[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Thane Vakarian]

cyas on the flip side

[Zander?]

 

 

vig claims

if there's a doc, like i assume there is as most games do, they protect.

vig has free reign to hunt scum with bullets without worrying about dying themselves.

 

bonus, if there's a watcher, they get to see the doc and possibly the mafia trying to kill anyway

You shouldn't know any of this for sure. Furthermore you don't know who the vigilante is. The vigilante could have very easily been Turin.

 

You guys...  I see both of you speculating setup, but Eldrick's tone here looks better than Sili's. Why? Sili, looks like you're prodding and poking at Eldrick, but to me he seems speculating at best. Bolded implies that you think he's scum (which you do), but still... to me it doesn't look like he actually knows all this or anything for sure. he's John Snow.

 

 

I disagree.

 

Sili seems more in his Town!Sili range then Eld does imo.

[Zander?]

 

 

guys, calm down a tad, ok?

i am over it since i've come to my conclusion.

 

however, i was perfectly justified.

 

alright

 

Now, can I ask you something? Who do you think looked worst EOD with the voting?

 

 

Celeste

[Zander?]

Look at the timing of how it. Look at how he transitions onto Turin as his top suspect. Look at the relative lack of prodding elsewhere. Look at all the confusion and minutia discussed in the closing hours.  Look at the immediate loss of interest in Turin after his claim.  Look at how he had nothing to say to me IRT saving Besie when I, his top town read, held the deciding vote. 

 

 

Look at how loudly the scum!Besie proponents were shouting vs how Zander, the loudest player on Dragonmount, defended Besie when it really mattered.

 

Dude Ive been sick and was in catch up mode yesterday.

 

FFS you again mentioned yourself self there was like 25 pages in like an 1 hour.

 

We'll talk after what we see what the Night tells us.

[Zander?]

He subbed into a scum slot.  He was forced to maintain his old reads but he half-asses all of them.  He revs down on protecting Besie as the heat on her revs up.  He's not interested in scum hunting.  He doesn't care about people's motives.  His WIM took a club to the head long before she got lynched over one of his scum reads.  He feels legit bad that she got lynched in her first town game but he had to let it happen and he sort of dispersed into the aether as it got down to the wire on deciding between continuing to protect her and securing a mislynch.  Like less than 20 minutes between EoD he's talking about how he thinks it's bad that two afk players are lingering on an old wagon.  This is his head was at.  Does anyone in their right mind think this is town?

 

 

 

Think on the Bold for a second Shad.

 

Think real hard.

[Turin Turambar]

 

So anyway Zander's mafia.

 

 

I'm highly confident on that.

 

 

You can practically watch the paranoia evaporate as D2 progresses.

 

 

A few of my notes:

 

By Zander standards he's incredibly chill with letting Besie's lynch go through.

 

Pretty much forgets about all his Lenlo suss when Turin becomes the main wagon and goes at him instead.

 

Instant trust of Turin's claim.

 

A few sporadic "Celeste's wolfy" posts.

 

No scum hunting to speak of really. Lots of confusion and conversations that lead nowhere.

 

Youre wrong.

 

I think youre completely forgetting to ask yourself the $1,000,000.00 question about the thing were not supposed to talk about.

 

I played catch up all day.

 

Didnt you yourself post something about me skimming or something along that line?

 

I truly believe that at least one of the people who pushed Besie's lynch hard is/are Scum.

 

Who?? Why???

[Zander?]

I've been willing to vote z2 since yesterday.

 

Turin, come day its gonna be important that you keep transparent with the town what you did the night before.

 

Where did you say this?

[Zander?]

 

I'm not letting myself get lynched over my EoD. I'm town and really don't believe Turin's claim.

Can you show what you've done this game that was townie?

 

 

Can you show me what you've done this game that was Townie?

[dicetosser1]

vig claims

if there's a doc, like i assume there is as most games do, they protect.

vig has free reign to hunt scum with bullets without worrying about dying themselves.

 

bonus, if there's a watcher, they get to see the doc and possibly the mafia trying to kill anyway

 

and if the watcher is a mafia role you just lead mafia to two power roles

[Zander?]

Hey Z, who are you top 3 mafia candidates?

 

Wanna see what the Night brings, catch up and reread

 

But atp im looking at

 

Celeste Darthe Len, Eldrick.and maybe you.

[dicetosser1]

 

vig claims

if there's a doc, like i assume there is as most games do, they protect.

vig has free reign to hunt scum with bullets without worrying about dying themselves.

 

bonus, if there's a watcher, they get to see the doc and possibly the mafia trying to kill anyway

You shouldn't know any of this for sure. Furthermore you don't know who the vigilante is. The vigilante could have very easily been Turin.

 

[Zander?]

 

Im a little slow to the draw but I get there.

Meh.

 

I would have been more inclined to accept if you'd said you never even saw the first post. The thread was moving pretty quick and you were back and forth between real time and catch-up.

 

At least that was what I had in mind as a good answer.

 

 

 

Oh you did follow up with that lol. Fair enough.

 

(Still think you're wolfin but you'll get there.)

 

Think back to Minions. 

[Zander?]

 

 

Almost to eod! Bets are y'all lynched bessie and she was town?

Awful post.

How so? Id argue that this predatory and predictable response is worse

 

 

Then youd be wrong.

 

Its awful cause its like you already know what happened and that you were also sussing Besie as well iirc.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Homework assignment: Read Zander before and after sub. Comments/opinions.

Had fire before. No longer has fire. Now accepts being called a wolf by people like the Masons. I think he would have argued with even them before.

Who called me a Wolf Darthe?

Pretty sure thane and shad both have

 

 

Not at the time you made the original post.

 

So wanna try again?

[Turin Turambar]

1. Zander - killed N1 - Vanilla town

2. Darthe: was leaning heavy town. slightly weaker now.

3. Hallia - lynched D1 - town

4. Lenlo: town lean- I don't think he gets so emotional as mafia.

5. Turin: TTtTTT

6. Dice: mafia - I don't see how he thinks it was reasonable to be catching up with DL looming and thoughyt it a good idea to push at two people that were not getting lynched yesterday. I also think  he is running with easy arguments like activity but isn't really making any deep posts. also the annoyed shtick feels fake.

7. Eldrick: Null/mixed- first choice if any other mafia reads fall thru

8. Shad: town Mason- I expect he is cleared soon.  

9. Seph: strong mafia lean- just too many weird things.  

10. Nynaeve Zander 2.0: was leaning mafia but seriously doubting that read. Need to talk more during day phase if we both alive. 

11. Besie - lynched D2 - Vanilla town

12. Celeste: mafia lean- over promising. obviously her thinking I'm mafia isn't helping her . Really only besie flip levelling me tbh.

13. Thane: Town Mason- I wish he wasn't playing so scummily tho. 

14. Sili: Town. 

15. Kivam - killed N1 - Vanilla town

 

Wanna lynch list:

Dice

Seph

Celeste

Eldrick

Z2 * Still some concern but gonna see what day brings

[Zander?]

 

 

So anyway Zander's mafia.

 

 

I'm highly confident on that.

 

 

You can practically watch the paranoia evaporate as D2 progresses.

 

 

A few of my notes:

 

By Zander standards he's incredibly chill with letting Besie's lynch go through.

 

Pretty much forgets about all his Lenlo suss when Turin becomes the main wagon and goes at him instead.

 

Instant trust of Turin's claim.

 

A few sporadic "Celeste's wolfy" posts.

 

No scum hunting to speak of really. Lots of confusion and conversations that lead nowhere.

 

Youre wrong.

 

I think youre completely forgetting to ask yourself the $1,000,000.00 question about the thing were not supposed to talk about.

 

I played catch up all day.

 

Didnt you yourself post something about me skimming or something along that line?

 

I truly believe that at least one of the people who pushed Besie's lynch hard is/are Scum.

 

Who?? Why???

 

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Turin (1) - Darthe

Besie (6) - Turin, Lenlo, Eldrick, seph, Celeste, Shad

Celeste (5) - Thane, Zander, Sili, Besie, Dice

 

 

 

Time's up! That's a lynch!

 

(I do not count votes coming in after the timer runs out. Shad's change was too late.)

 

 

Well most of the people Im sussing are on it.

 

Because I dont think that was a completely Town on Town violence Train.

 

And I think Celeste is the most obv one of the bunch and Shad is obv not included.

[Turin Turambar]

Maybe replace Z with Darthe. They are both in the same neighborhood.

[dicetosser1]

 

eld

 

 

 

 

Yes?

 

 

i dont remember why i typed that. was probably gonna say somethging to u but got distracted by work

[Turin Turambar]

Celeste. Read this carefully please. Dice you too.

 

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bus_Driver

[dicetosser1]

 

 

im not being inactive so im not sure how you'd use it here PLUS ive worked hard over the years to lose that tell. 

 

if you wanna use an outdated tell go ahead  but I dont think you can legitimately say ive been inactive this game

Oh no doubt it's a crappy tell for you nowadays, that doesn't mean it is baseless.

 

What have you done that you think really shows your alignment?

this was the last question in your conversation. It looked like you were going back and forth and he just vanished when you ask something game related that actually required thought.

 

Just POOF.

 

also I think your new avatar should be Marvin the robot from Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy.

 

 

 

i knew there was something i had to respond to with him but i was at work and didnt get to it then couldnt remember what it was

 

 

 

@darthe   ive been active  ive asked questions ive worked to understand the argument lenlo was making ive consistently voted seph which some associate as a tell

 

 

 

about to go to work  page 144

[dicetosser1]

i already know it turin   i only argued about how often you see a town BD

 

on DM ive only seen one i can think of

[Darthe]

 

Oh. Shad. You asked something about feelings between Zander1.0 and Zander2.0

 

I feel like Zander2.0 hasn't been around much, and that worries me.

Zander 457 Shad_ 399 Sili Quirrels 327 BlomBesie 282 Lenlo 236 Eldrick4221 205 Turin Turambar 191 seph 186 Darthe 136 Nynaeve 101 dicetosser1 96 Thane Vakarian 95 Celeste 69 Sooh 50 Hallia 35 Kivam 30

 

Wanna try that again Eld?

 

Also according to the CCSoHW Penny prolly Scum.

This is a bad argument.

[Zander?]

 

 

Oh. Shad. You asked something about feelings between Zander1.0 and Zander2.0

 

I feel like Zander2.0 hasn't been around much, and that worries me.

Zander 457 Shad_ 399 Sili Quirrels 327 BlomBesie 282 Lenlo 236 Eldrick4221 205 Turin Turambar 191 seph 186 Darthe 136 Nynaeve 101 dicetosser1 96 Thane Vakarian 95 Celeste 69 Sooh 50 Hallia 35 Kivam 30

 

Wanna try that again Eld?

 

Also according to the CCSoHW Penny prolly Scum.

This is a bad argument.

 

 

Didnt you use the same thing against Dice Darthe....?????

[Darthe]

 

 

I'm not letting myself get lynched over my EoD. I'm town and really don't believe Turin's claim.

Can you show what you've done this game that was townie?

Can you show me what you've done this game that was Townie?

sure, its easy enough.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Almost to eod! Bets are y'all lynched bessie and she was town?

Awful post.

How so? Id argue that this predatory and predictable response is worse

Then youd be wrong.

 

Its awful cause its like you already know what happened and that you were also sussing Besie as well iirc.

You could read me catch up and respond post by post. This entire argument only works if you're already assuming im lying which, pro-tip, townies dont assume.