the Hunt for the Dragon Reborn [Standard Mafia] Game Over town wins

[Cory Caboose]

I desperately need to sleep but there's more I want to do

 

I'll be around for a little bit longer, if there's anything pressing let me know

[Shad_]

I think my avatar is making me less confident.

[Shad_]

This is ridiculous but a real thing.

[Cory Caboose]

did you forget that, yellow bird?

how could you forget your yellow bird?

she took a small silver wreath and pinned it on to me

she said, "this one will bring you love"

and i don't know if it's true

but i keep it for good luck

[Shad_]

kk we're good now

[Shad_]

I probably just locked the win.

[Calder]

Cory we getting the secret tonight?

[Cory Caboose]

No

 

Tomorrow

[Shad_]

I have a ~secret read~ I don't want to share right now.

 

I'm confident in it and you'll get it before the end of night because I noticed something I didn't before and it drastically changed my opinion of someone.

 

I'll let you all stew for now 

 

 

No

 

Tomorrow

 

Just remember night can end early.

[Cory Caboose]

Not if I hold my night action until end of night phase

 

huehuehuehue

[Cory Caboose]

... we've reached the point of sleep deprivation where i get kind of loopy.

[Calder]

Cool. Want to go to bed.

[Shad_]

Well I already submitted my shot on you so glgl

[Cory Caboose]

i was too beautiful to live

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Shaddddd is ???. No but seriously I think he's town. But I'm hesitant putting him any higher right now because I struggle a bit reading him. ISO target. I remember him being very active and involved at start of game and liking his posts but I also remember he can pull that as a wolf too so I need to go back and remind myself a bit of his actions early game.

Do you?

 

I think you had me as scum all three? times you've seen me scum by the end of D1.

 

Curious where you go with this.

 

 

Which 3 games Id like to verify this.

 

The ones I was thinking of were Pulp Fiction, Gods and Demons, and Friends.

 

 

 

I wasn't in Friends

 

Whats the other Shad?

 

I remember GnD, didnt play Pulp Fiction nor follow it.

[Shad_]

[Shad_]

The ones I was thinking of were Pulp Fiction, Gods and Demons, and Friends.

[Zander?]

Ugh

 

I think Turin really is just a villager

 

 

Actually nevermind

 

He could totally be a wolf

 

 

Thank you for clearing that up....lololololol

 

An

[Zander?]

And I read the subsequent posts

 

 

lololololol

[Zander?]

 

The ones I was thinking of were Pulp Fiction, Gods and Demons, and Friends.

 

 

 

Laine wasnt in Friends iirc,

[Shad_]

Checked it it humors you to know: DT was spoiled and Laine didn't get there until D3.

[Shad_]

 

 

The ones I was thinking of were Pulp Fiction, Gods and Demons, and Friends.

 

 

 

Laine wasnt in Friends iirc,

 

 

 

(I was mistaken.  Don't tell anybody.)

[Shad_]

 

 

 

This post is kinda sketching me out. It kinda reminds me of Chrono Trigger where I was Minority Villa with Turin,

 

He starts to build a case and push of something very weak and starts his "subtle" push.

 

Im not a fan of this,

Quick thought.

 

Turin's posting style reminds me of his last scum game. The style--how he organizes his posts and presents information.

 

But the arguments themselves, at a glance, seemed to lack a key component that was sort of his biggest tell last game. I didn't get the feeling--at least in his case on me since I didn't need to fact check--that he was spinning information. He was just making mostly null statements and concluding with a vote. I expect scum!Turin to present them in a more damning fashion.

 

And that's what I need to reevaluate tonight.

 

Like there's two really big elements of his game you can see between Chrono Trigger and his villager games (I read Friends, Supernatural and Warcraft)

 

As a wolf he generally tries to hide behind large "player" ISOs where he reads a bunch of player posts, comments and asks questions. He does this extremely often as a wolf and I remember that was one the reasons I had a jump on him reading Chrono Trigger. He is less driven to interact and when he does it's mostly fluff around those MQs where his "real gameplay" is. He asks a lot of questions, specifically to focus people away from him.

 

His villager game has a lot of bite and is very non-compliant, generally giving flack to players, interacting, having very large WTLs containing most of the game, is just sort of eccentric and literally tunes out everything except what he's thinking.

 

This game is completely mixed. His neck's out a little more here than it was in CT and he's a bit more willing to pick fights and his posting has been mostly serious (something absent in his wolf games barring the MQs and ISOs), but he's just way more villagery in the other villager games. There's a pronounced difference.

 

Here, I can see shades of his villager game but it's not all there.

 

I came to a similar conclusion when I ISO'd him last night so not entirely sure why I thought I'd come with a different conclusion. His short term posting in American Gods helped me shore up his general wolf strategy / what he tries to accomplish, but I don't see a drastic difference here.

 

I don't know. I wish I had a more confident read on that slot.

I think one major difference is that Villager!Turin constantly gives out his WTLs and is interested in the lynch and constantly remarks on gameflow, who he feels will be lynched, and what he feels people should do.

 

He's not really doing that at all here. He didn't seem to care about the d1 lynch, wasting his vote on Shad despite it being meaningless and never really trying to get anyone to vote Shad.

 

He didn't talk to me about Shad once either, which is weird for me because as long as Shad was on my village list d1 he was never getting lynched. He really hasn't talked or interacted with me at all. Maybe like once or twice over mostly inane things.

 

His early bit of posting was okay and looked more like Villager!Turin but his content really dropped off a cliff d1 and he's super uninvolved.

 

 

Potential role list shamelessly copied from Chris <3:

 

 

 

• Bodyguard - Protects from nightkills. Dies instead of target
• Bullet Proof - Cannot be NK'ed.
• Bus Driver - Redirects abilities intended for two targets to the other named player.
• Cop - Determines a player's alignment, but not their role
• CPR Doctor - Protects from nightkills. Kills target if target is NOT targeted for a NK.
• Doctor - Protects from nightkills.
• Double vote - Passive ability that gives the owner 2 votes during the day.
• Follower - Sees what action the target used, if any, but not on whom.
• Godfather - Investigates as town
• Informed Townie - Begins the game knowing another player's alignment
• Innocent Child - Mod confirmed townie
• Jack Of All Trades - Receives multiple active abilities, in limited quantities, to use
• Jailkeeper - Protects a player from night kills, but also prevents them from using an action that night.
• Lovers - players that share a QT and die together
• Masons - Town-aligned players able to communicate outside fo the game thread
• Redirector - Changes the target of the redirected player's night ability, should they use one
• Role Cop - Determines a player's role, but not their alignment
• Roleblocker - Prevents a night action from being used
• Serial Killer - Independent-aligned player with a killing ability. Wins if alive at F3
• Strongman - kill that bypasses protective roles and abilities
• Survivor - Independent-aligned player who must not die in order to win. Can win with any other player
• Tracker - Determines who a player targeted, but not what was done.
• Vanillaiser - Removes an active ability from a player. Does not influence their alignment
• Vigilante - Kills another player.
• Vote Thief - Steals a vote from another player, giving the user 2 votes for the day.
• Voyeur - Sees what actions were used on the target, but not by whom.
• Watcher - Sees who targeted the target, but not what actions were used.

 

/shrug

 

Something to consider.

[Shad_]

I'm caught up and no one else is posting, so to the Thane and Turin ISOs I go.

[alannalynn]

TURIN ISO
LINK This one is throwing me off because of the Shad suspicion. Nothing had happened besides him coming in and joining the v/v/v circle, saying he was excited to play, and wanting to play tanks. I can see where you commented on "backslapping" and him seeming overeager but I also feel like this "bad feeling" read on Shad so early is a little awkward.

Link Would like to note he comes right out defending Sooh and taking a stance against Zander asking him why he's voting her for something that's her opinion and Zander's actions can be interpreted a different way. I don't exactly see in any world where people town-core right out the gate and refuse to adjust reads. I know that Zander/me tend to read each other quickly and often at start of game but there's always an adjustment period. And if someone is lock-cleared at start of game for little reason, there is no way it's ever serious.

 

 

 

Cory

This is Zander's second post of the game and nothing has happened. How does anyone take this seriously??

Also a note that Turin seems a nervous about the green team. Link

Link Linking this because of the inside quote of Thane's irt Dice. The wording is weird. Instead of "are you town, why?" it's "are you wolf, why not?" Being that Dice flipped wolf, it's something to look at both Thane and Turin for. Thane because the wording is awkward and Turin because he pointed it out for that precise reason. Turin's next post has a little more on Thane but I'm more curious to see if Thane responds/Turin follows up. [spoiler alert: Turin asks this question three times (see below) but I don't see where Thane responds or it leads anywhere]

He brings this post up 3 times on the first page of his ISO trying to point attention at Thane's wording irt wolf!Dice. THANE: Did you ever respond to this?!

Link Turin's entire two WoTs on Shad rely on the assumption that four people are going to buddy up at start of game and town read each other for zero reason and make the town come crashing town because of deep wolves. He's villianizing Cory/Shad/Zander/Thane(?) for doing the early game buddy buddy routine in case there's a wolf there yet clearing Dice's view supporting Sooh because he' can get distracted by out of game talk.

Reads List:

9. Dice: slight town- His stance on Z/Sooh is totally null to me. I do want him back in here also and giving more thoughts.

I'm pretty sure all of Dice's game at this point was non-game related yet he has a slight town lean here. And then like, Shad is his top suspect because of this:

5. Shad: mafia- I still think that he was the main party in the early stuff that read to me like he was attempting to create a "let's all town read each other" vibe.

Which I feel is flawed reasoning. Why would a wolf want to create an environment where townies can easily read each other? You're saying that Shad is trying to deepwolf everyone and he's spreading the buddy buddy atmosphere but his entrance into the game, to me, was just friendly and jokey like /most/ games are at the start. I'm not sure where you're getting either of these reads from, tbh.

You also have Thane really low because of "too much fluff" but I haven't looked in that direction enough to decide yet, so I'm getting there. And Darthe is mafia lean because that's where you start him? WHAT? Why? He's been pretty obv villager so far this game. Other reads I generally understand. Explain a little more on Shad, Dice, Thane, Darthe though please.

Linky Did you have to read Zander town here because you were also reading Dice town?

LinkyLink There's a certain way that I want to read this which makes sense and makes me want to read Turin wolf. Imagine you join a game and you see this "clique" or "town core" forming which is extremely dangerous and you're going to take it seriously. You want to break it up. What do you do?

You support the person who has complained about the early town reads and how they're clique-y. You support the arguments of wolf!Dice and base your town read on non-content, letting him float because Dice would comment on the situation regardless. Yet you don't get flack for it because it's a legitimate stance. You try to break up the group by attacking Shad, Thane for acting like deep wolves trying ot get in on the town action even though for example, Shad's actions were nothing to worry about. You continue to have opposing reads to solidly held town members so that you aren't supporting the town core that formed early game and only got stronger. Basically a lot of his game looks like he's rejecting concensus reads in favor of being the voice that sees wolves instead of villas.

Postt This is the DADV post that I posted in my catch up and caused Cory to take a second look at Turin. I'm trying to work my mind around why he says this at all.

As mafia: last ditch effort to throw doubt on this lynch. He's been pushing the town core that they're a group of wolves who have banned together to sweep the village and it doesn't seem to be gaining any traction. He's defended Dice a little bit on Dice's arguments being non-game related but hasn't had any other reasons to be town reading him besides that from what I can tell so I'm not sure where the town read is coming from. So as mafia at this point, he's dropping the loaded "DADV" while there's still plenty of time left in the day. Or maybe he's not trying to save him? Maybe he's just throwing that out there to comment that it's a foregone lynch and he knows he can't possibly change his position at this point and vote Dice because it would be too suspicious.

As villager: Turin truly believes Dice is town, even with no reason to be doing so and thinks the town core is here to take down everyone after they coordinated on thread at the beginning of the game. By saying DADV he's clearing himself of responsibility in case this goes wrong and Dice flips villa.

He comments his WTL is Shad, Thane, Hally, Verbal. 3/4 are consensus-ly blue, iirc.

 

I want to hear from Turin, right now I'm wolf reading him.