[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Sili Quirrels]

the game would be  alot easier if i just manned up and read the thread .

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That entire list and consolidating on Kiv not because of her reads but because everyone else told her to? Thats super sketch. I said as much when she first posted it.

 

I think your blinded and not actually reconsidering your read on her after her initial D1 start.

I dont think I am.

 

I think youre not willing to consider the possibility youre wrong.

K. Ftr, you're biased as hell and it's a bit unsavory to see in yet another game. It's going to get abused badly sometime soon when people figure out that they can. It's also likely to get you killed til you change it.

I dont give a crap what you think tbqh.

 

Ill defend or go after ANY read I see fit to do so.

If it was read based I'd accept that. It isn't though, I've not seen her take a critique in the past few games without you chiming in to defend it. It's personal, and you admitted as much last game. This isn't the time or place to get into the philosophy of friendship affecting games, but keep it in mind Zander or you're going to harm the town.

Yes Im ive admitted i was bias....STILL DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT IM READING HER TOWN.

 

The EoD move makes 0 sense from Scum!Besie.

 

Ive said that numerous times.

 

Shes done nothing similar to her other Scum games.

 

Ive said this numerous times.

 

So if I think shes not playing to her Meta and she did something that makes 0 sense from a Scum!Besie perspective I would call that a read.

 

You disagree?

Show me how her EoD makes no sense to you from a wolf perspective please

Because both Hallia and Kiv flipped Town.

 

If she was Scum she could have sat there and just went with her read originally, or said she just voted because of her tabulation.

 

Either of those draw less attention then what actually happened.

 

Hence it makes 0 sense from a Scum!Besie perspective imo.

Okay so heres something notable to consider.

 

Here youre saying she has no reason to do this as a wolf.

 

Earlier I asked you about her doing something wolfy and you said you're giving her the benefit of the doubt that it was a mistake.

 

So either you're saying she cant make a mistake as a wolf but can as town or you're admitting that you're viewing things hpwever you need to at a given moment to fit the argument that she is town.

 

This is also completely counter to any argument of her being new and not acting with purpose, which I believe is one reason youve argues she deserves lenience.

 

Lets go a step further. If this is something she did as a wolf its not actually a poor play. Why? For exactly the reason you say it points to her being town. They were both town, thus it is actually a completely irrelevant move for a wolf which lends them reasoning to do so, unless your argument has digressed to trying to make a case that wolves never do anything counter intuitive to appear less wolf-like.

 

Tldr for anyone else reading is Zander is blind to bessie, regardless of her alignment.

[Sili Quirrels]

afaict besie is saying in the first post that zander is dead because she doesn't know what to think of the new zander so the only zander on her radar is the old zander. That much I can make sense of.

[Darthe]

 

Seems to me Zander is doing it for her.

Quite a gambit, considering he got shot.

I dont think it's a gambit. I think he really has no skill for shedding his outside the game bias of her. Some folks do that stuff.

[Sili Quirrels]

wanna vote cfd zander cause he's worse than besie?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

Seems to me Zander is doing it for her.

Quite a gambit, considering he got shot.

I dont think it's a gambit. I think he really has no skill for shedding his outside the game bias of her. Some folks do that stuff.

 

oh, they know each other.

 

okay i retract what i just said about zander. obviously have to account for their relationship.

[Lenlo]

He hasnt done much other then defend her... I wouldnt be to opposed to it?

 

Wheres Celeste btw? Or Thane?

[Eldrick4221]

See that doesnt read like TMI to me, that reads like he is accusing her of BEING mafia.

 

Like, the reason she is troubled is because her kill is now subbed back into the game. Thats what I got when I first read that post back then.

I see the accusation. I also see the assumption that Zander was the mafia kill.

 

He's talked about why he thinks Kivam wasn't (that kivam was vig or possibly sk) but I'm not ruling it out that Kivam was killed my mafia, and don't like that he is.

[Sili Quirrels]

thane left after he got mass-cleared for being ultra masony.

[Sili Quirrels]

i am joking of course.

[Lenlo]

 

See that doesnt read like TMI to me, that reads like he is accusing her of BEING mafia.

 

Like, the reason she is troubled is because her kill is now subbed back into the game. Thats what I got when I first read that post back then.

I see the accusation. I also see the assumption that Zander was the mafia kill.

 

He's talked about why he thinks Kivam wasn't (that kivam was vig or possibly sk) but I'm not ruling it out that Kivam was killed my mafia, and don't like that he is.

 

Thats fine, I just dont see it as being as clear cut TMI as you seem to.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Seems to me Zander is doing it for her.

Quite a gambit, considering he got shot.

I dont think it's a gambit. I think he really has no skill for shedding his outside the game bias of her. Some folks do that stuff.

oh, they know each other.

 

okay i retract what i just said about zander. obviously have to account for their relationship.

Yeah we gotta figure that out.

[Lenlo]

Like, I would need way more then an iffy TMI.

[Sili Quirrels]

afaict besie is saying in the first post that zander is dead because she doesn't know what to think of the new zander so the only zander on her radar is the old zander. That much I can make sense of.

it's one of those awkward sentences that implies she is speaking without framing her thoughts.

[Darthe]

 

See that doesnt read like TMI to me, that reads like he is accusing her of BEING mafia.

 

Like, the reason she is troubled is because her kill is now subbed back into the game. Thats what I got when I first read that post back then.

I see the accusation. I also see the assumption that Zander was the mafia kill.

 

He's talked about why he thinks Kivam wasn't (that kivam was vig or possibly sk) but I'm not ruling it out that Kivam was killed my mafia, and don't like that he is.

I assume that zander was the wolf kill too, ftr. It makes a lot more sense, so I dont see a reason to not move with that assumption for now.

[Lenlo]

 

 

See that doesnt read like TMI to me, that reads like he is accusing her of BEING mafia.

 

Like, the reason she is troubled is because her kill is now subbed back into the game. Thats what I got when I first read that post back then.

I see the accusation. I also see the assumption that Zander was the mafia kill.

 

He's talked about why he thinks Kivam wasn't (that kivam was vig or possibly sk) but I'm not ruling it out that Kivam was killed my mafia, and don't like that he is.

I assume that zander was the wolf kill too, ftr. It makes a lot more sense, so I dont see a reason to not move with that assumption for now.

 

I also assumed Zander was wolf kill, as he was universally town read. Also Kiv was setup and ready to be lynched today. Counter intuitive to shoot him.

[Sili Quirrels]

i'm guessing she said zander was dead because she wants to seperate the two zanders in her head so she can better consider the one that is alive.

[Sili Quirrels]

mind you im not saying the motivation and the effect are causative. more likely they are correlative.

[Zander?]

 

 

I feel so handicapped by being an outed town in this game.

 

Like my sword of righteous fury has been stripped from me in favor of a pretty princess gown.

 

I wish I could just be VT in all games always.

Like, I understand that you're outed town, but to me that's good 'cause I've been reading your and Thane's opinions as town opinions. It's bad for you, because scum knows you can only be NK'd, and not mislynched or vigged... wait...

 

Why weren't either you or Thane NK'd?

 

 

because killing one confirms the other and leaves the cop and doc alive to mess with the scum

 

 

I will refer to them exclusively as Funshine Bear.

 

I want to be referred to as The Artist Formerly Known as Zander....wait..... no just a symbol......wait.....too soon????

 

 

here  i got a symbol for you

 

 

 

its perfect for you bathead

 

 

 

 

page 88

 

 

 

Umm......Verb???

[Shad_]

 

Can you post for me the case on Turin in full? Ive only caught bits and piece of it. Seen things like people saying hes TMI.

TMI is my full case. It's a big tmi tho. I feel like it's enough.

 

So what's your stance on Besie's "towns on the wagon" post that Turin pointed out?

[Sili Quirrels]

makes a lot more sense from a wolf's point of view for besie to do that, but if she doesn't know how to make reads on the fly that could also be a justification for such logic. *shrug*

[Zander?]

besie/z2 from nyns d1 play/ turin/celeste/darthe/dice I honestly feel decent about darthe /dice atm.

 

Turin/besie/ 3rd

 

lenlo/turin  highly doubtful imo

 

Celeste/z2/ someone else

 

 

 

These are just some scenarios running through my head. it's really hard without a turin/besie flip imo

 

I had asked you earlier but you didnt answer iirc.

 

Did you at all suss Nyn prior to me subbing in?

[Shad_]

Umm......Verb???

You mean it wasn't just me?

 

>_>

 

<_<

[Lenlo]

makes a lot more sense from a wolf's point of view for besie to do that, but if she doesn't know how to make reads on the fly that could also be a justification for such logic. *shrug*

But I dont understand why you would just... believe a VT claim. So suddenly. Were you expecting something else? Something less convincing, maybe them to admit to being a wolf?

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

Lol Len

 

I'm leaving it to 50/50. I am for both Hallia and Kivam, so let's see.

Yeah I know. What happened to trusting your town core Bess? I thought 6 voices were better then 1? I thought you were bringing them togther to FIGHT THE RANDOM

 

Lol Len. I don't see what your problem is, honey. It was an idea that you obviously hated. Only 3 towns actually went for the plan.

 

 

 

... okay 3 people that I hope is town.

 

 

 

 

 

Lol Len

 

I'm leaving it to 50/50. I am for both Hallia and Kivam, so let's see.

Yeah I know. What happened to trusting your town core Bess? I thought 6 voices were better then 1? I thought you were bringing them togther to FIGHT THE RANDOM

 

Lol Len. I don't see what your problem is, honey. It was an idea that you obviously hated. Only 3 towns actually went for the plan.

 

After day ended but before hallia flipped.

 

Wanna reconsider???

 

 

 

No not really.

 

Why didnt you quote her follow up.

 

...wow there was a follow-up.