[Basic] Bolshevik Mafia - TOWN WINS

[BFG]

wasn't around earlier to talk, and i gotta get up again in 5-ish hours to go to work... I'll try to read at work and see what happens while i'm away

 

 

I think my focus tonight is going to be Hallia, Calder, Laine, Thane.

well, i think you're right about 75% of that. Take me off that list, and it'd be good *nods*

 

Now... just wanna leave this here:

 

 

 

Like i stated earlier... it's a game.... yo

 

 

 

Thane! Is my super secret town tell I have on you actually going to be useful this game? Stay tuned? XD

 

Can you talk more about Sooh?

[BFG]

 

 

Manbat is still around I see. Telling people to lynch me, which I respect, with no reasoning provided ever which he doesnt do. So its spite?

So you have reasoning for voting me? :)

 

No. Not at all. But, I have always been a gut reader. Manbat isnt. He spews out his reasons and tries to show his thought process. He only did it once with me and his post didnt make any sense.

 

So AOL is atypical of your town game?

[Calder]

I would like to refute the concept that gut reading = not having to provide substance to back your actions.

 

It does not.

Your right. And when they can be I do. When its gut and POE though that is all it is. Regardless, my point is that manbat doesnt do that. So his behavior is odd.

[Sooh]

More Lenlo quotes:

 

 

 

#437 - Previously she had said Soohs read was ok, or atleast implied it, because Sooh had waffled on her. Now shes saying that even if placement doesnt mean anything its odd. Why? You seemed ok with it before.

 

 

 

 

 

Which she has waffled on.

 

Sooh, what did you dislike?

Waffling on a solid green town read is also bad. If it was a light green, or a null or something, fine. But your third highest town read? Thats questionable.

 

Yah.  Even if placement on the list didn't mean anything, it's odd.

 

Did you even read it as though she was defending my read in that initial post at the time? It looks here like you're agreeing with her that waffling is bad, which I read her initial post to mean. This seems to be consistent with this later post of Hallia's. Her later vote because of this never pinged me as a non-town Hallia.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

Heck, I mean, even how slow this Hallia lynch is moving seems to be telling that she's a wolf, but there are forces pulling in other directions resisting it.

That assumes town competence pushing the other direction.  Full discretion, my head is all over the place this game.  Things just aren't clicking for me like normal.

 

So you're voting Hallia, but you're not sure she's scum?

 

Yes.  I've grown less confident in my vote over the day and I wasn't sure to begin with.  You understand the premise here is that town has uncertainty, yes?

 

I do. I just don't know when this doubt crept in and what caused you to doubt something you arguably were pushing just a couple of hours ago. Can you explain why you are doubting she's a wolf now?

 

When reading back I found it really odd that she mentioned Eldrick having Zander as his peek then (assuming her a wolf) elected to not kill Eldrick.  I also thought that the pushes Len was giving while she was on her phone didn't lend any weight to the case against her, which could be at least partially explained by her just not liking me.  I've evidence on thread that it goes either way.  

 

My main reasons for wanting her gone came from ISOing myself and seeing all the things I thought were strange early game that she never responded to, combined with the very opportunistic vote and scapegoat of using me to avoid doing any actual work.  

 

In essence, I still think it more likely that Hally is a wolf than random chance, which is to say that I consider her the most probable wolf given my current PoV, but I'm not content to rest on that read seeing how splintered this roster is on most things.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

Heck, I mean, even how slow this Hallia lynch is moving seems to be telling that she's a wolf, but there are forces pulling in other directions resisting it.

That assumes town competence pushing the other direction.  Full discretion, my head is all over the place this game.  Things just aren't clicking for me like normal.

 

So you're voting Hallia, but you're not sure she's scum?

 

Yes.  I've grown less confident in my vote over the day and I wasn't sure to begin with.  You understand the premise here is that town has uncertainty, yes?

 

I do. I just don't know when this doubt crept in and what caused you to doubt something you arguably were pushing just a couple of hours ago. Can you explain why you are doubting she's a wolf now?

 

When reading back I found it really odd that she mentioned Eldrick having Zander as his peek then (assuming her a wolf) elected to not kill Eldrick.  I also thought that the pushes Len was giving while she was on her phone didn't lend any weight to the case against her, which could be at least partially explained by her just not liking me.  I've evidence on thread that it goes either way.  

 

My main reasons for wanting her gone came from ISOing myself and seeing all the things I thought were strange early game that she never responded to, combined with the very opportunistic vote and scapegoat of using me to avoid doing any actual work.  

 

In essence, I still think it more likely that Hally is a wolf than random chance, which is to say that I consider her the most probable wolf given my current PoV, but I'm not content to rest on that read seeing how splintered this roster is on most things.

 

Thank you. 

 

This is a very good post. I like it a lot.

[Darthe]

 

I would like to refute the concept that gut reading = not having to provide substance to back your actions.

 

It does not.

Your right. And when they can be I do. When its gut and POE though that is all it is. Regardless, my point is that manbat doesnt do that. So his behavior is odd.

 

We have over 90 pages of content..

[Sili Quirrels]

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lenlo you are in tunnel mode. please stop.

[Calder]

 

 

 

Manbat is still around I see. Telling people to lynch me, which I respect, with no reasoning provided ever which he doesnt do. So its spite?

So you have reasoning for voting me? :)

No. Not at all. But, I have always been a gut reader. Manbat isnt. He spews out his reasons and tries to show his thought process. He only did it once with me and his post didnt make any sense.

So AOL is atypical of your town game?

I dont think I have typical scum or town games. I make arbitrary pre-game decisions on how I will act in any game pre-alignment check and stick to them to screw with meta readers.

 

Example:

1. Claim scum or town?

2. Do lists or refuse?

3. Lock onto someone or be open to reads?

 

Still try but mess with it bc it helps me and spices up mafia.

[Darthe]

@Sooh, I do have reasons, I'm just maybe not doing the best job conveying them?  

[Shad_]

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Thane (1): Laine

Hallia (3): Lenlo, Darthe, Sili

Calder (2): manbat, Eldrick

BFG (1): Calder

Lenlo (1): Hallia

 

Not Voting: BFG, Sooh, Thane

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

☭☭☭☭☭☭

 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

I would like to refute the concept that gut reading = not having to provide substance to back your actions.

 

It does not.

Your right. And when they can be I do. When its gut and POE though that is all it is. Regardless, my point is that manbat doesnt do that. So his behavior is odd.

 

We have over 90 pages of content..

 

at 20 posts/page that is 18 pages on pog. You usually only need 5.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

Manbat is still around I see. Telling people to lynch me, which I respect, with no reasoning provided ever which he doesnt do. So its spite?

So you have reasoning for voting me? :)

No. Not at all. But, I have always been a gut reader. Manbat isnt. He spews out his reasons and tries to show his thought process. He only did it once with me and his post didnt make any sense.

So AOL is atypical of your town game?

I dont think I have typical scum or town games. I make arbitrary pre-game decisions on how I will act in any game pre-alignment check and stick to them to screw with meta readers.

 

Example:

1. Claim scum or town?

2. Do lists or refuse?

3. Lock onto someone or be open to reads?

 

Still try but mess with it bc it helps me and spices up mafia.

 

Why would you make those pre-game?  

[Calder]

 

 

I would like to refute the concept that gut reading = not having to provide substance to back your actions.

 

It does not.

 

Your right. And when they can be I do. When its gut and POE though that is all it is. Regardless, my point is that manbat doesnt do that. So his behavior is odd.

We have over 90 pages of content..

We have 90 pages - on that we agree. Low content game.

[Lenlo]

Unmarked quotes from Lenlo's Hallia ISO post #1280

 

 

#427 - Defends Soohs read of her by saying shes waffled on it, so its somehow ok to put Hallia in her dark green? If Hallia flips wolf take a good look at Sooh imo. Its some soft defense from each onto the other.

 

 

 

Which she has waffled on.

 

Sooh, what did you dislike?

 

This is the post in question. How is Hallia defending my read of her, and how does this mean that Hallia and I could be connected as you suggest here? Is asking me to provide reasons for my suspecting her and putting her lower in my list somehow defending her? I don't get this comment, Len.

 

To me it seems like she's prompting me to get into an explanation which she can later refute.

To me it seems like she is trying to get me to back off you, by going "Yeah its eh but its mostly good. Dont worry bout it."

Also im not linking you explicity, your not the focus of the iso/case. She is. I was going into what Hallia might be doing as a wolf in regards to you.

 

More Lenlo quotes:

 

 

 

#437 - Previously she had said Soohs read was ok, or atleast implied it, because Sooh had waffled on her. Now shes saying that even if placement doesnt mean anything its odd. Why? You seemed ok with it before.

 

 

 

 

 

Which she has waffled on.

 

Sooh, what did you dislike?

Waffling on a solid green town read is also bad. If it was a light green, or a null or something, fine. But your third highest town read? Thats questionable.

 

Yah.  Even if placement on the list didn't mean anything, it's odd.

 

Did you even read it as though she was defending my read in that initial post at the time? It looks here like you're agreeing with her that waffling is bad, which I read her initial post to mean. This seems to be consistent with this later post of Hallia's. Her later vote because of this never pinged me as a non-town Hallia.

Waffling is bad, but as I said, I think she was using it to defend you and get me to back off abit. The effort is sub-standard imo.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

I would like to refute the concept that gut reading = not having to provide substance to back your actions.

 

It does not.

Your right. And when they can be I do. When its gut and POE though that is all it is. Regardless, my point is that manbat doesnt do that. So his behavior is odd.

 

We have over 90 pages of content..

 

at 20 posts/page that is 18 pages on pog. You usually only need 5.

 

This did nothing for the point.  Interesting, though!

[Lenlo]

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lenlo you are in tunnel mode. please stop.

Shes a wolf. Show me shes not a wolf beyond a shadow of a doubt and ill back off. When I get a wolf though, I hammer them until something comes out or they get lynched. Its what I do.

[Calder]

 

 

 

 

 

Manbat is still around I see. Telling people to lynch me, which I respect, with no reasoning provided ever which he doesnt do. So its spite?

 

So you have reasoning for voting me? :)

No. Not at all. But, I have always been a gut reader. Manbat isnt. He spews out his reasons and tries to show his thought process. He only did it once with me and his post didnt make any sense.

So AOL is atypical of your town game?

I dont think I have typical scum or town games. I make arbitrary pre-game decisions on how I will act in any game pre-alignment check and stick to them to screw with meta readers.

Example:

1. Claim scum or town?

2. Do lists or refuse?

3. Lock onto someone or be open to reads?

Still try but mess with it bc it helps me and spices up mafia.

Why would you make those pre-game?

Because it is the only way its effective. Meta works despite people trying to fight it, bc subconciously we act differently in different situations and with different motives.

 

By making my decisions on everything from playfulness to hunting style before my role PM comes in I eliminate the possibility of my subconcious overriding my plan with new motivations.

[Sooh]

I have issues with Hallia not backing up her initial and second Darthe vote with anything. Even if it is a gut read it can be backed up with reasoning, and I feel like she hasn't done that. Yes, Darthe was scum in the SpoooOOooOOky game, but here he reads more like the Darthe from the game prior to that to me at least. I could be wrong, and lol!me if I am, but I'm not seeing it.

 

In SpoooOOoOOky he was not going after people like he has been here (though some of his pushes here have seemingly only one purpose, to antagonize and irritate), I rather felt like he was trying to pocket me in his wolf game, and I haven't felt that here.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

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lenlo you are in tunnel mode. please stop.

Shes a wolf. Show me shes not a wolf beyond a shadow of a doubt and ill back off. When I get a wolf though, I hammer them until something comes out or they get lynched. Its what I do.

 

your arguments are wrong. it sort of doesn't matter whether you're right when you're creating so many holes in your logic.

[Sili Quirrels]

meh. i dont want a fight. i just dont like seeing tunnels.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

I would like to refute the concept that gut reading = not having to provide substance to back your actions.

 

It does not.

Your right. And when they can be I do. When its gut and POE though that is all it is. Regardless, my point is that manbat doesnt do that. So his behavior is odd.

We have over 90 pages of content..

We have 90 pages - on that we agree. Low content game.

 

I'm not saying it's valuable but it is content.  Certainly enough for you to develop substantial opinions on most players.  BFG, for example, has over 120 posts in the game and has been one of the more content driven posters in the game.  

 

If you can't create a case that displays your points with her then you're frankly lying.

[Sooh]

@Sooh, I do have reasons, I'm just maybe not doing the best job conveying them?  

Well your response to me seemed well thought out and rather towny, supporting my read that you're town this game.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Manbat is still around I see. Telling people to lynch me, which I respect, with no reasoning provided ever which he doesnt do. So its spite?

So you have reasoning for voting me? :)

No. Not at all. But, I have always been a gut reader. Manbat isnt. He spews out his reasons and tries to show his thought process. He only did it once with me and his post didnt make any sense.

So AOL is atypical of your town game?

I dont think I have typical scum or town games. I make arbitrary pre-game decisions on how I will act in any game pre-alignment check and stick to them to screw with meta readers.

Example:

1. Claim scum or town?

2. Do lists or refuse?

3. Lock onto someone or be open to reads?

Still try but mess with it bc it helps me and spices up mafia.

Why would you make those pre-game?

Because it is the only way its effective. Meta works despite people trying to fight it, bc subconciously we act differently in different situations and with different motives.

 

By making my decisions on everything from playfulness to hunting style before my role PM comes in I eliminate the possibility of my subconcious overriding my plan with new motivations.

 

I disagree, on the premise that meta is based around your learned behaviors that work in this game and your personality which is generally immaleable. 

[Lenlo]

 

 

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lenlo you are in tunnel mode. please stop.

Shes a wolf. Show me shes not a wolf beyond a shadow of a doubt and ill back off. When I get a wolf though, I hammer them until something comes out or they get lynched. Its what I do.

 

your arguments are wrong. it sort of doesn't matter whether you're right when you're creating so many holes in your logic.

 

I disagree. Lynch her, she flips wolf and boom, done for the day.

 

I am right btw.