[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

[Lenlo]

Because the circumstances are completely different and you know it.

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander, why are you reading Lenlo as mafia at this point?

 

 

Why should I not be?

 

And Ive answered this more then once.

 

On Page 2; you go from saying that wolves will follow Lenlo, implying that Lenlo is town, to saying that Lenlo is mafia because he missed your colour code thing, later you accept his reason for missing it, but still have your vote on him, except now it's for unexplained reasons. You next say 'look at where your vote is' so are finding Lenlo scummy for reasons, but they remain unexplained for a while, now you're voting him because his reaction's 'off' and because he's not noting your meta play, etc, etc and the post where you explained this was immediately before mine, so your multiple explanations don't exist :/

 

I'm not a fan of this progression Tbh. A number of your posts feel calculated, the initial attempt to clear using colour code, the posts he's making about his own meta, particularly the one about OP's.

 

Meh I'm not going to be able to read Zander when he's on the defence like this.

 

Lenlo's position on you is equally odd, but I'm more inclined to lean town at the moment.

 

 

Why?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

If there are over ten pages by the time I get off work in 11 hours, I'm going to be pissed.

 

 

lololololol

 

Let's put her out of her misery.

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

 

Cold hearted.

 

 

 

Zander, why are you reading Lenlo as mafia at this point?

 

 

Why should I not be?

 

And Ive answered this more then once.

 

On Page 2; you go from saying that wolves will follow Lenlo, implying that Lenlo is town, to saying that Lenlo is mafia because he missed your colour code thing, later you accept his reason for missing it, but still have your vote on him, except now it's for unexplained reasons. You next say 'look at where your vote is' so are finding Lenlo scummy for reasons, but they remain unexplained for a while, now you're voting him because his reaction's 'off' and because he's not noting your meta play, etc, etc and the post where you explained this was immediately before mine, so your multiple explanations don't exist :/

 

I'm not a fan of this progression Tbh. A number of your posts feel calculated, the initial attempt to clear using colour code, the posts he's making about his own meta, particularly the one about OP's.

 

Meh I'm not going to be able to read Zander when he's on the defence like this.

 

Lenlo's position on you is equally odd, but I'm more inclined to lean town at the moment.

 

 

Dont give up BFG! You  can do it!

 

Whats so odd about it if I may ask?

 

Lol don't give up on what?

 

Your implication that Zander always goes 'hard in' on a suspect. He's had games as town where he's slow to do that, he's had games as mafia where he doesn't do that.

 

In the back of my head is something telling me that you don't like using meta, so it seems an 'odd' argument for you to push as well

 

 

But Len's already stated after 3 games he can read me better then most.....lololololololol

[BFG]

Morning all!

 

If I switched to anyone,not currently going to, it would be Snow. On D0, I'm happy anyone is talking about any actual gameplay at all. And you're voting Eld over it? Me no likey.

So do you have a town read on Eldrick? I don't recall you talking about him at all yet

[Zander?]

 

 

Vote Count

 

Zander - 5 - Lenlo, Shad, Sooh, Eldrick, csarmi

Lenlo - 1 - Zander

alannalynn - 1 - Nolder

 

Day Zero will end at 5:00 PM Eastern on 1/19/16.  

 

 

Who is the wolf or wolves on my Train in everyones opinion? 

 

Think your a wolf ofc.

 

That said if you flip town, the most likely wolves are either Eldrick or Csarmi, leaning Csarmi. Yeah its a policy vote, but those are simple to hide behind and may just be convenient even if he truly believes it. 4th or 5th place is also a decent place to hide in a train. Atm though im not suspecting either of them very much.

 

 

 

Why not Sooh and/or Shad iyo?

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there are over ten pages by the time I get off work in 11 hours, I'm going to be pissed.

 

lololololol

Let's put her out of her misery.

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

Cold hearted.

 

 

 

Zander, why are you reading Lenlo as mafia at this point?

 

Why should I not be?

 

And Ive answered this more then once.

On Page 2; you go from saying that wolves will follow Lenlo, implying that Lenlo is town, to saying that Lenlo is mafia because he missed your colour code thing, later you accept his reason for missing it, but still have your vote on him, except now it's for unexplained reasons. You next say 'look at where your vote is' so are finding Lenlo scummy for reasons, but they remain unexplained for a while, now you're voting him because his reaction's 'off' and because he's not noting your meta play, etc, etc and the post where you explained this was immediately before mine, so your multiple explanations don't exist :/

 

I'm not a fan of this progression Tbh. A number of your posts feel calculated, the initial attempt to clear using colour code, the posts he's making about his own meta, particularly the one about OP's.

 

Meh I'm not going to be able to read Zander when he's on the defence like this.

 

Lenlo's position on you is equally odd, but I'm more inclined to lean town at the moment.

 

Dont give up BFG! You can do it!

 

Whats so odd about it if I may ask?

Lol don't give up on what?

 

Your implication that Zander always goes 'hard in' on a suspect. He's had games as town where he's slow to do that, he's had games as mafia where he doesn't do that.

 

In the back of my head is something telling me that you don't like using meta, so it seems an 'odd' argument for you to push as well

But Len's already stated after 3 games he can read me better then most.....lololololololol

6 games. And your not fightin my case, you trying to discredit it.

[Lenlo]

Sooh I'm Null on, want more. Shad I like. He's reading and hunting.

[BFG]

 

 

 

Zander, why are you reading Lenlo as mafia at this point?

 

 

Why should I not be?

 

And Ive answered this more then once.

 

On Page 2; you go from saying that wolves will follow Lenlo, implying that Lenlo is town, to saying that Lenlo is mafia because he missed your colour code thing, later you accept his reason for missing it, but still have your vote on him, except now it's for unexplained reasons. You next say 'look at where your vote is' so are finding Lenlo scummy for reasons, but they remain unexplained for a while, now you're voting him because his reaction's 'off' and because he's not noting your meta play, etc, etc and the post where you explained this was immediately before mine, so your multiple explanations don't exist :/

 

I'm not a fan of this progression Tbh. A number of your posts feel calculated, the initial attempt to clear using colour code, the posts he's making about his own meta, particularly the one about OP's.

 

Meh I'm not going to be able to read Zander when he's on the defence like this.

 

Lenlo's position on you is equally odd, but I'm more inclined to lean town at the moment.

 

 

Why?

 

I think at that point it was partly because his aggression is something I associate more with his town game, if I recall Matrix he was aggressive in response to you, not the instigator. He'd also ninja.ed me with at least one response to Eldrick (although that may have come later and helped cement the read )

[Zander?]

Len I am totally town. Promise.

 

You'll have to forgive me for not taking you at your word.

 

 

 

Lol don't give up on what?

 

Your implication that Zander always goes 'hard in' on a suspect. He's had games as town where he's slow to do that, he's had games as mafia where he doesn't do that.

 

In the back of my head is something telling me that you don't like using meta, so it seems an 'odd' argument for you to push as well

 

I typically dont your right, and thats because I typically dont bother to remember it. Zander is very loud and sticks out though so it sticks in my head. Cant do much bout it.

 

As for dont give up I was refering to you saying your not going to be able to read Zander when hes defensive like this.

 

 

So you dont like to use Meta but thats exactly what youre doing with me,  I call that a contradiction .

[Lenlo]

Don't like to and refuse to are to very different things.

[Shad_]

3 hours to DL, back home but watching the baby, will try to catch up

[Zander?]

 

Checking in at break: I hate all of you.

It's ok Alanna, it will all be over soon.

Just close your eyes.

 

 

What about Alanna is making you read her scummy Nol?

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there are over ten pages by the time I get off work in 11 hours, I'm going to be pissed.

 

 

lololololol

 

Let's put her out of her misery.

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

 

Cold hearted.

 

 

 

Zander, why are you reading Lenlo as mafia at this point?

 

 

Why should I not be?

 

And Ive answered this more then once.

 

On Page 2; you go from saying that wolves will follow Lenlo, implying that Lenlo is town, to saying that Lenlo is mafia because he missed your colour code thing, later you accept his reason for missing it, but still have your vote on him, except now it's for unexplained reasons. You next say 'look at where your vote is' so are finding Lenlo scummy for reasons, but they remain unexplained for a while, now you're voting him because his reaction's 'off' and because he's not noting your meta play, etc, etc and the post where you explained this was immediately before mine, so your multiple explanations don't exist :/

 

I'm not a fan of this progression Tbh. A number of your posts feel calculated, the initial attempt to clear using colour code, the posts he's making about his own meta, particularly the one about OP's.

 

Meh I'm not going to be able to read Zander when he's on the defence like this.

 

Lenlo's position on you is equally odd, but I'm more inclined to lean town at the moment.

 

 

Dont give up BFG! You  can do it!

 

Whats so odd about it if I may ask?

 

Lol don't give up on what?

 

Your implication that Zander always goes 'hard in' on a suspect. He's had games as town where he's slow to do that, he's had games as mafia where he doesn't do that.

 

In the back of my head is something telling me that you don't like using meta, so it seems an 'odd' argument for you to push as well

 

 

But Len's already stated after 3 games he can read me better then most.....lololololololol

 

So? Lenlo can have good instincts, I find you difficult to read, Cory finds you easy, I can read Sooh marginally more easily than he does... some people just read people.

 

Why is he wrong?

[Zander?]

I'm really enjoying being town in a game with you, Lenlo. It's a whole different perspective to watch you go after someone else. I like it. I feel good about you.

 

So it would SEEM here like you've locked Len in as Town.  Can you show your progression on this read up to this point please?

[BFG]

Soon you around? :)

 

 

 

Catching up

 

 

Page 21ish to last pageish

 

Shad - is this detail something that can be cleared up?

 

Turin - can you explain your read on Eldrick/Zander?

 

Sooh - stop stealing ny sleep <3 but also, interesting thought on triggers, will muse this afternoon.

 

Eldrick - why would you decide a lynch pre-rand? And I still don't 'get' it, you think Laine/Zander are likely t-t or m-m, yet you have Zander as null-town, so if you think he's going to flip town, and think that likely makes Laine town as well... Flashback tomasons in W13 (possibly Arthurian mafia, Sooh may remember which I mean)

I stole your sleep? How did I do that? *scratches head*

 

I should remember W13, but my memory is crap when it comes to old games. 

 

 

 

*snip*

 

we've only got 24 hours to find a wolf.  post count shouldnt be tooooooo bad has no night posting and short days this game Alanna

 

I approve of this gif usage.

 

 

 

 

So, Zander/Len likely v/v

Csarmi is town

Dice is also town

Eldrick may be a wolf

Sooh most likely a wolf.

While I agree with most of the above I have to ask you what makes me most likely to be a wolf. Sure I joined the Zander parade, but for me to joke around with Zander at the beginning of games is kind of something that always happens. I'm interested to see whether you have something else other than a joke vote to condemn me for, or if you're just fishing.

 

Other than that I'm glad other people have checked in as well! 

 

I have town lean on:

 

Csarmi

Lenlo

Zander

 

BFG

Shad

 

Well I barely managed 3 hours sleep last night, so you mist have stolen some of it

 

 

[Sooh]

I'm here, just very tired. 

[BFG]

Ugh, have I apologised yet for how nu autocorrect butchers peoples names?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

It was a twisted fact and you know it Z. 6/10 is weak? Its in the greater half of the spectrum dude. By definition thats not weak.

 

Yes im trying to force you to build a case on me and explain yourself better. If your town, you have a chance to towntell to me. If your scum you have a chance to convince people to mislynch me. Either way, explaining and casing is in your best interest.

 

 

 

@Lenlo

 

Irt Laine unvoting and Zander flipping town.

 

I said she doesn't look scummy for it because she wouldn't have the "he's my teammate. I'm backing of this joke train" vibe

 

If she's scum and he's town, she wouldn't know that. She would only know he isn't on her team. And she would look 'not scum' to me because scum would stay on the train if it wasn't a teammate imo.

Odd, if Laine was mafia and Zander wasn't on her team why wouldn't she know he was town? Odds are extremely good he'd be town not third party in that scenario...

But people seem to forget they exist. If you aren't scum, you're town. There's also the possibility of 2 scum teams. We don't know. That's what I'm getting at. She wouldn't know he's town.

 

This is the same kinda thing I got onto you for in Ragnarok dude. Its makin me suspect.

 

 

 

Are you asking me to expand Manbat?

 

Basically in Rag D1 Eldrick was annoyed/surprised that a Third Parties Wincon had been posted in the opening post by the mods. This struck me as odd and I followed him on it and future stuff all through the game until he got lynched and flipped scum.

It is proven fact that scums openly 3p hunt, by the way

 

 

In Ragnarok I was gunning for 3rd party. In hindsight, it was bad of me to focus. That's not what I'm doing here, though. I'm just pointing out it's bad to assume someone is town if you know they aren't on your mafia team. It's bad to come to conclusions about anything about other people's role without evidence.

 

 

 

Hi Zander, what do you think about Laine's vote/unvote?

It's been noted. I was under the impression Zander was going down N0. That's why the petition got attention. If he flips scum, I am looking at her for backing off.

 

Erm, would you say your vote was serious?

 

 

Initially, not so much. I was running with the petition idea from the signup. Anyone is as good a choice as anyone else with the 24hr time constraint.

 

But after Laine unvoted, it became a serious vote. I want to know what comes of this interaction.

 

 

So Laines unvote concerned you but you feel the need to keep your vote on me?

 

Yes, because your flip affects the conditions of her unvote. If you're scum, it looks really bad for her.

 

Without knowing your alignment, I don't have reason to move my vote to her (which is what I feel you are implying). She hasn't done anything inherently scummy. It's conditional to your alignment.

 

 

So in this world where you have me flip Scum (fyi- Im Town this game) youre not allowing for her to be Town and have adjusted her read or allow for the fact it could have been a joke vote?

[BFG]

I'm here, just very tired.

 

Can you talk to me about Dice and Laine?

[Zander?]

I'm not saying that he is. I haven't really got a scum vibe from anyone yet. I'm open to suggestion for another way to go, but i would like to resolve this Zander/Laine thing.

 

This reasoning is just plain awful.

[BFG]

Resetting and rereading the game from the start.

 

<3

 

Quite a brutal tone shift here, please feel better!

 

 

Ugh, this is an awful argument.

 

Zander's posting in purple, means he's either town or mafia have a sample Town role PM, or both /shrug

 

It doesn't clear him, his reaction is pretty extreme though.

 

 

 

Laine's reaction is marginally more interesting, there isn't a majority hammer Day 0, so her unvote is unnecessary, so she's conscious of her vote, but I'm not sure this means much at this point.

 

 

Both Eld and yourself seem pretty concerned with Alanna's unvote.  Why is her unvote suspicious when everyone had initially voted me jokingly?

 

I've explained recently, you'll get there.

 

TLDR at that stage of the game, there wasn't much to talk about, I wanted to talk about something other than your claim; her unvote indicated a self consciousness that stood out (no hammer this game) but to me that's alignment neutral for Laine, you know her better so I wondered what your opinion is

[Zander?]

If we lynch Zander, and he turns up town, well that's statistically likely with the rushed D0. But we have the day to work with.

 

If he flips scum, not only did we get one already, but we have a lead on a second one. IMO this is the course to take.

 

Either way, we go into D1 with N1 results and go from there.

 

The chances of us catching scum now are slim. They always are at the beginning of the game.

 

 

The more I see "logic" like this the more likely I think Eld is Scum. I can't speak for everyone but I can name quite a few games were Scum were caught D1- Star Wars, Frozen, WoW just to name a few.

[BFG]

 

This game is advanced. The balance of this game will change as the game progresses. This was mentioned in the signups.

 

I am 95% certain that 3rd parties exist out there.

 

Maybe, but I'm not really worried about them until scum are dead

 

Also unrelated: I believe BFG is a villager

 

Why?

[Sooh]

 

I'm here, just very tired.

 

Can you talk to me about Dice and Laine?

 

Dice looks towny so far from what I can tell. There was some mechanics talk right at the beginning with the PM comparison and such, but then he got right into it with multiquoting and gameplay, so I'd give him a town lean. I know with myself it takes me a while to lock a read on him, because I don't have the best track record reading him. 

 

Laine is around null for me atm. I haven't made my mind up, though I have seen a few good posts like this one. Gun to my head I would lean her town as well. 

 

 

This leaves me with a really big town pile and a not so big possible scum pile. There are still nulls though, so hopefully time will give me more to reasess those.

[Zander?]

FTR I do like that Zander has jumped right into the game, minimizing the fluff. If you are town, I don't want to see you go.

 

But I also don't think Lenlo is scum. Who else are you considering? Can you convince me not to vote you?

 

Convince you not to vote me...you literally have NO valid or logical reason to be voting me in the first place.    And after the first sentence to keep your vote on me is just ridiculous imo.