[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Zander?]

Wish you said you'd be leaving in a few hours, then you left immediately.

 

I'm not saying it's a tell or a major concern, but I generally dislike the fly-by and the lack of real time involvement.

 

Pizza this feel a little more like NBC where i was able to get a bit better read of you.  Its still different but Ive more stuff to look for and compare some to.  I know you change it up.  But theres still gonna be some similarities imo.

[Shad_]

@ Cass why are we making you wary?

 

fwiw- This kind of back and forth between me an Alanna is pretty normal and very null.  Ask Cory in your QT.

 

There was one aspect of it that I wouldn't call "normal", but null as things stand and I'm in wait and see mode on that.  Curious what Cass has to say here.

[Zander?]

Caught up.

 

And have commented on absolutely nothing of consequence thus far or given a thought....noted

 

Come on Nol man give us some thoughts!!!!

 

lololololololololol

 

 

 

Shad, please attempt to describe your take on Lenlo's meta.

First ya Id like to hear your thoughts on Len's Meta.....and mine as well!!!!!!

Summarize everything I think I know about how Lenlo thinks and behaves as town vs as scum?

 

That's a long exercise, and one I find borderline counterproductive at this stage, and I don't really think of people as a list of dos and don'ts in the first place. The whole value of a meta read is that it allows you to catch people being dishonest in subtle ways that are not objectively alignment indicative.

 

I'll call what I see when I see it.

 

 

Well fwiw I like your explanation of Meta itself....lolololololol

 

 

I have a question for all of you

 

You are on the side of a road walking down the sidewalk.

You have a gun with 1 bullet in it.

Two people are walking towards you.

The one on your left has a baseball bat the other is wearing a cowboy hat.

Who do you shoot?

 

 

The person asking this question imo

[Nolder]

 

Caught up.

 

And have commented on absolutely nothing of consequence thus far or given a thought....noted

 

Come on Nol man give us some thoughts!!!!

 

lololololololololol

 

There has been nothing of consequence worth commenting on.

 

Can you give me ONE GAME where I can play the way I like to play dude?

I've given you the last two games. I was open early even though I didn't like it.

Both as town and as mafia.

 

This time I'm going to play the way I like to play and if you don't like it you can lynch me.

 

When I find something worth talking about you'll see me talking about it.

Right now it's mostly just pointless banter and posturing.

Don't worry though I intend to blow things up this afternoon.

[Shad_]

Oops. Forgot to go back and get Lenlo-Shad posts.

 

Shad Obv Town, 11 more to go.

 

Ok so Lenlo's lock town ldo.

 

Freaky double timing and calling each other Town. Insta-paranoia says they could have planned it if they are wolves (let's have each other lock-Town! Wolves never do that!), attempt at rational/occam's brain says it is actually unlikely for W-W to interact so much and then blatantly call each other Town so early in the game.

 

I'm trying to go with rational where I can, or you're all going to be scum in my brain for the rest of the game.

 

 

 

haha

 

I almost want to legit town read you for saying that when I did.

Lets take this game by storm, me and you against the world.

 

 

This was the one that stood out most and made me go back and re-read. 

Basically, Shad sounded more carefree, Lenlo more controlled. I can't read Lenlo's bold but thoughts were if not sarcastic or good friends/frequently play together this 'against the world' (when Town is the majority) seems wolfy. Not pushing anything further, just an observation.

 

You're going to be an interesting one to figure out.

 

You are demonstrating analysis but seem to be considering events on a somewhat superficial level.  Do you think that Lenlo and I consider each other lock town?  Do you think that scum would be instinctively inclined to describe themselves a a minority in the village?

[Cass]

 

 

Oops. Forgot to go back and get Lenlo-Shad posts.

 

Shad Obv Town, 11 more to go.

 

Ok so Lenlo's lock town ldo.

 

Freaky double timing and calling each other Town. Insta-paranoia says they could have planned it if they are wolves (let's have each other lock-Town! Wolves never do that!), attempt at rational/occam's brain says it is actually unlikely for W-W to interact so much and then blatantly call each other Town so early in the game.

 

I'm trying to go with rational where I can, or you're all going to be scum in my brain for the rest of the game.

 

 

 

haha

 

I almost want to legit town read you for saying that when I did.

Lets take this game by storm, me and you against the world.

 

 

This was the one that stood out most and made me go back and re-read. 

Basically, Shad sounded more carefree, Lenlo more controlled. I can't read Lenlo's bold but thoughts were if not sarcastic or good friends/frequently play together this 'against the world' (when Town is the majority) seems wolfy. Not pushing anything further, just an observation.

 

 

 

 

Cass I dont hate this response but look at like me and Cory in NBC it can just happen as well as town vs. town.  But maybe I missed the post I will double check but what do you think this actually is atp?  T/T, W/W, or one of each?

 

 

Maybe you missed what post?

 

100% agree could be T/T. I don't know what I think it is - there's not enough to go on yet and I don't know how to read either player. 

(Hence not pushing anything further :P). The explanation of my thought process on Lenlo is there because people asked for elaboration, my only pertinent observation is that I don't think they're W-W.

 

 

Ok my dear I didnt mean to tell you what to do!!!!  It was more a suggestion so Im honestly sorry if that rubbed you the wrong way!!!

 

Also you avoided answering the question really at all imo and Im not a fan of that at all.

 

And you know I   you but my post count will not stop!!!!

 

lolololololol

 

 

 

No great problems with this for now other than the bold, which stands out because I was 100% hyper-joking with my CAPS, and your response reads too serious to me (it's the "I'm honestly sorry" if that rubbed you the wrong way!!! that does it). Since when would anyone seriously yell 'DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!' right there??? 

 

I'm not a fan of people avoiding questions either (ENFPTWINFTWorsometimesfail!). I'll wait for your response to the post where I did answer the question before I make a call on the use of this :P

 

I didn't expect the post count to really stop!! 

 

 

I <3 you always and will never yell at you except in jest. For now. I'd need to know your alignment and be hugely frustrated for that to happen, IMO. I tend to keep a very tight reign on expressing serious negative emotions

 

 

 

 

First of all how do you think I feel forced?(1)   Second "our scum game" Have we played together before....???? Or are you referring to Alanna?(2)

 

Cory knows my soul and he will be able to help clear things up for you!!!!

 

 

1. Did you get to the post where I actually sat down and answered the question yet? Read on that (and this post) please..!

2. We've never played together before. I'm referring to Alanna.

 

I'm slightly insulted/incredulous that you think you may have forgotten if we'd played together. I also thought it was obvious that I was talking to Alanna, so you being dramatic about it makes me raise an eyebrow.

 

I don't particularly like the things I bolded coming from you, but when I look at the points I'm lining up against you it's like looking in a mirror. I will so laugh if we are T-T tinfoiling our way to misreads! I can totally see us doing so, based on paranoia/possibility personality. Again, not voting to lynch you yet. But if you're a wolf, I'm gonna hunt you down 

 

I think it's too early for either of us to call the other wolf tbh. Not removing wary gut feels, but definitely allowing for the possibility you may be Town  .

 

What's your actual take on our interactions right now?

[Shad_]

http://textmechanic.com/Generate-List-of-Numbers.html

Bookmark this

 

Make a list of numbers starting at 1 ending at 3000 (or whatever)

Prefix numbers with: and/or suffix with: ". "

 

Gives you one of these: Instant per-post notes.

I love you for this.

[Nolder]

Going to brunch bbl.

 

MAKE SURE TO ANSWER MY QUESTION IF YOU HAVENT ALREADY!!

[Celeste]

Caught up.

[Celeste]

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

this is not true all the time and you know it.

[Celeste]

Want to vote Celeste but hesitating hard.

Why? Is it because I randomly voted Cass? Or something else.

[Cass]

 

 

 

OFC YOU CAN USE THE LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

ALSO TELL CORY I LOVE HIM!!!!!!

 

 

:wub: :wub:

 

 

I've never played with you/seen you Town, but I'd expect you to just LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! (or at least Lol first)

No need to tell him, he's reading along :P

 

Cass I have no Meta on you...is joke votes normal for you?  How do you play?  What are your scum tells???  Or is it just straight Rand.Org has forever branded you a Wolf??!!!

 

lmklmklmk

 

- Joke votes are not normal for me except if I feel relatively comfortable with someone both inside and outside the game. 

- Dice and Penny are probably the only players I would jokevote at this stage of my career.

- Voting is not something I do lightly in any case (to this point). I don't like being wrong. I'm think I'm learning the advantages of throwing votes around, but it's not something I easily/naturally want to do when there's a game to win!!

 

I play... differently to this? More carefully/sensored? Usually. As either alignment. But I'm hyper! (winding down) and trying not to take the game so seriously, trying to be more me than a player, if that makes sense? Blame Chris/Cory if I don't make sense. They encouraged the unleashing of #FullCass! :D :D 

 

 

 

 

 

good morning

 

Morning Turin havent played with you in a long time or really much at all for that matter looking forward to it man!!!!

it has been a while. let's lunch some wolves.

 

 

Lets do this brother!!!

 

#Gutread awkward

 

Turin have you played with Cass??

 

Like do you have any Meta on her?

 

Im a pretty heavy Meta reliant player so I need some info on her.

#Gutread more awkward because bold reads forced/unnecessary

 

 

Z, I think I played once or twice with her in the game. I don't recall a lot about her but I think she is a more analytical player. I recall dice always having to tell her to go to sleep.

 

For me, I'm Turin and I like lazy Sunday mornings in bed, medium sized walks in the park and living here in the shire.

 

I'm town. Like always.

 

I can be analytical when I put my mind to it. I like sifting through stuff and finding nitty-gritty inconsistencies. That goes for play in either alignment.

I've tried to sleep more the last couple of games. I think you're more likely to understand me correctly this game if you think like Dice and just question if I seem like me.

 

 

TLDR I'm wary, but I doubt I'm voting you today Zan, because I want fun :D If you're Town and we figure each other out this game will #FULLTWINENFPFTW!

 

 

 

(1)How serious, if at all are you with the lolololololol part??? And also I always need to tell Cory i love him ldo!!!!! lollololololol

 

Thanks for the Meta info, I look forward to hearing others weigh in on it!!!  and I cant wait to see #FULLCASS....i picture something like this....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It seems like you've already come in with the preconceived notion of reading me scummy and that's not a good look my dear (2)...Like each of my interactions youve felt off about,  I mean I get that people Ive never played with before may sense that but its just that all youre using is Forced and Awkward....and like 6 pages in, that seems very weird, but then I'm also weighing in the ENFP (3) so Im kinda meh with this, but something Im noticing fwiw.

 

4. Why would you think my Meta talk is forced or unnecessary, especially sense theres a bunch of players I havent played with much or at all and the fact that everyone who has played with me will tell you IM EXACTLY a Meta reliant player???!!!!

 

 

Well I want to make sure we figure each other out because so far it feels a little off putting to me my dear!!!!

 

 

1. Pretty serious that I thought you'd be less serious tbh!

2. Potentially I expected you to be obvTown to me if you were Town and I'm honing in on you because you're not yet. So kinda the opposite to pre-conceiving that someone's scum (lolannoyingwolfgifisannoyinglol);

3. Yup. That's what, if anything, will have me lean you Town right now.

 

4. The meta questions stood out to me because I expected you to try and read me on your own. 

 

Basically, looking at it, I think most of it comes down to #assumptions (on my part), and those assumptions are quite potentially silly given that we've never played together before. I'll reign in the tinfoil for a while if you do! :P

[Celeste]

[unvote]

[Cass]

 

Want to vote Celeste but hesitating hard.

Why? Is it because I randomly voted Cass? Or something else.

 

 

I like Penny for Town here. Will be interested to see Pizza's response.

[Celeste]

For Cass Eyes Only

 

 

[Shad_]

 

 

Woo. I am awesome. That value.

Oh wait it isn't hearthstone.Still cool.So wassup.

Is the first one a quotation or reference to something?

 

The first thing my character made me think of.

 

I like where your head is at for reasons I've been criticized for in the past. I think this comes from town more often than not.  I will hold you accountable to character claim later in the game, fine with you not doing so right now.

[Shad_]

I was frankly ENRAGED that the new windows forces WordPad to automatically insert 1.5 and double spacing, when all I want is a plain word processor with no forced formatting that I didn't tell it to do, and there's no way to change the default setting.

Thank you for justifying my persistence in clicking X every time that free Windows 11 update add pops up on my desktop.

[Shad_]

Through page 6, gotta get me and the Ollieboo ready for dinner with the folks in an hour, should be around all evening though.

I have a few town leans I'm not terribly keen on expressing yet, and one player I'm fairly concerned with. Explanations for these will come in time. Salami probably my strongest town right now because he did one of those things I just don't believe most scum are ever inclined to think of.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Pizza:  Please correct me if Im wrong but didnt you mention that lazy reads were a tell of some sort......

Mild reads which are easy to reverse. More of a tell later on when I've got enough to work with where I should have a solid read.

 

How much is 2000 words.... google says 4 pages. Spread that over many posts.

 

Give me 2000 words of game-related stuff that is mostly content, and I should be able to read someone. Give me fewer words, fewer posts, fewer content-related words and ideas, and my accuracy rating dips considerably. It needs to be a lucky "tell" kind of post, like with Dice in previous games. Or Shad's D1 kind of stuff.

 

The more open the player, the better this is. The more closed the player, I can be puzzled for a long while.

 

Cass has been a much easier read, one I feel I can make more accurately, given the type of posts she's done and the volume of them.

 

If I can't give you a read with that much content then I'm wolfing.

 

Want to vote Celeste but hesitating hard.

Why and why havent you?

I need more data on Celeste from observation. Like NotBob a couple games ago. My instinct says vote there but it's got nothing else behind it.

 

Hello, We've played together, I'm excited to be back. That's Celeste.

 

That's not enough to get a read off of and it feels very closed. And then there's a vote on Cass, which is null, but I don't agree with it.

 

Celeste is Penny elsewhere and I don't remember if I've ever played with Penny, I'm almost certain I have not.

 

Mainly that's a few posts and no read, and several people town-telling, and a generic opening and a closed player makes me want to vote there.

 

But more time will give me a bigger picture of the players I'm null on and Celeste herself. Gun to my head I'd vote there to lynch day one, but I bet I find something more solid, either on celeste, or on someone else.

 

Unlike the past several games, no one has made moves I saw scummy yet. That *does* happen. I had more pages to work with in other games when I began hunting.

 

But yes, if that's what my suspect list looks like, plus like a name or two in orange, by the end of day one, I'm usually scum.

 

Especially if the reasons are timid and not fully fleshed out, and the leans on many players feel reversible.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have a question for all of you

 

You are on the side of a road walking down the sidewalk.

You have a gun with 1 bullet in it.

Two people are walking towards you.

The one on your left has a baseball bat the other is wearing a cowboy hat.

Who do you shoot?

Neither.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

Wish you said you'd be leaving in a few hours, then you left immediately.

 

I'm not saying it's a tell or a major concern, but I generally dislike the fly-by and the lack of real time involvement.

 

Pizza this feel a little more like NBC where i was able to get a bit better read of you.  Its still different but Ive more stuff to look for and compare some to.  I know you change it up.  But theres still gonna be some similarities imo.

 

This is accurate but I'm not outside my scum range yet.

 

I am villagery-null so far, imo.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

 

Caught up.

 

And have commented on absolutely nothing of consequence thus far or given a thought....noted

 

Come on Nol man give us some thoughts!!!!

 

lololololololololol

 

There has been nothing of consequence worth commenting on.

 

Can you give me ONE GAME where I can play the way I like to play dude?

I've given you the last two games. I was open early even though I didn't like it.

Both as town and as mafia.

 

This time I'm going to play the way I like to play and if you don't like it you can lynch me.

 

When I find something worth talking about you'll see me talking about it.

Right now it's mostly just pointless banter and posturing.

Don't worry though I intend to blow things up this afternoon.

 

 

This is a good reaction from Nolder.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're going to be an interesting one to figure out.

 

You are demonstrating analysis but seem to be considering events on a somewhat superficial level.  Do you think that Lenlo and I consider each other lock town?  Do you think that scum would be instinctively inclined to describe themselves a a minority in the village?

Shad, relating to Cass:

 

I'm not looking at whether her methods are accurate or useful. I think some of the methods used so far have low utility, in my experience. But a roll of the dice will be right sometimes. Is Cass a villager? That's a far more important question.

 

I think she's demonstrated that she is. If you need more time to figure it out, I can respect that, but I wouldn't pick on her methods that much. That distracts from the alignment hunt itself. example Zander has different methods from me, I think some of them won't work, some of them will work a lot especially if used on scums, but I'm more concerned about is Zander town than how Zander towns.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

http://textmechanic.com/Generate-List-of-Numbers.html

Bookmark this

 

Make a list of numbers starting at 1 ending at 3000 (or whatever)

Prefix numbers with: and/or suffix with: ". "

 

Gives you one of these: Instant per-post notes.

I love you for this.

 

I knew someone would find that site useful.

 

How many hours I've wasted making lists of integers. Seriously. Thank you internet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

this is not true all the time and you know it.

 

 

Do you believe, even if it is inaccurate, that this is her honest opinion? You're saying she's remembering incorrectly or is lying deliberately or neither.