[Basic]Spirited Away Mafia - Game over mafia wins

Andrej · July 14, 2016

Regy's on the ball again.

seph · July 14, 2016

Go read the mafia qt where zander caught one of my teamates as town. He told us to bus, I tried to bail him out and he left the damn thread on me. I do not bus as a wolf usually unless I absolutely have to. AND 90% of the time is the only time I Think I ever got any suspicion towards me.

seph · July 14, 2016

Cory mentioned earlier that if BFG is a wolf that she is probably telling her teammates to bus and reap the benefits of being on the "right" side of interactions in a set up with no investigative roles. I know personally she has a good mind for Mafia even though she's modest about it.

So your argument that you put her in the lead really doesn't have much weight imo especially in consideration that there wasn't a counter wagon when you dropped that vote and then peaced out.

yup, were you even at eod?

Andrej · July 14, 2016

I was very much at EOD.

seph · July 14, 2016

I was very much at EOD.

cool, it was a bad time. the only reason we didn't lynch bfg was because everyone bailed off after you?

Bfg was the lynch candidate for most of d1. what gets me is you all are assuming bfg is mafia, and trying to tie me with her.

there are plenty of people who voted bfg, and then at the last minute bailed to lynch a townie which I had 0 influence in.

also cory remember one of the #1 things you told me how to read clov. I didnt really see any part of that yesterday

Regy Rusty · July 14, 2016

I never know how to feel about "I would NEVER do [x common thing]" statements

Do people really confine themselves to such strict mafia playbooks

Sili Quirrels · July 14, 2016

If cory is mafia this game I will just be extremely upset...

bfg,clov,aj,wildfire,sili I feel like the wolves are in this group tbh. If I was ever to swing on cory i would swap him on the list with sili

wut did we (clov aj and i) do to u?

Wildfire Sedai · July 14, 2016

alright so you think I'm scum cause I made A LOT of MISTAKES.....on my FIRST reads list....coming from a broken up reading of a 70 page thread (at that time) with continuous fights going on for pages? come on, lets be serious. Add that to the fact that I am relatively new to the game and don't know that you have to dot your i's and cross your t's or you will get questioned for it, majorly.

I tend to be in a hurry when posting because I don't want to get behind in the thread, hence I am not as careful as I guess I have to be.

Okay...now that I have more time, though I am still not fully read through (i've had a lot of interruptions today):

1. Sili Quirrels: town - he's not as aggressive as he was the last time we played together and he was mafia then. Also he has been itt more than in the other game, answering questions and making statements.

2. Wildfire Sedai (PrincessBFlea): town - tis me, I know I'm town.

3. Zalanna: town - hasn't been posting crazy amounts in thread (z) , they both have been answering questions afaict from what i have read so far

4. Andrej: town - has been asking questions and answering them when asked

5. Hallia: town/mafia as I was going to give a reason for her being town, it occured to me that she might just be on the edge of being mafia....low post count and not that much investigating going on.

6. Katiora: town/mafia - Kat was mafia in the last 2 games I was in with her, only 2 games to be exact. She has posted more here than she did then atp in game. However she "always" seems to get into a "ruckus" with someone during the game play, coincidence??

7. Cory: town/mafia - town because he takes the time to quote things and give explanations, mafia because of all the "ruckus" that was happening around him.

8. Clovdyx : mafia - am going to wait till after supper to do this one cause I can't remember off the top of my head why.

9. BFG: mafia - am going to wait till after supper to do this one cause I can't remember off the top of my head why.

10. Darthe: town/mafia - town because he is proactive in responding to posts about his alignment and asking/answering questions. Mafia because of low posts...when I was in HIS game he thanked me for being active but he's not active here...it just doesn't add up

11. Regy Rusty: town - asked/ answered questions in a good manner

12. Sirren: town - Kept her cool when she felt hurt and continued playing the game. Asks good questions and answers them.

13. Seph: town/mafia - I know I originally had him as town but then been thinking on it and he hasn't posted that much so thinking might be mafia "Lurking?" Just a thought....other than that though town for questions/answers.

RED: I apologize to Hallia. I read the thread in spurts and thought that she hadn't posted that much. It wasn't until after she took offense and I did an ISO of her that I realized my mistake. She has been one of hthe more numerous posters

GREEN: Clov: I got him mixed up with someone else. I don't feel the need to say who because it will bring up old hurts and I don't want to go there. new read: town for trying to keep the peace.

PURPLE: BFG: I am going to continue thinking mafia. It has been hard to do an ISO and keeping up with thread and yes I know it is way past supper time hallia... here I am just going on gut and what other players have said throughout the thread. Yes I know it is lazy of me but I have had all sorts of interruptions irl wrt keeping up with the thread that I feel it is needed.

I think you do need to say who, actually. Because between Regy/Sirren/Hallia/me, that's four very uninspiring (and at least three of them, and I strongly would guess all of them, are wrong) reads with very uninspiring reasons.

Townreading me for trying to keep the peace is a nice sentiment, but bad play, and easily comes from knowing I'm town.

red: How could they be wrong....Regy and Sirren are confirmed town....Hallia I wasn't sure about and are you saying your mafia? cause that's what it looks like to me.

bold: I was mixing clov up with cory. I thought cory was mafia to begin with because of all the fights going on around him but then when I continued reading and people started defending cory and I liked that he was asking questions or it seemed like he was. I would have to do an ISO to check it out.

Probably cause you're chasing ghosts. And yes, it had. Prior to that after catching up from my morning posts I saw it mentioned a few times about them being gone so it was definitely fresh on the brain. I remember one post from Darthe specifically where he said something along the lines of "what if we're all just being stupid and it's really the hydra" or something along those lines that stuck with me.

I did think Laine's posts last night were better than basically any of her previous content. But that alone wasn't enough for me to feel comfortable tabling them with everything else in mind in that situation where I had to decide.

BFG came back with good tone and didn't seem panicked at all about being wagoned. I made a split decision choice and stuck with it working in conjuction with other people who were around then, mainly Cory.

I'm not chasing ghosts, I'm chasing answers. You were more or less a catalyst in that lynch happening - one I made it very clear I would have accepted, but it wasn't anywhere near my top choices. I'm not blaming you. I'm not faulting you. I'm just trying to make sense of what happened. Three of the seven I'm great killing. One's confirmed town.

That leaves three, and you are the one that I by far have felt best about. With you being the first to move off onto somebody your posts don't seem like you would have necessarily defaulted to, I'm kind of left scratching my head.

I'm not arguing her point isn't fair. And yes, hence why I said contingency plans. She's the next one up after those other four imo.

That's not what your post suggests though. You said Hallia's alignment hinges on Wildfire's. That suggests that Wildfire flipping town tomorrow makes Hallia mafia, even though you still have enough people lower to fill out the mafia rand.

Okay let me be very clear for you then.

Wildfire being town makes it more likely Hallia is scum based on their developing interactions.

Better?

Like it's possible they are both town and Wildfire is just Dawnflowering and Hallia is rightfully countering her poor reads.

But that also means I'm exactly 100% correct on the wolf team being exactly BFG/Seph/Kat. While it's not impossible I am still going to consider that I'm not going 3/3 just cause and they are the next two people in my POE and currently at odds

Well, it fits better with what you said. I strongly disagree, but I can accept that I have more confidence in Hallia at this point than you do.

What is DAWNFLOWERING????? I've heard that said about me in other games and don't know what it means. At first I just thought I was playing like another player named dawnflower but now I am not so sure?

Clovdyx · July 14, 2016

why would I bus bfg and put her in the lead in a lynch. there were 2 or 3 better possibilities I think I would always take as a wolf. Push a different wagon, or start a new 1. If I was bussing bfg that would mean I would know zalanna was town. if that is the case what purpose did me switching over have? they were already lynched and I would take incredibly less scrutiny

Assuming I'm not missing any votes, this is where we were at 2:30

Cory - 2 - Zalanna, Darthe

Darthe - 3 - Hallia, Regy, Clov

Zalanna - 1 - Seph

BFG - 2 Cory, Sirren

Regy votes BFG at 2:55

Cory - 2 - Zalanna, Darthe

Darthe - 2 - Hallia, Clov

Zalanna - 1 - Seph

BFG - 3 - Cory, Sirren, Regy

Seph votes BFG at 3:07

Cory - 2 - Zalanna, Darthe

Darthe - 2 - Hallia, Clov

BFG - 4 - Cory, Sirren, Regy, Seph

Hallia unvotes 3:24

Cory - 2 - Zalanna, Darthe

Darthe - 1 - Clov

BFG - 4 - Cory, Sirren, Regy, Seph

Darthe votes Wildfire 3:29

AJ votes Zalanna at 4:38

Hallia votes Wildfire 4:48

Cory - 1 - Zalanna

Darthe - 1 - Clov

BFG - 4 - Cory, Sirren, Regy, Seph

Wildfire - 2 - Darthe, Hallia

Zalanna - 1 - AJ

Sili votes Cory at 5:03

Cory votes Zalanna at 5:25

Regy votes Zalanna at 5:37

Cory - 1 - Zalanna

Darthe - 1 - Clov

BFG - 2 - Sirren, Seph

Wildfire - 2 - Darthe, Hallia

Zalanna - 3 - AJ, Cory, Regy

Darthe votes Zalanna at 5:43 (dat bury?)

Sirren votes Zalanna at 5:44

BFG votes Zalanna at 5:45

Regy unvotes at 5:46

Cory unvotes at 5:47

Cory - 1 - Zalanna

Darthe - 1 - Clov

BFG - 2 - Sirren, Seph

Wildfire - 2 - Darthe, Hallia

Zalanna - 4 - AJ, Darthe, Sirren, BFG

Cory revotes Zalanna 5:52

Kat votes Zalanna at 5:55 (why?)

Seph hammers at 5:56

When you voted BFG, there was no indication in the thread that anybody was going to move off BFG, and she was already leading - with two confirmed townies and your strongest townread on her. Everything you've done up to that point made it impossible for you to vote Cory. Everything you've done up to that point made it impossible to vote Darthe. What, exactly, are those 2 or 3 better possibilities?

Literally the only valid point is that you didn't need to hammer Zander. But given that nobody has pushed you for doing so, I don't see how you could have looked any better for not doing it. All you did was save everybody three minutes.

Clovdyx · July 14, 2016

Facts and stuff.

Katiora · July 14, 2016

I never know how to feel about "I would NEVER do [x common thing]" statements

Do people really confine themselves to such strict mafia playbooks

I think people like to pretend they do lol

Sili Quirrels · July 14, 2016

i think it's pretty clear seph is not engaged in the game. i don't think he wants to bus in that situation but maybe i'm wrong.

no point in bussing someone if it get's you nowhere.

seph · July 14, 2016

If cory is mafia this game I will just be extremely upset...

bfg,clov,aj,wildfire,sili I feel like the wolves are in this group tbh. If I was ever to swing on cory i would swap him on the list with sili

wut did we (clov aj and i) do to u?

Is that the scum team?? why not mention wildfire lol.

or rather just mention yourself

Regy Rusty · July 14, 2016

I never know how to feel about "I would NEVER do [x common thing]" statements

Do people really confine themselves to such strict mafia playbooks

I think people like to pretend they do lol

That's the impression I get but I dunno if I've ever managed to remember one that ended up verifiably false to pull it out later

I'll make a note of it this time and we'll see, haha

seph · July 14, 2016

@ clov if I was mafia I wouldnt town read darthe off 4 of his posts. I trust him more than the rest of you sadly. (i say sadly because we disagree alot lol )
SO yea if bfg was my partner I promise you I Would have tried harder to save her

Regy Rusty · July 14, 2016

why would I bus bfg and put her in the lead in a lynch. there were 2 or 3 better possibilities I think I would always take as a wolf. Push a different wagon, or start a new 1. If I was bussing bfg that would mean I would know zalanna was town. if that is the case what purpose did me switching over have? they were already lynched and I would take incredibly less scrutiny

When you voted BFG, there was no indication in the thread that anybody was going to move off BFG, and she was already leading - with two confirmed townies and your strongest townread on her. Everything you've done up to that point made it impossible for you to vote Cory. Everything you've done up to that point made it impossible to vote Darthe. What, exactly, are those 2 or 3 better possibilities?

Literally the only valid point is that you didn't need to hammer Zander. But given that nobody has pushed you for doing so, I don't see how you could have looked any better for not doing it. All you did was save everybody three minutes.

Great, thorough post. Aligning it like this makes what I was getting at with that post last night all the clearer.

Sili Quirrels · July 14, 2016

If cory is mafia this game I will just be extremely upset...

bfg,clov,aj,wildfire,sili I feel like the wolves are in this group tbh. If I was ever to swing on cory i would swap him on the list with sili

wut did we (clov aj and i) do to u?

Is that the scum team?? why not mention wildfire lol.

or rather just mention yourself

cuz clov aj and i look like villagers. wildfire and bfg don't.

seph · July 14, 2016

why would I bus bfg and put her in the lead in a lynch. there were 2 or 3 better possibilities I think I would always take as a wolf. Push a different wagon, or start a new 1. If I was bussing bfg that would mean I would know zalanna was town. if that is the case what purpose did me switching over have? they were already lynched and I would take incredibly less scrutiny

When you voted BFG, there was no indication in the thread that anybody was going to move off BFG, and she was already leading - with two confirmed townies and your strongest townread on her. Everything you've done up to that point made it impossible for you to vote Cory. Everything you've done up to that point made it impossible to vote Darthe. What, exactly, are those 2 or 3 better possibilities?

Literally the only valid point is that you didn't need to hammer Zander. But given that nobody has pushed you for doing so, I don't see how you could have looked any better for not doing it. All you did was save everybody three minutes.

Great, thorough post. Aligning it like this makes what I was getting at with that post last night all the clearer.

I really don't care if town wins at this point. its been a crap show :(

seph · July 14, 2016

If cory is mafia this game I will just be extremely upset...

bfg,clov,aj,wildfire,sili I feel like the wolves are in this group tbh. If I was ever to swing on cory i would swap him on the list with sili

wut did we (clov aj and i) do to u?

Is that the scum team?? why not mention wildfire lol.

or rather just mention yourself

cuz clov aj and i look like villagers. wildfire and bfg don't.

you and clov seem overly concerned with how you look this game imo.

Regy Rusty · July 14, 2016

You should care if you're town

Why everybody gotta be so defeatist

Sili Quirrels · July 14, 2016

wildifre is posting reads and wots in a way that isn't necessarily helpful but does count as participation. that's my interpretation of what he means by he feels he needs to rush to post because he isn't thinking each read through - merely posting whatever reads occur to him after he passes a certain threshold of information.

which is wolfy considering there is no metric for quality.

Clovdyx · July 14, 2016

I never know how to feel about "I would NEVER do [x common thing]" statements

Do people really confine themselves to such strict mafia playbooks

I think people like to pretend they do lol

That's the impression I get but I dunno if I've ever managed to remember one that ended up verifiably false to pull it out later

I'll make a note of it this time and we'll see, haha

FWIW everything I've said I would never do as mafia, I would never do as mafia.

That list is...not so large :unsure:

@ clov if I was mafia I wouldnt town read darthe off 4 of his posts. I trust him more than the rest of you sadly. (i say sadly because we disagree alot lol )

SO yea if bfg was my partner I promise you I Would have tried harder to save her

Oh. Okay.

If cory is mafia this game I will just be extremely upset...

bfg,clov,aj,wildfire,sili I feel like the wolves are in this group tbh. If I was ever to swing on cory i would swap him on the list with sili

wut did we (clov aj and i) do to u?

Is that the scum team?? why not mention wildfire lol.

or rather just mention yourself

cuz clov aj and i look like villagers. wildfire and bfg don't.

Damn, I love this answer.

Regy Rusty · July 14, 2016

What's the point of playing mafia if everyone doesn't automatically believe you all the time, amirite kids

Sili Quirrels · July 14, 2016

If cory is mafia this game I will just be extremely upset...

bfg,clov,aj,wildfire,sili I feel like the wolves are in this group tbh. If I was ever to swing on cory i would swap him on the list with sili

wut did we (clov aj and i) do to u?

Is that the scum team?? why not mention wildfire lol.

or rather just mention yourself

cuz clov aj and i look like villagers. wildfire and bfg don't.

you and clov seem overly concerned with how you look this game imo.

does he? i didn't realize.

me though, i can see where you get that impression. but i'm obviously town so i don't care what you say about me. still obvious town.

seph · July 14, 2016

What's the point of playing mafia if everyone doesn't automatically believe you all the time, amirite kids

Lol no 1 ever trusts me so i wouldn't know that feeling

[Basic]Spirited Away Mafia - Game over mafia wins

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