[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok.

 

Food done.

 

Woosah-ing so I can focus.

 

What now?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

unvote

 

Vote Csarmi

Zander, you and I can fight tomorrow.

 

[v] unvote[/v]

 

What do you think about the Csarmi claim/Pizza's case on him?

 

 

 

Im not with you yet today. 

 

Csarmi defense of kay seems strange imo.

 

as does the timing of his claim.

 

what does this mean?

 

Don't think the timing is weird. Shad did ask him to claim. And iirc, thread kinda pressured him to full-claim. Agree with Pizza's point on csarmi setting Kaylee up.

 

 

 

i mean im not done with you yet today.

 

I was in the middle of ISOing you.

 

Let's go.

 

 

 

youve read me Town all game lololololol

 

i cant wait to see what you come back with

 

glgl

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

 

 

 

unvote

 

Vote Csarmi

Zander, you and I can fight tomorrow.

 

[v] unvote[/v]

 

What do you think about the Csarmi claim/Pizza's case on him?

 

 

 

Im not with you yet today. 

 

Csarmi defense of kay seems strange imo.

 

as does the timing of his claim.

 

what does this mean?

 

Don't think the timing is weird. Shad did ask him to claim. And iirc, thread kinda pressured him to full-claim. Agree with Pizza's point on csarmi setting Kaylee up.

 

 

 

i mean im not done with you yet today.

 

I was in the middle of ISOing you.

 

Let's go.

 

 

 

youve read me Town all game lololololol

 

i cant wait to see what you come back with

 

glgl

 

probably also terribly misguided Town, but Shad did ask me to reevaluate

[csarmi]

 

WTL atp:

 

Wish

 

Kay

 

Id have said Turin but claim so prolly Csarmi.

 

knowing that scum has fake claims, is there a possibility that Turin's is a fake claim?

Of course there is. But i think Turin is a villager regardless of his claim and his threadplay matches up with it too. His claim that is.

[wish-tree]

Ok.

 

Food done.

 

Woosah-ing so I can focus.

 

What now?

nothing new

 

Zander wants to lynch me :P

[Kaylee]

 

 

The more I'm reading that ISO, the more it makes me think she's town. I dunno what you're seeing, but this is classic and pure town!Kaylee process here.

 

 

The more I'm reading that ISO, the more it makes me think she's town. I dunno what you're seeing, but this is classic and pure town!Kaylee process here.

Then I definitely want to hear more from you after this part is done.

 

If you know Kaylee, you should be able to tell me after the reveal if it's rampant werewolf disease or completely normal Kaylee.

Sure I'll try to take some time off at work for you. But I don't know when.

 

Before end of day one, I'm assuming, yes?

 

12 hours from now maybe? Sooner?

I'll be at work for ~8h more. Will find some time during that.

 

 

That's everyone, right? I don't think Csarmi or Pralaya are doing this.

I haven't come there yet. What do you want us to do?

He wants us to read Kaylee ISO.

 

This is the quick and dirty, even-Zander-will-actually-read-this version:

 

a) At least twice so far this game, Kaylee has stated that she usually struggles day one. So it's characteristic of her villaging game, in her own words, that she will struggle with day one.

 

b) from the start of game onward, she gives people a villager read, starting with Cass, then Pizza, then Lenlo, then Zander, then Shad, then Cass, then Laine. In each and every one of those cases, there was no struggle to formulate the read visible in the game. There was only posts by that player, and a conclusion of villager, which then only moved in one direction. There wasn't a whole lot of reversing of any of those reads, and updates on those reads were sparse, essentially only to double down on established reads.

 

c) the players that did not post were null, but excluding those, Turin was null, Wish was null, and Nolder were null. (no point is being made here, just noting for the record)

 

d) Her negatives: She began with Celeste and is "unsure" of Celeste and Wish-tree, but only pushes on Turin who was her null after I've laid out a case, then says "maybe" she'd push Nolder if Turin were revealed to be a villager. Okay, so generically, section d is "struggling". Fine.

• Where's the struggling/hesitation/doubt in section b?

In her head.

Kaylee scum: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/81647-the-hunger-games-mafia-advanced-game-over-town-and-tg-wins/

Kaylee town: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/84758-basic-die-hard-for-mafia-game-thread/

Yea that was 1.5 year ago (found it in my siggy).

 

This Kaylee looked normal town!Kaylee for me, but I'll check what you have. Not sure I can formulate why.

That was in a DM meta where finding villagers was frowned upon, a couple of years ago. Then Cory came.

Pizza, we need to find a game that's more recent.

Sorry man, been just too lazy and took from my siggy.

 

Finding you some but please note that I don't know these games much (despite playing in one lol):

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95520-frozen-mafia-game-thread-game-over-mafia-win/ <-- mafia

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/92636-escape-from-the-carnival-of-horrors-game-thread-mafia-win/ <-- town (some weird Correh game)

Thats just fundamentally not how i read her - or people. The posts saw were things i would expect her to say. May be biased cause i could just folloe her thoughts and they coincided with what i saw but i dont think its just that. Gonna did up some examplee i liked later i am on tab now.

 

 

This, Nolder.

 

Before I even presented the case, Csarmi was like, nope she's town.

 

Gave me more games to ISO, starting from a long time ago. Others say her more recent games are closer to this one.

 

The bottom quote is the worst one. I really don't think he was ever persuadable.

Yeah...I guess I didn't see it because I was happy someone was seeing me as town. I am but I'm playing badly and with that someone not even considering me being scum does look off.

 

[v]Csarmi[/v]

 

Feeling good enough to vote now

[csarmi]

@Kay don't you believe for a second you are playing badly. I like your play.

[Kaylee]

 

 

Nomi - First of all I want to note that he is the only person still at 0. With the amount he posts I find that troubling. Actually as I type that I realize he should be in the negative for some of the things I pointed out earlier in regards to Celeste but I haven't had the time to enter them into my notes. So ok he "was" at 0 and that was bothering me a lot. Then we get into the Celeste thing. I'll try to keep this simple since it's meant to be a summary. He agrees Celeste is scummy but doesn't want to lynch her. I challenge him on that and he says she never dipped below -1 in his reads but then I find a post of his where he puts her as his bottom read. It doesn't make sense not to want to lynch your bottom read. This is a clear contradiction and IMO he's caught scum and needs to be lynched ASAP.

 

Celeste - I despise saying someone is a good lynch for information because I believe this is a common scum tactic to justify lynches when they have no better reason...but Celeste really would yield a lot of information from her lynch. She's been linked to Wish, Nomi, Kaylee, and Shad. I think he death would break open this weird circle of trust going on between these people. That all aside, I don't like how she refused to answer my sidewalk question. She voted Shad in post #500 for his "tone". She unvoted in post #879 saying he's "shaping up". These are vague reasons and I believe that's intentional. I believe I asked several times about her Rustlemania references but never received an answer that I recall. I also don't think she ever answered my question about Shad in post #793 when I asked her to put her read in terms of 1-10. This is all very shady IMHO.

 

Cass - Please note that this is not the case I wanted to bring to you guys. I wanted it to have more substance but right now it's more a bad feeling. Hopefully I will be able to flesh it out more later. First of all I want to note Cass tops out the negative side of my point spectrum with -3 right now which is a pretty bad score for D1 and she got it pretty early in D1 as well. In Post #44 she says she's slightly wary of Alanna and asks if she's a wolf. This is weird because it's only page 3 and Alanna has posted a total of 3 times. There's literally nothing to be wary of. I mean if that's just a joke/excuse to engage and ask if she's a wolf ok but it just stood out to me. Post #109 she explains why she's "wary" of Xander and Alanna. I found the post lacking and full of excuses. She says it's too early to be of consequence but if that's true then why did she even say it in the first place? Post #1386 she voted Csarmi and didn't give a reason. I'm all for reaction testing and whatnot but it seems that 1000+ posts in it's time to start giving reasons with votes. And that's all I got so far besides the fact that she went MIA after being townread early in the game. I don't expect anyone to lynch her over this but I intend to pursue it further and build on the case as the game goes forward. If she's scummy I'll certainly have more to work with.

Find the post where I said Turin, Celeste, and Kaylee were all at -1.

 

Those were my bottom 3.

 

I said it several times in fact.

 

JFC man.

Celeste is at the bottom of my POE after Turin.

 

Above Celeste is Kaylee and Csarmi.

 

Pralaya at null is above that.

 

In truth, I'd do some more reading before deciding.

And Celeste is the bottom.

But you refuse to lynch her.

I don't care about the imaginary number you've assigned to your read it's irrelevant.

You've stated she is at the bottom. The bottom. Not tied.

Interesting...but I still think he's still town.

 

Forgot to add, again, my bottom 3: Csarmi, Pral and Celeste

[Sooh]

how does one even unvote

 

Either the way you did or by placing the word [ unvote ] in brackets without the spaces. 

[wish-tree]

 

how does one even unvote

 

Either the way you did or by placing the word [ unvote ] in brackets without the spaces. 

 

k, thanks

 

will keep for future reference

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

unvote

 

Vote Csarmi

Zander, you and I can fight tomorrow.

 

[v] unvote[/v]

 

What do you think about the Csarmi claim/Pizza's case on him?

 

 

 

Im not with you yet today. 

 

Csarmi defense of kay seems strange imo.

 

as does the timing of his claim.

 

what does this mean?

 

Don't think the timing is weird. Shad did ask him to claim. And iirc, thread kinda pressured him to full-claim. Agree with Pizza's point on csarmi setting Kaylee up.

 

 

 

i mean im not done with you yet today.

 

I was in the middle of ISOing you.

 

Let's go.

 

 

 

youve read me Town all game lololololol

 

i cant wait to see what you come back with

 

glgl

 

probably also terribly misguided Town, but Shad did ask me to reevaluate

 

 

 

This is how Shad described my Town game:

 

Zander is like a Mack Truck with an Epic GPS

 

Misguided not so much...also its worth noting Shad's refusal to accept my case against you but weve disagreed before but I think there could be a poss link between the 2 of you....

[Sooh]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Turin (1): Laine, 

 

 Wish (2): Zander, Turin

 

Csarmi (4): Cass, Pizza, Wish, Kaylee

 

Pralaya (1): Lenlo

 

Kaylee (1): Pralaya

 

 

 Not voting (4): Shad, Csarmi, Celeste, Nolder

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

 

DAY ONE WILL END AT 10:00 PM MST (MIDNIGHT EASTERN) ON WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 6.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160106T22&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+One&font=cursive&csz=1

[Kaylee]

Some concrete points bugging me wrt Csarmi this game:

 

 

 

 

Woo. I am awesome. That value.

Oh wait it isn't hearthstone.Still cool.So wassup.

Is the first one a quotation or reference to something?

The first thing my character made me think of.

Tress always provides safe claims for her scum teams. Csarmi has been around long enough to know this. It's essentially null even if it wasn't just a reaction to his rand.

 

 

 

 

 

[v]Penny![/v]

 

LOVELY PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I. AM. TOWN !!!!!!!!

 

And I have permission/instruction from Cory to go #FULLCASS!!

 

 

Ooooooohhhh Wiiiiiilllllvvvveessssss.....

 

Watchyo back!

 

Cass I have no Meta on you...is joke votes normal for you? How do you play? What are your scum tells??? Or is it just straight Rand.Org has forever branded you a Wolf??!!!

 

lmklmklmk

 

This is somehow out of tone for me espec7ally given Zanny's earlier posts around here. Awkward switch of ... Approach.

Csarmi - explain further please because this is the one that really, really bothers me. You call something out of tone and awkward and then you never address it again. What gives?

 

1. What did you see that was awkward about Zander's approach/switch?

2. If it bothered you enough to comment about it, why didn't you push/question Zander further?

Since when does Town you note something as awkward and then just completely let it go?

 

 

 

 

 

What the hell?

Is this at me?

 

Yeah.

Then why not elaborate on your apparent confusion so we can begin to work things out?

 

 

 

That link takes you to a site where you can generate the numbers.

 

I always prefer a period and a space between the numbers and my notes, and it allows you to add that as a suffix. Not sure why it didn't copy over onto the site, it copied into my notes just fine. I think DM drops the space if it's not being used.

Ok?

 

I just don't get so much of this. lol. What are the numbers for? What is 'per-post notes'? Why are we even discussing this?

 

Why are we discussing this?

Essentially, I don't understand why you thought a note-taking system was something worth dropping randomly into the thread. I'm suspicious of motives by nature, and I question things when they stand out. This stood out. I'm after elaboration on your motives in your own words so I can try and read your alignment based on whether or not I find it easy to believe what you say. I can explain my light concern/thought-process further after you answer if you like?

 

Right now I'm confused by the purpose of your post, and I don't like that you didn't just communicate straight up :P

 

The other, less important part is I'm not sure how it would work/I'm wondering if you actually take notes on every post?

 

Cass is looking town. Sounds genuine and not even the least bit stressed.

 

 

 

All right. Got a good handle on you now, Cass.

 

My initial reaction to you made me recalibrate the scum scope a lot until I found a you that I could understand. Fortunately I am a brand of that kind of villager sometimes so it's not completely foreign, or you'd sound all kinds of forced. Hah.

I don't understand what you mean by 'recalibrate the scum scope' but, well, read my wolf games. That's me forced.

 

Read my previous Town games. That's me more leashed.

 

If you're INFP like was said in chat, understand my personality as the extraverted version. I'm the same type as Zander. Campaigner/Champion/Possibility hunter. I'm also less experienced and really tired. I'm just getting in early because excitement and Cory threatened I need to make 10-15 posts each RL day and excitement.

 

You're pretty spot-on with the manic observation, and yep, I'll come down and hopefully be easier to understand.

Re-read complete, and my villager leans are thusly

 

We're not giving points for everything this time, that leads to runaway (Lenlo) scumreads which are sucky and don't reverse until it's problem. Instead posts which are likely town but more easily faked as scum are 0 with the word town next to it.

 

Askthepizzaguy (again!)

Cassy +5 initial wtf reaction has been clarified a lot. Yeah blue.

Shad +3 not outside his scum game but much improvement

Laine +2 Not confident but in my top 3

Zander Null points, but +1 overall (Not outside his scum range but I get good vibes)

Csarmi Null points, but +1 good feels

Turin Null points, but +1 good feels

Kaylee Null

Lenlo Null

Celeste Null

 

Wish True Null

Pralaya True Null

Nolder True Null

 

Manic Cass is townic Cass. Agree with her self-assessment, Pizza's approach, and just about ready to clear Cass there.

 

Never played with Pizza before but he lookw to be trying to solve the game and his approach is +EV. Green, I guess?

 

Think I'm at Shad and Cass as villagers, Pizza and Leno as possible villagers.

I sound genuine/not stressed/manic so I am Town?

 

Csarmi, I am Town, but you are one who has told me several times you've correctly read me Scum early in other games when others are clearing me for relaxed and happy tone. I don't buy it here.

 

1. What's different about this game that would make you believe I'm town on manic/unstressed tone?

Further points against Csarmi and I'm feeling better about my vote.

[Zander?]

we still have time left before dl

 

i wanna look at Csarmi and those who are voting him to see if they were sussing him beforehand

 

vote count please.

[Celeste]

Where's Celeste?

here.

[Songstress]

we still have time left before dl

 

i wanna look at Csarmi and those who are voting him to see if they were sussing him beforehand

 

vote count please.

Mod ninja'd!

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

 

 

WTL atp:

 

Wish

 

Kay

 

Id have said Turin but claim so prolly Csarmi.

knowing that scum has fake claims, is there a possibility that Turin's is a fake claim?

 

The specific character and role claimed means it's irrelevant even if it were fake.

 

He always dies, so he shouln't be in anyone's POE

 

 

vote wish with me Pizza.  where do you have her?

 

 

I don't have a proper leans list, and the reason why is the original note-taking method I was doing kept falling further and further behind.

 

As such, it was going to always be behind the current events.

 

More useful was to iggy everyone but one player and do ISO of that person.

 

With Turin removed from the POE, I did Celeste, and found very little to dig into. I felt if there's a scum by analysis, the best way is to continue ISO'ing.

 

I pushed Celeste up into a category above Lenlo. And yourself because I'm still not sure. I haven't had time to read Matrix again.

 

This is what I had before falling asleep about 9-10 hours ago.

 

 

 

Askthepizzaguy (again!)

Turin - Doc claim

Shad <----Blue

Cass <---- Skating on early good stuff.

-

Celeste <----Post ISO

Lenlo <---Isn't doing enough to justify being this high. Had good feelings earlier.

 

Zander <----I want to hard clear, but I can't. It's just going to be generically villager.

Nolder <----He's not acting like his scum game but I can't completely clear him. I gave him points. The best thing about his game is his reads are unique and not copycatted.

Wish <---- Probably was the next one to be ISO'ed because there's nothing really to see when iso'ing Pralaya.

Pralaya <--- Essentially null but had good feelings

-

Csarmi <-----this is prior to even opening the thread this session. I felt like Csarmi was letting others do the work, much like Kaylee.

Laine <----Got bad vibes around the Turin-claim region

Kaylee

 

 

I have no specific reason not to lynch Wish.

 

I will consolidate onto Wish to ensure a lynch if pressure does not move onto Csarmi.

 

I will consider other candidates but now we're under the clock.

 

I'd Fire-drill Cass, because if Cass flips scum it looks excellent for Nolder.

 

So,

 

willing to lynch

 

Csarmi for the main, Wish for consolidation, Cass or Laine are the folks I think fooled me today if they're wolves. Would be willing to YOLO either one right now.

[Kaylee]

 

 

Night all.

 

Not sure i will be back. Hopefully.

 

I'm Ysera. Hunt well.

Why... Why are we claiming.

He was asked to.

[Kaylee]

 

 

Night all.

Not sure i will be back. Hopefully.

I'm Ysera. Hunt well.

 

Is this supposed to mean something? are you VT? Why claim here....i dont get it......

Shad wanted me to claim. I wont be back before deadline most likely. So there.

 

I may or may not be VT. Does that matter?

Yes it matters! If you're a town PR then we don't want to lynch you. Obviously

[Askthepizzaguy]

Note to Zander et al,

 

that is the old leans list. I haven't updated it. It's straight from my notes with comments I just added.

 

I can't town-read Kaylee for any reason other than how other people are behaving towards the slot.

 

Time will tell I guess.

[Kaylee]

 

 

WTL atp:

 

Wish

 

Kay

 

Id have said Turin but claim so prolly Csarmi.

knowing that scum has fake claims, is there a possibility that Turin's is a fake claim?

Yes and that's why those of us who thought he wtad scummy aren't completely sold on him yet.

[csarmi]

 

Some concrete points bugging me wrt Csarmi this game:

 

 

Woo. I am awesome. That value.

Oh wait it isn't hearthstone.Still cool.So wassup.

Is the first one a quotation or reference to something?

The first thing my character made me think of.

Tress always provides safe claims for her scum teams. Csarmi has been around long enough to know this. It's essentially null even if it wasn't just a reaction to his rand.

 

 

 

[v]Penny![/v]

LOVELY PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I. AM. TOWN !!!!!!!!

And I have permission/instruction from Cory to go #FULLCASS!!

Ooooooohhhh Wiiiiiilllllvvvveessssss.....

Watchyo back!

Cass I have no Meta on you...is joke votes normal for you? How do you play? What are your scum tells??? Or is it just straight Rand.Org has forever branded you a Wolf??!!!

lmklmklmk

 

This is somehow out of tone for me espec7ally given Zanny's earlier posts around here. Awkward switch of ... Approach.

Csarmi - explain further please because this is the one that really, really bothers me. You call something out of tone and awkward and then you never address it again. What gives?

1. What did you see that was awkward about Zander's approach/switch?

2. If it bothered you enough to comment about it, why didn't you push/question Zander further?

Since when does Town you note something as awkward and then just completely let it go?

 

 

 

 

What the hell?

Is this at me?

Yeah.

Then why not elaborate on your apparent confusion so we can begin to work things out?

 

That link takes you to a site where you can generate the numbers.

I always prefer a period and a space between the numbers and my notes, and it allows you to add that as a suffix. Not sure why it didn't copy over onto the site, it copied into my notes just fine. I think DM drops the space if it's not being used.

Ok?

I just don't get so much of this. lol. What are the numbers for? What is 'per-post notes'? Why are we even discussing this?

Why are we discussing this?

Essentially, I don't understand why you thought a note-taking system was something worth dropping randomly into the thread. I'm suspicious of motives by nature, and I question things when they stand out. This stood out. I'm after elaboration on your motives in your own words so I can try and read your alignment based on whether or not I find it easy to believe what you say. I can explain my light concern/thought-process further after you answer if you like?

Right now I'm confused by the purpose of your post, and I don't like that you didn't just communicate straight up :P

The other, less important part is I'm not sure how it would work/I'm wondering if you actually take notes on every post?

 

Cass is looking town. Sounds genuine and not even the least bit stressed.

 

 

 

All right. Got a good handle on you now, Cass.

My initial reaction to you made me recalibrate the scum scope a lot until I found a you that I could understand. Fortunately I am a brand of that kind of villager sometimes so it's not completely foreign, or you'd sound all kinds of forced. Hah.

I don't understand what you mean by 'recalibrate the scum scope' but, well, read my wolf games. That's me forced.

Read my previous Town games. That's me more leashed.

If you're INFP like was said in chat, understand my personality as the extraverted version. I'm the same type as Zander. Campaigner/Champion/Possibility hunter. I'm also less experienced and really tired. I'm just getting in early because excitement and Cory threatened I need to make 10-15 posts each RL day and excitement.

You're pretty spot-on with the manic observation, and yep, I'll come down and hopefully be easier to understand.

Re-read complete, and my villager leans are thusly

We're not giving points for everything this time, that leads to runaway (Lenlo) scumreads which are sucky and don't reverse until it's problem. Instead posts which are likely town but more easily faked as scum are 0 with the word town next to it.Askthepizzaguy (again!)Cassy +5 initial wtf reaction has been clarified a lot. Yeah blue.Shad +3 not outside his scum game but much improvementLaine +2 Not confident but in my top 3Zander Null points, but +1 overall (Not outside his scum range but I get good vibes)Csarmi Null points, but +1 good feelsTurin Null points, but +1 good feels

Kaylee Null

Lenlo Null

Celeste Null

Wish True Null

Pralaya True Null

Nolder True Null

Manic Cass is townic Cass. Agree with her self-assessment, Pizza's approach, and just about ready to clear Cass there.

Never played with Pizza before but he lookw to be trying to solve the game and his approach is +EV. Green, I guess?

Think I'm at Shad and Cass as villagers, Pizza and Leno as possible villagers.

I sound genuine/not stressed/manic so I am Town?

Csarmi, I am Town, but you are one who has told me several times you've correctly read me Scum early in other games when others are clearing me for relaxed and happy tone. I don't buy it here.

1. What's different about this game that would make you believe I'm town on manic/unstressed tone?

Further points against Csarmi and I'm feeling better about my vote.

@Cass:

 

Yes char claim is null. Just love that my char is my fav HS card. TY Tress :)

What makes me happy to clear you is the addition of Cory. I think i would hear in your tone if u were a wolf cause thats even more stress with him around and the want to be town. Cant explain better.

[Kaylee]

 

 

So you think he set her up? Read her as town and then proceeded to give you info to condemn her because of her change of meta?

 

If situation is:

 

Kaylee being cased by pizza, who has a tendency to get people to vote for his suspects (if not lynched outright) because WIM

Kaylee innocent

And Csarmi guilty

 

The best strategy is:

 

1) Be on the right side of history (have a town read on kaylee)

2) Add fuel to the fire so I continue to try to hammer her

 

It's along the same principle as smudging- saying things look weird but not pushing, hoping a villager will start to view that person as scummy, but without getting your hands personally dirty.

 

As Csarmi began with Kaylee is innocent, then spent how many minutes actually considering my case? But was willing to feed me evidence repeatedly?

 

If it's wrong, he's guilty as hell a lot of the time.

Two things:

 

I don't care about history as either alignment. I just call things as I see them.

No i didn't try and feed you evidence either way. Just be helpful.

Both are totally null from me.

 

And yea i think Kaylee is town and no i never saw your big finding on her.

Not that I don't appreciate the cheerleading, but now it gives me pause. I haven't been on my town game...it had been an off one.

[Kaylee]

 

half*

Vanilla Town

 

And yea Len we have been through this before. I shall humour you.

The claim isn't enough. Csarmi: who should be the lynch and why?

[Kaylee]

Oh righ5 reads stuff.

 

Dont lynch Shad, Cass and Len ever. I believe Turin.

 

Second tier is Pray and Kaylee.

WTL?