[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Kaylee]

OKayyyyy so I'm going to go to bed. I gave myself until 3am and I'm 100% sure Zander's ISO will take more than 10 minutes. LOL

 

If someone else wants to pick up Zander and do it that's fine, otherwise I wont be casing until tomorrow night since I have friend obligations tomorrow and wont be around much.

I can do one but not until late afternoon. So if someone hasn't done or by then I will.

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4rQDyRCZtg

 

 

Okay that's enough music for now lads. Looks like there's dirty work afoot!

[Kaylee]

Anyway, I have no idea who led the lynch or what happened.

 

What I do know is that Csarmi hates being scum. Out of the handful of scum games of his I have seen, he tried getting replaced in 2 of them. I wouldn't be surprised if he asked to be bused ( he did that in one game I was scum with him).

 

I would want to read through keeping that in mind.

Read Laine's analysis.

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuRzJRrRpQ

 

 

This is how I picture Zander's enthusiasm when he's a villager.

[wish-tree]

Hello, I am here on mobile Tapatalk. Yuck. Can talk in real time, but quoting isn't going to happen. I'll do that when I get out of bed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

See how much of a GOAT you are, Zan?

[wish-tree]

Reading Laine's analysis. Thoughts:

Pretty thorough.

 

There's a reason why she's in my town core.

 

I like her point about Lenlo. Irt his comment about lynching csarmi today, I felt that it was kind of weird, but it wasn't anything more than an initial feeling, so I didn't press on it.

[wish-tree]

And Kaylee/Csarmi are never w/w here. Wouldn't make sense.

[wish-tree]

Want to hear more from Pralaya.

 

Nolder's gut read on csarmi as villager being wrong is mildly concerning, yet I believe his post about that is earnest.

 

Need to hear more from him.

 

In regards to Zander, I've ISO'd him quite a bit, but will look at it in context of what happened yesterday. Atm, his interactions with pizza and his catch-up ISO of Csarmi seem to be suspect. In fact, it looks like he was trying to justify his vote on Csarmi, when he hadn't suspected him before.

 

Laine's Lenlo case needs to be pressed into. I want to hear from Lenlo in response.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Want to hear more from Pralaya. Nolder's gut read on csarmi as villager being wrong is mildly concerning, yet I believe his post about that is earnest. Need to hear more from him. In regards to Zander, I've ISO'd him quite a bit, but will look at it in context of what happened yesterday. Atm, his interactions with pizza and his catch-up ISO of Csarmi seem to be suspect. In fact, it looks like he was trying to justify his vote on Csarmi, when he hadn't suspected him before. Laine's Lenlo case needs to be pressed into. I want to hear from Lenlo in response.

 

This I noticed as well.

 

But, I'm doing a full re-read of the game to double check on that.

 

I have Turn Kay Cass Shad Wish on ignore for this read.

[wish-tree]

(If someone else can answer this, how do you put people on ignore?)

[Shad_]

Anyway, I have no idea who led the lynch or what happened.

 

What I do know is that Csarmi hates being scum. Out of the handful of scum games of his I have seen, he tried getting replaced in 2 of them. I wouldn't be surprised if he asked to be bused ( he did that in one game I was scum with him).

 

I would want to read through keeping that in mind.

Curious what you find irt this.

 

I'll be stuck on my phone all day. Should have time this evening, might not be until after night phase is over.

[Shad_]

Irc Zander was just sort of trolling csarmi without calling him scum for a while, then an ISO slamming him popped out of nowhere. I know I called him out for taunting csarmi for no obvious reason once. Don't quote me on his progression though--I'll look into it later.

[wish-tree]

PIZZA

Your number thing does not show up in spoiler on Tapatalk

 

I have to scroll through 100+ lines of nothing

[wish-tree]

@Shad: I think I remember that.

Will keep that in mind.

[Askthepizzaguy]

PIZZA Your number thing does not show up in spoiler on Tapatalk I have to scroll through 100+ lines of nothing

 

D'oh! Unintended consequence. I'm sorry

[wish-tree]

S'okay

[Kaylee]

Irc Zander was just sort of trolling csarmi without calling him scum for a while, then an ISO slamming him popped out of nowhere. I know I called him out for taunting csarmi for no obvious reason once. Don't quote me on his progression though--I'll look into it later.

I don't remember that but I'll also look at it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So much reading. So much reading.

 

Hhhhrrrrrnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.....

[Pralaya]

OK, skimmed heavily and skipped pages 60-90. So, caught up … more or less

 

So, like I said before … heavy, heavy suspicion csarmi was bussed. Why? At the point in time, I was getting a lot of votes and with Pizza asking people not to vote me, it was becoming more and more clear that I would not be lynched. Knowing Csarmi, he himself would have said that he wasn't interested in playing because he was scum. And, he was a mafia goon - expendable. What better way for the other scum to get townie points in the game?

 

That said, one thing stood out

 

Oh....I almost forgot.

 

[v]Nomi[/v]

 

Let's get this party started.

Only time I move my vote is if Celeste is L-3 or higher (lower?).

This is super, super townie vote. Remember, at this point Csarmi was getting traction ( he claimed vanilla, was sparse and potentially trolling at this point ). There was no way anybody other than csarmi was the day's lynch. Put yourself in the shoes of their scummates - would you get on the train early, stay neutral or start another train knowing fully well that csarmi would flip wolf and this particular vote would put me in the crosshairs? No mafia would do the last part. No one. Nolder voting Nomi makes him strong town.

 

Who else voted pizza?

 

 

Csarmi/Pizza wagons.

 

Now.

 

See you after the flip.

[unvote]

 

[v] Pizza [v]

 

 

Good night.

 

 

Yes, the claimed doc

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good read, Pralaya. I tend to agree with that, plus the fact that he actually wanted me to go into more detail about my thoughts about Csarmi's reaction to my ISO of Kaylee.

 

Those things are pretty major points in his favor after being null/conflicty but light green more or less all game to me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nolder seemed to have no idea Csarmi was scum, for real.

 

He felt it was interesting stuff, but when things started taking off he firmly planted his freak flag in nowhereland as opposed to going... yeah pizza, you're right! Now that I think about it, Csarmi is a big ball o scum.

 

But Csarmi was bussed. Of that I'm absolutely sure.

[Pralaya]

Some concrete points bugging me wrt Csarmi this game:

 

 

 

Woo. I am awesome. That value.

Oh wait it isn't hearthstone.Still cool.So wassup.

Is the first one a quotation or reference to something?

 

The first thing my character made me think of.

 

 

Tress always provides safe claims for her scum teams. Csarmi has been around long enough to know this. It's essentially null even if it wasn't just a reaction to his rand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[v]Penny![/v]

 

LOVELY PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I. AM. TOWN !!!!!!!! 

 

And I have permission/instruction from Cory to go #FULLCASS!!

 

                           

 

Ooooooohhhh Wiiiiiilllllvvvveessssss.....

 

Watchyo back!

 

 

Cass I have no Meta on you...is joke votes normal for you?  How do you play?  What are your scum tells???  Or is it just straight Rand.Org has forever branded you a Wolf??!!!

 

lmklmklmk

 

 

This is somehow out of tone for me espec7ally given Zanny's earlier posts around here. Awkward switch of ... Approach.

 

 

Csarmi - explain further please because this is the one that really, really bothers me. You call something out of tone and awkward and then you never address it again. What gives?

 

1. What did you see that was awkward about Zander's approach/switch?

2. If it bothered you enough to comment about it, why didn't you push/question Zander further?

  Since when does Town you note something as awkward and then just completely let it go?

 

 

 

 

 

 

What the hell?

 

Is this at me?

 

 

 

Yeah.

 

Then why not elaborate on your apparent confusion so we can begin to work things out?

 

 

 

That link takes you to a site where you can generate the numbers.

 

I always prefer a period and a space between the numbers and my notes, and it allows you to add that as a suffix. Not sure why it didn't copy over onto the site, it copied into my notes just fine. I think DM drops the space if it's not being used.

 

Ok?

 

I just don't get so much of this. lol. What are the numbers for? What is 'per-post notes'? Why are we even discussing this? 

 

Why are we discussing this?

 

 

Essentially, I don't understand why you thought a note-taking system was something worth dropping randomly into the thread. I'm suspicious of motives by nature, and I question things when they stand out. This stood out. I'm after elaboration on your motives in your own words so I can try and read your alignment based on whether or not I find it easy to believe what you say. I can explain my light concern/thought-process further after you answer if you like?

 

Right now I'm confused by the purpose of your post, and I don't like that you didn't just communicate straight up :P

 

The other, less important part is I'm not sure how it would work/I'm wondering if you actually take notes on every post?

 

 

Cass is looking town. Sounds genuine and not even the least bit stressed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

All right. Got a good handle on you now, Cass.

 

My initial reaction to you made me recalibrate the scum scope a lot until I found a you that I could understand. Fortunately I am a brand of that kind of villager sometimes so it's not completely foreign, or you'd sound all kinds of forced. Hah.

 

I don't understand what you mean by 'recalibrate the scum scope' but, well, read my wolf games. That's me forced.

 

Read my previous Town games. That's me more leashed.

 

If you're INFP like was said in chat, understand my personality as the extraverted version. I'm the same type as Zander. Campaigner/Champion/Possibility hunter. I'm also less experienced and really tired. I'm just getting in early because excitement and Cory threatened I need to make 10-15 posts each RL day and excitement.

 

You're pretty spot-on with the manic observation, and yep, I'll come down and hopefully be easier to understand.

 

  

Re-read complete, and my villager leans are thusly

 

We're not giving points for everything this time, that leads to runaway (Lenlo) scumreads which are sucky and don't reverse until it's problem. Instead posts which are likely town but more easily faked as scum are 0 with the word town next to it.

 

Askthepizzaguy (again!)

Cassy +5 initial wtf reaction has been clarified a lot. Yeah blue.

Shad +3 not outside his scum game but much improvement

Laine +2 Not confident but in my top 3

Zander Null points, but +1 overall (Not outside his scum range but I get good vibes)

Csarmi Null points, but +1 good feels

Turin Null points, but +1 good feels

Kaylee Null

Lenlo Null

Celeste Null

 

Wish True Null

Pralaya True Null

Nolder True Null

 

Manic Cass is townic Cass. Agree with her self-assessment, Pizza's approach, and just about ready to clear Cass there.

 

Never played with Pizza before but he lookw to be trying to solve the game and his approach is +EV. Green, I guess?

 

Think I'm at Shad and Cass as villagers, Pizza and Leno as possible villagers.

 

 

I sound genuine/not stressed/manic so I am Town?

 

Csarmi, I am Town, but you are one who has told me several times you've correctly read me Scum early in other games when others are clearing me for relaxed and happy tone. I don't buy it here.

 

1. What's different about this game that would make you believe I'm town on manic/unstressed tone?

 

This whole case on Csarmi looks odd. This was around the time Cass voted Csarmi. The points here looks very forced. As if finding out excuses to vote someone. Typically, I see this when scum tries to nudge and make a case on town. I would have been fine if it was like Csarmi is inactive, he is not very focused etc. That was the consensus reason why nearly everyone had csarmi in the red pile. These points do not look that natural.

 

Especially, sentences like these

 

Tress always provides safe claims for her scum teams. - Huh? First of all, I don't know how many Tress games has Cass played to make such a statement. Second, look at the quote - what was the need to bring this up? To reinforce the point that Csarmi is fake-claiming? (Incidentally, csarmi claimed a few posts later).

 

 

Csarmi, I am Town, but you are one who has told me several times you've correctly read me Scum early in other games when others are clearing me for relaxed and happy tone - That "Ï am town". Would a townie say that in this context? An annoyed townie would be correcting him, questioning him. Not trying to express that he/she is town out of place.

 

Gun to my head, I would say Cass bused Csarmi.

[Nolder]

Morning.

 

I've woken up with a headache and am making a decision.

I am going to publish my fulls notes as they stand now.

I am not going to reread and enter in notes from page 55 to now even though it would probably be extremely useful to me.

The plan is to cut my losses and when Day 2 starts restart note taking.

[Pralaya]

Good read, Pralaya. I tend to agree with that, plus the fact that he actually wanted me to go into more detail about my thoughts about Csarmi's reaction to my ISO of Kaylee.

 

Those things are pretty major points in his favor after being null/conflicty but light green more or less all game to me.

And, I can already see some nudges on Nolder by ... surprise.... people who voted csarmi early.