[Basic]Spirited Away Mafia - Game over mafia wins

[Cory Caboose]

Regy has become my spirit animal this game.

 

If I could nuke three slots it would be BFG/Seph/WiFi and I don't think it's even close.

 

I think that gets us most of the way there. If it doesn't we are in trouble

[Katiora]

What caused the 180 exactly?

Ehhh I don't know. Just re-reading your ISO you don't seem like yourself... could be something besides you being mafia but I don't think so. I couold be wrong. I'm definitely for going after BFG or WIFI first and giving you time to flesh out and for me to feel better about you, it's just of the "unconfirmed" people you seem more wrong than right... and I could definitely be wrong about wifi.. she's a bit ditzy sometimes (no offense wifi you just seem like one of my blonde friends sometimes lol) I could definitely see a BFG, Seph, Hallia team if Wifi is not though. I really don't know though... some of this just seems too easy

[Andrej]

Gm gm.

[Regy Rusty]

As I've said before if there's a DEEP WOLF this game, Hallia's my top pick so I see where you're coming from there. We need to see people start lynching mafia first though before I'm willing to go those routes.

 

I figure the chance we can get at least two next is pretty good and then we should have time to reevaluate if the third is hidden among the "clears".

 

Or we could just be wrong and bad but I feel like we're not. We'll see!

 

Definitely feel free to keep poking at people though it's all good.

[Cory Caboose]

I think Kat's a villager

 

Some of it because I feel this is her town game whether some of us like it or not

 

Some of it because I really think Seph's a wolf and if he is, he spewed Kat town hard

[Clovdyx]

 

 

*tries to attempt to stop tinfoiling* 

 

 

The indiscrepancies with BFG that Cory has brought up is a good catch. I didn't even notice it yesterday when I was trying to keep caught up. It is weird that she was "catching up" and at the end of phase but wasn't really trying to solve and find a good target... she was just trying to push off onto ANYONE else. Which is a pretty scummy thing to do.

 

 

I'm just having a hard time wrapping my  head around this game. I keep trying to build a town base that I can listen to and rely on, because that's what I need. That's on reason why it takes so long for me to get going... l need someone I can trust(ish) to be able to bounce my ideas off of. And  I don't know if I can do that with anyone I feel fairly sure of at this point. 

 

Honestly right now I'm thinking BFG and Wifi... and Maybe Seph but I don't know about him. He swung a lot on me yesterday and I'm not sure how I feel about it. 

 

I'm also annoyed at everyone putting me in their bottom four. 2 of you I think should be able to read me better than this and your uncertainty makes me doubt your villagerness. One much more than the other. 

 

I keep seeing where people are "giving me time" but they still have me in the bottom. The thing is, If I'm not a viable target (because I'm not) who is? 

 

Honestly, I'm very much afraid that Hallia isn't town. And it could be more empty tinfoiling but, she's sucking at reading me, she's sucked at reading Zander... That's not very Hallia of her she usually picks us up better than that. And she could have been like me. I had a hard time reading Zander, but I blame that on the Lainey factor... I'm horrible at reading lainey and almost always read her as mafia, especially when she's town. Idk... I'm just really uncomfortable with her and honestly think it could be a BFG, Wifi, Hallia scum team. 

 

I'm pretty sure you can trust at least Regy and Sirren.  Call it a hunch.

 

And you can say you're annoyed that people have you in the bottom, but look at this objectively.  Even removing the two confirmed townies from it, should you be above any of these people?

 

-Me

-AJ

-Cory

-Sili

-Darthe

 

Literally the only person with less posts than you is Wildfire.  You can say you expect certain people to read you well (who?), but I don't see how you can expect anybody to read you one way or another when you have less than 50 posts in a 2,400 post thread.  Almost a quarter of your posts have came in the first two hours of the game.

 

Anybody who has you as their #1 scumread would probably be wrong to do so, but anybody who has you as a particularly strong townread is going to look really bad at this point.  

 

 

 

Honestly I think there's a good possibility that there is at least 1 wolf in those 5. If I had to choose one I would say Darthe, but ya'll seem all gung ho on each other. Ya'll keep building up this 5 group like ya'll are all mod cleared or something but the thing is I KNOW I'm town. without a shadow of a doubt I know. And I guess that's what is worrying me the most. Ya'll have cleared all these people and I KNOW I'm not scum but I don't know who to tell you to look at because all the people who have made me uneasy ya'll are clearing... on D1... from drama or the clearing up of said drama. I'm just lost. 

 

and Hallia and AJ should be pretty darn good at reading me by now. Hallia I've played with almost every game I've played and until recently she had a good streak of knowing me. 

 

And clov you know I don't post a lot especially D1. Heck I don't post alot at all... I mean look at my post count for 90s mafia or stick figures and I made it to the end of both games and had super low post counts... I'm just not a big poster and honestly every time I've posted I've felt attacked by one person or another. First it was lainey and then Sili so I haven't had a lot of encouragement to post. 

 

 

I also think if there's one wolf in that list.  And I think if there's MORE than one wolf in that list, town basically has no shot.  I'm pretty sure that's not the case because I know I'm town, and I don't see Cory/Darthe or Cory/Sili as possibilities.  He could be paired with AJ, as could either of the other two, but AJ is the one of them who I feel best about on the strength of game solving content.  Sili is probably the one most likely to be town, but a lot of that has less to do with his in game impact and more with his approach.  

 

I don't feel I've acted like we're all mod cleared.  I don't feel ANY of us are really doing that, save maybe Cory.  I feel all of us are probably more comfortable with one another than several other players, but at the same time...I feel we've earned that.  Unless you're prepared to argue that any of us have been particularly scummy, I don't see how you justify lynching loud null over quiet null, given it's a hell of a lot harder to hide being mafia in 400 posts than 40.  

 

You say we're clearing everyone who has made you uneasy.  My priority lynch list at this point is Wildfire, Seph, and BFG.  That means there's no validity to that statement as it relates to me, and I feel that at least the majority of people have a similar (if not exactly the same) three person team right now.  Really the only part of it that's remotely true is I've got Hallia near the top of my townreads, if not THE top.  I read her pretty well, and I can't say it's impossible she's mafia, but I'd say it's improbable.

 

 

Also, I've played one game with you.  I don't expect you're ever going to be a particularly large thread leader (especially in a game that had Zander, Cory, Sili, and myself in it), but I think there's a considerable contrast between you here and in 90's music.  When I've been in the thread this game, you've either been completely out of it or basically dropped a reads list and that was it.  In 90's Music, you did something with it.  You pushed.  You explained.  Even when you got challenged on things, it seemed like you had enough confidence in your reads to not back down - including when I challenged you on something (such as having Besie and Wish as teammates).  

[seph]

 

 

Kat, you can talk to me or Regy.

It's not that I can't trust you as not mafia... it's that I don't know if I can trust your opinions. The thing with Zander and the reason why I sheep zander most of the time once I feel that he's town is because he's good at finding wolves when he's on his game. I've only seen you as mafia so I don't know about you, and i don't know Regy at all lol. Hallia is also usually pretty good at figuring people out, but she's not doing so great this game. I also don't know how ya'll will take some of my stuff because I can be a hardcore tinfoiler lol... and some people see that as scummish, which is one reason I've been quiet this game. That and the whole thing that every time I've come in the thread and tried to get involved I've felt like I've been attacked for stuff people are viewing as scummy I said at the beginning of the thread that everyone took out of context and I feel that everyone overlooked my later content they said they were looking for. 

 

 

Well why don't you try me then?

 

I think lynching BFG/Seph/Wildfire/You has a very decent chance of catching all three scum, and I'm almost positive that it will catch at least two of them.

 

Am I wrong? If so, who am I writing off that I shouldn't be?

 

I have some ideas myself of how I'd answer that question but I'm curious what yours would be.

 

I am curious as to how you and cory think I am EVER m/m with bfg lol.

 

[Regy Rusty]

To show you I'm genuinely giving due consideration to your point:

 

Hallia's vote pattern definitely fits the possibility of third scum with BFG and Seph.

 

She went for Sili with me first, then Darthe when people (including me) were musing over him. Then near the end of the phase when we were focused on BFG she went for Wifi instead.

 

First two I mostly think are town now, Wifi I think might be mafia. But if he's not? Yeah this vote pattern is possible to come from mafia trying to avoid focusing on her partners.

 

Don't think it's the most likely scenario especially based on her town and engagement with the game, but I'm not gonna say it's impossible.

[Cory Caboose]

Seph/BFG is my priority right now

 

WiFi belongs in that group but I have zero clue how to read her and she's probably have to be resolved at some point but I don't have any feel on her beyond = rand and I wouldn't be shocked if she flipped villager

 

I would be shocked if BFG or Seph flipped villager.

[seph]

I just don't really feel into this game, most of the time I just feel discouraged from posting and would rather run about catching pokemon lol. 

I won't be posting anything really until day comes fyi, but ill be around. I mostly skimmed to catch up but my feeling havent changed really.

[Regy Rusty]

 

 

 

Kat, you can talk to me or Regy.

It's not that I can't trust you as not mafia... it's that I don't know if I can trust your opinions. The thing with Zander and the reason why I sheep zander most of the time once I feel that he's town is because he's good at finding wolves when he's on his game. I've only seen you as mafia so I don't know about you, and i don't know Regy at all lol. Hallia is also usually pretty good at figuring people out, but she's not doing so great this game. I also don't know how ya'll will take some of my stuff because I can be a hardcore tinfoiler lol... and some people see that as scummish, which is one reason I've been quiet this game. That and the whole thing that every time I've come in the thread and tried to get involved I've felt like I've been attacked for stuff people are viewing as scummy I said at the beginning of the thread that everyone took out of context and I feel that everyone overlooked my later content they said they were looking for. 

 

 

Well why don't you try me then?

 

I think lynching BFG/Seph/Wildfire/You has a very decent chance of catching all three scum, and I'm almost positive that it will catch at least two of them.

 

Am I wrong? If so, who am I writing off that I shouldn't be?

 

I have some ideas myself of how I'd answer that question but I'm curious what yours would be.

 

I am curious as to how you and cory think I am EVER m/m with bfg lol.

 

 

 

Well why don't you tell me what makes you think it's an impossibility?

 

I established my reasoning last night and I'll be happy to restate it but I'm curious about your argument first.

[seph]

Seph/BFG is my priority right now

 

WiFi belongs in that group but I have zero clue how to read her and she's probably have to be resolved at some point but I don't have any feel on her beyond = rand and I wouldn't be shocked if she flipped villager

 

I would be shocked if BFG or Seph flipped villager.

wow

[Clovdyx]

I think Kat's a villager

 

Some of it because I feel this is her town game whether some of us like it or not

 

Some of it because I really think Seph's a wolf and if he is, he spewed Kat town hard

 

I think Kat is more likely to be town than the three people you want to nuke.  I think if that nuclear strike doesn't end the game, she's probably always going to be where I turn, unless somehow I haven't resolved you/Darthe.

[Regy Rusty]

I just don't really feel into this game, most of the time I just feel discouraged from posting and would rather run about catching pokemon lol. 

 

I won't be posting anything really until day comes fyi, but ill be around. I mostly skimmed to catch up but my feeling havent changed really.

 

Aw don't give me that I need to talk to you now while I'm still alive lol

[Cory Caboose]

 

Seph/BFG is my priority right now

WiFi belongs in that group but I have zero clue how to read her and she's probably have to be resolved at some point but I don't have any feel on her beyond = rand and I wouldn't be shocked if she flipped villager

I would be shocked if BFG or Seph flipped villager.

 

wow

much surprise, very shock?

[Andrej]

Kat I think I've handled you pretty reasonably so far. I didn't attack you when Laine did, if anything I defended you some. I haven't really called you out on anything except that I expect you to get more into the game. Like it's been said already, you're towards the bottom because I have better reads elsewhere.

 

And yes, while we've played closely in our last two games together we were also aware of each other's alignments, shared a QT and weren't townies. So for me this could be my first legitimate time seeing you operate as a townie from an uninformed perspective.

[seph]

why would I bus bfg and put her in the lead in a lynch. there were 2 or 3 better possibilities I think I would always take as a wolf. Push a different wagon, or start a new 1. If I was bussing bfg that would mean I would know zalanna was town. if that is the case what purpose did me switching over have? they were already lynched and I would take incredibly less scrutiny 

[Clovdyx]

Besides obviously Seph and I guess BFG, does ANYBODY have a reason to think Seph/BFG shouldn't be teammates?

[Clovdyx]

why would I bus bfg and put her in the lead in a lynch. there were 2 or 3 better possibilities I think I would always take as a wolf. Push a different wagon, or start a new 1. If I was bussing bfg that would mean I would know zalanna was town. if that is the case what purpose did me switching over have? they were already lynched and I would take incredibly less scrutiny 

 

Unless I'm missing something, I don't think you've gotten any scrutiny for your vote.

[seph]

 

 

Seph/BFG is my priority right now

WiFi belongs in that group but I have zero clue how to read her and she's probably have to be resolved at some point but I don't have any feel on her beyond = rand and I wouldn't be shocked if she flipped villager

I would be shocked if BFG or Seph flipped villager.

wow

much surprise, very shock?

 

pretty much. I know im not on my A game, but that is a pretty big swing from day 1.

[seph]

 

why would I bus bfg and put her in the lead in a lynch. there were 2 or 3 better possibilities I think I would always take as a wolf. Push a different wagon, or start a new 1. If I was bussing bfg that would mean I would know zalanna was town. if that is the case what purpose did me switching over have? they were already lynched and I would take incredibly less scrutiny 

 

Unless I'm missing something, I don't think you've gotten any scrutiny for your vote.

 

a few have mentioned it but nothing serious. I was just trying to make a point out of it. there was always the possibility

[Cory Caboose]

i do not accept "but that means i bussed!" as a counter as to why you have not been villagery this game.

 

i was blinded d1 because i didn't feel like MAKING more enemies so i never really considerd your slot honestly

 

but wolves bus literally all the time and i can think of several scenarios where bfg thought i wasn't going to back down and even encouraged her team to bus

 

your vote had little to do with the pressure on her - which originated from me (who, guess what, even from the gutter was still was leading the day's lynch) and confirmed town regy. threadflow is far more important than vote timing.

[Regy Rusty]

 

If BFG is a wolf against me she ~always encourages her bros to bus her.

 

Mmmm as the fourth vote then that would line up

 

And both stuck around for the end phase to switch if another possibility opened up

 

 

We scrutinized it a little

[seph]

If cory is mafia this game I will just be extremely upset...

bfg,clov,aj,wildfire,sili  I feel like the wolves are in this group tbh. If I was ever to swing on cory i would swap him on the list with sili

[Andrej]

Cory mentioned earlier that if BFG is a wolf that she is probably telling her teammates to bus and reap the benefits of being on the "right" side of interactions in a set up with no investigative roles. I know personally she has a good mind for Mafia even though she's modest about it.

 

So your argument that you put her in the lead really doesn't have much weight imo especially in consideration that there wasn't a counter wagon when you dropped that vote and then peaced out.