[Advanced] Nightmare Before Christmas - Town Wins!

[Shad_]

Shad your narrative is patently false and obviously wolfy. You are flat out lying at this point.

 

How can you say that I haven't called out your methods when that is literally what I am doing? If you want to say that I didn't call you out as it happened I would say that is true but it's also because I have missed large sections of this game because I am trying to get this house done and moved into before Christmas.

 

Your narrative also goes against the sequence of events. I couldn't go back to build a case on you because my points come after EOD where my suspicion began.

 

You are attempting to create some story about how I was waiting to attack you? That's bogus. I reread EOD and N1 and went to sleep. The following morning, and within like my first or second post of the Day I am already calling you a wolf. So please explain how what you say is true.

Red is exactly what I'm taking issue with.  Blue is potentially an honest explanation for it.  But does green jive?  Possibly.  I gather many of the "busy work" questions you say I asked come before EoD.  It could jive, if what you're saying is you didn't read a lot of my D1 content prior to reading my D1 EoD posts.  If that's what you meant you should have said it straight away.  Or did you say this and I missed it?  I will accept a quote here.  You said something about catching up from I think p40? at some point.  I'm willing to humor a sequence argument.

 

Orange, I have no reason to believe you weren't reading the thread just because you weren't posting in it.  That's kind of a silly point.  If you're town it's true, if you're scum it's a lie, and there's nothing to really prove it besides a flip/peek.

[Shad_]

 

Here's a thought: AJ isn't terribly keen on bussing, but Tab has made it pretty clear that she doesn't want to be here and she didn't even bother to self preserve at EoD. If they are scum mates, I think AJ would be more than willing to count his losses on her slot and try to do what he can to ensure a Tab scum flip makes AJ look good and sets up some mislynches. In other words, I think Tab should be peeked after we lynch AJ. AJ flipping scum definitely does not clear her.

Here you are linking me again which really aligns with your EOD antics. The part in which you failed though is that you show no actual interest in resolving Tab

 

 

I'm not linking you for 'protecting' Tab at EoD.  I don't think you protected her at all.  I created a scenario where you had absolutely no reason to switch your vote to her as either alignment.  I'm linking you for linking me.  Look at it this way: Tab is going to get lynched or peeked in this game.  That's pretty much a foregone conclusion.  It's not necessarily beneficial for the scum team to put off her lynch as long as possible, unless she's Godfather.  Scum!AJ could mislynch me and come out looking rather bad for it, then scum!Tab could go down and you wouldn't have particularly high town cred at the end of the day, or you can lynch your team mate first, look pretty great for that, and walk into D3 with a justification for stringing me up that town will buy and that won't look nearly as bad for you when I flip town.  The fact that you initially wanted to lynch Tab first and said that a Tab scum flip proves I'm scum too, yet you treated me as the scummier of the two of us, is troubling to me.  I would not rule out w/w in this scenario at all, and I want to see you hang first.

 

Red's a lie or a gross lack of attention.  I said out the gate that I was fine with lynching Tab today.  I said that if we lynched you today Tab should be the N2 peek.  Those are pretty decisive methods of resolution.  If you think I should be asking her questions/prodding her slot more, you had better remind her in scum QT to show up to the game, because right now that's not even an option.

 

I would rather lynch AJ peek Tab because I think AJ's more likely to be scum.  He is pretty damn scummy.  Tab is, for me at least, essentially a POE lynch.  I think there's a decent chance that you're both scum, and your treatment of this situation has a lot to do with it.  The third wolf is probably deep.  It could be Nolder maaaybe, but I continue to hesitate there today on the grounds that his game is radically different from his last scum game.  He's said scummy things.  Lots of them.  But I can't shrug off the feeling that if he's really scum he would have backed out of a lot of these battles more readily.

[Lenlo]

Who is your choice for third wolf Shad?

 

And personally I still think Tab is the lynch today. I dont want to let her slip through the net again, only to forget about her later.

[Lenlo]

You stated you thought Nolder maybe, but that doesnt seem like a particularly deep wolf to me. 

[Shad_]

Bottom line: I'm voting AJ.  As content stands I don't see that moving.  Come EoD, if AJ is not an option and there are competing trains I will make a call at that time, and the call will probably be Tab unless something significant changes.

[Shad_]

Who is your choice for third wolf Shad?

 

And personally I still think Tab is the lynch today. I dont want to let her slip through the net again, only to forget about her later.

 

 

You stated you thought Nolder maybe, but that doesnt seem like a particularly deep wolf to me. 

 

That's hard.  I feel sleazy dropping a name besides "not Dice or Lenlo" here because 1) I don't have a strong opinion on 3rd and 2) it's not something I'm inclined to think about too heavily because we will have a lot more info to work with and a town flip on AJ or Tab changes the picture.

 

But I'll humor you.  When I said "The third wolf is probably deep" I was kind of tinfoiling in my head on BFG and Pizza.  Do I actually think it's probable when I reflect on it a bit?  No.  Marginal doubts on BFG are just a combination of Pizza getting into my head and her not being around to maintain the behavior I was initially town reading her for.  Marginal doubts on Pizza are because I'm putting him in a pretty high tier.

[Shad_]

Bottom line though: I have no clue who the third wolf is and think it's silly to look that far ahead with the information we currently have.

 

Sometimes Shad is like D1 SCUM TEAM OUTED: X, Y, Z BAM EAT IT

Sometimes he isn't.

In the former case I'm rarely right on more than 1 of the 3.

[Nolder]

right jus copying and pasting nols spoiler

 

A

Didn't see anything too notable until I got to his vote on Snow. In case you don't remember it was pretty bad. Something bugged him about his entrance to the thread so...let's lynch him. Ok well I know how that can be sometimes so let me go back and read Snow's entrance. Here it is. I don't see anything wrong with it or the next few posts following it so now that we know Snow is town I'd like to see Dice justify his choice and reasoning here a bit more. Particularly looking for WHY the entrance bothered you and what struck you as scummy about it.

B

Here's something interesting. When Snow joined the game his first vote was on Lenlo. After voting Snow he made a comment about thinking Lenlo is town. It's a small thing and not at all incriminating but mafia is about drawing connections. I was skimming so I may have missed it but is there any reason for Dice to think Lenlo is town at this point? Did he ever say why he had this read on him? It's possible it's scum buddy bias leaking out into his play. Or not, who knows. Something to consider in the future maybe.

 

C

Another interesting tidbit. Snow would have had a slight scum lean on Dice had others not been townreading him.

 

D

Some weird progression towards EOD. He was kind of grilling Taborline and very focused on her and then he said I was tomorrows (todays) autolynch. It's possible this was in response to something I said but since I'm only looking at Dice's posts out of context I can't really tell. A little while later he made a post saying he wouldn't lynch Tab today because it's "too obvious". Not sure what that's supposed to mean if the reason for her lynch is activity reasons. Dice can you clarify on that?

 

E

Re: lynching me, Dice did make this post asking me to explain myself. It didn't come off as threatening or accusatory but more of a "I want to be on your side but you need to give me a reason to be" kind of thing. At least that's how I felt about it at the time. I did find it kind of off putting that what he was mainly concerned about was why I was around after the deadline fell. Especially when he defended me earlier in the game regarding not posting in the game but posting elsewhere on the forum. I really don't know what to make of that.

 

F

And last thing he did was leave a vote on Shad. That's pretty confusing since it was supposed to be me or Tab who was "auto lynch" today.

Dice can you make a reads list so we know where you stand with everybody in the game?

 

 

 

have added letters

 

A    Ive seen him enter like that before and it always bugs me. I dont really know why. I think he has done it as both town and scum. could be wrong  When i put the vote down I left him an opportunity to convince me he was town when he came back. Even said so iirc. He came back gave some crap post and left again. I wasnt convinced. Kept the vote

 

B    Lenlo. Tone and meta.

 

C  I think i questioned him about that

 

D I was grilling tab yes   shed been a major talking point   had made a comment about hearing more from me so i spoke direct. Autolynch comment was the timing of you turning up just after DL. You explained why later 

 

E see D   You have been giving me town nol bits and pieces but most people are talking about lynching you. I want to work you out.

 

F the Zander kill has me thinking it was a setup to get tab lynched. I know ive done that as mafia. Its too convenient.

A) Well that last bit is fair enough and I think a few people took that approach with Snow at the end. But I still don't get why it bothers you. Even more so if you say he's done it as town and scum and you know that. 

 

B) You do understand that's nothing quantifiable to me right? Unless you want to explain the meta and tell me what he's done in other games that he did in this game that's made you townread him there. And just for the record I'd rather you didn't because I don't even want to discuss meta anymore this game. It's all everyone is doing. I want steer this game as much towards concrete things as I can.

 

C) You might have. Remember I'm seeing these posts out of context most of the time unless I click to go see it in the thread and I'm also skimming. Do you remember if he answered?

 

D) Oh ok so it was right around the flip. That makes sense then.

 

F) Well you might be right. Try not to psych yourself out too much though man. In my experience with mafia my first instinct about those kinds of things is usually the right choice. I always regret psyching myself out and choosing someone else. Also I see you made a reads list in a separate post thank you.

 

[Nolder]

Although #1093 Nolder

 

I think this is the second time you've said something along the lines of "I never got around to making my point (regarding townies lying?), what point? And wouldn't it be easier to just make it?

Doesn't matter, it's really not important enough to bring back up even if I wasn't still mad at Shad about it.

 

You're right I could have just made my point and said what I wanted.

I could have asked questions and answered them myself in a single post.

It's not how I wanted to do it though. Rhetorical points such as the one I was trying to make tends to have more impact with participation.

Otherwise it comes off more as preaching you know?

Remember I was trying to convince Shad of something. The rhetoric wasn't for the audience this time.

That's why I got so mad because to me Shad wanted his questions answered but when it's my turn he did the equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and going "la la la I can't hear you......."

That's how it comes off to me anyway.

[Nolder]

Nolder, have you read end of day?

Why? Did I miss something else again like Xander doing backflips or something?

 

I did read it but I guess maybe I didn't read it as closely as I thought I had if people keep thinking I didn't.

[Nolder]

 

Man this game is just a mess.

 

For my fellow townies I have some advice for you and I think it's important: Focus on what's going on in THIS game. Drop meta arguments completely.

 

I think scum are using meta and past games as a shield not to discuss this game. I don't even know who's scum and who's just getting drawn in anymore but if you're town don't be drawn in. Make arguments based on this game and this game only. Don't get deflected to defending yourself because you were scum in another game, it's completely irrelevant and imo anyone doing it past this point needs to be looked at with a heavy dose of suspicion.

 

I'm going to do a kind of reset now and look at who's died so far and see what I can glean from that if anything.

 

I really wish Nolder had a gun, Nolder if you had a gun who would you shoot and why?

 

That's a really tough question man.

I don't know at this point.

 

My first instinct is to say Lenlo but that's just cause he's my top read and that's too easy. I'd rather lynch Lenlo if anything.

Then I consider the lower activity people to get them out of the way. Taborline, Thane, you, BFG.

Not sure how to choose between you though and don't want to waste my shot on a shot in the dark.

 

I think if I had a gun I'd holster for now and wait for better clarity.

[dicetosser1]

Bottom line: I'm voting AJ.  As content stands I don't see that moving.  Come EoD, if AJ is not an option and there are competing trains I will make a call at that time, and the call will probably be Tab unless something significant changes.

 

Know this: you pull any shenanigans at EOD again and if you are alive tomorrow you die

 

 

right jus copying and pasting nols spoiler

 

A

Didn't see anything too notable until I got to his vote on Snow. In case you don't remember it was pretty bad. Something bugged him about his entrance to the thread so...let's lynch him. Ok well I know how that can be sometimes so let me go back and read Snow's entrance. Here it is. I don't see anything wrong with it or the next few posts following it so now that we know Snow is town I'd like to see Dice justify his choice and reasoning here a bit more. Particularly looking for WHY the entrance bothered you and what struck you as scummy about it.

B

Here's something interesting. When Snow joined the game his first vote was on Lenlo. After voting Snow he made a comment about thinking Lenlo is town. It's a small thing and not at all incriminating but mafia is about drawing connections. I was skimming so I may have missed it but is there any reason for Dice to think Lenlo is town at this point? Did he ever say why he had this read on him? It's possible it's scum buddy bias leaking out into his play. Or not, who knows. Something to consider in the future maybe.

 

C

Another interesting tidbit. Snow would have had a slight scum lean on Dice had others not been townreading him.

 

D

Some weird progression towards EOD. He was kind of grilling Taborline and very focused on her and then he said I was tomorrows (todays) autolynch. It's possible this was in response to something I said but since I'm only looking at Dice's posts out of context I can't really tell. A little while later he made a post saying he wouldn't lynch Tab today because it's "too obvious". Not sure what that's supposed to mean if the reason for her lynch is activity reasons. Dice can you clarify on that?

 

E

Re: lynching me, Dice did make this post asking me to explain myself. It didn't come off as threatening or accusatory but more of a "I want to be on your side but you need to give me a reason to be" kind of thing. At least that's how I felt about it at the time. I did find it kind of off putting that what he was mainly concerned about was why I was around after the deadline fell. Especially when he defended me earlier in the game regarding not posting in the game but posting elsewhere on the forum. I really don't know what to make of that.

 

F

And last thing he did was leave a vote on Shad. That's pretty confusing since it was supposed to be me or Tab who was "auto lynch" today.

Dice can you make a reads list so we know where you stand with everybody in the game?

 

 

 

have added letters

 

A    Ive seen him enter like that before and it always bugs me. I dont really know why. I think he has done it as both town and scum. could be wrong  When i put the vote down I left him an opportunity to convince me he was town when he came back. Even said so iirc. He came back gave some crap post and left again. I wasnt convinced. Kept the vote

 

B    Lenlo. Tone and meta.

 

C  I think i questioned him about that

 

D I was grilling tab yes   shed been a major talking point   had made a comment about hearing more from me so i spoke direct. Autolynch comment was the timing of you turning up just after DL. You explained why later 

 

E see D   You have been giving me town nol bits and pieces but most people are talking about lynching you. I want to work you out.

 

F the Zander kill has me thinking it was a setup to get tab lynched. I know ive done that as mafia. Its too convenient.

A) Well that last bit is fair enough and I think a few people took that approach with Snow at the end. But I still don't get why it bothers you. Even more so if you say he's done it as town and scum and you know that. 

 

B) You do understand that's nothing quantifiable to me right? Unless you want to explain the meta and tell me what he's done in other games that he did in this game that's made you townread him there. And just for the record I'd rather you didn't because I don't even want to discuss meta anymore this game. It's all everyone is doing. I want steer this game as much towards concrete things as I can.

 

C) You might have. Remember I'm seeing these posts out of context most of the time unless I click to go see it in the thread and I'm also skimming. Do you remember if he answered?

 

D) Oh ok so it was right around the flip. That makes sense then.

 

F) Well you might be right. Try not to psych yourself out too much though man. In my experience with mafia my first instinct about those kinds of things is usually the right choice. I always regret psyching myself out and choosing someone else. Also I see you made a reads list in a separate post thank you.

 

 

 

A+  it just bugs me but i cant figure out if its my gut saying its scummy or just  that really sux and i hate it.

 

B+ I know and i didnt expand for 2 reasons 1 i dont wanna feed him a way to trick me and 2 i didnt want to go there either

 

C+ I dont think so but my minds kinda glazed on him now cause im really annoyed with his play

 

F+  As you can see I kinda went there lol hence im on tab

[Lenlo]

Alright well, Thanks Shad. As content stands for me, I dont see myself moving from Tab and I doubt AJ will move from you or Nolder from me. So we must sit and wait for the inactives to decide. Riveting.

[Nolder]

Ive already refuted most of these, but lets do it again.

 

 

Lenlo

 

 

A

I don't want to beat a dead horse here but I will be going over the reasons I suspect Lenlo as being scum here. Let's start with the first thing I noted which is what I saw as fencesitting. "I can sort of see what your getting at with Nolder but before I do anything on the matter I want you to spell it out for me." The language of "I can sort of see" stands out to me as fencesitting.

B

Says early on Xander is "bugging" him. He gets into it with him and...then backs off because he apparently misread something?

C

This is more confusing than damning in my opinion but I'd like to note that he seemed to think it was my responsibility to comment on people (mainly Nomi) linking me to Notbob. Beyond saying "I'm not" I don't know what he was expecting of me and just found the whole thing really weird.

D

I asked him to give his thoughts on me/Nomi with regards to our discussion and he put me off for a bit because he was on the phone then he quoted me posts that contained his thoughts about Nomi's case on me before I'd entered the game and began interacting with Nomi. The whole thing seemed evasive to me.

E

Made a read list and had Snow as null. Interesting because he ends up voting Snow. The bottom two are myself and Xander. I find this weird as well because I thought he was cool with Xander after their scuffle earlier so I'm not sure why Xander ended up back on the bottom of his reads. It's also weird because either around this time or not too long after I think I came out with my suspicions about Xander so unless he thought we were w/w bussing each other it's all kind of a weird position for us all to be in you know what I mean?

 

So he switched at last minute from me to Snow where his other choice was Tab. I don't really fault his reasoning though. He said his town reads were voting Snow while his scum reads were voting Tab. I do kind of wish he had a better reason but...ehh...it's Day 1 what are you gonna do. At least he had some kind of reason right? That doesn't always happen.

G

Ok so at some point he switches back and forth between me and Tab a few times. Can't make up his mind which one of us he'd like to lynch more I guess. Or maybe he's trying to find the path of least resistance?

 

 

 

 

 

A

I dont understand how this is fence sitting. I never stated I could go either way on you, I didnt say I could vote someone between 2 people, I asked for clarification of a long-winded post. If youll notice right after he gives me clarification I take a hard stance, post #171. That stance being its to early for most of his arguments to apply. To little time. Theres no fence to straddle here, so this point is moot.

 

B

Dont see what the confusion is here, I thought Zander said one thing, I attacked him for it, he pointed out he actually said something else, with my reason to push him gone I backed off and reevaluated. Pretty basic stuff man.

 

C

I wanted your opinion on it all Nolder. Thats all. All I have ever wanted from you, that you consistently refused to give, was your opinion. I want your reads and your posts and your logic so I can FIGURE YOU OUT. But at every turn you have denied me this and so I have become incredibly frustrated with you and come to the conclusion you are scummy.

 

D

Again you never specified you wanted it only about your "discusison" Nomi. I gave you quotes to answer your first question, you told me I answered the wrong question, I didnt have quotes for the second question so I gave me thoughts right then and there on the second question. I have been upfront with everything this game and your the only person that seems to think im being "evasive"

 

E

If youll remember, that reads list had Snow listed as "Lord Commander" and I didnt know who that was. As for being cool with Zander, no. I simply backed off when I realized I was wrong and tried to reevaluate. Zander didnt start town telling for me until he went into his case on Tab at EoD. Thats when I started finding him town.

 

F

Path of least resistance? Dude I have been pushing you since D1 and I have been with Zander about lynching Tab today since the beginning of N1. Im not looking for the path of least resistance, I am looking to get my top two scum reads lynched and I dont care which one.

 

Your entire argument on me is based on semantics, taking things out of context and twisting my intentions. You so strongly believe I am scum yet nothing in this case can you point to and say "Thats without a doubt, 100% scummy". Its always "Interesting", "really weird", "confusing" or asking leading questions like the path of least resistance.

 

 

 

With all that answered, Nolder, are AJ, Dice and myself your scum team or are you going to give this ISO for every player you listed as a suspect? Because I would very much like to see the remaining four if you could.

C) You may think it was intentional but I haven't meant to. I keep getting bogged down in these arguments and honestly I don't want to be in them. I've done nothing all game but argue pointless things. I know that and it's frustrating the hell out of me. That's why I'm just constantly mad in this game right now. It's with this whole situation. That said I still don't feel like it's my responsibility to comment on the wild theories people have about me just because they're about me. In that case I'd rather just shrug and say ok then argue or even comment on it. If you think that's scummy that's fine.

 

D) And again I thought it was pretty obvious. I'm paraphrasing here so I might be wrong but I THINK my exact words were something like "Ok well I just had a long night interacting with Nomi. Thoughts?" It's very heavily implied I wanted your thoughts on my interaction with Nomi not your thoughts on what Nomi said before I really entered the game.

 

"Your entire argument on me is based on semantics, taking things out of context and twisting my intentions. You so strongly believe I am scum yet nothing in this case can you point to and say "Thats without a doubt, 100% scummy". Its always "Interesting", "really weird", "confusing" or asking leading questions like the path of least resistance."

 

I didn't intend this to be a case. You'll notice I used the same language with Dice and AJ. I am pointing out things that stand out to me, especially in the context of the Snow lynch. There are things I brought up again like the fencesitting comment but this was supposed to be a broader look. I'm sorry if the whole thing came off as an attack.

[Nolder]

Didn't Leelou say we could have more time if we wanted it? Or did I imagine that?

I wouldn't mind some more time today it feels like we're just now getting into the meat of what we should be discussing.

Should we ask?

[Lenlo]

I was gonna do this as a PM after the game, but this works to. Nolder I am sorry if I was a dick, in lieu of words I cant say here. I got frustrated cause of the game and some RL stuff and let that bleed into how I treated you. There is no excuse for that. I am sorry. Luckily with the power of being a civil adult, I think I can play the rest of this game without doing that again. 

 

 

Didn't Leelou say we could have more time if we wanted it? Or did I imagine that?

I wouldn't mind some more time today it feels like we're just now getting into the meat of what we should be discussing.

Should we ask?

I thought that was just for D1? Feel free to ask though.

 

As for D, we have already hashed that out. Id prefer not to revisit the whole argument again and let people go back and look at it as it happened if they care enough to.

[Nolder]

Nah man we're cool. Shad too.

I know I'm not an easy person to get along with sometimes.

I get into plenty of arguments outside mafia so I know it.

 

Where's that gif from btw the chick looks familiar?

[Nolder]

@Leelou: Can we have a little more time thrown onto the clock? Even if it's not a full 24hrs it'll probably still help.

[Lenlo]

Nah man we're cool. Shad too.

I know I'm not an easy person to get along with sometimes.

I get into plenty of arguments outside mafia so I know it.

 

Where's that gif from btw the chick looks familiar?

Its hard for me to get frustrated with games, but once I do im not good of keeping it outside the game at all, so I always worry about going to far.

 

As for the gif, no idea. I googled shake hands gif and that was the best one that popped up.

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

AJ (2) - NotBob, Shad

Tab (2) - Lenlo, Dice

Shad (1) - AJ

Lenlo (1) - Nol 

BFG (1) - Pizza

 

It is now day. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. 

 

[Leelou]

@Leelou: Can we have a little more time thrown onto the clock? Even if it's not a full 24hrs it'll probably still help.

 

Added some time. 

[Nolder]

 

@Leelou: Can we have a little more time thrown onto the clock? Even if it's not a full 24hrs it'll probably still help.

 

Added some time. 

 

Thank you! I'll try not to waste it.

[Andrej]

 

Shad your narrative is patently false and obviously wolfy. You are flat out lying at this point.

 

How can you say that I haven't called out your methods when that is literally what I am doing? If you want to say that I didn't call you out as it happened I would say that is true but it's also because I have missed large sections of this game because I am trying to get this house done and moved into before Christmas.

 

Your narrative also goes against the sequence of events. I couldn't go back to build a case on you because my points come after EOD where my suspicion began.

 

You are attempting to create some story about how I was waiting to attack you? That's bogus. I reread EOD and N1 and went to sleep. The following morning, and within like my first or second post of the Day I am already calling you a wolf. So please explain how what you say is true.

Red is exactly what I'm taking issue with.  Blue is potentially an honest explanation for it.  But does green jive?  Possibly.  I gather many of the "busy work" questions you say I asked come before EoD.  It could jive, if what you're saying is you didn't read a lot of my D1 content prior to reading my D1 EoD posts.  If that's what you meant you should have said it straight away.  Or did you say this and I missed it?  I will accept a quote here.  You said something about catching up from I think p40? at some point.  I'm willing to humor a sequence argument.

 

Orange, I have no reason to believe you weren't reading the thread just because you weren't posting in it.  That's kind of a silly point.  If you're town it's true, if you're scum it's a lie, and there's nothing to really prove it besides a flip/peek.

 

 

Your gathering is wrong then. Yes, I did say that I was reading from page 40 onward, which again took me back through EOD and N1. The majority of your conversation with Nolder - that I mentioned - happened N1. I don't know where you're getting otherwise.

 

 

 

Here's a thought: AJ isn't terribly keen on bussing, but Tab has made it pretty clear that she doesn't want to be here and she didn't even bother to self preserve at EoD. If they are scum mates, I think AJ would be more than willing to count his losses on her slot and try to do what he can to ensure a Tab scum flip makes AJ look good and sets up some mislynches. In other words, I think Tab should be peeked after we lynch AJ. AJ flipping scum definitely does not clear her.

Here you are linking me again which really aligns with your EOD antics. The part in which you failed though is that you show no actual interest in resolving Tab

 

1) I'm not linking you for 'protecting' Tab at EoD.  I don't think you protected her at all.  I created a scenario where you had absolutely no reason to switch your vote to her as either alignment.  2) I'm linking you for linking me.  Look at it this way: Tab is going to get lynched or peeked in this game.  That's pretty much a foregone conclusion.  It's not necessarily beneficial for the scum team to put off her lynch as long as possible, unless she's Godfather. 3) Scum!AJ could mislynch me and come out looking rather bad for it, then scum!Tab could go down and you wouldn't have particularly high town cred at the end of the day, or you can lynch your team mate first, look pretty great for that, and walk into D3 with a justification for stringing me up that town will buy and that won't look nearly as bad for you when I flip town. 4) The fact that you initially wanted to lynch Tab first and said that a Tab scum flip proves I'm scum too, yet you treated me as the scummier of the two of us, is troubling to me.  I would not rule out w/w in this scenario at all, and I want to see you hang first.

 

5) Red's a lie or a gross lack of attention.  I said out the gate that I was fine with lynching Tab today.  I said that if we lynched you today Tab should be the N2 peek.  Those are pretty decisive methods of resolution.  If you think I should be asking her questions/prodding her slot more, you had better remind her in scum QT to show up to the game, because right now that's not even an option.

 

I would rather lynch AJ peek Tab because I think AJ's more likely to be scum.  He is pretty damn scummy.  Tab is, for me at least, essentially a POE lynch.  I think there's a decent chance that you're both scum, and your treatment of this situation has a lot to do with it.  The third wolf is probably deep.  It could be Nolder maaaybe, but I continue to hesitate there today on the grounds that his game is radically different from his last scum game.  He's said scummy things.  Lots of them.  But I can't shrug off the feeling that if he's really scum he would have backed out of a lot of these battles more readily.

 

1) You're right, I wasn't protecting her - which is why it's silly that you're trying to forge a link between us now. YOU created a scenario with DL approaching where Tab would not be lynched when I explicitly expressed my intent to move over. We weren't but an hour away at most when all this went down. So if anyone was protecting her, it was you.

 

2) That's an out and out lie. I never once made any sort of connection with you or Tab until you started to piggyback on Zander's theory before he got NK'd. It's a pretty common scum trait - matter of fact - it's how I caught the Darthe_alt in Nyn's game for nearly this exact same reason. So, in conjunction with your behavior revolving around Tab to your suggestion that we are related, it paints a pretty clear picture of your motive imo.

 

3) Frankly, I don't give a damn about any of this. I think you are scum. I think Tab is scum. I honestly don't care which of you goes first.

 

4) I do think Tab's scum flip nails you. Your point here isn't factual though, you are distorting the issue. Tab isn't here for me to interact or argue with, so instead you are receiving the brunt of it. I'm not treating you any differently than I would her in this instance, she simply isn't around to do so.

 

5) Hyperbole and posturing. You said you'd be fine lynching Tab as you voted me, then swapped to Nolder, and now back to me. Yeah - super convincing dude. Also the last sentence is gross and inflammatory rhetoric. Even if you are a wolf, you're better than that.

[Andrej]

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A wolf dies either way toDay and if this is the final nail I need to sink into Shad's coffin, so be it.

[Andrej]

Let her flip GF or something too with all your talk about peeking her lol

 

That would be priceless.

 

That's hard.  I feel sleazy dropping a name besides "not Dice or Lenlo" here because 1) I don't have a strong opinion on 3rd and 2) it's not something I'm inclined to think about too heavily because we will have a lot more info to work with and a town flip on AJ or Tab changes the picture.

 

But I'll humor you.  When I said "The third wolf is probably deep" I was kind of tinfoiling in my head on BFG and Pizza.  Do I actually think it's probable when I reflect on it a bit?  No.  Marginal doubts on BFG are just a combination of Pizza getting into my head and her not being around to maintain the behavior I was initially town reading her for.  Marginal doubts on Pizza are because I'm putting him in a pretty high tier.

 

Wants to lynch me first and peek Tab after. Talks about how us both being town changes the landscape.

 

Someone please tell me you see this narrative being spun.