[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Shad_]

[unvote] [v]Cass[/v]

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Pral (2): Celeste, Wish

Nolder (1): Pizza

Cass (1): Shad

 

Not voting (4): Pral, Nolder, Cass, Laine

 

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With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

 

Deadline for Day 3 is Thursday, January 14 at 9:00 AM MST (11 AM EST)

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160114T09&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+Three&font=cursive&csz=1

[Songstress]

VC corrected because morning

[Celeste]

[unvote] [v]Cass[/v]

why her?

[Shad_]

Noticed something that bugged me, lost in reading other games atm, will piece it together or drop it later.  What's your stance on her thus far?

[Nolder]

I'm scraping my ISO.

 

Lynch Pralaya, if he flips mafia it looks good for Nolder and we can move on to Cass.

 

If Pral flips town, let's lynch Nolder, LDO (jkjk, that's only a possibility)

 

Nolder, give me a case on Shad and a case on Celeste. I'm unlikely to vote either but I want to see what you're thinking.

 

Kinda iffy about Nolder still, but I think he's just barely more likely to be town than mafia. Like .005.

 

 

Checking in. Nolder/Pral looks good for today IMO.

 

I still think Celeste sounds Town atm, will ISO some in the morning. Last day away on vacation tomorrow before we start driving home.

 

Goodnight goodnight!

 

 

Willing to go for Celeste tomorrow. For now, decide between Nol and Pral

 

This was what I was talking about.

You all have your minds made up that Celeste is NOT today, so why did I waste my time?

Do what you're going to do I guess and get it over with. If I survive I'll continue my case.

[Shad_]

Oh god oh god I hate doing post by post commentary.

[Shad_]

I had two hours to burn and I didn't get through the first page in ISO.  Gotta go pick up my wife now.

[alannalynn]

Im still out and about today but I'll be home soon...

 

Nolder, if we're a team, why not provide us with all the information you can today in case you get lynched? Btw, nothing is guaranteed, so you as might as well do the work so we have something to go off of.

[Shad_]

4 scum against a cop doc and vig seems way way way more stacked for scum than I'm used to on DM, but I have failed miserably at predicting set-ups in the past.  Why are we all convinced there are 4 scum again?

[alannalynn]

I think that it was just a precaution and we've been going with it, actually, Shad

 

I don't do set ups or set up talk so idk lol

[Shad_]

I don't either.

 

I just wonder if I've been wasting time thinking about connections between players when there might just be a GF or Roleblocker left.

[Shad_]

Anyway I'll explain what I'm thinking with Cass tonight hopefully.

[Shad_]

We're in the Frozen dilemma.  It's as if the game is already decided.

[Shad_]

Get a stellar opening, bunch of scum die, some people come out of it looking great and some not so hot.
 

The results are in, consensus agrees that x players look way better than y players, you debate the order to lynch y in and chip away at it through to lylo.

[Shad_]

It's a deep wolf's wet dream.  Like Kaylee got a free pass to lylo in Frozen by handling the opening scum slaughter well.  The lack of a further drive to hunt (because we have a clear POE based on the opening) means everyone can just agree with each other and all further progress stalls.

[Celeste]

4 scum against a cop doc and vig seems way way way more stacked for scum than I'm used to on DM, but I have failed miserably at predicting set-ups in the past.  Why are we all convinced there are 4 scum again?

Idk why you have but I always keep a skeptical eye for these things. It's why I was questioning pizza on Vig or SK before he claimed.

[Shad_]

So today is pretty important.  Are we going to yolo lynch Pral/Celeste/Nolder and hope one of these solves the game?  It's entirely possible.  Maybe the most likely possibility.  But the probability isn't as high as I would prefer.

 

But if not, how do you begin to reignite the hunt and create an environment where scum can do scummy things?  Because there's nothing inherently scummy about wtl Pral/Celeste/Nolder atp.

[Pralaya]

4 scum against a cop doc and vig seems way way way more stacked for scum than I'm used to on DM, but I have failed miserably at predicting set-ups in the past.  Why are we all convinced there are 4 scum again?

 

It is definitely not 4 scum with 13 players. That would be overpowered. We were thinking of 4 scum? I was assuming that there is one scum and one third party left

[Pralaya]

So today is pretty important.  Are we going to yolo lynch Pral/Celeste/Nolder and hope one of these solves the game?  It's entirely possible.  Maybe the most likely possibility.  But the probability isn't as high as I would prefer.

 

But if not, how do you begin to reignite the hunt and create an environment where scum can do scummy things?  Because there's nothing inherently scummy about wtl Pral/Celeste/Nolder atp.

 

You played with Nol as scum i my game. I don't think he was this disinterested, right? He partly gave up but was still interested in fighting. This game, he is very odd. Don't think it is intentional. 

[Pralaya]

Shad, look at this post. You know Zander better than me. How would he lump the scum? Together? Separate? Different in different games? Would he be busing in his list?

[Pralaya]

This one 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96393-basicstandard-warcraft-war-of-the-ancients-mafia-day-three/page-199?do=findComment&comment=3592205

[alannalynn]

I vote let's not settle with just lynching the poe, though it may come back to them.

 

Let's see what else we can dig up first and where everyone is at because there are some differing opinions afaict

[alannalynn]

Shad, look at this post. You know Zander better than me. How would he lump the scum? Together? Separate? Different in different games? Would he be busing in his list?

I think it depends for zander. He traditionally busses a teammate but if he can get away with strong town reading a teammate who he traditionally town reads (ie me, Cory, or for example someone like Shad), then he'll do that no problem.

 

I think Zander is more likely to take a stance on a teammate than to keep them in nulls. I would have to go back and confirm that though

[Celeste]

So today is pretty important.  Are we going to yolo lynch Pral/Celeste/Nolder and hope one of these solves the game?  It's entirely possible.  Maybe the most likely possibility.  But the probability isn't as high as I would prefer.

 

But if not, how do you begin to reignite the hunt and create an environment where scum can do scummy things?  Because there's nothing inherently scummy about wtl Pral/Celeste/Nolder atp.

In this case you will have to be prepared to go by tone instead of evidence in thread because scum hide better that way. This is where I see the scum wins at sites like Mafia Universe, The Org, and etc.