[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[keyholder21]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:29 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:23 PM, keyholder21 said:

Wish and Stork will now be called: Wistork.  

oh lol great

 

thx

 

 

Hey, that's one of the ones you suggested (in the sign up thread) . 

[Sili Quirrels]

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Lenlo - I don't know... I just haven't had a good feel for Lenlo all game.. Slightly defensive. though partially understandable. Just... I don't know.. I just get an off feel from him... Nothing that just makes me say "oh definitely scum" but I have a hard time finding stuff that makes you look town. sometimes it seems like you're just stirring the confusion.

 

=|

 

I'm not sure what my take away is supposed to be yo

[Sili Quirrels]

you clear me cause i stir the pot and draw attention to myself. you shade len cause he makes things confusing, but in a different way?

[Sili Quirrels]

Although I have been known to put players on ignore when I'm annoyed enough.

 

Usually it's pretend though cause I always open up their posts to read them.

[Katiora]

You seem like a town jumping at everything trying to figure stuff out. He seems like someone trying to hide something and so he stirs up a big crap to make you look bad... does that make more sense? 

[Katiora]

But if you want me to I can move you down on my list if you think you're not towny  

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:42 PM, Katiora said:

You seem like a town jumping at everything trying to figure stuff out. He seems like someone trying to hide something and so he stirs up a big crap to make you look bad... does that make more sense? 

its what i think too, if he's a wolf anyway.

 

if he's town... well this is some sort of tunnel. i mean sometimes a villager get's really emotional and hurt inside and it's cyclical. i don't see a reason for len to be this way, but i'm trying to be open minded.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:43 PM, Katiora said:

But if you want me to I can move you down on my list if you think you're not towny

do what you feel is best. idk. hopefully i can read you correctly at the end of the day.

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:14 AM, Clovdyx said:

Zander, I take back what I said earlier about you being the best candidate among of the active players.  I went back and actually looked in depth at the posts I had skimmed over this morning, and I don't really feel that different about you.  What is different is Lenlo was much more active than I had given him credit for.  I had seen him posting back and forth with Sili, but skimming didn't do justice to what he had contributed.

 

Lenlo, I now understand your earlier question.  I DO maintain my position that there was a significant gap in contribution between you and Zander.  But I'll admit this, you had done far more than I realized.

 

So just so Im understanding you find me Scummy still but Lenlo more so?

 

Can you like bullet point the reasons you think I am please?

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:24 AM, Clovdyx said:

I still don't feel better about Lenlo than I did before, though.  His defense against Sili basically boils down to the fact that Lenlo didn't say anybody was scummy, verbatim.  He's not wrong...but I don't see why Sili SHOULDN'T have read into Lenlo's post that way.  Saying somebody 'seems off' has a certain connotation to it.  It's no different than saying somebody 'sounds good'.  

 

So again, if Lenlo honestly WASN'T trying to imply a...lack of towniness?... he made that catch up post to contribute nothing.

 

And the entire time he was going back and forth with Sili over the same points, he still didn't really give any opinions that MATTER.  Even when he was saying Sili seemed like an over-committed wolf, Lenlo still treated him like he knew Sili was town.

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:35 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:33 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

I don't want to be stuck here for another 3 hours trying to communicate with a wolf when the wolf is intent on not understanding anything.

 

Quit it with the narrative. Im trying to move away from our argument because we both know the other wont budge. Fine.

 

So help me figure out everyone else. If im really a wolf, talking about other people will help you ferret them out. If im town it will give you more to go on in the future. Your not getting a lynch with just you so until other people weigh in and add something new, talk about other reads.

 

 

How do you make the red statement and the blue statements to/about the same person?

 

This feels like grasping to make something fit/work Chris.

 

IMO- The red states he ISNT doing it and the blue reads hes trying to get him to/

 

Am I missing something?

[Hallia]

I'm also confused that Laine was surprised I didn't just tell them to stfu. Like, when has that ever been something I would do?

[Hallia]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:56 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:24 AM, Clovdyx said:

I still don't feel better about Lenlo than I did before, though. His defense against Sili basically boils down to the fact that Lenlo didn't say anybody was scummy, verbatim. He's not wrong...but I don't see why Sili SHOULDN'T have read into Lenlo's post that way. Saying somebody 'seems off' has a certain connotation to it. It's no different than saying somebody 'sounds good'.

 

So again, if Lenlo honestly WASN'T trying to imply a...lack of towniness?... he made that catch up post to contribute nothing.

 

And the entire time he was going back and forth with Sili over the same points, he still didn't really give any opinions that MATTER. Even when he was saying Sili seemed like an over-committed wolf, Lenlo still treated him like he knew Sili was town.

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:35 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:33 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

I don't want to be stuck here for another 3 hours trying to communicate with a wolf when the wolf is intent on not understanding anything.

Quit it with the narrative. Im trying to move away from our argument because we both know the other wont budge. Fine.

 

So help me figure out everyone else. If im really a wolf, talking about other people will help you ferret them out. If im town it will give you more to go on in the future. Your not getting a lynch with just you so until other people weigh in and add something new, talk about other reads.

How do you make the red statement and the blue statements to/about the same person?

This feels like grasping to make something fit/work Chris.

 

IMO- The red states he ISNT doing it and the blue reads hes trying to get him to/

 

Am I missing something?

I disagree or at least think you might be missing something. It comes off to me like he's frustrated but still trying to work with him.

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 6:15 AM, Clovdyx said:

Up through page 40...

 

-Hallia looks kind of good for her role in the Sili-Lenlo thing.  I already felt pretty good about her, but she sounded like she really didn't want it continuing, and I'm not sure she would call it off even if she had a dog in the fight.  

 

-Mixed feelings on Wishtree.  Tone wasn't so great on her earlier posts, and the rating intro's thing was really weird to me.  I have a hard time imaging any experienced scum would be the least bit concerned after posting, just on the premise of the Hallia/Thane's joke, so giving BFG a town lean for that is bad.  I had no issue with the way she approached Zander, and her explanation for her scumreading him makes a lot of sense FOR HER.

 

Zander is 100% correct when he says the things she's mentioning are null tells.  If you're trying to figure out Zander's alignment based on the fact he's joking or spamming, or basically clearing certain people for literally nothing, you're wrong.  

 

But for someone with ~limited experience with Zander and only knows him as mafia, it's not a huge leap for her to associate what she's seen with his scum game.  

 

-Not surprised Zander basically pushed her back, and I really don't care about that.  But for being a meta heavy player, I don't understand how Zander seemingly doesn't get where she's coming from.  Like I said, anybody that knows his town game trying to push that way should almost be strung up on principle, but unless he's prepared to argue that she OUGHT to know his town game that doesn't apply.  

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:39 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:34 PM, wish-tree said:

Do you not see what I'm saying?

 

you've been ticking my boxes for all the things I know of your scum meta

 

You haven't been not ticking them, therefore I had a scum lean on you that I'm trying to reevaluate and develop, except you're so focused on the part that it doesn't seem to be right that you're ignoring the fact that it is an EARLY READ AND THEREFORE SUBJECT TO CHANGE

 

I know but Im questioning them and telling you they are Null.

 

Why are you whining when you asked for this???

 

Makes no sense to me at all.

 

 

That's not wrong, but I have to think Zander would understand why "Trust me, that thing your pushing me for is null" isn't necessarily being trusted right off the bat....

 

 

The back and forth with BFG is painful.  I don't even know if it's scummy.  I just know I want to stab myself in the eye with a screwdriver for having read it.

 

I didnt say I didnt get where she was coming from I was telling her the things she said I was Scummy for were NULL as others have mentioned besides myself.

 

Ya I mean Id prolly straight out LIE about my tells as Scum!Zander on my home site in game where like 85% of the fields played NUMEROUS games with me....

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:36 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 10:58 PM, BFG said:

Page 30 is interesting in as much as I 'understand' and mostly 'agree' with everything Chris says, I just don't know if I believe it 

 

It's all small stuff, but Lenlo points out and disagrees with early reads every game, the bigger point that Lenlo didn't really say anything in his catch up post is true, but :pulls face:

 

I need the bigger picture to read Chris though 

 

In addition to your height, and your ability to turn people into stone with your hair, your consistency is one of your most endearing traits.

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 11:07 PM, BFG said:

 

Can you explain the difference between a townie not liking being called a wolf and mafia not liking it and what in his posts indicates the latter?

 

To piggyback of this, Darthe - why do you find it odd that Seph didn't like being called mafia?  Without going back to check the specific reactions, I feel that's par for the course for just about everyone.

 

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 12:35 AM, dicetosser1 said:

so lets see

 

theres a comment in there on reading of a player   zander in fact   and you say its not worth mentioning

 

then BFG is doing work asking questions of players    this is ure comment Id already asked her the question and this isnt answering it. Nothing worth mentioning    not sure what the first bit has to do with that quote but again not worth mentioning

 

then zander answers bfg but thats just more hamemring and not worth mentioning

 

then i continue to answer BFGs follow up  and u have no idea what its in reference too  so i assume u are skimming or only looking at things regarding you   but it not worth mentioning again

 

then u miss a point  ok fair enuff 

 

 

 

2nd set

 

finally one worth mentioning that you apparently already mentioned

 

more talk about how people read someone but not worth mentioning again

 

you missed another of clovs posts

 

 

 

So  if peoples comments about how they read and to an extent what they are reading a person are not worth mentioning what IS worth mentioning iyo??

 

I find it interesting that the two things you missed both happen to be clovs. I assume they are worth mentioning as you didnt say they werent.

 

 

I love the bolded part at the bottom.

 

Not sure where you're going with the very bottom, Dice, though maybe I can venture a guess.  Can you explain it for me?

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 12:55 AM, BFG said:

And I just had an essay on Zander which I lost and I don't think I can write it out in full now, so you get the high lights which will probably be easier to read anyway

 

Disagree with his meta assessment on Niniel (Dice what's your read on her at the moment?)

 

Hate that he danced around calling me scummy at the start of our arguments, his refusal to state that he thought I was trying to distance from Seph until After our argument today when I asked several times yesterday feels really slimy BUT our actual arguments felt 'honest'

 

I hate his apparent lack of actually evaluating any of my responses to his arguments

 

Zander and I argue a lot as town

 

His argument with wish-tree reads pretty well from his side, still cautious on hers. He acknowledges that she doesn't have the meta to know that a lot of the things she associates with mafia him are null as he does them as town as well, yet that doesn't really affect his read.

 

His focus on multiple people is probably a good look, but I need to see how it develops.

 

Early posts were focusing on 'weird' things and seemed like noise for the sake of it, his more recent stuff reads better, but comes after a couple of people have pointed this out already.

 

Can't remember the rest right now

 

TLDR: /eh???

 

I agree with most of this post, but I think your point regarding his approach to wishtree is off for those very reasons.  Zander is almost an exclusively meta-reliant player, maybe the most reliant on it on the site.  I would expect that he would get where she's coming from, since it's not like she can exactly assign him town points for it if she's never seem him do these things as town.  

 

Her meta for him is nearly useless, but that doesn't mean it's inherently scummy.  

 

What's your overall take on him now?

 

 

 

True

 

Again this MAKES 0 SENSE irt me.  If someone is sussing me for stuff thats Null...you think Town!Zander, hell even Scum!Zander for the matter is just gonna be like oh no thats cool  no worries....

 

I think you know me better then this brother.

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:41 AM, Clovdyx said:

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

I'd be fine with a lynch Niniel or Zander at this point too, but the disconnect between what Lenlo claims to be thinking and what he's saying just doesn't seem natural.  It's not exactly backtracking, because he didn't take a stance, but it seems like he's twisting his own words to mean something different (or nothing?).  Even now, I have no idea where he's at with Sili, and a lot of what he said makes me think he ought to be actively PUSHING Sili.  

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 6:01 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:24 AM, Clovdyx said:

I still don't feel better about Lenlo than I did before, though.  His defense against Sili basically boils down to the fact that Lenlo didn't say anybody was scummy, verbatim.  He's not wrong...but I don't see why Sili SHOULDN'T have read into Lenlo's post that way.  Saying somebody 'seems off' has a certain connotation to it.  It's no different than saying somebody 'sounds good'.  

 

So again, if Lenlo honestly WASN'T trying to imply a...lack of towniness?... he made that catch up post to contribute nothing.

 

And the entire time he was going back and forth with Sili over the same points, he still didn't really give any opinions that MATTER.  Even when he was saying Sili seemed like an over-committed wolf, Lenlo still treated him like he knew Sili was town.

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:35 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:33 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

I don't want to be stuck here for another 3 hours trying to communicate with a wolf when the wolf is intent on not understanding anything.

 

Quit it with the narrative. Im trying to move away from our argument because we both know the other wont budge. Fine.

 

So help me figure out everyone else. If im really a wolf, talking about other people will help you ferret them out. If im town it will give you more to go on in the future. Your not getting a lynch with just you so until other people weigh in and add something new, talk about other reads.

 

 

How do you make the red statement and the blue statements to/about the same person?

Easy? I feel that he over comitted, either tunneling or what have you can be done as either alignment, and as such was refusing to talk to me. I recognized that the argument was going nowhere because neither of us were budging. Seeing that and that Sili was still around, I wanted to get his thoughts on other people. I dont understand the disconnect between red and blue.

 

At that point in the conversation all Sili was doing was calling me a wolf, hes a wolf, lynch the wolf, never unvoting, throw him in a hole. That kind of talk just isnt helpful. It doesnt move the game or anything forward. So I tried to get him to talk about something else because I wanted the game to move forward. I wanted to see if he was a towny tunneling me hard for stupid reasons or a wolf who went to deep and knew he couldnt back out. I didnt act like I knew he was town, I acted like I didnt know his alignment and was trying to figure it out.

 

As for the catchup post, I meant to spoiler it. It was mostly to let people know id caught up, here were some small things I noticed. Nothing was particularly wolfy or towny in the early posts imo. Atleast not on their own.

 

Also my defense against Sili is that hes twisting things, stretching things, saying I said things I didnt or phrasing them in ways that werent what I meant. Sili never even tried to understand anything he just shut me down over and over and said I am a wolf. I had to fight him tooth and nail to get him to explain anything in any sort of detail, cause Sili doesnt like explaining anything to us plebeians.

 

 

The disconnect is the red seems to suggest it was deliberate.  You're right that somebody can tunnel as either alignment, but I have never seen a townie say "ah, well, I've come this far - I have no choice but to lynch him, even though I think he's town."  If he's feeling trapped in a read, it basically means he has to be mafia.

 

And if you felt that way, it wouldn't be an issue.  But if you felt that way, why would you expect him to help you figure other people out?  I think Mafia!Sili - and probably anybody - is just going to sit and continue to attack the person they've decided they have to lynch, not try to offer the person a way out.

 

You say youre also fine wirh a Nina or Zander lynch.

 

Now we all know I have 0 problem bussing a teammate but is that Scum!Nina's MO.

 

Im assuming atp were your choice for the Scum team?

[Darthe]

Kat I dont really remember our past last games. Are you usually so verbose? Also where is your meta coming from on people including myself?

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:54 AM, alannalynn said:

P 25-26ish Sili/Lenlo back and forth is boring and feels unimportant. I still feel Sili is town, he seems very loose and Sili-like, Lenlo is nullish leaning scum, but always starts that way; I'm not sure I understand why this exchange is supposed to be important or life changing (shrug)

 

I like that Kat is trying to supply some reads despite thread length

 

I really wish people would trim their multiquotes

 

#528 @anyone is Lenlo likely be less... instigating(?) as scum? Zander can't answer this because they have a feud and it wouldn't help. Want unbiased opinion.

 

#534 Hally is pinging becasue I feel like Sili and Lenlo are having a serious conversation and she's still joking. @Hally what are your thoughts on that exchange they were having in the latter 20s pages? I see you say that they were nitpicking, do you think they're v/v? If so, why not diffuse the situation (which was largely unhelpful, imo) rather than ignore it and let it happen?

 

I wouldn't mind pressure on Lenlo, his posts this game are largely useless to me. A summary post and an argument with Sili about semantics. For example, #586 pings because he's steering Sili in a bad light when Sili HAS been explaining himself, in Sili-fashion but Lenlo isn't conceding any points, instead he's doing things like this.

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

Agree with Zander re: Nini on #575

 

#579 Zander you asked if I had questions for you currently: no, I'm watching atm, sorry if it seems like I'm not interacting directly with you much, I'm less biased if I just pay attention.

re: expanding my points on Lenlo: I posted some points above. As for my first catch up post (I swear I wont always be in catch up mode), I said that Lenlo's first post did nothing for me and that he was losing points. The first post was that commentary "wot", the other posts that bothered me are spoiled below:

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  On 6/6/2016 at 1:25 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 1:24 AM, seph said:

lenlo did you get anything from the catchup post or not?

regardless its a decent rundown

Your off, Zander sees what I see, Sili is off, Hallia is different, Laine is absent, BFG has weird reasoning.

 

This post (I thought there was more that bothered me, apparently not).

 

Seph is off: how? why? I don't get this point. In his commentary he said that one of Seph's posts was weird but doesn't give any more detail or other posts that would explain why he thinks Seph is off. Personally, I think Seph is fine.

 

Agreeing with Zander? lol when pigs fly

 

Sili is off: I disagree

 

Hally is different: She's really lighthearted this game but she's been that before. Also, different from what?

 

I'm absent. Okay. So were Katoria, Liz, Lily, etc. Why am I being called out?

 

BFG weird reasoning. Explique?

 

I hate this post because it's so friggen vague and tells me nothing. weird, different, off =/= scum or town or any kind of reads that I can use to gauge Lenlo's alignment. Additionally, I find that when Lenlo is town, I agree with him. That I'm not agreeing with his conclusions here worries me.

 

In response to #580, Zander, I don't know yet.

 

@Zander: talk to me about Katoria town meta? #594

 

//pausing top of 31

 

I dont know w/e I did to Lenlo to warrant this.....lololololololol

 

Disagree with your Hallia read atp.  Hallia becomes super obv as the game progresses.

 

Is your vote mostly a pressure vote on Len?

 

I read you in part the opposite way.  I like this post and most if not all your other ones but I like our real time interactions.

 

I only have Town Meta with her but long wordy posts, paranoia, trying to find someone to trust and a fair bit of reads is mostly what I equate with Town!Kat.

[Katiora]

  On 6/7/2016 at 6:16 PM, Darthe said:

Kat I dont really remember our past last games. Are you usually so verbose? Also where is your meta coming from on people including myself?

 

Looked back to double check... no meta on you... i'm just saying you're not posting... that's an observation... and i find it slightly scummy...

 

and yes... i'm wordy and post long posts but normally not very many... true story...  

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:30 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

 

Zander, on 07 Jun 2016 - 02:46 AM, said:

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:46 PM, Zander said:

 

dicetosser1, on 06 Jun 2016 - 7:11 PM, said:

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:11 AM, dicetosser1 said:

BFG  whats weirding you out?  that i didnt give a definite answer Zander is town/mafia?  I do have to take time to make a read sometimes you know and he has not been super obvious town zander that i pick up on 2 posts or so

 

How has BFG been super obv Town then iyo?

 

Youve popped into threads and gave me pretty quick and easy Town reads before so its not all that common for you to need that much time to read me correctly.

 

 

i think shes pretty obvious yeah.  that early post swung it for me  her coming in early questioning sili  the tone the question   pure town BFG

 

as for you  i do dop that somethime  but sometimes u ARNT clear early  and i havent cleared u yet so deal with it

 

 

Ive no problem that you havent cleared me yet.  Cleared is pretty strong D1.

 

But are you reading me Town atp.

 

I also think I asked you earlier who your Scum reads were.  Will be looking for an answer.

 

If I didnt....who are they?

[Katiora]

  On 6/7/2016 at 6:24 PM, Zander said:

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:54 AM, alannalynn said:

 

I only have Town Meta with her but long wordy posts, paranoia, trying to find someone to trust and a fair bit of reads is mostly what I equate with Town!Kat.

 

 

 

this made me lol...... I"m a tinfoiler aren't i... i'm trying to be better this game... I really am... lol 

[Zander?]

Pg. 48

 

Dice by this time in your DM/Mafia career I figure you should know how to quote and spoiler....

 

*ZANDER DUCKS*

 

lolololololol

[Thane Vakarian]

I'm only posting here now to let you know that Key will be looking for a replacement for me. I won't manage to keep up with the game, the way things are going.

 

My apologies to all

 

have a few drinks on me, ok?

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:06 AM, alannalynn said:

 

p32 Starting to think Zander just looks a little bad. The Seph (Sili's alignment) thing is strange because Zander made a conclusion, Clov corrected him, but Zander went back to the post saying it's contradictory. I think Seph's uncertainty about Sili is townie whereas Zander trying to paint it in a bad light is scummy.

 

@Niniel Why would you follow BFG if you can't be sure she's town? Additionally, what makes you think that BFG is town this game?

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 6:08 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 6:06 PM, Hallia said:

Sili, could you give meeee some reads? Even if tentative?

you town

zander town maybe

darthe town maybe

clov town

bfg town

laine town

seph town maybe

lenlo maybe

nin maybe wolf

 

Don't hate this at all. Didn't expect reads from Sili. He growed up!

 

#662 townie post from Kat, reads list just feels nice to me, not contrived, which is nice. If she's truly uncomfortable as mafia, it's not here. No clue how I'm pure null though LOL

 

@Sili what made you change your mind about Lenlo?

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:03 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:00 PM, Zander said:

Like what similarities Lenbot?

I'm going through the first 20ish pages aorn and I keep seeing you buddy certain people (Laine comes to mind), ping out certain posts way after they were made, an indication that you aren't caught up to or engaged in the current pace of the thread.

 

It reminds me so much of your play in the mash where you were behind all game and would respond to posts after they were no longer relevant. The delay time is a little better/less here, but there's still that noticeable gap. That's probably my biggest scum tell for you. The buddying + the delay.

 

I agree with this post and it's something about Zander's meta that I've been avoiding bringing up. In that one game that I don't like to talk about, (my last one), Zander was scum and instead of talking to me RT to "read me", he avoided me and kept going through old posts in my ISO. I thought it was so strange that he was burying himself in old posts like that, digging up dirt that I'd already cleared up. If he was also staying current with the thread, that would have been unnecessary, but his avoidance was intentional, obv.

 

Lenny, the buddying is null, imo.

Btw, I feel you're town this game and I hope I'm right. I would like to talk to Stork though, if you'd let him out more often, pls.

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:06 PM, BFG said:

 

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  On 6/6/2016 at 1:06 PM, alannalynn said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 10:13 AM, BFG said:

@Laine I have the opposite problem, too many people I find 'off' at the moment :(

 

Fwiw I think Seph has randed town since he came back from his break, so the games you had were probably his most recent as mafia. I know before I subbed into Pokemon I had him as lock mafia, but can't remember if I mentioned it in the QT, so in your case even though you don't have much it's more than most. As for including us and not others, I don't know - I'm not a particularly scary player when town, nor do I do particularly well at leading lynches, would need a lot more info to hazard a guess

 

That explanation on Zander actually makes sense and I'll reread later with that in mind.

Umm I'm kinda lazy, who all is off and why in a concise list pls?

 

Yeah those are my only two.. Mass Effect created the Zander-Alanna magic that you see today, it was June of last year and British Monarchy was July. I haven't been in any recent games with wolf!Seph.

 

Lemme know what you think when you reread that exchange?

 

 

None of Lenlo, Zander or Sili are being particularly transparent

 

I liked Sili's opening but had issues with his responses to Seph's questions

 

Wish joining the 'linking' argument without seemingly remembering it stood out

 

I agree that neither Lenlo nor Zander are transparent, but Sili being less transparent isn't all that odd. Though I'm not sure transparent is the right word with him, more so that he's usually cryptic, whereas the other two are not, at least from my perspective. But Sili is clearly town this game, but perhaps not communicating well with players like Seph or Lenlo? I don't think that makes Seph or Sili any less town; Lenlo is scummy of his own merit. I think I remember Wish jumping in confused on that, but so did I and Zander before going back and reading in context.

 

#722 Zander you don't think I read you well? This goes against our buddying narrative....

 

p38 BFG sounding frustrated... probably more than frustrated. I can't read you people when you yell back and forth and get nowhere productive.

 

#800 and the linked post where Katiora ties herself to Zander purposely is gross

 

Skimming these last few pages because exhausted

 

Liz is okay

 

I'm going to bed. tomorrow starts my weekend so I should be around more and interacting in real time, I'm sorry all I've done thus far is catch up. <3 Goodnight

 

It was contradictory tho. So Im not following there.

 

What delay tho?  Ive been ITT the most of yes I go through catch up periods but Ive also prolly been one of if not the most active real time players this game.

 

You read me well but none of the others I mentioned have ever mislynched me......

 

Kat has tied herself to me as Town before fwiw.

 

I mean other then the reads list I do feel most of her Town Meta can prolly be faked, but until something sticks out or I see her actual Scum game, I feel ok rolling with her being Town atp.

 

You feel like Liz is playing the same as Mario Karts?

 

Either way can you give reasons for it please my dear?

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 11:41 AM, BFG said:

I need a bit more distance from Zander to read him properly

 

This is prolly pretty fair.

 

Our back and forth hurt my brain too.

[Katiora]

  On 6/7/2016 at 6:41 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 11:41 AM, BFG said:

I need a bit more distance from Zander to read him properly

 

This is prolly pretty fair.

 

Our back and forth hurt my brain too.

 

I believe it hurt everyone's brain... lol