[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[wish-tree]

Second Lenlo's SK point. XD Tinfoil, yayy

[Kaylee]

Pral: your points against me are stronger for D1. What I mean is that my reads strong and I was very wishy washy. Since D2 started however, I've made solid reads considering the info we gained. I've made points/arguments why I have my reads where they are. Having me as one of your top scum reads for liking posts is weak at this point in the game. I could see if I hadn't put in any work but I have.

[Lenlo]

 

So Pizza you have multiple vig shots? Explain away the possibility of SK then. Yes we are lynching Pral today, regardless of the answer and you may think this tinfoil only hurts town, but SK is a serious threat that wants scum dead just as much as town does.

This can be a legit concern. Considering part of the argument against SK is they would've taken out Piazza. But it's not a worry for today.

 

That assumes scum knew Pizza was the SK. As I said, no need to tinfoil today. We can revisit it after we see who they NK.

[Pralaya]

Pral: your points against me are stronger for D1. What I mean is that my reads strong and I was very wishy washy. Since D2 started however, I've made solid reads considering the info we gained. I've made points/arguments why I have my reads where they are. Having me as one of your top scum reads for liking posts is weak at this point in the game. I could see if I hadn't put in any work but I have.

Uh? That doesn't mean anything. Just because you are scum doesn't mean that you will just pocket somebody and do nothing. Of course there will be other things also - casing, nudging etc etc. It is the small things to notice.

 

Incidentally, most of your "I like this" posts are usually for points against an easy lynch candidate. INitially it was Lenlo, where Pizza made a case against him. When he came out as cop, your posts were focused on Celeste and me.

 

It is when seen as a whole that my points make sense. Again., context matters heavily. It is not a "Oh, she likes posts and hence scum" kind of thing.

 

Actually, the above replies have kind of convinced me she is scum. This is not going to happen but it is here for others to see after they know my flip

[v]Kaylee[/v]

[Shad_]

Ok. Pral, your concern with Kaylee feels more like the sort of argument town!Pral might produce. It's your issue with Cass that I still struggle to follow.

 

The most compelling reads I've seen out of you in the past are meta-based. You say why x is town or scum based on a comparison to their play in previous games, and you have a pretty high success rate doing this. I don't know if you've played with Cass much before or not; I haven't. In case we are wrong on you and you are actually right about Cass, is there anything that's striking you as distinctly different here from her town play?

 

Also, I tend to agree with you on Celeste. Question for everyone: is there any player in this game who hasn't pushed to lynch her besides myself, Wish, and Pral? I don't remember how csarmi treated her or if he even mentioned her.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So Pizza you have multiple vig shots? Explain away the possibility of SK then. Yes we are lynching Pral today, regardless of the answer and you may think this tinfoil only hurts town, but SK is a serious threat that wants scum dead just as much as town does.

 

When I single-handedly destroy the remaining wolves, lynch me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There's zero possibility I'm a SK. I didn't have to claim the shot today. Better would be to snipe scumbags from an anonymous place.

 

I also absolutely cannot shoot into my blues, or that's a SK claim.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That should destroy all remaining tinfoil on Askthepizzaguy.

 

Seriously, if the wolves do not kill me tonight, they're ludicrous.

[Kaylee]

 

Pral: your points against me are stronger for D1. What I mean is that my reads strong and I was very wishy washy. Since D2 started however, I've made solid reads considering the info we gained. I've made points/arguments why I have my reads where they are. Having me as one of your top scum reads for liking posts is weak at this point in the game. I could see if I hadn't put in any work but I have.

Uh? That doesn't mean anything. Just because you are scum doesn't mean that you will just pocket somebody and do nothing. Of course there will be other things also - casing, nudging etc etc. It is the small things to notice.

 

Incidentally, most of your "I like this" posts are usually for points against an easy lynch candidate. INitially it was Lenlo, where Pizza made a case against him. When he came out as cop, your posts were focused on Celeste and me.

 

It is when seen as a whole that my points make sense. Again., context matters heavily. It is not a "Oh, she likes posts and hence scum" kind of thing.

 

Actually, the above replies have kind of convinced me she is scum. This is not going to happen but it is here for others to see after they know my flip

[v]Kaylee[/v]

Again I ask. If I were to get lynched and flip town, who will you then look at?

[Kaylee]

Ok. Pral, your concern with Kaylee feels more like the sort of argument town!Pral might produce. It's your issue with Cass that I still struggle to follow.

 

The most compelling reads I've seen out of you in the past are meta-based. You say why x is town or scum based on a comparison to their play in previous games, and you have a pretty high success rate doing this. I don't know if you've played with Cass much before or not; I haven't. In case we are wrong on you and you are actually right about Cass, is there anything that's striking you as distinctly different here from her town play?

 

Also, I tend to agree with you on Celeste. Question for everyone: is there any player in this game who hasn't pushed to lynch her besides myself, Wish, and Pral? I don't remember how csarmi treated her or if he even mentioned her.

I don't know. She could be struggling town. Was just hoping to see more from her today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just in case that's not enough-

 

Look at the poe.

 

I'm never shooting Shad, Lenlo, Alanna, Wish-tree, or Cass.

 

The persons most likely to be a wolf are inside Celeste, Pralaya, Kaylee and Nolder.

 

I'm always shooting inside of there, which reduces the number of days town has to spend lynching them. If the wolves are in there and they very, very likely are, then I am the single greatest threat remaining to the wolf team. And I've told them who I am, and I've killed one of them, and declared my intention to kill or lynch all the rest very shortly.

 

When I deviate from such a planned path, I'm guilty.

 

If I do not, the wolves have to murder me, and if they do not, they lose. And if they are somehow in my blues, I am a huge problem in a few rounds because then I might get trigger happy and start shooting people I currently have as blue, so their deep wolf (if any) might die randomly. I'm not working with them against the town because I'm already outed.

 

In essence, I've made myself more an enemy of the wolves than the town, which provides cover for them to hide in. I'm a voting threat and a night threat.

 

I outed myself voluntarily day 2 after shooting a wolf.

 

If that sequence of events ever yields a serial killer, it would be truly entertaining. But it would also be a serial killer playing against his win condition.

[Kaylee]

Fair enough Piazza. A lot of logic in that actually.

[Pralaya]

Ok. Pral, your concern with Kaylee feels more like the sort of argument town!Pral might produce. It's your issue with Cass that I still struggle to follow.

 

The most compelling reads I've seen out of you in the past are meta-based. You say why x is town or scum based on a comparison to their play in previous games, and you have a pretty high success rate doing this. I don't know if you've played with Cass much before or not; I haven't. In case we are wrong on you and you are actually right about Cass, is there anything that's striking you as distinctly different here from her town play?

 

Also, I tend to agree with you on Celeste. Question for everyone: is there any player in this game who hasn't pushed to lynch her besides myself, Wish, and Pral? I don't remember how csarmi treated her or if he even mentioned her.

i think I have played one game with Cass and I don't remember her meta, actually. The read here is not based on meta at all. It is more from the context, her voting timing, tone etc. Could be I am wrong but I have a strong feeling I am not

[Kaylee]

I am worried about Cass as deep wolf. Esp if Pral is town. Then maybe Nolder and Cass as final wolves?

[Pralaya]

 

 

Pral: your points against me are stronger for D1. What I mean is that my reads strong and I was very wishy washy. Since D2 started however, I've made solid reads considering the info we gained. I've made points/arguments why I have my reads where they are. Having me as one of your top scum reads for liking posts is weak at this point in the game. I could see if I hadn't put in any work but I have.

Uh? That doesn't mean anything. Just because you are scum doesn't mean that you will just pocket somebody and do nothing. Of course there will be other things also - casing, nudging etc etc. It is the small things to notice.

 

Incidentally, most of your "I like this" posts are usually for points against an easy lynch candidate. INitially it was Lenlo, where Pizza made a case against him. When he came out as cop, your posts were focused on Celeste and me.

 

It is when seen as a whole that my points make sense. Again., context matters heavily. It is not a "Oh, she likes posts and hence scum" kind of thing.

 

Actually, the above replies have kind of convinced me she is scum. This is not going to happen but it is here for others to see after they know my flip

[v]Kaylee[/v]

 

Again I ask. If I were to get lynched and flip town, who will you then look at?

 

We will see that when it comes to that. But, I gave my WTL yesterday, I guess. That would be the list

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's everyone thinking on Pralaya?

 

Move up in the POE and push someone down?

[Sooh]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Kaylee (2): Celeste, Pral

 

 

Pralaya (4): Kaylee, Laine, Wish, Lenlo

 

 

Not voting (4): Shad,  Nolder, Cass, Pizza

 

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Pral is at L-2

 

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Day 2 deadline is Monday, January 11 @ 9 AM MST (11 AM EST)

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160111T09&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+Two&font=cursive&csz=1

[Askthepizzaguy]

We should have almost a full day left, so if Pralaya had a good day in people's eyes let me know.

 

I could decide but then scumbags will play follow the leader. I'd rather weigh in last.

[Kaylee]

We should have almost a full day left, so if Pralaya had a good day in people's eyes let me know.

 

I could decide but then scumbags will play follow the leader. I'd rather weigh in last.

Shad may be onto something with Pral sounding genuine going after me. It has me doubting some tbh.

[Kaylee]

We will see that when it comes to that. But, I gave my WTL yesterday, I guess. That would be the list

On mobile but please say it again. Today you've said it was me and Cass. I think your one yesterday was Laine, Cass myself and I don't remember. Who else was on it?

[Kaylee]

Pizza: of those on his lynch Leno is town as likely cop. I'm town but in POE, pretty sure Laine is town. I have her as blue. So maybe a deep wolf in wish? If not than his train is clean. If he's town I'd expect wolves to want to take him down. Could be they're letting us hang one of our own. That could point to me next as the one who started his train. Problem is if Nolder and Cass are scum, they're not voting so that doesn't mean much from what I said.

 

Guess all that at to say he could be town. He's gone after me before and this feels the same. He was town from what I remember. That's more meta related than play related

[Kaylee]

Laine, Leno, Shad: what you do guys think?

[Pralaya]

 

We will see that when it comes to that. But, I gave my WTL yesterday, I guess. That would be the list

On mobile but please say it again. Today you've said it was me and Cass. I think your one yesterday was Laine, Cass myself and I don't remember. Who else was on it?

 

Also had Celeste, but purely due to POE

[Kaylee]

Ok. Do you still feel that Celeste and Laine are likely scum? I ask mostly about Celeste in light of what Shad has been saying. Also pizza pointed out that everyone had Celeste in their PoE

[Celeste]

Basically, it would have to be inside my blues, and you'd have to find that person and case them, and have it be correct.

 

I don't see that happening, do you?

It's entirely possible and basically I contradict your own godfather theory. I was in almost everybody's lynch pile. I also was pushed a lot by Zander. How does it make sense that I would be mafia?