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[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!


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  On 6/12/2016 at 9:29 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 11:37 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 11:35 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 11:34 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 11:33 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 11:32 PM, wish-tree said:

what, Sili

 

are you going to tell me I'm silly?

just feels like a wolf qt is all.
I don't get it

 

wait what

 

you think that Zander and I are wolf bros?

 

LOOOOOOL

i mean how you talk with yourself. feels like a wolf qt when i read your last several posts in isolation.
Oh roflllllllllll

 

sorry, this really amuses me

 

I talk to myself because I'm used to having a QT to myself, it's a PerC thing that every player, regardless of alignment, gets a personal QT to talk to the mod/themselves etc

I write down thoughts I have and use those as notes. Here I don't have the luxury to, so I'm posting it all in thread

???

 

What about your QT with Stork?

We've been using Skype, we were given the choice to not use QT, and it's a little more convenient for us. However, he has not been reading the thread because he's been busier than me :/

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Also feel bad for making him read the thread, he'd said he'd replace out by now if we weren't a hydra, so I haven't been talking to him about the game

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  On 6/12/2016 at 12:49 AM, Lenlo said:

 

Sili is now attempting to play the reasonable townie, when all through out this game hes been anything but.

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:16 AM, Hallia said:

If it's between the two, I'm gonna

 

[v] Sili [/v]

Can you ask him to provide the quote? Because he clearly wont do it when I ask him, even though doing so gets him everything he wants and more.

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:23 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 10:13 PM, wish-tree said:

I'm irritated for out of game reasons and also because I don't even know WHAT your cases on each other are

Well Lenlo's case seems to me to be I've been wrong about him and I don't push that hard for my reads.

 

--isn't one point of yours against Lenlo also that he hasn't been pushing hard enough for the Nin lynch? Also, weren't you pushing hard for Lenlo lynch until people like Hallia told you to back off and reconsider? That is an inconsistency.

 

Frankly he is correct. I haven't felt confident enough about various reads to defend them. And my town core is everyone's town core so there's been no need to defend people I feel strongly about.

 

--do you find his defense of people he believes are town lacking in any way?

 

However, he is incorrect when he says I went on about the wrongness of Dice's lynch, or if not incorrect, I at least think he is being misleading. I've never gone after people for voting Dice, merely joked about how I was right. I like being on the right side of history. Everyone does. But I did not make a big deal out of it.

 

--I think what he saw was you saying that Dice was acting like town dice, but not unvoting, and me asking you why the heck you were not voting Besie seemed to me to be an impetus for you moving your vote. By that point I was reading you also as town but it also bothered me that you said, nah, dice is town dice and you didn't try to lead the village off of him, as you tried to push for Lenlo's own head when you felt strongly about him.

 

My case on Lenlo is an amalgamation. tl;dr is he doesn't care about the game, only cares about defending himself.

 

--the bottom saying he has no reads but tried to shade people with words you call negative connotation, sure, it looks suspect.

 

(1) I can't recall many times this game Lenlo has posted content that was not omgus or bent around defending himself. His first catch up post he says later had no reads. Despite containing no read related information he uses a lot of negative connotative words, and it's up to you whether you believe he meant them innocuously.

Ive already made the argument that just because they are negative connotations to you doesnt mean they are to me. Not gonna rehash that.

 

--but I think this point is hard to even continue on or argue from either end because of subjectivity. What were those beginning comments to you, then, Lenlo?

 

(2) Lenlo's activity first surged when I said I had him as a wolf and tried to show why by giving my reaction to his catch-up post. He said I was wrong and misreading him. AS we later find out other people agreed with my interpretation so it couldn't have been just me, so I think lenlo either lacks self-awareness or is involved in revisionist history. Either way it is clear he wasn't very concerned with why i interpretted his post the way i did, but rather proving that i misread. His phrasing during this part treats me as town even though at other times he says he thinks i'm a wolf.

 

--Can you explain why it was clear to you that he wasn't concerned about the why? What did you see that made you think that? I liked his first catch up post and read it as gut town because I liked the thought process demonstrated behind it.

 

You called me a wolf soon after my catchup. Of course my activity would surge after I had caught up. Once again I will also explain that treating someone as a human with a working cerebellum, with the ability to talk and reason and discuss, does not equate to treating them as town. I wanted to talk with you and get your reads and discuss with you because, if you were wolf, doing so would hopefully give away or atleast lead to your teammates. You understand? You get information from the person you think is a wolf before you lynch them.

 

(3) Lenlo's behavior with dice was a little less ping-worthy because Dice was actually technically incorrect, I believe. My main problem right now is that as with me Lenlo's focus was on proving that Dice was lying or was incorrect or whatever. And frankly as time went on it certainly did seem like waht Dice meant was that Lenlo didn't fight for the lynch he wanted as hard as he could have. What dice was perhaps thinking was that the lynch lenlo wanted was a possibility but lenlo didn't fight for it, and that is ironically what lenlo's case on me boils down to.

Theres no technically. He was flat out wrong. What wold you have had me do with Dice? "Oh no Dice, its ok your wrong and constantly pushing this thing. Just rethink it mmmk?". No. I told him he was wrong, explained why, and then left. There was nothing else after that. Your also using alot of "Seem like", "perhaps", "possibility", your attempting to interpret something that was proven wrong as something that may still have merit.

 

--the word tells are legit, actually, because they leave room to wiggle and for people to back out of their ideas. It's much harder to make absolute statements and completely regret them. But I could see uncertainty and lack of conviction as a towny thing, because town lacks perfect info, and to be uncertain and to show it even if one believes in reads might be a good thing for certain players. Is Lenlo usually firm with his reads? If you're a meta player, that's what kind of read I'd like to hear as well.

 

And no, thats not my case. But thanks for trying to make it one.

 

Except I of course have proven that I do indeed care about this game. I merely don't pretend to have stronger reads than I do unless I do, and I don't want to try and persuade people to my side by forcing their hand.

 

(4) Lenlo's use of lying just recently implies he has some through line of dismissing pushes against him, either because that's who he is or because he is not town and values his life to an unreasonable degree (and not a pr because a pr actually does more to help the town win condition in my opinion).

This is simply you not knowing me. Even if I cant find wolves, if I can convince the rest of the town that im not a wolf, ive saved us a mislynch. As for valuing my life, I have already proven this isnt the case by saying "If you give me the quote and prove your case, I will vote myself for you". So if you prove it Sili, I will vote myself and you will get your lynch. All it takes is you sucking it up and giving me a quote. So your "Values life to an unreasonable degree" is shot right there.

 

Also what if I am a PR hmm? Again, you dont know me. Stop trying to make reads as if you do.

--lenlo, threatening to vote yourself is not a productive way to get people to not vote you. Also, if you really are a PR, why are you even saying this in the thread to Sili, who you think is a wolf?

Posted

Wish-tree has been modkilled.

She was: Mafia Goon.

Do NOT discuss reasoning for modkill. 

 

 

It is now Night.  

Night deadline to come momentarily.

Posted

Seph: Darthe, Besie, Dice, Wistork, Lenlo, Lily

 

Wistork: Seph, Zander, Sili, Hallia, Kat

 

Lenlo: Laine, Niniel, Clov, BFG

 

Not Voting: Liz (would have voted Seph)

Posted

So it stands to reason that there's at least one scum in myself, lenlo, lily and liz?

 

It's not me. I believe there's a good chance it's liz or lenlo. Currently iso'ing lenlo but I think I'm going to go to bed before finishing it (it's 00:35am)

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 10:26 PM, Hallia said:

Wagonomics time, BFG?

Yup

 

Mostly a reminder, I'm about up to that part in my reread

 

I sort of want to go back and see who was giving early reads to wishtork :/ think I need to revisit Laine, Chris (and Liz)

 

Think Wistork's wagon looked pretty clean, IF anyone was bussing it was Sili, but I've just read a poke at wish that reads well from him

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  On 6/12/2016 at 10:30 PM, BFG said:

Seph: Darthe, Besie, Dice, Wistork, Lenlo, Lily

 

Wistork: Seph, Zander, Sili, Hallia, Kat

 

Lenlo: Laine, Niniel, Clov, BFG

 

Not Voting: Liz (would have voted Seph)

Besie

Lenlo

Chris

Laine

Liz

 

Chris isn't mafia with Lenlo or Besie, so if Chris is mafia the team is exactly

 

Chris/Laine/Liz which makes my reads lolbad :(

 

Need to go and review trains from yesterday as well

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 10:38 PM, Hallia said:

How do you feel this affects that last minute jump Chris tried doing at EoD?

Depends on if Besie is mafia or not.

 

They're not teammates

Posted

Could you please explain why Lily and Kat are cleared? Is it because they've been pushing Wish?

 

If we look at it that way, then Kat was doing the pushing and Lily was sheeping her - so do they both really look good?

 

I've not iso'd either of them so I just want to understand your (Hallia & BFG) thoughts on this

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Posted

Vote Liz

 

my second choice, since my first choice just died. I admit, my vote is based on mostly feels, but there it is. 

Posted
  On 6/10/2016 at 9:48 PM, keyholder21 said:

FINAL Vote Count:

 

Dice (6) - BFG, Lizabeth, Clov, Lenlo, Hallia, Lily

Besie (5) - Darthe, Katiora, Wistork, Sili,

Wistork (1) - Niniel

Katiora (1) - Besie

Lenlo (1) - dice

 

Not Voting (1) - Alanna

 

AS CHRIS's VOTE WAS AFTER THE TIMER ENDED, DICE IS LYNCHED TODAY.  IN THE FUTURE, ALL VOTES THAT ARE TIMESTAMPED THE SAME TIME AS DAY END WILL COUNT. 

Posted

It's night, Lily. You can vote again D4

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