[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[wish-tree]

 

I have a question for all of you

 

You are on the side of a road walking down the sidewalk.

You have a gun with 1 bullet in it.

Two people are walking towards you.

The one on your left has a baseball bat the other is wearing a cowboy hat.

Who do you shoot?

 

Umm what does this prove Nolder? Seems like pointless WIFOM.

Well... There's one post I can't read into.

 

XD

[Lenlo]

 

 

also, can someone explain to me what the entire note taking thing was about anyway? I don't see how that generated reads at all, if it did.

 

Wasn't meant to, it was me sharing a website that I find useful for generating a list of numbers which I use when keeping track of my reads.

 

Not every post is explicitly for finding scum. Most of them should be.

I actually disagree, somewhat. I think you can read a lot into one post, even about things that are unrelated.

Hmm... Can you give me a rundown of Lenlo's meta? Don't recall.

 

And Lenlo, I want you to describe Pizza's meta to me as well. Ty!

 

I refuse. Why? Because I feel like being difficult. Actual reason? I cant. He just feels the same as previous games. Im not the kind of player who can put that into words.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lenlo's meta I am still working on. I don't even think I had a specific reason for finding him scum when I did in that game he was actually scum in, I just got my attention put there probably by Zander his wolf-mate and then agreed it wasn't strikingly townie.

 

Sometimes wolves will help you find other wolves. For whatever purpose, it's still a dead wolf when you lynch that guy.

 

His town game I hope I'm getting a better feel of after last game, but he wasn't strictly a townie in the game prior and I had very conflicted reads on him and even said "serial killer" was a likely alignment for his third party survivor with killing power.... role... thing.

 

So basically I need to see more Lenlo. Last game gave me some, but he was under the gun for being weird for most of D1, and the game moved too fast for him to generate much content after that.

 

So I don't have much "normal" Lenlo meta.

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

also, can someone explain to me what the entire note taking thing was about anyway? I don't see how that generated reads at all, if it did.

 

 

Wasn't meant to, it was me sharing a website that I find useful for generating a list of numbers which I use when keeping track of my reads.

 

Not every post is explicitly for finding scum. Most of them should be.

I actually disagree, somewhat. I think you can read a lot into one post, even about things that are unrelated.

Hmm... Can you give me a rundown of Lenlo's meta? Don't recall.

And Lenlo, I want you to describe Pizza's meta to me as well. Ty!

I refuse. Why? Because I feel like being difficult. Actual reason? I cant. He just feels the same as previous games. Im not the kind of player who can put that into words.

[wish-tree]

Uh, oops.

Meant to say, okay, got it.

 

Do you have any 'feelings' about other people this game?

[wish-tree]

Lenlo's meta I am still working on. I don't even think I had a specific reason for finding him scum when I did in that game he was actually scum in, I just got my attention put there probably by Zander his wolf-mate and then agreed it wasn't strikingly townie.

 

Sometimes wolves will help you find other wolves. For whatever purpose, it's still a dead wolf when you lynch that guy.

 

His town game I hope I'm getting a better feel of after last game, but he wasn't strictly a townie in the game prior and I had very conflicted reads on him and even said "serial killer" was a likely alignment for his third party survivor with killing power.... role... thing.

 

So basically I need to see more Lenlo. Last game gave me some, but he was under the gun for being weird for most of D1, and the game moved too fast for him to generate much content after that.

 

So I don't have much "normal" Lenlo meta.

Uhh, alright

 

XDDD

[Askthepizzaguy]

If a wolf is particularly bussy (as I sometimes am in the mid-game, or at least D2 onward) then they have that perfect info of who is a wolf.

 

Then they'll make cases on wolves and say why they're scummy.

 

It's a great help. It's like when you're trying to infiltrate a terrorist cell and they tell you all about a rival terrorist cell that they know about because they're also a terrorist.

 

Can't discount the excellent work wolves do in destroying other wolves. Especially if they're bussing. Man, that's a great help.

[Celeste]

 

 

 

 

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

this is not true all the time and you know it.

 

Do you believe, even if it is inaccurate, that this is her honest opinion? You're saying she's remembering incorrectly or is lying deliberately or neither.

I believe this is her honest opinion despite forgetting that simple fact.

I want to know what you think of me, actually. And since I trust you so far, I would also like your gut reads.

 

(What works, works. Meh.)

 

I think your slight town so far. Although I have my reservations. Cass as slight town too. Shad feels iffy to me a bit. I want to hear more from Laine.

[wish-tree]

I don't even know what that last bit about townie who was actually an SK meant.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you don't have a strong wolf read on anyone, it's especially useful. Hey, there's okay odds a wolf is pointing at another wolf because they happen to know that person is a wolf.

Thanks wolves!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't even know what that last bit about townie who was actually an SK meant.

 

Wasn't quite a townie, wasn't a serial killer, was a third party survivor with a kill power.

 

Tricky to define.

[Lenlo]

Zander felt abit defensive about Cass and hasnt done much since. That worries me with him.

 

Nolder im gonna let do his thing as I believe he will reveal himself as wolf or town on his own. I dont feel he has alot of lasting power, like he skews towards one direction or the other as the game progresses.

 

Kaylee havnt played with in forever. Same with Turin.

 

Ill agree with Pizzas read of Shad for now, but im going to want more from him before he gets out of my PoE

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

 

Shad, please attempt to describe your take on Lenlo's meta.

First ya Id like to hear your thoughts on Len's Meta.....and mine as well!!!!!!

Summarize everything I think I know about how Lenlo thinks and behaves as town vs as scum?

That's a long exercise, and one I find borderline counterproductive at this stage, and I don't really think of people as a list of dos and don'ts in the first place. The whole value of a meta read is that it allows you to catch people being dishonest in subtle ways that are not objectively alignment indicative.

I'll call what I see when I see it.

[V] Shad [/v]

Why are you voting Shad?

I think he is mafia. Do you think he is town?

 

He came out and said he had good meta on Lenlo. When asked to elaborate, he refused to do so. The story he told was gobbledygook to me. It leads me to believe he was merely making it up. I don't see a good reason to do that as town.

[Lenlo]

 

I don't even know what that last bit about townie who was actually an SK meant.

 

Wasn't quite a townie, wasn't a serial killer, was a third party survivor with a kill power.

 

Tricky to define.

 

The role was: Survive to F3, every night get a random role. So like a survivor Joat. I had no control over what powers I got each night.

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

 

 

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

 

this is not true all the time and you know it.

 

Do you believe, even if it is inaccurate, that this is her honest opinion? You're saying she's remembering incorrectly or is lying deliberately or neither.

I believe this is her honest opinion despite forgetting that simple fact.

I want to know what you think of me, actually. And since I trust you so far, I would also like your gut reads.

(What works, works. Meh.)

I think your slight town so far. Although I have my reservations. Cass as slight town too. Shad feels iffy to me a bit. I want to hear more from Laine.

I actually have nothing on Shad so far. He hasn't appeared yet to talk to me, but what Pizza/Lenlo said about his claiming he has meta on other people was interesting to me. I'd be curious to know what meta he actually has.

Talk to me about Shad. Gut read?

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

 

I don't even know what that last bit about townie who was actually an SK meant.

 

Wasn't quite a townie, wasn't a serial killer, was a third party survivor with a kill power.

 

Tricky to define.

 

The role was: Survive to F3, every night get a random role. So like a survivor Joat. I had no control over what powers I got each night.

 

 

I've never seen that exact role before. Was a unique experience.

 

I knew enough to neither trust you, nor chase you down as the top priority.

 

That's about what was needed.

[Lenlo]

I considered revealing as survivor that game, but I knew you wouldnt care and would lynch me, and everyone else would remember prior instances of me claiming survivor, and lynch me. I screwed myself with shooting you basically. Asked if I could take it back like right after submitting.

[Kaylee]

*snipped*

 

He came out and said he had good meta on Lenlo. When asked to elaborate, he refused to do so. The story he told was gobbledygook to me. It leads me to believe he was merely making it up. I don't see a good reason to do that as town.

Ok makes sense. I don't have a read on him yet. I questioned your vote because it came without explanation.

[Celeste]

 

 

 

 

 

 

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

this is not true all the time and you know it.

 

Do you believe, even if it is inaccurate, that this is her honest opinion? You're saying she's remembering incorrectly or is lying deliberately or neither.

I believe this is her honest opinion despite forgetting that simple fact.

I want to know what you think of me, actually. And since I trust you so far, I would also like your gut reads.

(What works, works. Meh.)

I think your slight town so far. Although I have my reservations. Cass as slight town too. Shad feels iffy to me a bit. I want to hear more from Laine.

I actually have nothing on Shad so far. He hasn't appeared yet to talk to me, but what Pizza/Lenlo said about his claiming he has meta on other people was interesting to me. I'd be curious to know what meta he actually has.

Talk to me about Shad. Gut read?

 

Yeah, from reading his posts once I joined. They seem a bit forced. What reads do you have?

[wish-tree]

Not quoting Turin/Pizza, but huh...

 

Two different interpretations of the same scenario - Pizza felt that the Shad explanation/reaction to the meta thing was towny, while Turin felt that it was scummy.

 

These are gut feels, right? No real basis? If not, please explain. The post rang null to me personally, but uhh, I would like to know why you think this.

[Turin Turambar]

 

*snipped*

 

He came out and said he had good meta on Lenlo. When asked to elaborate, he refused to do so. The story he told was gobbledygook to me. It leads me to believe he was merely making it up. I don't see a good reason to do that as town.

Ok makes sense. I don't have a read on him yet. I questioned your vote because it came without explanation.

Fair enough I guess. I did post the question and his non-answer which I thought made it clear.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I considered revealing as survivor that game, but I knew you wouldnt care and would lynch me, and everyone else would remember prior instances of me claiming survivor, and lynch me. I screwed myself with shooting you basically. Asked if I could take it back like right after submitting.

 

I had you in the POE so if you revealed as non-town I would have kept you in the POE, but not lynched you until after Andrej/BFG.

 

If you claim neutral with no killing role (lie) I might believe it. I'm wary of a neutral with a killing role. I assume it's a win-stealing role, third party play for keeps not plural win condition.

[Kaylee]

Please don't keep requoting a post to only make a small comment. It's better to snip it down to contain only what you're talking about...or just reference it. Otherwise it's hard to read.

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

 

this is not true all the time and you know it.

 

Do you believe, even if it is inaccurate, that this is her honest opinion? You're saying she's remembering incorrectly or is lying deliberately or neither.

I believe this is her honest opinion despite forgetting that simple fact.

I want to know what you think of me, actually. And since I trust you so far, I would also like your gut reads.

(What works, works. Meh.)

I think your slight town so far. Although I have my reservations. Cass as slight town too. Shad feels iffy to me a bit. I want to hear more from Laine.

I actually have nothing on Shad so far. He hasn't appeared yet to talk to me, but what Pizza/Lenlo said about his claiming he has meta on other people was interesting to me. I'd be curious to know what meta he actually has.

Talk to me about Shad. Gut read?

Yeah, from reading his posts once I joined. They seem a bit forced. What reads do you have?

I'm liking Cass, you, Pizza, maybe Lainey.

 

Reservations on calling Shad town or scum until he comes back to defend himself.

 

Lenlo and Kaylee are slightly towny for now.

 

Other people need to stop ignoring me and talk to me.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

Oops. Forgot to go back and get Lenlo-Shad posts.

 

Shad Obv Town, 11 more to go.

 

Ok so Lenlo's lock town ldo.

 

Freaky double timing and calling each other Town. Insta-paranoia says they could have planned it if they are wolves (let's have each other lock-Town! Wolves never do that!), attempt at rational/occam's brain says it is actually unlikely for W-W to interact so much and then blatantly call each other Town so early in the game.

 

I'm trying to go with rational where I can, or you're all going to be scum in my brain for the rest of the game.

 

 

 

haha

 

I almost want to legit town read you for saying that when I did.

Lets take this game by storm, me and you against the world.

 

 

This was the one that stood out most and made me go back and re-read. 

Basically, Shad sounded more carefree, Lenlo more controlled. I can't read Lenlo's bold but thoughts were if not sarcastic or good friends/frequently play together this 'against the world' (when Town is the majority) seems wolfy. Not pushing anything further, just an observation.

 

 

 

 

Cass I dont hate this response but look at like me and Cory in NBC it can just happen as well as town vs. town.  But maybe I missed the post I will double check but what do you think this actually is atp?  T/T, W/W, or one of each?

 

 

Maybe you missed what post?

 

100% agree could be T/T. I don't know what I think it is - there's not enough to go on yet and I don't know how to read either player. 

(Hence not pushing anything further :P). The explanation of my thought process on Lenlo is there because people asked for elaboration, my only pertinent observation is that I don't think they're W-W.

 

 

Ok my dear I didnt mean to tell you what to do!!!!  It was more a suggestion so Im honestly sorry if that rubbed you the wrong way!!!

 

Also you avoided answering the question really at all imo and Im not a fan of that at all.

 

And you know I   you but my post count will not stop!!!!

 

lolololololol

 

 

 

No great problems with this for now other than the bold, which stands out because I was 100% hyper-joking with my CAPS, and your response reads too serious to me (it's the "I'm honestly sorry" if that rubbed you the wrong way!!! that does it). Since when would anyone seriously yell 'DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!' right there??? 

 

I'm not a fan of people avoiding questions either (ENFPTWINFTWorsometimesfail!). I'll wait for your response to the post where I did answer the question before I make a call on the use of this :P

 

I didn't expect the post count to really stop!! 

 

 

I <3 you always and will never yell at you except in jest. For now. I'd need to know your alignment and be hugely frustrated for that to happen, IMO. I tend to keep a very tight reign on expressing serious negative emotions

 

 

 

 

First of all how do you think I feel forced?(1)   Second "our scum game" Have we played together before....???? Or are you referring to Alanna?(2)

 

Cory knows my soul and he will be able to help clear things up for you!!!!

 

 

1. Did you get to the post where I actually sat down and answered the question yet? Read on that (and this post) please..!

2. We've never played together before. I'm referring to Alanna.

 

I'm slightly insulted/incredulous that you think you may have forgotten if we'd played together. I also thought it was obvious that I was talking to Alanna, so you being dramatic about it makes me raise an eyebrow.

 

I don't particularly like the things I bolded coming from you, but when I look at the points I'm lining up against you it's like looking in a mirror. I will so laugh if we are T-T tinfoiling our way to misreads! I can totally see us doing so, based on paranoia/possibility personality. Again, not voting to lynch you yet. But if you're a wolf, I'm gonna hunt you down 

 

I think it's too early for either of us to call the other wolf tbh. Not removing wary gut feels, but definitely allowing for the possibility you may be Town  .

 

What's your actual take on our interactions right now?

 

 

 

 

Where you may have explained what it was i was looking for.

 

I will straight up as either alignment, apologize if I feel like a may have actually upset somebody or legit bothered them with something Ive said.  I've never played with you before so I have no idea about your posting style and mannerisms.  And I assume you've played enough mafia to know that a) people can get legit upset over stuff that doesnt seem to make sense why to others. b) People can fake being upset as well to serve their own agenda's and purposes right?

 

I wasnt quite sure hence why I asked my dear!!! 

 

Rest assured this runs both ways!!!!

 

ENFP paranoia mixed with pinged gut feels from both sides imo.  The thing from my end that I can speak on is I'm trying to determine if yours is legit or are you just trying to make it seem that way.