[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Sooh]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Seph (1) - Dice

 

Dice (3) - seph, Eldrick, Turin

 

Celeste (3) - Thane, Darthe, Zander

 

Zander (1) - Sili

 

Not voting (3): Lenlo, Celeste, Shad, 

 

With 11 alive there are 6 to lynch!

 

 

G'night everyone!

[Darthe]

 

 

@ turin i asked him because of his who am i going to doc tonight comment. If i was mafia i probably would have shot him because of it

Really?? It's Darthe.

still would have shot him unless the real doc claimed

 

 

@ turin i asked him because of his who am i going to doc tonight comment. If i was mafia i probably would have shot him because of it

 

Really?? It's Darthe.

 

still would have shot him unless the real doc claimed

What is this even in response to?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Turin (5) - Darthe, Celeste, Zander, Thane, Besie

Besie (5) - Turin, Lenlo, Sili, Eldrick, seph

Seph (1) - , Dice

 

Not voting (1): Shad, 

 

With 12 alive there are 7 to lynch!

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Turin (1) - Darthe

Besie (6) - Turin, Lenlo, Eldrick, seph, Celeste, Shad

Celeste (5) - Thane, Zander, Sili, Besie, Dice

 

Time's up! That's a lynch!

 

(I do not count votes coming in after the timer runs out. Shad's change was too late.)

As I said earlier, I think Zander was boxed into going there as a wolf regardless of Celeste's alignment.  He was voting to save Besie 100% of the time here as town and he'd been sussing Celeste all game besides.

 

Darthe was afk.

 

Dice actually cast the critical vote to put Celeste under serious threat of a lynching.  Sili was back and forth often.

 

My final vote on celeste came to tie the wagons fwiw.

[Darthe]

 

 

@ turin i asked him because of his who am i going to doc tonight comment. If i was mafia i probably would have shot him because of it

If this is who I think its about its the only reason Ive been holding back pushing him real hard.

 

But on the other hand he could make a post like this as either alignment and even a VT imo.

 

 

@ turin i asked him because of his who am i going to doc tonight comment. If i was mafia i probably would have shot him because of it

Really?? It's Darthe.

Ya what I was getting at.

 

I dont know really what it says about Dice tho. Hes seemed fairly Dice like with the exception of his sheeping Thane.

Again this just really isn't like you. I don't see Zander going "hmm, Darthe is hella suss but he did soft hint a PR and I know he does that as either alignment so I'm going to back off."

This, 100%. No offense zander but you have absolutely no tact as town. You're a dog trying to get off his leash.

 

Thats not the performance shown here.

[Darthe]

We know sili, you are super town this game.

[Lenlo]

@lenlo I would prefer if you gave your own argument, sheeping is a lazy way to not take the blame or any backfire

Im not saying I wont take any blame or backfire? Ill own up to my vote and I didnt say I was just gonna sheep anyone for anyreason. I said I dont have it in me atm to seriously case anyone, so im going to look at the arguments given for each person and decide which one I think is best. I dont trust my judgement atm  because I was wrong on Besie and have been doubting my Celeste wolf read since EoD yesterday.

 

 

I think your wrong and is just looking for something wolfy because we need a wolf.

Explain this.

 

I think he is looking and scrutinizing everything extra hard to try and find a good place to go, because Besie ended up not being a wolf. Alot of ideas about the wolf team were based on Besie being a wolf, so her not throws a wrench into that. I dont meant o say hes doing it to single me out or anything, I meant it as he is looking for things where there are none because we, as a collective town, are abit desperate to find a wolf imo. Makes you want to find one whereever you can.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

so far in my reread anyway. if you want to say im grasping at straws i go into detail in my analysis at one point. you could read that and get back to me.

I did read it but I'm on the phone.

 

I think your wrong and is just looking for something wolfy because we need a wolf.

 

I said your push on town!besie was weak. that you made a big deal of nothing. and that you gave yourself room to back off seph by saying you didn't know him that well, which strongly implies you do find meta important and then you go on to tunnel Celeste despite others saying you just don't know her well enough.

 

so yeah, i think you're a wolf. if you dont want to respond to those reasons i guess it's fine.

 

Alright home.

 

Heres the problem. You say my push on town!Besie was weak, as if her being town changes her actions at the time. I made a big deal about nothing? What about the other 4 people who agreed with me? What about Turin who pushed her just as hard as I did? Why am I the only person making a big deal of nothing when I obviously was not alone? Also it very much was something. That EoD, atrocious. That list was wolfy. Her actions to the pressure, wolfy. Just because I was wrong doesnt mean it was nothing.

I think the argument in your first posts was weak and criminal. This has nothing to do with happened later yet.

 

 

Backing off Seph: I never even attacked the dude. How do I back off someone I never stepped to? As for meta, incorrect. Meta is not important to me, knowing someone's personality and attitude does. You may think those are the same, but I disagree. I care about the person underneath, not their record. Then theres the question of the player difference. Seph was active, playing, giving me plenty of content to learn him from. Celeste was not. Celeste was being defended by people saying "You just dont know here" while Seph was actively teaching me, through his posts, what he was like. He gave me more to go off of then "Dont worry this is just how they play".

 

Got any more reasons? Maybe some that arnt bad?

 

 

Okay, but your first post on Seph certainly sounded like you were almost attacking him. Meta is just the word I chose to use. It apparently has no relevance. Nevertheless it's true knowing more about Seph was important to you but for Celeste it wasn't... because Celeste wasn't giving you much to go off of? No that doesn't hold up.

[Lenlo]

 

I'm attempting to reconsider Celeste right now because of who ended up bushing her heavily at EOD yesterday.

Explain this.

 

Dice and Zander, my next best go to's for wolf, ended day voting for Celeste. I dont think it was a joke either, I think they really would have preferred Celeste die then Besie. Theres also the fact that I was wrong on Besie, even though I felt strongly she was a wolf, which has made me doubt my other wolf read (Celeste). Im just starting to get the feeling she may be another "easy mislynch", which while not perfect is the best term I could come up with. I dunno, I feel were being steered to Celeste and that worries me. I dont want to dive headlong into another mistake.

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

so far in my reread anyway. if you want to say im grasping at straws i go into detail in my analysis at one point. you could read that and get back to me.

I did read it but I'm on the phone.

 

I think your wrong and is just looking for something wolfy because we need a wolf.

 

I said your push on town!besie was weak. that you made a big deal of nothing. and that you gave yourself room to back off seph by saying you didn't know him that well, which strongly implies you do find meta important and then you go on to tunnel Celeste despite others saying you just don't know her well enough.

 

so yeah, i think you're a wolf. if you dont want to respond to those reasons i guess it's fine.

 

Alright home.

 

Heres the problem. You say my push on town!Besie was weak, as if her being town changes her actions at the time. I made a big deal about nothing? What about the other 4 people who agreed with me? What about Turin who pushed her just as hard as I did? Why am I the only person making a big deal of nothing when I obviously was not alone? Also it very much was something. That EoD, atrocious. That list was wolfy. Her actions to the pressure, wolfy. Just because I was wrong doesnt mean it was nothing.

I think the argument in your first posts was weak and criminal. This has nothing to do with happened later yet.

 

 

Backing off Seph: I never even attacked the dude. How do I back off someone I never stepped to? As for meta, incorrect. Meta is not important to me, knowing someone's personality and attitude does. You may think those are the same, but I disagree. I care about the person underneath, not their record. Then theres the question of the player difference. Seph was active, playing, giving me plenty of content to learn him from. Celeste was not. Celeste was being defended by people saying "You just dont know here" while Seph was actively teaching me, through his posts, what he was like. He gave me more to go off of then "Dont worry this is just how they play".

 

Got any more reasons? Maybe some that arnt bad?

 

 

Okay, but your first post on Seph certainly sounded like you were almost attacking him. Meta is just the word I chose to use. It apparently has no relevance. Nevertheless it's true knowing more about Seph was important to you but for Celeste it wasn't... because Celeste wasn't giving you much to go off of? No that doesn't hold up.

 

How does it not hold up? Seph gave me posts, I could learn how he does things because he was DOING things. Celeste was NOT DOING thing, which makes it hard to learn how she DOES things. Then theres the fact that from what little I know of how Celeste does things, I disagree with it on a basic level. Its almost 100% gut which I just disagree with. Anyone telling me "This is just how she does things" Doesnt help when I disagree with her on the most basic level. Then theres this fact: Ive played with Celeste before. Not Seph. I have 0 experience with him, some with her. I didnt care for the tried and tried again arguments.

 

Heres the difference: I wanted to know more about Seph FROM Seph, not other people. I wanted to know more about Celeste FROM Celeste, not other people. Seph gave me that. She didnt.

 

Were going to have to disagree on that first one then, because I dont. They were perfectly valid and again, im not the only person to use those arguments. Other people brought them up later down the line. To hold me "criminally" responsible for what was multiple people pushing her is crazy.

[Sili Quirrels]

you were probably one of the wolves to push besie for that reason.

 

and just beacuse someone agreed with how you worded that doesn't make it less wolfy.

 

and saying you somehow disagree on a fundamental level with celeste does not excuse how you tunneled her despite many people attacking your logic. If you respect character reads you respect knowledge about a person no matter where it comes from and you react to it different than you did.

[Lenlo]

you were probably one of the wolves to push besie for that reason.

 

and just beacuse someone agreed with how you worded that doesn't make it less wolfy.

 

and saying you somehow disagree on a fundamental level with celeste does not excuse how you tunneled her despite many people attacking your logic. If you respect character reads you respect knowledge about a person no matter where it comes from and you react to it different than you did.

I didnt tunnel her?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

you were probably one of the wolves to push besie for that reason.

 

and just beacuse someone agreed with how you worded that doesn't make it less wolfy.

 

and saying you somehow disagree on a fundamental level with celeste does not excuse how you tunneled her despite many people attacking your logic. If you respect character reads you respect knowledge about a person no matter where it comes from and you react to it different than you did.

I didnt tunnel her?

 

I'm pretty sure you did. You don't feel like you did?

[Lenlo]

 

 

you were probably one of the wolves to push besie for that reason.

 

and just beacuse someone agreed with how you worded that doesn't make it less wolfy.

 

and saying you somehow disagree on a fundamental level with celeste does not excuse how you tunneled her despite many people attacking your logic. If you respect character reads you respect knowledge about a person no matter where it comes from and you react to it different than you did.

I didnt tunnel her?

 

I'm pretty sure you did. You don't feel like you did?

 

No. I brought up my problems with her, people disagreed, I responded and then I went after Bessie. If I tunneled anyone this game it was Bess, not Celeste.

[Darthe]

I definitely don't have this game figured out yet

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

@ turin i asked him because of his who am i going to doc tonight comment. If i was mafia i probably would have shot him because of it

Really?? It's Darthe.

still would have shot him unless the real doc claimed

 

@ turin i asked him because of his who am i going to doc tonight comment. If i was mafia i probably would have shot him because of it

 

Really?? It's Darthe.

 

still would have shot him unless the real doc claimed

What is this even in response to?

 

 

Something turin posted to you actually about the question i bugged you to answer

 

 

 

I'm attempting to reconsider Celeste right now because of who ended up bushing her heavily at EOD yesterday.

Explain this.

 

Dice and Zander, my next best go to's for wolf, ended day voting for Celeste. I dont think it was a joke either, I think they really would have preferred Celeste die then Besie. Theres also the fact that I was wrong on Besie, even though I felt strongly she was a wolf, which has made me doubt my other wolf read (Celeste). Im just starting to get the feeling she may be another "easy mislynch", which while not perfect is the best term I could come up with. I dunno, I feel were being steered to Celeste and that worries me. I dont want to dive headlong into another mistake.

 

 

I thought i was pretty clear that i was town reading besie. in that situation? yep voting celeste not besie.

 

im kinda meh on celeste   shes made no real impression on me one way or another tbh

[dicetosser1]

for me my towns are me shad thane sili

 

cant make my mind up on lenlo   probably leaning a little more town then scum on him but its a coin flip

 

 

my scums are seph turin    no i dont believe him   not sure on another as there are a few candidates

 

people have made some good arguments for Z 2.0  but i keep thinking of his handling of besie/lenlo which i thought was good  but i think i may be mixing the zander versions up

 

eldrick      really not sure   hes different this game  i THINK town  but nowhere near sure

 

darthe i dont know what to do with   i think town but that soft claim thing is annoying me. he did respond well when he and i went back and forth  but i dont feel like i can say Darthe thinks THIS about X

[Darthe]

WHAT SOFT CLAIM 

[seph]

There are 165 pages and I still don't know why dice has me wolf lol.

Had me null and said he didn't like a few posts. Could you enlighten me?

[dicetosser1]

WHAT SOFT CLAIM 

 

 

soft claim was turins word for it

 

 

remember me asking why u thought u didnt die n1? i asked because of your little post asking who you should doc tonight

[dicetosser1]

to enilighten you i need to iso to find stuff and i cant do that at work seph.

[Darthe]

 

WHAT SOFT CLAIM 

 

 

soft claim was turins word for it

 

 

remember me asking why u thought u didnt die n1? i asked because of your little post asking who you should doc tonight

 

quote the post plz, I really don't remember.

[seph]

to enilighten you i need to iso to find stuff and i cant do that at work seph.

I was hoping you could give me a general idea since I have been you main suspect for 3 days now. its ok though I can wait

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander please explain how dice has been a town dice.

Where is his fire when he digs in someone? I'm not seeing any of that, this seems like he is more or less going with the flow.

He votes me, and switches at eod towards someone recently getting heat.

 

I think I just read he claimed doctor from a recent post turin quoted? Is that right?

His tone and thoughts processes seem normal.

 

He's not digging into mechanics.

 

Jokey but not overly jokey.

 

Other then the sheeping Thane and Darthe comment he seems ok to me.

 

And no he didnt claim Doc that I saw.

Disagree with dice not digging into mechanics tangential subjects. The bus driver must be mafia thing. There are others I think also.

 

Also disagree about him not being overly jokey. nearly every time topics get serious he jokes and/or grumps about some other thing.

 

Quotes have to wait for the morning.

 

Also, how is thought process normal when he assumes Darthe is being legit about a pop in doc soft?

 

 

Grumpy is not jokey to me.

 

Ive commented on this.  It along with the sheeping is why Dice isnt a solid Town read only a light one.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

It is but still quite active compared to i dont know....about everyone else.

 

Would you describe your typical wolf game as low volume and lurky? 

 

 

Would you?

 

Of course not and that is the point.

 

Like the issue was very explicitly "Zander was more involved and focused on making reads in his confirmed town slot than he has been since."

 

You first refuted this by pointing out that your combined total posts between both slots tops the count.

 

We told you this is irrelevant, and you say well ok but I'm still more active than most people post-sub.

 

So what?   This is still irrelevant.

 

 

So was your post asking me.

 

Ask a stupid question get a stupid answer imo.

 

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

 

 

You're not even trying.

 

FFS what did you want me to say to that comment Shad?

 

Ive mentioned why Im trying to to drag it out.

 

Am I less active sure is activity a tell for me...NO

 

Hence why I made the comment I did.

 

Give your head a shake Shad.

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander please explain why I am wrong

 

Wolfy pop in vote EoD yesterday.

 

As Town she goes all over the place.

 

Giving more input that reads thought out as opposed to off the cuff.

This has absolutely nothing to do with my argument.

Big ol Fos at you my friend

 

 

Ive explained why I think youre wrong.

 

Im telling you what I see as why shes wolfy.

 

Ive even explained more in other answers to other people.