read correctly' doesn't seem a Wolfy thing.

- It could be equally plausible that a wolf protects their pal when there's 4 people voting him by shifting votes onto someone else and maintains distance from them by giving a hedgey read (ie you could be sus);

- Contradiction between what you state is your opinion of AJ's play (more wolfy when being logical), and how you ultimately lean him in your post.

The last process was explained logically with your clarification post so is discarded tinfoil. I think essentially we had a similar thought process wrt AJ (leaning certain posts towards more-likely Town, being ultimately undecided on his role). Which means you could equally be hedging or Town us are legit unsure of AJ and each other and dancing in circles.

Your push of me/responses leaning heavily on my earliest game impressions, commenting on nothing else and not seeming interested in actually trying to figure me out are probably the things which tilt me out the most.

some wolves like to be right. they feel it gives them credit. but my main take away was that those reads don't seem legit coming from you. in my opinion at any rate.

cass you give aj a town read. and the only justification you present is that you could follow his logic.

and to clarify, i didn't see aj being 'logical' i'm just taking your word for it. my read of aj is separate from yours, and so there's no contradiction here. i'm just not curious enough about wifi or aj to investigate further.

it's sus that you vote me for comments about her play if you haven't analysed her play yourself.

if i investigate wifi maybe i find something suspicious about wifi, but regardless of my findings the reason you gave for your read was weak, certainly in the context of wifi's meta.

Being new doesn't mean you shouldn't be pressured by players who find your actions odd.

well at the time i thought you had meta on wifi because i thought you were an active player on whatever site wifi learned from.

i'm reluctant to call this track irrelevant now, but it probably is wrt your alignment.

Sili, that was my second post. I said I kinda liked AJ. I saw thought, deliberation and logic in the post and gave it (the post) Towny points. It does not a be all and end all on AJ make. IIRC I even mentioned that I didn't necessarily agree with his view. Objectively though, players who are working to figure others out are more likely to be Town (Thank you Correh and players of WoW). If AJ continues posts like that, I'll continue giving those posts Towny points.

Ok for the contradiction, that was under probable-tinfoil-due-to-crazy-lady-versus-Sili anyway.

IMO there's a decent enough chance that our personalities are spinning each other in circles here that I'm going to rely on other's experience to help me out with you for now. But as before, if you continue to base a wolf read of me on that post without further consideration of my actions since then, your reluctance to look further gets negative points on my sheet.

You don't have to investigate WiFi or AJ further. Pick anyone other than me and give opinions/thoughts on their posts. Pick any post of mine on anybody but the people mentioned in that first game-post and think about/give points on that.

Find something else besides that one post that interests you in the game and talk about it.

Re: Cass/Sili (with an added side of Tiink)

I found Cass' first reads post to be natural and open for that time of the game. She had thoughts on SOME players and put them out there. She didn't feel the need to include everyone, which for me is a good sign. Mafia sometimes find it hard to fake reads on everyone in a game, perhaps especially their partners, and they will put everyone in a reads list with "null" stamped next to them (Re: Tiink's list).

Her play this game also reminds me of the last game I played with her when she was town, so I'm reading her town.

Sooh · August 18, 2016

i think cass is town

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What changed?

Nynaeve · August 18, 2016

Ok who on his train are you gals sussing?

Id never hurt you!!!

<3 <3 <3

It's the formation of the train itself that was bugging me (and I think Hallia as well). Because we're not really considering B as a lynch option today. I couldn't even remember who was on the actual train, it was more a off the cuff impression I shared with her that she felt the need to share ITT lol (Bad Halli!). This is why earlier Halli made an unofficial VC bump post. I was on my phone and I asked her to look up who was on the train. But my comment was more general, irt a train forming on Believer more so than who's on the actual train. If that makes sense.

As it were, I'd like to see what AJ has to say about what I asked him earlier (irt moving away from Tiinker to Believer without applying any pressure on Tiink or the rest of the people on his train, like he said he would). Dice I feel might just be exercising his right to be stubborn. Sooh/Darthe... hard to say. Sooh is posting more now so we'll see. Though it's most likely was Darthe that cast the vote. I'll look up his reasoning when I get a chance.

Hallia · August 18, 2016

Ok who on his train are you gals sussing?

Personally, Darooh was sketching me out. Glad Sooh is posting. The rest I'll keep to myself for the time being for raisins.

@Hallia

You're fun to play with. +1

D'aw You are as well, I'm glad you joined us! I hope you come back too. ^.^'

I try to remember that in the end, it's a game, and we are meant to have fun.

Zander sometimes gets into the passion of the game but he's a dollface too.

I'll be sad if you're scum, please don't be.

I'm not. :happy:

Nobody is talking to me

I suppose that's for the lack of topics that I have been involved in.

I have two hot reads upon page 30, and those are:

Wifi: TOWN

Nynlia: TOWN

Remains to be seen if my other head agrees.

I'll talk to you, what do you want to talk about?

I dunno. The weather?

Just reading up atm.

Current feels around p30 is

Town:

Wifi

Nynlia

Believer

Shander

Cass

Buncha nulls

Sili

Tiinker

I don't hate this list! Except where Wifi is.

Nobody is talking to me

I suppose that's for the lack of topics that I have been involved in.

I have two hot reads upon page 30, and those are:

Wifi: TOWN

Nynlia: TOWN

Remains to be seen if my other head agrees.

Why is Wifi town?

Post #496

and subsequent "but joke phase was over!"

I don't think these things make her town. Lord knows I've given up trying to understand the logics though.

Hallia · August 18, 2016

OMG NYN GET OUT OF MY HEAD

(And stay in my heart :wub: )

Sooh · August 18, 2016

Keep reading, Hallia. I've explained more in depth about Wifi.

Nynaeve · August 18, 2016

i think cass is town

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lol

Sili Quirrels · August 18, 2016

also tick sounds genuine, though i don't know him. He seems like a breath of fresh air, and i'm a little nervous he's a wolf who has tmi, but my intuition is that's tinfoil.

as i said earlier, wifi seems town, but i'm not confident.

aj light town i guess.

zander i'd guess is town. for some reason i just believe that. he's a little erratic, but when he was questioning me earlier it was so very zander.

Believer · August 18, 2016

@Sooh

I just noticed, you have me as slight town or something of the like.

Why is that?

Feel free, if you want, to wait with answering this until you've read the entire thread.

Sili Quirrels · August 18, 2016

i think cass is town

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What changed?

me. i'm giving less weight to her reaching (in my estimation) to make reads, and i now understand that she didn't have meta on wifi.

Sooh · August 18, 2016

@Sooh

I just noticed, you have me as slight town or something of the like.

Why is that?

Feel free, if you want, to wait with answering this until you've read the entire thread.

I haven't seen anything up until page 44 which has made me think you're scummy. I am pretty ready now, 15 pages after I made that short reads list, to promote both you, Shander and Cass to my village as I've seen nothing to change my earlier vibes.

5 townies + ourself in one sitting? Good one!

Sooh · August 18, 2016

i think cass is town

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What changed?

me. i'm giving less weight to her reaching (in my estimation) to make reads, and i now understand that she didn't have meta on wifi.

You've been harping on nothing but that for at least 25 pages this game, and then you drop it just like that? (will read the rest of the pages to look for natural development, but oh boy this is sketchy.

Believer · August 18, 2016

@Sooh

I just noticed, you have me as slight town or something of the like.

Why is that?

Feel free, if you want, to wait with answering this until you've read the entire thread.

I haven't seen anything up until page 44 which has made me think you're scummy. I am pretty ready now, 15 pages after I made that short reads list, to promote both you, Shander and Cass to my village as I've seen nothing to change my earlier vibes.

5 townies + ourself in one sitting? Good one!

Alright then.

Nynaeve · August 18, 2016

also tick sounds genuine, though i don't know him. He seems like a breath of fresh air, and i'm a little nervous he's a wolf who has tmi, but my intuition is that's tinfoil.

as i said earlier, wifi seems town, but i'm not confident.

aj light town i guess.

zander i'd guess is town. for some reason i just believe that. he's a little erratic, but when he was questioning me earlier it was so very zander.

Tick LOL

Sooh · August 18, 2016

I AM CAUGHT UP!

Believer · August 18, 2016

I AM CAUGHT UP!

*applause*

Don't forget to catch your breath. :)

Sooh · August 18, 2016

I AM CAUGHT UP!

*applause*

Don't forget to catch your breath. :)

Lol

It wasn't the worst.

I guess our vote is still on you.

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[v]Sili[/v]

Nynaeve · August 18, 2016

Sooh: 1 Lenlo: 0

Believer · August 18, 2016

@Sooh

I just noticed, you have me as slight town or something of the like.

Why is that?

Feel free, if you want, to wait with answering this until you've read the entire thread.

I haven't seen anything up until page 44 which has made me think you're scummy. I am pretty ready now, 15 pages after I made that short reads list, to promote both you, Shander and Cass to my village as I've seen nothing to change my earlier vibes.

5 townies + ourself in one sitting? Good one!

Alright then.

Actually not alright then.

Why would you be town reading me? The way I've acted/posted so far has been nothing like what you've seen me before. It's not even like my private personality, which you should know.

Why is it not wierd that I'm being so over the top here?

I don't even think you've mentioned it so far.

Wildfire Sedai · August 18, 2016

1. Shander the DragonHawk (Shad_/Zander) - slight town - Has been investigating the "conversations" that have been happening ITT and Making comments on said investigations
2. Nynlia (Hallia/Nynaeve) - null - slight town - most posts are joke posts but there are some tangible posts in there along with a good reads list from hallia, though I still don't get why no one gets me, I'm town ofc.
3. Sili Quirrels - null - slight town - good dissemination of dice/believers conversation and interaction with cass.

4. Katiora - null - not enough to go on, imo.
5. Cass - null - slight town - interaction with Sili and questioning of other players.
6. Andrej - null - very slightly town :dry: - He's being very logical which could make him town or scum. I am going to give him the botd, for now.
7. Believer - null - slightly scummy - I know it might seem hypocritical cause I was pushing for Andrej's lynch but I had what I thought was absolute reasons for it :dry: imo, anyway He calls like 3 people scum, 2 without reasons and the 3rd with sketchy reasons
8. Darooh (Darthe/Sooh) - null - not enough info
9. Tiinker - null to slightly town - seriously questions cass and believer on their reasons for their cases against people.
10. Wildfire Sedai - TOWN QUEENIE
11. Lenlo - null - not enough info
12. Celeste - null - very slightly town - puts out there that she is a jokester (my word) in the joke phase of d1 and to not take it too seriously. I still don't know where to put her yet but leaning to very slightly town.
13. dicetosser1 - null - slightly town - questions believers case on celeste and helping people out ITT

DISCLAIMER: this reads list WILL CHANGE...heck it might have already changed :dry: idk It took me so long to do it. anyway just giving you fair warning. :tongue:

Hallia · August 18, 2016

Keep reading, Hallia. I've explained more in depth about Wifi.

No, I read it, I just...I don't get it. It's not you. <3

@Sooh

I just noticed, you have me as slight town or something of the like.

Why is that?

Feel free, if you want, to wait with answering this until you've read the entire thread.

Interesting.

@Sooh - Are you going to unvote then?

Sooh · August 18, 2016

Sooh: 1 Lenlo: 0

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