[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Sili Quirrels]

oh hi darthe. in a vacuum i'd say you're town. but as darthe im not sure. just wanted to make sure i updated that read properly.

[Sili Quirrels]

[unvote] [v]turin[/v]

[Darthe]

that's actually reasonable. when someone does a table like that it's basically what you did when you iso'd laine when she was about to get lynched to justify your eventual vote on her. It's too much effort in the wrong place, pretty much.

 

However, I would also like to add that Besie being sort of new excuses part of this. It's hard to say but she might do it as town as well if she didn't know how to play as town but wanted to be useful.

I actually agree. Its plausible. Shows a lot of effort at the very least

[Darthe]

oh hi darthe. in a vacuum i'd say you're town. but as darthe im not sure. just wanted to make sure i updated that read properly.

AcceptAble, im actually enjoying my position this game.

[Sili Quirrels]

scratch i convinced myself.

 

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[v]besie[/v]

[Sili Quirrels]

 

oh hi darthe. in a vacuum i'd say you're town. but as darthe im not sure. just wanted to make sure i updated that read properly.

AcceptAble, im actually enjoying my position this game.

 

 

if u r town ditto.

[Shad_]

ok so where im at   I think seph is scum. his train went nowhere  there was a post at beginning of day that was weird to me and now he has largely disappeared

 

Turin is causing me concern. the SK comment then theres things like the below   he twists things to put a negative slant on them 

 

masons can also have other abilities. It is fairly rare however.

 

Mafia are frequently loathe to shoot masons that claim early because:

1. It confirms the remaining mason. In effect converting them to innocent child.

 

2. It uses up shots that can be used to cop/doc hunt.

 

But you already knew that.

 

I generally haven't felt like Turin has been twisting things--Besie's said a lot of stuff that's made me do a double take, and a lot of what he's called out are things that struck me too, though I didn't necessarily draw the same conclusions.  But the "But you already knew that" line in the post you quoted does stand out to me as a bit out of character for him.  Interesting.

 

I don't remember him ever taking up that attitude when pushing scum!me, at any rate.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

That entire list and consolidating on Kiv not because of her reads but because everyone else told her to? Thats super sketch. I said as much when she first posted it.

 

I think your blinded and not actually reconsidering your read on her after her initial D1 start.

I dont think I am.

 

I think youre not willing to consider the possibility youre wrong.

K. Ftr, you're biased as hell and it's a bit unsavory to see in yet another game. It's going to get abused badly sometime soon when people figure out that they can. It's also likely to get you killed til you change it.

I dont give a crap what you think tbqh.

 

Ill defend or go after ANY read I see fit to do so.

If it was read based I'd accept that. It isn't though, I've not seen her take a critique in the past few games without you chiming in to defend it. It's personal, and you admitted as much last game. This isn't the time or place to get into the philosophy of friendship affecting games, but keep it in mind Zander or you're going to harm the town.

Yes Im ive admitted i was bias....STILL DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT IM READING HER TOWN.

 

The EoD move makes 0 sense from Scum!Besie.

 

Ive said that numerous times.

 

Shes done nothing similar to her other Scum games.

 

Ive said this numerous times.

 

So if I think shes not playing to her Meta and she did something that makes 0 sense from a Scum!Besie perspective I would call that a read.

 

You disagree?

Show me how her EoD makes no sense to you from a wolf perspective please

 

 

Because both Hallia and Kiv flipped Town.

 

If she was Scum she could have sat there and just went with her read originally, or said she just voted because of her tabulation. 

 

Either of those draw less attention then what actually happened.

 

Hence it makes 0 sense from a Scum!Besie perspective imo.

[Sili Quirrels]

I believe I gave an adequate explanation for why scum!besie moved, in that she thought town her would do so in reaction to the vanilla claims.

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That entire list and consolidating on Kiv not because of her reads but because everyone else told her to? Thats super sketch. I said as much when she first posted it.

 

I think your blinded and not actually reconsidering your read on her after her initial D1 start.

I dont think I am.

 

I think youre not willing to consider the possibility youre wrong.

K. Ftr, you're biased as hell and it's a bit unsavory to see in yet another game. It's going to get abused badly sometime soon when people figure out that they can. It's also likely to get you killed til you change it.

I dont give a crap what you think tbqh.

 

Ill defend or go after ANY read I see fit to do so.

If it was read based I'd accept that. It isn't though, I've not seen her take a critique in the past few games without you chiming in to defend it. It's personal, and you admitted as much last game. This isn't the time or place to get into the philosophy of friendship affecting games, but keep it in mind Zander or you're going to harm the town.

Yes Im ive admitted i was bias....STILL DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT IM READING HER TOWN.

 

The EoD move makes 0 sense from Scum!Besie.

 

Ive said that numerous times.

 

Shes done nothing similar to her other Scum games.

 

Ive said this numerous times.

 

So if I think shes not playing to her Meta and she did something that makes 0 sense from a Scum!Besie perspective I would call that a read.

 

You disagree?

Show me how her EoD makes no sense to you from a wolf perspective please

 

 

Because both Hallia and Kiv flipped Town.

 

If she was Scum she could have sat there and just went with her read originally, or said she just voted because of her tabulation. 

 

Either of those draw less attention then what actually happened.

 

Hence it makes 0 sense from a Scum!Besie perspective imo.

 

AGain, it makes 0 sense from any alignment so at best I dont see how you can paint that as a towny move. The logic your using is TWTBAW, which is bull crap and you know it.

 

 

Can you post for me the case on Turin in full? Ive only caught bits and piece of it. Seen things like people saying hes TMI.

TMI is my full case. It's a big tmi tho. I feel like it's enough.

 

 

Can you give me full quotes an explanations? Put it in one place for me? I dont have time to reread Turin.

[Sili Quirrels]

Has Zander been defending Besie since he got back?

[Lenlo]

Has Zander been defending Besie since he got back?

Pretty much, though thats no different from D1.

[Shad_]

It does make sense if she thinks she can talk her way out of the heat it will generate.

Seems to me she can't be bothered.

[Lenlo]

 

It does make sense if she thinks she can talk her way out of the heat it will generate.

Seems to me she can't be bothered.

 

Seems to me Zander is doing it for her.

[Shad_]

i didnt add

 

"but you already knew that"

 

 

did I Turin? THATS the twist

 

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[Shad_]

Seems to me Zander is doing it for her.

Quite a gambit, considering he got shot.

[Eldrick4221]

My reason was posted recently..

 

 

Eldrick, to be fair I do assume Z1.0 got killed by mafia. The kiv kill makes more sense as a vig shot. It doesn't fit SK even to me unless the SK thought he was mafia. Or there were some sort of NA shenanigans.

It read to me like you knew they did, when you were asking besie if she was worried about it.

 

Which says to me that you were responsible for one of the kills

 

[V]Turin [/v]

[Lenlo]

 

Seems to me Zander is doing it for her.

Quite a gambit, considering he got shot.

 

Im not saying that was her plan, im saying thats how D2 has panned out.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Has Zander been defending Besie since he got back?

Pretty much, though thats no different from D1.

 

Is he defending her different?

 

Is the rationalization more direct and righteous, or perhaps just stubborn and wrong as though he wasn't adjusting to new information?

[Lenlo]

My reason was posted recently..

 

 

Eldrick, to be fair I do assume Z1.0 got killed by mafia. The kiv kill makes more sense as a vig shot. It doesn't fit SK even to me unless the SK thought he was mafia. Or there were some sort of NA shenanigans.

It read to me like you knew they did, when you were asking besie if she was worried about it.

 

Which says to me that you were responsible for one of the kills

 

[V]Turin [/v]

 

Alright. Can you show me the original quote before this you and Turin both seem to be referencing?

[Lenlo]

 

 

Has Zander been defending Besie since he got back?

Pretty much, though thats no different from D1.

 

Is he defending her different?

 

Is the rationalization more direct and righteous, or perhaps just stubborn and wrong as though he wasn't adjusting to new information?

 

I want to say the second, but I am most likely biased on this point. Ive decided to stop fighting that front because I have made my points and yelled to much.

 

Figure my time would be better spent now looking at the other current suspects people have, so im trying to figure out Turin and why people are voting him atm.

[Shad_]

I think I can safely cross Dice off as town at this point.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

 

And yes. Zander is dead. He may have replaced nyn too, but until I think I know his new alignment, he's dead.

This is false. Zander 1.0 is dead. Z 2.0 is quite alive. Your posts seem like you are troubled by that fact.

I kinda am, Turin.

that's because when mafia kill townies they prefer for them to stay dead.

How do you know the mafia kill was zander?

I don't.

[Lenlo]

See that doesnt read like TMI to me, that reads like he is accusing her of BEING mafia.

 

Like, the reason she is troubled is because her kill is now subbed back into the game. Thats what I got when I first read that post back then.

[Sili Quirrels]

Mafia besie may have added more to the 'I kinda am, Turin.' sigh.