[Advanced] Salem Mafia - GAME OVER - MAFIA WIN

[Shad_]

You think I am a wolf for my reaction to you. Did you bother to read it? I know that's asking a lot.

[Shad_]

Tell me what's wrong with it Thane. Explain to me why your play makes any sense as town.

[Shad_]

@ p19, I can't hate on Zander-styler for having the same concerns about your slot that I did. I recognize players get sick and it impacts their content, but the few pop-ins she did make were weird at best, and I don't think it's particularly towny to try and look slightly involved when you're clearly not paying attention vs just straight up saying you can't focus.

 

With possibly four anti-town in the field and others looking decent enough, pretty reasonable to suss her imo.

 

Of course, you're here now, and if you're town we need you to show it, but being a bit omgusy towards people sussing your slot isn't a great start.

[Shad_]

Apparently auto-correct turns "Zander" into "Zander-styler". Makes sense.

[seph]

Apparently auto-correct turns "Zander" into "Zander-styler". Makes sense.

It's what happens when zander takes control of other people bodies through this forum lolololol.

 

As for the above post shad, it was my current thoughts on the game before I even took over the slot, so I can't help that.

I don't understand why people think OMGUS is something negative. To be honest you see more townies do this than not, especialy early game. because of the fact they know they are wrongly accused and get upset. 

 

shad you and Dice say you want me to show you im town, I gave you my rundown of what I thought was important, and how I feel about each player. up until this point and I don't see a better lynch than zander. I understand you want thane but at best he is a nuetral survivor of some sorts, that can still win with the town. and I believe he would do so.

 

that's what I am getting out of the situation here with thane at least.

[Shad_]

 

I would really like people to give lists so I know everyone's thoughts on others. it seems like alot of people are tunneling which is fine to a extent.

 

shad or bfg could move up after I look into them more, and dice down. he has a decent chance to be neutral i think.

 

(bfg shad and thane could all be switched around)

Dice- I really like his early game, he doesn't seem to be forcing anything, looks to be assessing situations from multiple angles. however, Turin had a post about him not taking any direct stance. its kind of weird to not see him dig his claws into someone yet.

 

Thane[/color]- post 22 +ev tone sounds good, I don't see wolf thane ever posting like this. post about shad wolf is very generic. was towny until the ate. still ahead of most, his tone as a wolf is usually aweful,

he sounds sincere in his posts.

BFG- I need to reread, but I like her tone and I remember seeing a few posts i liked. (need to reread) Could be neutral and killed sili. (tinfoil stuff)

 

shad- really dug into thane, locked in his vote without questioning him until pages later when thane had went mia. wants to deter my lynch, but would still lynch me.

I really disliked his early game, but started to like him more as the game went on. I have him here, as me being wary.

 

Turin- one post i mentioned with dice I liked, but I need to re read. he isn't taking a lead role which he does as both town, and mafia. pushing in a direction. he is playing more like his sk game where he won with me at the end.

 

 

hally- Early game was lackluster, seemed to be piggybacking on shad towards thane without adding much original content. early vote on turin seemed like grasping, though she stuck to her guns and is still there. I wound likt to hear more on others besides turin. haly turin not w/w

zander explained most already.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe was killed by Mafia. This role has been cleaned.

 

Nothing was found with his body.

 

 

 

Sili was killed by Serial Killer. His role was Escort.

 

The following was left in his Will:

 

 

Msg

 

Rbd bfg

 

Darthe dice shad seem town from whispers and other stuff.

 

Lynch lil pls.

Blackmailer - Mafia Support - Give someone a PR for the following day.

Consigliere - Mafia Support - Mafia-aligned Investigator.

Consort - Mafia Support - Roleblock someone each night.

Framer - Mafia Deception - Choose one person to frame each night. (They will view as Mafia – Framer)

Godfather - Mafia Killing - Assign someone to be killed each night. Will submit the Nightkill personally if there isn't a Mafioso.

Janitor - Mafia Deception - Choose a person to clean each night, if they die. 3X cleanings

Mafioso - Mafia Killing - Night Kill. Carry out the Godfather's orders, if applicable.

Mafia got off two actions--a killing action and a Janitor action. Serial Killer got off a kill. So BFG can only be town or the Neutral Any slot.

This is very true, it doesn't look like she can be mafia. I thought i disliked it until i just checked again.

Darthe had light town reads on Dice/Sili, tested Hallia and Shad, I quite liked their initial reactions.

 

Sili was suspicious of Lily, and town reading Dice/Darthe.

 

I can't see any obvious smoking guns

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

shad admitting sk :) lolololol

Plus side to this field is I only need confident villa reads on 3-4 of you to have a pretty decent shot at lynching non-towns.

Im not sure how i feel here, i keep flip flopping on my read with you.

Has anyone ever seen Thane hop into a game and say "x player must be scum cause he wasn't the first night kill?"

Have you ever seen him do this as mafia? many people misread thane for reasons, and used to be a mislynch in most of the older games. Cory is the only one i think who can read him correctly almost every time. I don't think im that bad at reading him, but i think tone is more improtant than content with thane.

I would like to see the town thane that i played in my last game with!

Thanks Shad, reading is hard. XD

 

Thane that is not good reasoning. You're saying that scum didn't target someone who as you say, is good at solving and there for likely to be protected?

piggybacking off shad.

 

Turin, I don't understand your vote. Can you explain it in other words, please?

Have you said or done anything this game reads wise?

 

Im not being a jerk i just dont recall anything.

explained how i felt here

 

Lol, rolefishing ey? I'm not the mayor, but i can be essential to town for all that matters.

 

You underestimate yourself, Shad, willingly.

 

As for your too easy comment: same could be said about that vote on me

 

It's true that i usually don't enter a game with statements like "X is wolf"....

 

But I only have one thing to say about that:

 

maybe thane could be nuetral with this??? hmm missed this before.

Mmmm. That's not bad logic, Shad. I could be tempted to vote Thane. But for now I'm not letting Turin off the hook just yet.

This almost makes me want to vote you here and now. I used this before as a wolf, a nice layback in case you need to switch at the last minute to say look! but i said i would switch

Or maybe I chose to play differently, seeing i'm trying to actually give you something to work with in the little time i can be here?

 

Once again, Shad, lynching me would be... not that good.

 

But,who am I kidding, right? " It's Thane, he's scummy, let's kill him and just not believe he actually might be telling the truth. "

 

Sometimes I really wonder why I even try....

 

Back to my previous gameplay MO, perhaps? Just lurk my way through the game, make excellent reads list noboby believes, hammer a wolf and try not to get lynched? I can do that too. Buh bye

 

#somuchfortryingsomethingnew

ate... ugh it at least sounds sincere, though im sure he was legit angry. so I don't think it sways me on his alignment.

 

So I won't get an answer from Turin til tomorrow. I find him parking and then not explaining to be sketchy.

I do like the pressure, but I want to see more thoughts than on turin or just following shad on thane.

Turin mostly MIA.

 

Lily mostly MIA.

 

Thane scummy.

 

Zander being aloof. Neutral party?

 

BFG mostly MIA but spewed non-mafia non-SK by Sili's death note unless I'm missing a mechanic.

 

Dice towny, Hallia eternally hard to read but looking better than most of the field.

 

GOAT D1 solve would be GOAT.

yaay a list!

 

On phone now and not dealing with all those multiquotes.

 

@ Turin he answered on the previous page. It doesn't make terribly much sense. Darthe is a strong player but no obvious reason to be the NK so :???:. I want to know why there was an obvious reason I should have been the NK instead.

 

I explained Z last night, what concerns you with Dice?

I just went thru Dice's ISO. it is very short and most of the posts feel like pop-ins. The only thing that has any meat on it is the voting procedure thing. Take another look at him when you can. It will take less than 15 minutes.

 

Also He doesn't seem to have any interest in lynching anyone but isn't really defending anyone either. At least that is my opinion.

I really like this post from turin

 

 

its that role type talk basically i think he gets sorted by NAs

Why? He didn't claim anything. He hinted at a PR. Every town in this game is roled, so if he wanted to hint at VT instead lolhim.

This it was the way he hinted it i think he made himself a target

agreed here. tomorrow helps sort thane i think.

 

 

 

I don't think I've ever seen you scum, but A for effort here. It's a good look.

 

Regarding Thane, I'm hit or miss reading him. I think his game varies a lot from one game to the next as either alignment. I have never felt this sure he was scum in any game before. You can tone read him to an extent, but sooner or later you have to stop and ask does this behavior make any sense whatsoever as town?

 

I've explained why it doesn't, repeatedly. Thane ignored my reasons and omgus'd. No one else has refuted it. Thane has never OMGUS'd on me for misreading him scum in the past and knows I'm a pretty reasonable guy willing to reconsider pretty much anything. Give me a better reason than 'tone' to call him town.

 

The kills were mod-confirmed Mafia and SK. BFG was RB'd. She could be anti-town in the Neutral-Any slot, but she didn't shoot Sili. As of this post there's almost nothing to go on her with. I see she posted more later.

 

I like Zander in this game. I've agreed with pretty much everything he's said and I know the lower activity level is not normal for him as either alignment. Could be 3p or could be a consequence of playing two games at the same time, but it's not a scum tell.

 

Hallia could be sheeping? But I felt she was trying to feel out other slots rather than committing to reads and rolling with that. I like it.

 

Turin I don't remember terribly well, which could be an issue. I dunno. What he came back with sat decently with me in the moment and now I don't really remember it besides sussing Dice. I need to look at him again.

 

Dice not wanting to lynch the top two suspects imo and being unable to really explain why is concerning. Again, need to look at him again.

 

Hallia Zander BFG probably town or Neutral-Any slot at worst.

 

You look better. I'd move you up with Turin, and move Dice down to the same.

 

Thane is probably scum.

[Shad_]

@ Seph, do you think a Survivor would suss me this early? I'm loud, if nothing else. It's a move that's going to draw attention to him whatever my alignment. I don't think Thane fits a Survivor billet here.

 

irt OMGUS, I've seen it both ways, probably more from town than from scum, but I think the whole term is kind of misleading. Players rarely cast a true emo vote. Towns return fire when they think a push on them is scummy. Scum do when they think they can discredit their attacker. My main issue was that your slot was suspicious and Zander was calling out the same things that bugged me, but his way of presenting it was weak and easy to push back on.

 

But you've since gone on to post some pretty thorough thoughts on the game and I'm not keen on lynching you today.

 

I need to look at what exactly you said about Zander again, but I recall it being mostly an issue with lack of explaining himself much? You've brought up meta on other players often enough; do you think that's indicative of scum!Z?

[Shad_]

But his thinking here doesn't address why Shad wouldn't be targeted by SK if mafia or by mafia if SK.

This was something I wanted to see if Thane came around to on his own. He didn't, and I think he's been mostly avoiding the topic in general.

[Shad_]

Shad do you think mafia Thane calls you mafia out of the blue?

Possibly. I think that as a Survivor trying to fly under the radar he wouldn't. I'm not sure the same applies for Mafia, since there is more of a need to spread doubt and he came at me pretty soft. He could have had a basic plan to say the same about any strong player not alligned with him who survived the night.

 

Like nothing he said wouldn't apply to Darthe, or Sili, or Zander, or probably you.

 

He might have predicted a little maneagable backlash, but probably nothing to the extent that I blew this up into. I've gone off like this a few times (AJ in NBC and Zander in WoW come to mind) but it's usually safe to predict a soft reaction to a soft push out of me.

[Shad_]

 

I have a modest expectation for BFG.

 

I should be in and out all day. Hopefully things pick up here a bit.

Only modest? :(

That was specific. You voted Zander without explanation. You tend to call me out when I don't comment on this sort of thing, and I didn't.

 

So yeah, 'modest'. That might still be an overstatement tbf. :P

[dicetosser1]

 

 

now  as to lily

 

I ve had to change my mind when i realised that Darthe was the mafia kill. I was thinking sili was and thought that too obvious  so thought it was setting lily up.

 

 

3 man solve?

 

not not not you other then that i got nothing at this point   possibly not lily

 

 

 

Is that really all you <Lily> have to comment on so far? 

 

mindmeld

 

 

 

@turin   that number 1 u asked if i answered?  i answered Zander because i said i had a thought but i didnt answer that comment of hallys cause i thought it was aimed at zander

 

the frame idea

 i had sili v lily in mind  didnt even realise darthe had commented on her. i still think her being framed is possible cause they killed DARTHE. they couldnt know that sili would die and killing darthe and leaving sili alive would mean more pressure on lily

 

 

does that make sense?

 

 

im not liking lilys play at all but i dont think shes the SK  and as i said my frame idea largely went out the window when i realised it was Darthe. 

 

I do think it still unlikely she is mafia cause like i said  mafia didnt kill the person howling for her lynch and couldnt know hed die

 

 

 

The cavalry has arrived

 

slaps seph upside the back of the head

 

welcome back. 

 

Now get over to the Band and sign roll call then get back here and convince me why u shouldnt be lynched.

 

 

 

 

[v] Dice[/v]

 

That above post rings all kinds of wrong. You didn't want to lynch Lily when it was her slot but now that Seph joins (welcome Seph BTW) and has started to actually do the work people were looking for from that slot you are telling him to show why he shouldn't be lynched?

 

He is already on the way there IMO.

 

*inb4 you say you aren't voting him. it is your tone that is wrong here.

 

Out for a bit. Having a walk about Leeds.

 

what have i been saying about lily?? that i dont want to lynch her AT THIS TIME. I  even said in an earlier answer to Zander i think it was that if i had to id lynch her today    but i dont want too today

 

then theres the fact that people have been wanting to lynch lily so seph NEEDS to convince people why he shouldnt be lynched. including me.

 

 

 

Dice can you explain how you go from thinking Lily isn't mafia because you thought mafia killed Sili to 'set her up' to thinking Lily isn't mafia because mafia didn't kill Lily?

 

Can you explain why you think an SK might not take the same approach (set someone up)?

 

 

ok  so we have all probably seen this in the past   mafia kill the loudest voice in the game trying to get someone NOT mafia lynched in order to frame that somebody with the added bonus of shutting up the loudest voice.

 

so thats what i thought happened   until i realised 2 things. A it wasnt the mafia kill. and B that the SK did not try to kill sili.

 

After all sili was loud and likely to get someone lynched  the sk WANTS bodies on the floor as long as its not the sks. taking out a loud person who is likely to get a lynch is more hinderance then help

 

so basically  lily is not the sk imo  she MIGHT be mafia but honestly that hasnt really been shown yet...she had so little thread presence that it would have basically been lynching an inactive

[dicetosser1]

when is DL?

[Shad_]

Does that really make sense considering Sili wanted to lynch Lily?

[dicetosser1]

which bit shad?

[seph]

I'm here for just a min and say something I wanted to reply to.

 

Shad please list everything zander has posted that you like please.

He has no game solve this game, and has literally only posted any game content towards lily. Which usually some like, "is that all you have". Or asking her to be more present. Which these thing are all pretty obvious imo. Lily didn't have much, if any game presence.

 

I'm just trying to figure out why you are defending him. If I missed something that you saw, I would appreciate if you share it.

 

If not I'm pushing his lynch tomorrow.

[Shad_]

when is DL?

You said Lily would want a player like Sili around to push lynches on other players. But as things stood at N0 he was likely to push Lily, so that reasoning doesn't really work.

[Shad_]

@ Seph, I can do that. I'm on mobile still but hold me to it tonight.

[Eldrick4221]

 

when is DL?

 

 

 

 

Vote counts

 

Zander (2) - BFG, seph
Thane (1) - Shad

Dice (1) - Turin

Not voting: Everyone else.

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to start the Voting Phase.

Day 1 Ends on Sunday at 5pm.

[Eldrick4221]

A reminder that if no majority is reached, there won't be a lynch.

[Zander?]

@ p19, I can't hate on Zander-styler for having the same concerns about your slot that I did. I recognize players get sick and it impacts their content, but the few pop-ins she did make were weird at best, and I don't think it's particularly towny to try and look slightly involved when you're clearly not paying attention vs just straight up saying you can't focus.

 

With possibly four anti-town in the field and others looking decent enough, pretty reasonable to suss her imo.

 

Of course, you're here now, and if you're town we need you to show it, but being a bit omgusy towards people sussing your slot isn't a great start.

 

 

Apparently auto-correct turns "Zander" into "Zander-styler". Makes sense.

 

Shad's prolly Town imo.

 

Me and Shad seeing eye to eye makes me feel good about him.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

now  as to lily

 

I ve had to change my mind when i realised that Darthe was the mafia kill. I was thinking sili was and thought that too obvious  so thought it was setting lily up.

 

 

3 man solve?

 

not not not you other then that i got nothing at this point   possibly not lily

 

 

 

Is that really all you <Lily> have to comment on so far? 

 

mindmeld

 

 

 

@turin   that number 1 u asked if i answered?  i answered Zander because i said i had a thought but i didnt answer that comment of hallys cause i thought it was aimed at zander

 

the frame idea

 i had sili v lily in mind  didnt even realise darthe had commented on her. i still think her being framed is possible cause they killed DARTHE. they couldnt know that sili would die and killing darthe and leaving sili alive would mean more pressure on lily

 

 

does that make sense?

 

 

im not liking lilys play at all but i dont think shes the SK  and as i said my frame idea largely went out the window when i realised it was Darthe. 

 

I do think it still unlikely she is mafia cause like i said  mafia didnt kill the person howling for her lynch and couldnt know hed die

 

 

 

The cavalry has arrived

 

slaps seph upside the back of the head

 

welcome back. 

 

Now get over to the Band and sign roll call then get back here and convince me why u shouldnt be lynched.

 

 

 

 

[v] Dice[/v]

 

That above post rings all kinds of wrong. You didn't want to lynch Lily when it was her slot but now that Seph joins (welcome Seph BTW) and has started to actually do the work people were looking for from that slot you are telling him to show why he shouldn't be lynched?

 

He is already on the way there IMO.

 

*inb4 you say you aren't voting him. it is your tone that is wrong here.

 

Out for a bit. Having a walk about Leeds.

 

what have i been saying about lily?? that i dont want to lynch her AT THIS TIME. I  even said in an earlier answer to Zander i think it was that if i had to id lynch her today    but i dont want too today

 

then theres the fact that people have been wanting to lynch lily so seph NEEDS to convince people why he shouldnt be lynched. including me.

 

 

 

Dice can you explain how you go from thinking Lily isn't mafia because you thought mafia killed Sili to 'set her up' to thinking Lily isn't mafia because mafia didn't kill Lily?

 

Can you explain why you think an SK might not take the same approach (set someone up)?

 

 

ok  so we have all probably seen this in the past   mafia kill the loudest voice in the game trying to get someone NOT mafia lynched in order to frame that somebody with the added bonus of shutting up the loudest voice.

 

so thats what i thought happened   until i realised 2 things. A it wasnt the mafia kill. and B that the SK did not try to kill sili.

 

After all sili was loud and likely to get someone lynched  the sk WANTS bodies on the floor as long as its not the sks. taking out a loud person who is likely to get a lynch is more hinderance then help

 

so basically  lily is not the sk imo  she MIGHT be mafia but honestly that hasnt really been shown yet...she had so little thread presence that it would have basically been lynching an inactive

 

 

Im not following any of this.

 

Why cant Lily be SK iyo?

[dicetosser1]

 

when is DL?

You said Lily would want a player like Sili around to push lynches on other players. But as things stood at N0 he was likely to push Lily, so that reasoning doesn't really work.

 

 

No i didnt I said the SK would want a player like sili around

[dicetosser1]

reread it zander particularly point B

[Shad_]

 

 

when is DL?

You said Lily would want a player like Sili around to push lynches on other players. But as things stood at N0 he was likely to push Lily, so that reasoning doesn't really work.

 

 

No i didnt I said the SK would want a player like sili around

 

 

I guess I could have been more clear here: You said if Lily was SK she would want a player like Sili around to push lynches on other players.

 

Make sense now?

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

now  as to lily

 

I ve had to change my mind when i realised that Darthe was the mafia kill. I was thinking sili was and thought that too obvious  so thought it was setting lily up.

 

 

3 man solve?

 

not not not you other then that i got nothing at this point   possibly not lily

 

 

 

Is that really all you <Lily> have to comment on so far? 

 

mindmeld

 

 

 

@turin   that number 1 u asked if i answered?  i answered Zander because i said i had a thought but i didnt answer that comment of hallys cause i thought it was aimed at zander

 

the frame idea

 i had sili v lily in mind  didnt even realise darthe had commented on her. i still think her being framed is possible cause they killed DARTHE. they couldnt know that sili would die and killing darthe and leaving sili alive would mean more pressure on lily

 

 

does that make sense?

 

 

im not liking lilys play at all but i dont think shes the SK  and as i said my frame idea largely went out the window when i realised it was Darthe. 

 

I do think it still unlikely she is mafia cause like i said  mafia didnt kill the person howling for her lynch and couldnt know hed die

 

 

 

The cavalry has arrived

 

slaps seph upside the back of the head

 

welcome back. 

 

Now get over to the Band and sign roll call then get back here and convince me why u shouldnt be lynched.

 

 

 

 

[v] Dice[/v]

 

That above post rings all kinds of wrong. You didn't want to lynch Lily when it was her slot but now that Seph joins (welcome Seph BTW) and has started to actually do the work people were looking for from that slot you are telling him to show why he shouldn't be lynched?

 

He is already on the way there IMO.

 

*inb4 you say you aren't voting him. it is your tone that is wrong here.

 

Out for a bit. Having a walk about Leeds.

 

what have i been saying about lily?? that i dont want to lynch her AT THIS TIME. I  even said in an earlier answer to Zander i think it was that if i had to id lynch her today    but i dont want too today

 

then theres the fact that people have been wanting to lynch lily so seph NEEDS to convince people why he shouldnt be lynched. including me.

 

 

 

Dice can you explain how you go from thinking Lily isn't mafia because you thought mafia killed Sili to 'set her up' to thinking Lily isn't mafia because mafia didn't kill Lily?

 

Can you explain why you think an SK might not take the same approach (set someone up)?

 

 

ok  so we have all probably seen this in the past   mafia kill the loudest voice in the game trying to get someone NOT mafia lynched in order to frame that somebody with the added bonus of shutting up the loudest voice.

 

so thats what i thought happened   until i realised 2 things. A it wasnt the mafia kill. and B that the SK did not try to kill sili.

 

After all sili was loud and likely to get someone lynched  the sk WANTS bodies on the floor as long as its not the sks. taking out a loud person who is likely to get a lynch is more hinderance then help

 

so basically  lily is not the sk imo  she MIGHT be mafia but honestly that hasnt really been shown yet...she had so little thread presence that it would have basically been lynching an inactive

 

 

This is what you quoted.

 

Highlight for me where i said if Lily was the SK.