Volume Concerns: An Open Discussion

[alannalynn]

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:25 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:24 AM, alannalynn said:

I just want to play mafia with my friends and I want everyone to get along and have fun and that's really not too much to ask if we have to find a way to be more inclusive of everyone, you know? I don't feel it's a compromise =/

It may be a worthwhile compromise, but I am too burnt to recognize that.

 

Sili friend will you play mafia with me in the future? I like that you're on the same time schedule as me haha

[Sili Quirrels]

I feel like I just needed two people to tell me it was a good idea on some level, and now I'm fine.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:26 AM, alannalynn said:

Or even just.. like... /think/ before you post.

 

I always stop. Edit. Reread. Edit. Post.

 

My posts tend to come out much more concise and easy to read and follow than some others.

 

And CARE about the mobile users.

 

That's really just all I have to say I guess

Yes. I never.

[Zander?]

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:26 AM, alannalynn said:

Or even just.. like... /think/ before you post.

 

I always stop. Edit. Reread. Edit. Post.

 

My posts tend to come out much more concise and easy to read and follow than some others.

 

And CARE about the mobile users.

 

That's really just all I have to say I guess

 

I try but #thethinkingishard and im so reactionary and always in the moment.

 

But I am working on toning it down.  Its a work in progress but I am working at it!!!!!

[Sili Quirrels]

[Zander?]

[alannalynn]

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:27 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

I feel like I just needed two people to tell me it was a good idea on some level, and now I'm fine.

It's not bad, really I just see a lot of negatives, I'm sorry

 

Zander tries very hard.

[Eldrick4221]

I think I'm improving too. I am conscious of my volume, and try to do better. I am also conscious of mobile users and trim my mqs.

 

I need to work on the think before I post a little more, though :P

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:30 AM, alannalynn said:

 

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:27 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

I feel like I just needed two people to tell me it was a good idea on some level, and now I'm fine.

It's not bad, really I just see a lot of negatives, I'm sorry

 

Zander tries very hard.

 

I responded to all negatives with ways forward.

 

Not like it matters though.

[BFG]

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:16 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:03 AM, alannalynn said:

And this isn't attacking anyone's playstyle because everyone is valid, but it's trying to get more people in, and those here to be perhaps more concise with their thoughts..

 

The rep idea is good but it would turn into a popularity contest I think, which is generally what happens and might harm the game more than help it. Secondly, not everyone reads things the same way so the rep system would result in repping that maybe isn't even paid attention to, or isn't helpful like it should be. Besides some people slip up or make mistakes and volume sometimes conceals that but with reps, that could make it too easy to go back if the intention is to drown out the other team. Additionally who reads the thread and who just reads the highlighted posts? If playing Mafia were that simple, just show up and read other people's cliff notes, the quality of play would decrease.

 

 

Doesn't have to turn into a popularity contest. It doesn't need to be like reputation points. It can be framed different.

 

If you had the 'highlight' feature require a certain percentage of the players in the game to vote on the same post, then highlighted posts can be guaranteed to be important in the sense it's important to a lot of people.

 

If it's not paid attention to then volume is non-issue, which is fine.

 

If wolves need to rely on people not reading then that is poor. Plus our threads are sometimes hundreds and hundreds of pages long. Practically unreadable. A highlight system may just barely make it readable.

 

There will always be more value in reading every post and that will still be done, but if people can get more out of their time/s I think that's +ev.

 

But unless the 'rep' button can be made board specific then it will become a popularity thing everywhere else, and that is a problem (probably).

 

I don't know if it is possible to make it board specific, but if it isn't suspect it's a non starter :/

 

But for the situations where people absolutely can't keep up it doesn't seem like a bad idea. I guess maybe a cultural change that 'not reading every word' doesn't equal mafia could start to help as well.

[alannalynn]

...this is what happens when you multiquote too much on mobile:

 

 

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[alannalynn]

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:16 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:03 AM, alannalynn said:

And this isn't attacking anyone's playstyle because everyone is valid, but it's trying to get more people in, and those here to be perhaps more concise with their thoughts..

 

The rep idea is good but it would turn into a popularity contest I think, which is generally what happens and might harm the game more than help it. Secondly, not everyone reads things the same way so the rep system would result in repping that maybe isn't even paid attention to, or isn't helpful like it should be. Besides some people slip up or make mistakes and volume sometimes conceals that but with reps, that could make it too easy to go back if the intention is to drown out the other team. Additionally who reads the thread and who just reads the highlighted posts? If playing Mafia were that simple, just show up and read other people's cliff notes, the quality of play would decrease.

 

 

Doesn't have to turn into a popularity contest. It doesn't need to be like reputation points. It can be framed different.

 

If you had the 'highlight' feature require a certain percentage of the players in the game to vote on the same post, then highlighted posts can be guaranteed to be important in the sense it's important to a lot of people.

 

If it's not paid attention to then volume is non-issue, which is fine.

 

If wolves need to rely on people not reading then that is poor. Plus our threads are sometimes hundreds and hundreds of pages long. Practically unreadable. A highlight system may just barely make it readable.

 

There will always be more value in reading every post and that will still be done, but if people can get more out of their time/s I think that's +ev.

Popularity contest: even framing it like that, it might happen like that. And then you have to start restricting what people "rep" or not and that's not what the intention is.

Highlighting: What is my incentive to read the thread if I can just piggyback off everyone else? Call it laziness or whatever, but sometimes I want to take the easy way out and that doesn't make me a valuable town member.

[BFG]

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:44 AM, alannalynn said:

 

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:16 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:03 AM, alannalynn said:

And this isn't attacking anyone's playstyle because everyone is valid, but it's trying to get more people in, and those here to be perhaps more concise with their thoughts..

 

The rep idea is good but it would turn into a popularity contest I think, which is generally what happens and might harm the game more than help it. Secondly, not everyone reads things the same way so the rep system would result in repping that maybe isn't even paid attention to, or isn't helpful like it should be. Besides some people slip up or make mistakes and volume sometimes conceals that but with reps, that could make it too easy to go back if the intention is to drown out the other team. Additionally who reads the thread and who just reads the highlighted posts? If playing Mafia were that simple, just show up and read other people's cliff notes, the quality of play would decrease.

 

 

Doesn't have to turn into a popularity contest. It doesn't need to be like reputation points. It can be framed different.

 

If you had the 'highlight' feature require a certain percentage of the players in the game to vote on the same post, then highlighted posts can be guaranteed to be important in the sense it's important to a lot of people.

 

If it's not paid attention to then volume is non-issue, which is fine.

 

If wolves need to rely on people not reading then that is poor. Plus our threads are sometimes hundreds and hundreds of pages long. Practically unreadable. A highlight system may just barely make it readable.

 

There will always be more value in reading every post and that will still be done, but if people can get more out of their time/s I think that's +ev.

 

Popularity contest: even framing it like that, it might happen like that. And then you have to start restricting what people "rep" or not and that's not what the intention is.

Highlighting: What is my incentive to read the thread if I can just piggyback off everyone else? Call it laziness or whatever, but sometimes I want to take the easy way out and that doesn't make me a valuable town member.

 

But the point of this is that not everyone CAN read every post.

 

Not reading every post may not make you the best town member you can possibly be, but being able to catch up faster and interact faster is probably as useful in a different way. It also shops the game from becoming a chore, sometimes I don't want to spend 4 hours reading a game every night.

[BFG]

I dunno, I don't think it's a bad idea, I can see practical difficulties but I think the idea behind it seems ok.

[alannalynn]

I don't mean it like that though. I mean it in the sense of

 

Game 1: Half the players read the thread and detail highlight what is important. The other half skip ahead and only read the highlights

Game 2: 90% of players don't read the thread in the hopes that the highlights can make things easier for them as well.

 

I mean, I understand it for someone who doesn't have the time, but I don't see the incentive for putting in ALL the work when, for example, Zander is just going to read the cliffnotes version and skips ahead or is unable to add any new content because he's reading the same rehashed stuff while I'm wasting my time reading in detail every game. So I stop reading hoping everyone else will hold me up and let me chill too.

[alannalynn]

Or maybe I'm just looking at this the wrong way but I'm sleep deprived and don't judge.

[BFG]

Lol fair, I'm pretty sure that I read every post regardless, because I'm that person

[BFG]

It's like in GnD I was completely burnt out by the weekend, keeping up was eating into my sleep... being able to alternate reading in detail with being able to 'relax' would have been really nice /shrug

[alannalynn]

  On 3/22/2016 at 8:03 AM, BFG said:

Lol fair, I'm pretty sure that I read every post regardless, because I'm that person

....I skim a bit. A lot sometimes. I skip whole pages. Tens of pages. I say I'll go back and read. But I don't.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 3/22/2016 at 7:57 AM, alannalynn said:

I don't mean it like that though. I mean it in the sense of

 

Game 1: Half the players read the thread and detail highlight what is important. The other half skip ahead and only read the highlights

Game 2: 90% of players don't read the thread in the hopes that the highlights can make things easier for them as well.

 

I mean, I understand it for someone who doesn't have the time, but I don't see the incentive for putting in ALL the work when, for example, Zander is just going to read the cliffnotes version and skips ahead or is unable to add any new content because he's reading the same rehashed stuff while I'm wasting my time reading in detail every game. So I stop reading hoping everyone else will hold me up and let me chill too.

Supply vs. Demand? The more players who don't contribute the less the system helps them.

 

Some players would highlight posts as they are made. Others would highlight when catching up, knowing the system isn't perfect. Although the first few players to read the thread would be forging a path for others to follow, sort of.

[alannalynn]

meh

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 3/22/2016 at 8:08 AM, alannalynn said:

meh

I'll be honest, I am sort of hurt.

[Sili Quirrels]

Not like 'meh' wasn't deserved though. I think it's meh too considering the practical limitations.

[Sooh]

I can only say that I know boards who have the "like" function have specific rules not to use it in mafia games while the game is still going on. I see what you're saying, Sili, and it's tough to read, reread and read again the content of specific players. Too much fluff is bad for the game I think, and I am guilty of doing that myself.

 

Later on in the game it could be wise to do what Pizza has suggested a few times, putting dead players on ignore. Usually their most valuable posts are quoted and highlighted by other people as well, so you won't miss them while going through.

 

It's a personal preference I guess. I know there are already people who go through every post and sort them into +ev and -ev. If those posters could be prompted to share those lists it might be easier to go back and look at specific posts for a player you're interested in reading more about.

[Cory Caboose]

Sili your idea doesn't work because all it would do is making the thread more confusing.

 

A lot of players need narrative context to get reads. A lot of players inherently distrust "popular trains of thoughts" and would do nothing but complain about it. Your idea only works in a 100% homogeneous Mafia culture where everyone plays the same exact way.

 

It was a cute idea but serves no practice in reality.