[Advanced] Nightmare Before Christmas - Town Wins!

[Askthepizzaguy]

ok ZANDER   learn this JS   Zander needs to change careers. Why you ask"? cause he can drive a bus like no other.    Zander ALWAYS thinks he is town. I and len just scummed with him   we kept pointing out that he was actually MAFIA    his responses?  Im town. EVERY TIME. even saying he was town and just had a really large mafia team to lynch. He does NOT comprehend being anything other then town.  So if ure after him cause he said a num ber of times he is town?  give it up  it means nothing. Also  do you actually expect someone to come out and say "Im Mafia?"   excluding tommyrod.

 

Tell me  how u going to decide who to lynch first between Zander and Tab?

^

Bout sums up the impression I got after learning he was actually scum that time.

 

Dice, I don't know if you do this or not, but if consensus isn't on John Snow, would you follow onto Taborline, and/or others I would agree with? Or is it John Snow or the highway presently.

[dicetosser1]

id vote tab

 

 

im just looking at the posts where you talk about consnsus on seering and turning nol into a murder subject   i will respond to those shortly

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh good the forum's back up.

 

I suppose I'd better get used to this, with a daytime awake schedule and a Norwegian location. That 11am forum quirk is going to be an everyday thing.

[dicetosser1]

#686 Attention as of post #686 Nolder has turned tail and run. He has realized he was wrong, but instead of owning up to it he runs away to hide behind the skirts of "others". He waits for them to form his defense for him, rather than making one himself and he continues to not talk about anything else of relevance.

 

This has been a PSA from your neighborhood Lenlo. Stay safe town and remember, always lynch wolves.

 

LMAO  now THATS  like the old Len i remember!  thanks for the laff bro.

 

 

If Nolder is town, how do we turn him into a murder target instead of a lynch target?

 

Question is for everyone.

 

if im a vig and I lynch snow today i probably follow the Tress and Wombat School of Vigging.  ALWAYS shoot Nolder N1. the other contender for a bullet is NotBob. slightly more hesitation on shooting NB cause hes the sort that you shoot and then hes liable to flip something important that u never giessed even if u waited til d3

[Askthepizzaguy]

If we had a vig and not a seer then I advocate for shooting people who can't outpost the game moderator.  Call it a WOG and be grateful it didn't sink a lynch.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

If Nolder is town, how do we turn him into a murder target instead of a lynch target?

 

Question is for everyone.

 

I don't think I understand.  But let me just say its kinda irrelevant to me cause I don't think he's Town.  Also odds Mafia NK's him when he's under this much pressure is prolly slim to none imo.  Maybe I'm missing something but this kinda seems pointless to me.  If i'm missing something please enlighten me.

 

 

The people the mafia choose to murder are often choices they don't make, but ones we make.

 

If we could get consensus that he needs to be scanned by a seer, that's probably the only way I don't lynch him today, since I now have enough support to make that happen probably.

 

If he is town, him being scanned town would really be a problem for the mafia. He then absorbs a murder. They don't really have a choice in the matter.

 

If he's not town, he's caught anyway, and he continues to flounder and give away data.

 

This plan is bad for town if he's exactly a mafia godfather, except.... him never being murdered would then give THAT away, and basically serve as a Godfather-investigation result. Him being alive late game while scanned innocent means he's godfather 9/10 times. And a Godfather would otherwise survive if they were scanned innocent late game. So, he's not acting like a townie, scan him now. If he comes back innocent he's gotta be murdered. If he's not murdered he's Godfather.

 

If he's guilty, that means you have a scan result on someone who was not murdered, it makes our seer a seer. Scanning someone who was murdered, like me in the previous game, does jack shit.

 

That is how you turn Nolder into a must-murder, and vastly improves town's position if he's town, and mildly improves town's position if he's scum.

 

If he's scum, the best course of action is to lynch him blind. But this is your viable alternative.

 

I'd lynch him blind if this plan is not acceptable.

 

 

im not down with this consensus on copping him.  and yes i saw  ure post about other alternatives. I was glad to see it actually because i was thinking you had forgotten this was an advanced game. there are probably shenanigan type roles around and nolder is a prime candidate for those roles.

 

Id rather he either get lynched, get vigged tonight or be copped at a later point when scum cant expect it. perhaps not BE copped and just seer clear a bunch of peeps.

[dicetosser1]

vigging low posters is stupid. its as bad as lynching them just cause they are low posters. better to vig counter trains that actually seem scummy or just never get moving when they really should have imo

[Nolder]

@ Nolder Your best bet is Tabor for an actual lynch, or Thane for a suspect we both agree on.

Let's see if we can get something going then.

 

[v]Thane[/v]

[Nolder]

I can't believe it's been so many years and I don't even have 20,000 posts on DM yet.

 

I guess I'm just not the spammer I was in my younger years.

[Askthepizzaguy]

vigging low posters is stupid. its as bad as lynching them just cause they are low posters. better to vig counter trains that actually seem scummy or just never get moving when they really should have imo

 

I may have been at this too many hours now. What do you mean by the latter bit about counter trains? I think I'm getting the general idea but I can't tell if you mean the target of a counter train, or the folks pushing one.

[dicetosser1]

the Target of the counter train  

[John Snow]

Took a quick scan of the thread. Don't have nearly enough time to respond to everything. 

 

@Zander driving a bus that can stop: I wasn't aware. I didn't think he'd be up to that. 

@Zander thinking he's always town: Doesn't track with the above. Town doesn't bus. You don't lynch the cop as town. Just FTR. 

@Making Nol a NK. I don't think there's a situation I'd shoot Nol as mafia here. Not even if he got copped. I'd sooner aim for the cop/doc. Only situation I see Nol being a target is if he's outed as doc and confirmed town by cop. If he's cop, it's still a possible ML because he "could be lying." My 2c. 

@Consolidation. I've seen a couple of posts re: this. It's hybrid hammer, so we don't need to hit max for a lynch. Not sure if the people posting about it remembered (and yes, I'm aware that building higher trains and having a train that's higher than the rest is important)

@Zander being scum: Town statements are what caught my eye. There's a couple other small things, but that's the main one for me. 

 

Anyone has anything quick they want me to look over, I'll be watching for the next ~15mins. 

[Leelou]

Vote Count
 
Snow (2) - Dice, AJ
Taborline (2) - Zander, NotBob
Nol (2) - Lenlo, Pizza
Zander (1) - Snow
Thane (1) - Nol
 
Not Voting - Taborline, BFG, Thane, Shad
 
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline Wednesday 4 pm Pacific Time (GMT -8 hours)

[John Snow]

Alright I'm out. I may be on in about 6.5~7 hrs from now before my final to check in. I won't be reading the thread in between. I'll be in for like 15 minutes for someone to update me if we've happened to run up a PR and for whatever reason only have one person online. You know, usual DM EoD shenanigans. 

 

Oh yeah, and two other things directed at me.

@Liking Zander's case. I'm well-adjusted enough to recognize that you points have merits even if I don't trust you a bit. 

@Shad_: Your slot's solid from Lyn's stuf at beginning of day (I commented on it back then). Your slot was 7/10 then. Your play has increased that to where it is. 

[John Snow]

Also I probably won't be on before other than the checkin before DL. 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

#686 Attention as of post #686 Nolder has turned tail and run. He has realized he was wrong, but instead of owning up to it he runs away to hide behind the skirts of "others". He waits for them to form his defense for him, rather than making one himself and he continues to not talk about anything else of relevance.

 

This has been a PSA from your neighborhood Lenlo. Stay safe town and remember, always lynch wolves.

HAHAHAHA

 

I'm sure you'd like nothing better than to bog the thread down in argument but I'm not going to bite.

You are wrong and it's obvious you're wrong. You're avoiding giving your thoughts.

Big mistake and it's going to get you lynched eventually. 

I don't have any reason to continue the conversation but maybe you do.

 

You have yet to prove me wrong. You have yet to say how I am wrong. You have yet to address the issue of me answering your question and then you putting another question in its place. You are running away from a battle you cant win and then trying to blame it on me by saying I want to bog down the thread. Bog it down with what? a legitimate discussion that could determine two alignments? You dont want that? You dont want to try and catch me in a lie, a slip, a misrep, anything? You just wanna unvote me and wait for someone else to agree with you?

 

You say its obvious but no one agrees with you. You say I am avoiding giving my thoughts yet no one agrees with you. Your wrong.

YOU are the one obviously wrong.

YOU are the one avoiding giving thoughts by running away from the one case you bothered to build and then saying your gonna "review the thread".

 

Stop running Nolder. Talk to someone. You say I am scum yet you give up on your own case on me, the only case youve bothered to build. Its pitiful.

 

Lets lynch this turkey.

 

[unvote][v]Nolder[/v]

 

 

Is it Wednesday?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

If Nolder is town, how do we turn him into a murder target instead of a lynch target?

 

Question is for everyone.

 

I don't think I understand.  But let me just say its kinda irrelevant to me cause I don't think he's Town.  Also odds Mafia NK's him when he's under this much pressure is prolly slim to none imo.  Maybe I'm missing something but this kinda seems pointless to me.  If i'm missing something please enlighten me.

 

 

The people the mafia choose to murder are often choices they don't make, but ones we make.

 

If we could get consensus that he needs to be scanned by a seer, that's probably the only way I don't lynch him today, since I now have enough support to make that happen probably.

 

If he is town, him being scanned town would really be a problem for the mafia. He then absorbs a murder. They don't really have a choice in the matter.

 

If he's not town, he's caught anyway, and he continues to flounder and give away data.

 

This plan is bad for town if he's exactly a mafia godfather, except.... him never being murdered would then give THAT away, and basically serve as a Godfather-investigation result. Him being alive late game while scanned innocent means he's godfather 9/10 times. And a Godfather would otherwise survive if they were scanned innocent late game. So, he's not acting like a townie, scan him now. If he comes back innocent he's gotta be murdered. If he's not murdered he's Godfather.

 

If he's guilty, that means you have a scan result on someone who was not murdered, it makes our seer a seer. Scanning someone who was murdered, like me in the previous game, does jack shit.

 

That is how you turn Nolder into a must-murder, and vastly improves town's position if he's town, and mildly improves town's position if he's scum.

 

If he's scum, the best course of action is to lynch him blind. But this is your viable alternative.

 

I'd lynch him blind if this plan is not acceptable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Onions!  This guy trying to direct the Cop.  

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

For me, right now:

Alanna

Thane

Lenlo

Dice

 

Pizza

Tabor

BFG

Zan

Notbob

Andrej

 

Nolder

Snow

Top of page 34, going to bed, and I have to wake up way way way too soon. -_-

 

I'm at something like this.

BFG

Lenlo

Pizza

Dice

AJ

Zander

NotBob - put a lot of thought into this slot and I'm feeling pretty okay with him so far.  I've got a question out there for him to answer yet.

Thane

Taborline

Nolder

John Snow

 

Pretty stoked that my previous incarnation had the same scum pile.  We shall GOAT or fail together. 

 

 

I missed it...do a favor and ask again?

[Taborline]

Tab continued:

 

 

It's actually taken me all day to catch up with the whole thread, and I still feel like I have very few notes.

 

I feel quite good about Pizza, though I don't really have much meta to go on there. I only played with you once in Mafia, but I don't think I can trust that meta as you were trying to disguise yourself (if your usual post style is like this, long and detailed, then it could have been quite the give away). I do feel like you are putting it out there and solving, though.

 

This post of Lenlo's bothered me a little bit, maybe the way he's interacting with AJ, i.e. "What do you think? I think..." instead of waiting to hear AJ's answer first.

 

 

 

I was teasing about the thinking part, though I'm sure you know that.

 

You're just coming across more... thoughtful/thorough(?) here than in our last game where I mislynched you D1 :(

Its cool. Im not gonna let a deadline sneak up on me this game, and the only final I have left is in a class I have a 96 in so im not stressed about it at all. Im basically already on break. 1 more year and I will be college grad. To bad I gotta prep to try and get into Grad school :P

 

So AJ, what do you think of Pizza? He looks good to me. Hes figuring stuff out, trying to piece it together with what small stuff we have. But hes been kinda focused on Nolder through it all, interacting with others with Nold as the topic. Only game I have had with him was the game he was Nomi in, and as scum we offed him pretty quickly so I dont have a baseline for him.

 

 

Zander feels a bit more subdued than usual, but I think he did say he's busier now than usual as well.

 

I do want to see more from Dice that isn't about the rules/forum etiquette, as last time you posted strongly in that way, you turned out to be scum :P

 

 

First re: Pizza you say you have no real Meta on him, then you say you dont trust the little that you do have.  As an inexperienced player I find that it a little strange that you are strictly basing this off of putting it out there (which you've SEEN Scum do as well) and just really game solving makes you feel really good about him.....feels like your just going with the general consensus with the a pretty weak only reason imo.

 

Second re: Lenlo-  That is the reason this post is bothering you....????!!!  Come on now.  Asking someone opinion on someone while giving your own is bothering you?

No I don't get that at all.  Weak reasoning again imo.

 

Third re: me.  That's it?  Only thing you can come up with?

 

Fourth re: Dice-  Come on YOURE telling other people you wanna see more from them???  Seems pretty hypocritical there Tab.

 

I'm sorry for being inactive, I have actually been really busy at work this week.

 

 

First: Yes, with not much to go on on D1, that kind of posting does make me feel better about someone. I don't see what the issue is there, especially as this post was made a while ago.

 

Second: Yeah, at the time, it was. That was as far as I had read when I made that post, and of anything, it stood out most to me.

 

Same re: Dice, hypocritical from a standpoint NOW, when I've been away, but at the time, I think it was a legitimate comment.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Caught up.  Like my vote.  Doubt I'm around near the DL.  

[Nolder]

Falling asleep, don't think I'm going to get those posts about Xander and Lenlo up like I wanted to.

Don't think it's too big of a deal though since I don't think either of them are being lynched today anyway.

Looks like I'm wasting my vote on Thane as well.

Nomi if you and I both move our vote we'll be over halfway to a hammer.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Taborline[/v]

[Leelou]

Vote Count
 
Taborline (3) - Zander, NotBob, Nol
Snow (2) - Dice, AJ
Nol (2) - Lenlo, Pizza
Zander (1) - Snow
 
Not Voting - Taborline, BFG, Thane, Shad
 
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline Wednesday 4 pm Pacific Time (GMT -8 hours)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I probably won't hammer early or put anyone in position to be hammered early.

 

Taborline is around now so, hopefully the additional time will be enlightening,

[Askthepizzaguy]

Taborline, BFG, Thane, Shad?

[Zander?]

Ok shoveling a bunch of snow after a snow storm followed by freezing rain sucks.  But its finished go gg Me!!!!