Diablo the mafia game!

[Clovdyx]

 

I don't know my top three scum.  You, Notbob, Tress?

....

 

Pretty sure you didn't name a single scum. It's a good thing I won the belt for the steel cage match in Rustlemania - even if a Townie eventually lost due to lack of effort.

 

 

...There's a decent enough chance I didn't.  I have no real read on Tress/Pral/Notbob/Tab/Thane at this point.  Numbers alone suggest there's one, if not two, mafia in there.  I went notbob because his pop in at EOD was absolutely fantastic, and Tress because I wasn't sure what she was trying to say about Lenlo and me (specifically how Lenlo responded to my push of him...I definitely was presenting him in a negative light, but I don't know that I would say I pushed Lenlo over some other people).  

 

Am I going to feel bad if it's Thane or Pral?  Nope.

[Yates]

*Waits for Clov to get to the good stuff...

[Clovdyx]

In the spirit of helping actual Town, though, I already answered the first. Bender wasn't getting lynched. Good job saving your scum bro.

 

There's more to it, of course. Sad that Lenlo had to die but first I needed to rule out the possibility that Zander was busing [this doesn't look like a bus game for him, obv]. And second, I wanted to see who would react to my vote shift and how. I'll get way more in depth with this after you've answered my QB question, of course.

 

What do you mean what was I thinking? This isn't either of our first mafia games together. I wanted final reads. Thought that was pretty clear?

 

What do I mean?  I mean, you vote somebody at deadline that you've been ~townreading for however long for no explanation, for no reason, and then ask him to find the scum on the wagon.  

 

You're almost certainly right that Bender wasn't getting lynched...which means your point about "needing to rule out bussing" is absolute bullshit.  You could have stayed on the person that you legitimately wanted to lynch and had the EXACT same outcome - Lenlo is still going to be the lynch, and you would still have the information you're asking for.  So no, I don't buy that reasoning at all.

[Yates]

Okay.  Great.  QB's?

[Shad_]

 

Scum need to scumtell more imo. -_-

You need to pay attention more imo. Like... did you open the spoiler in 835? Or notice the slip I mentioned in 957???

 

And JFC do I hate your Tress vote right now.

 

I don't know if 957 was a slip really. I don't honestly expect Zander to pay attention to shc stuff because, well, Zander, and I have no reason to believe the thought would have crossed Besie's mind in her first game. Is there anything about it that would make this oversight more likely to come from scum!Zander?

 

But then in #825 Zander acts like he noticed the SHC scenario but didn't buy it.  That's not quite as easy for me to swallow. I mean, really, he was so unconvinced by it that he still had me, Thane, Clov, and Tab all above BFG?

 

 

 

Zander, thoughts on Tress?

 

And do you feel BFG isn't shc?

 

Only played one game with her a long time back so I don't have a lot to go on. I'd like to think Town!Tress would post more and be a little more involved. But mostly its coming down to PoE especially cause we have 2 players not in the game at all.

 

Tbh i wanna but I don't understand the AJ kill in the first place. I mean he was very obv providing cover imo.

 

i need to look back and see what i come up with after.

 

 

As for #835, it told me that they had zero interest in maintaining seer cover. I'm still not convinced it was originally intended as seer cover in the first place.

 

Interesting note from the WoT I never posted: Clov originally didn't take Besie's read on me as seer cover either, but said it was obvious seer cover later on. Let me dig up that section from the text file.

 

 

#201 -- Doesn't seem to interpret Besie's claim that I'm town as seer cover, says I'm pretty null so far. ~~I didn't immediately read it as seer cover either. I think this is possibly a town sign for Clov. I don't know. I want to think scum hunting for the seer would make note of the post and wait to see if Bender formally commits to having peeked my slot later. But that's a pretty loose thread and irrelevant if w/w.

 

#282 -- Lenlo had asked for Clov's take on Yates. Clov starts by saying "Both of the posts from Shad and Blesie were quite obvious in their purpose".

 

~~Were they Clov?

 

 

 

 

Sooh/Shad is town.

I don't have any reason to dispute this, but I'm not there yet. Sooh's been absent so far, and Shad's done nohting alignment indicative for me.

 

 

 

~~I don't believe you initially interpreted Besie's statement irt my slot as a peek, but I don't know that this indicates anything. If it seemed obvious to you later you might have still made the statement in #282 and forgotten your initial reaction. Hard to say.

 

[Shad_]

 

its certainly something I take into consideration especially when the person who said it is my top scum read.

LOL - it's like you forgot I wasn't your top scum read anymore? wtf?? lmao.

 

I don't completely follow this. Humor that I might be dense and explain.

[Songstress]

Okayyyyy, AJ ISO.... has too many quotes and I' m tired of trying to edit it so I'mma split what I've got left into 2 and hope it works.

 

 

 

BFG is a villager btw

 

First game content is his fake peek - as I recall there wasn't much if any gameplay happening yet, and this read to me like him trying to jump start the discussion and start seer cover. Very pro-town move, which helped me form my strong town read yesterday.

 

Next real game content is here...

 

I guess talking about Shad's wet dream killed the thread :(

 

[v]Clov[/v]

 

Have liked him least of everyone thus far.

 

Votes Clov as the one he's been least comfortable with, followed by the exchange about not being invited to his bachelor party and more wet dream related joking.  The Clov vote prompts more interaction with Tab and with Clov himself...

 

 

 

What is it about Clov that you don't like most of anyone?

 

Just a vibe I get

 

 

when I drive by six people and five I hit

 

 

 

 

 

What is it about Clov that you don't like most of anyone?

 

I have thoughts on this, but I'll wait until he answers.

 

 

Do share

 

 

He follows Clov's response with this exchange about how Clov didn't seem to even consider that he might not be town:

 

Don't both of those scenarios assume I am town?

 

 

would you rather he assume you are Mafia AJ?

 

 

No. The point is he didn't even seem to think I could be

 

After further discussion...

 

 

 

 

Don't both of those scenarios assume I am town?

 

I would certainly say the first does. I don't see any reason you couldn't do the latter as mafia.

 

 

Right.

 

 

He ends up conceding the point that he could have been stirring the pot with his vote on Clov as either town or mafia.

 

Here he agrees with Clov on his null read of Sooh/Shad:

 

 

 

Sooh/Shad is town.

 

I don't have any reason to dispute this, but I'm not there yet.  Sooh's been absent so far, and Shad's done nohting alignment indicative for me.

 

 

 

We can agree on that.

 

And elaborates further on his thoughts wrt Shad and Clov:

 

 

Well that's cool.

 

From my POV I have to decide whether I think Shad is actually trying to figure out Besie or if he wants it to look that way. I've seen him talk before as scum about playing to his meta, like hitting wickets or something, and looking at their interaction I get the "playing with my prey" impression that he's said to me personally about how he handles potential suspects.

 

TLDR - we'll see.

 

Clov I like marginally better but I don't think any of the observations he's made are outside of his capability as scum. He understands the perspective game and would know he needs to look like he's evaluating my intent. Still a bit curious about his original statement though.

 

Anyway - DL is tomorrow so let's start buckling down and discussing people. I'm starting to see some seer cover so that's much appreciated.

 

 

 

 

 

@Clov the one I said you'd have to assume I was town for

 

I have a good feeling Thane is a villager. I liked Yates earlier too.

 

Gives a mild town read on Thane and Yates here...

 

 

 

Are these guts reads AJ or do you have some reasoning you can reference?

 

Mostly gut tbh. I liked their tone coming into it even if the game hadn't really taken off yet.

 

 

Then clarifies that these are based on gut/tone.

 

Unvotes Clov here.

 

 

 

 

Part 2 incoming.

[Shad_]

@ BFG

 

 

(also sorry Besie. I'm trying to catch my tablets autocorrect of your name, but I'm missing a fair few )

 

No problem.

 

How much talking are you doing with Besie?

 

He's CLEARLY not talking to me enough. I've starting irritating him with everything now. I don't like that he just discards my thoughts, irrespective of how new I am.

 

 

Yates, give me your spin on this post.

[Clovdyx]

 

Regardless, if he was intentionally playing up the DrunkZander effect as an act to avoid meaningful interactions at EOD, that would be .... uncool, to say the least. Kind of like lying about RL as an excuse to avoid playing. I don't know, and I'll have to evaluate his actions outside of that because it's speculative at best, and borders on angleshooting at worst.

I agree. Though I'm sure he didn't think of it as "lying" so much as having fun with role playing. I think it's fair to evaluate given that his drunk posting appeared fairly contrived, imo. I'll double check time stamps but the difference in clarity was STARK.

 

Clov was there. But he's very likely Bender's scum buddy so I'm not sure how honest he will be.

 

 

 

 

 

*is special*

Always.

 

Can you give me an assessment on something? You were on Skype last night just after end of day. You saw Zander typing. How do you think he "sobered up" quickly enough to be so much more intelligible there than here? It's like.... magic?

 

I honestly don't remember much from Zander after EOD in Skype - at least not for a couple of hours afterward, and then not a lot. I haven't a clue how fast he sobers up once he calls it quits - I know I've seen Cory be nearly incoherent but within a few hours sober enough to feel comfortable driving home (not that I'd reoommend it ).

 

Regardless, if he was intentionally playing up the DrunkZander effect as an act to avoid meaningful interactions at EOD, that would be .... uncool, to say the least. Kind of like lying about RL as an excuse to avoid playing. I don't know, and I'll have to evaluate his actions outside of that because it's speculative at best, and borders on angleshooting at worst.

 

 

I can't believe I'm dignifying either of these posts with a response, and I messaged Cory on skype to see if I'm even allowed to post this.  He hasn't gotten back to me, so I'm going to do it anyways.  If I get modkilled, whatever.

 

Yates's point about Zander being more coherent is not wrong, but still misleading...and tbh stupid.  Zander might be scum - I doubt it, but I've been wrong before - but the difference in "drunkness" between here and skype shouldn't really affect your reasoning.  The fact you're bringing it up, Yates, makes me wonder just how desperate you are to get this lynch through.  Like, if you're right based on his gameplay, then good on you; if he gets lynched because of that, you should genuinely feel bad about yourself.

 

That said, here we go.

 

 

 

 

These are not all the messages.  I have better things to do than go through two hours of a 20 person skype chat to make sure I get EVERY single thing he said.

 

[12/3/2015 9:03:03 PM] Zander: capt morgan ftw!!!!

[12/3/2015 9:03:11 PM] Zander: ckear

[12/3/2015 9:03:17 PM] Zander: clear

cm3 n rhe capt make it hallenlolololololololl

swwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

LOVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ME!!!!

SADFCE.GIF

COMMANDO LDO!!!!!

weal

weak

lets do stuffd

like love maf

live

[12/3/2015 9:57:01 PM] Zander: TATES!!!!!

[12/3/2015 9:57:07 PM] Zander: yated!!!!!!!

yatyes!!!!!!

i no need soeak rigt you all understand Zanderese/!!!!!!!!

[12/3/2015 9:59:26 PM] Zander: i neber bretray cory lod

[12/3/2015 9:59:28 PM] Zander: ldo

beet n live all i need!!!!!!!

correh let wrevk thesr wolves!!!!

em in muh toen ldo

WTG IS BATTTLE SNAKRS?

 

[Songstress]

AJ ISO part 2 STILL HAS TOO MANY QUOTE BLOCKS....

 

 

 

 

I don't understand what you're curious about.  You either had a reason, or you were saying something to say it (basically trying to move the same into serious discussion).  Considering I hadn't done a damn thing in terms of actual content - and couldn't reasonably have been expected to - any reason would stem from "tone" or effort, and you trying to say I'm different from how you've been me before is reasonable enough.

 

If you were just saying it to draw up activity or see how people reacted, it doesn't mean anything for your alignment.  

 

Call it a blend of both. Like cheap scotch, or something.

 

I genuinely wasn't thrilled with your game entry and figured you (and the rest of the game) could use a little kickstart considering the DL is fast approaching and we hadn't really progressed anywhere meaningful. I think it served it's job pretty well.

 

Your posts on pg15 I like a lot and remind me of the gloriously chinned brute that is Fishdyx, hence the unvote.

 

<< snipped extraneous quotes because LOL DM>>

 

Alright so after all that I feel most comfortable going after Clov to see what happens, Notbob to get him in here or a no lynch. Lynching inactives doesnt give us alot to go off regardless of their flip. No lynch basically gives the scum a free day and on D1 atleast theres a decent chance their kill doesnt tell us to much about the game cause there isnt alot to go on. Id like it if someone more experienced with No Lynchs weighed in on this.

 

Cause of this, [v]Clov[/v] cause hes the best of some crappy options today.

 

There was more but DM lost it, so bleh.

 

I'm not a fan of your approach here. You list three options, immediately dismiss two of them... and just settle on voting Clov? I mean, do you think he's actually scummy or what? You talked a lot about his reaction and how he could've done differently, most of which was incorrect, but I don't recall you at any point actually saying that you thought he was being scummy.

 

Also, I know you've been playing for a long time. Longer than I have I'm pretty sure, so I find it hard to believe you don't understand the pros/cons of No Lynching.

 

@ Len

 

Agreeing somewhat with you on Dice.  Like the post about "AJ would you rather he..."  especially after:

 

Like I don't understand what kind of answers he is looking for.  The vote does feel like a joke to me and as far as piling on it was pretty early on D1 so I'm pretty meh about it.

 

I'm not exactly thrilled with Dice so far either.

 

<< snipped extraneous quotes >>

 

Beyond what I said about your hydra and Dice earlier, not really.  I have a very minor - and stupid - reason to be suspicious of AJ that I'm just not going to address today (if my suspicions are wrong, it's going to screw us over; if I'm right, I'm not getting him lynched over it anyways).

 

Mixed feelings about Lenlo.  I think you're right that he's working towards solving, and that's obviously a good thing, but I feel almost every point he's making is refuted by just examining the thread and using basic logic that I have a hard time considering it genuine.

 

I'd really love to know about the underlined stuff. Maybe save it for post game?

 

Agree on the italics. Like idk if he's legit trying to sort out the situation or just finding something to attack with the DL looming.

 

Pretty much completely even.  Both of the posts from Shad and Blesie were quite obvious in their purpose, so I saw absolutely no reason for him to question them, and I didn't think Zander's point about him ignoring AJ's peek was bad.  I think Yates could see them as being either unconvincing/possibly inaccurate though, so I'm not ruling out the possibility he was trying to be "helpful".

 

If deadline was in five minutes, I would lynch him just to save Bender, but numbers alone would make me expect him to flip town.

 

Pretty sure that was exactly what he was doing since he shortly after linked the Seer Cover 4 N00bs blog. He didn't mention my peek because obviously it's legit, and he also later explained that those two were most current.

 

FTR - the "helpful" thing is alignment neutral imo

 

<< quote of my "Vitamin D Deficiency" post snipped because TOO MANY QUOTED POSTS>>

 

Lenlo should be the center of discussion right now.

 

I agree, though I haven't decided which side of the fence I'm gonna fall on yet.

 

What's your opinion?

 

 

Seems to be satisfied here with Clov's alignment, starts showing some suspicion of Lenlo, says he's "not thrilled" with Dice, soft defends Yates against Clov's suggestion he was being "helpful", and finally indicates he hasn't yet decided which way he's leaning on Lenlo.

 

 

I'm not interested in lynching Yates or Zander.

 

Dice is wolfy.

 

Len is wolfy.

 

These are the people we should be focused on.

 

Here he takes Yates and Zander off the table, and is most suspicious of Dice and Lenlo.

 

 

Shad has wolfiness about him but I'll let him do his thing for now.

 

Ftr - you being an obvious villager wasn't the problem in that game. Clearing wolves for bad reasons was the issue. I would prefer you be open because I think we kick arse together as villagers but so long as you're helping me kill the bad guys in the end do it how you please.

 

Here he suggests Shad is wolfy but is not interested in lynching him at this point.  Second part of the post he later clarifies is directed at Shad wrt the Matrix game.

 

 

Clarifies his objection to Lenlo here...

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

Could go for Dice as well. I have no clue why people are town reading him. Parking his vote from like pg2 and later trying to justify a reason it.

 

I don't think "conviction" can be applied anymore as town meta for him. The way he explains Zander's behavior you would think he would be town reading him

 

... then votes Len and indicates he could also go for Dice.

 

 

Like Zander looks like Hallia_mafia to me this game. The depth is good compared to his superficial cases as a wolf, but apparently Dice thinks the opposite and I find that line of thought questionable.

 

Elaborates on the fact that he and Dice have opposite reads on Zander and he finds Dice's line of thought questionable.

 

 

 

Continues explaining his discomfort with Lenlo here...

 

 

 

Well as a wolf Zander manages to fool everyone into thinking he is right on his town meta, but so from past experiences he seems to be capable of both as both roles.

 

Not true. He was lynched D1 as scum in a BT game and his other two performances consisted of hard bussing one of his partners the whole way. To like an obnoxious point.

 

We're not lynching him today. I don't agree with his read on Yates, or vice versa, but I think he's town. I think both are actually.

 

 

Then hard defends Zander against Lenlo and states that he believes Yates/Zander are both town.

 

 

[Songstress]

AJ ISO PART 3, ALSO WITH TOO MANY QUOTES!

 

 

 

 

 

I feel stronger about Dice then Len atp. What is it about Yates you're seeing as Town that I'm not?

 

I see a very dusty bottom.

 

It's gut mostly. You guys look like villagers throwing punches at one another. I think one of the big reasons you're sussing him about not mentioning my peek was more incidental than intentional and he's also explained that he would trust that I know what I'm doing in the event I wasn't naming an actual peek and just providing cover.

 

 

Clarifies his Yates read is mostly gut, and the disagreement between Yates and Zander looks like town-on-town.

 

 

I am wondering why no one at all brought up AJ's post about BFG until after Yates' posts about seer cover/replies to Shad.

 

 

I think because the intent was clear.

 

Not to me, but hey ho :)

 

Well put it this way.

 

Either I'm the Seer and BFG was my peek or I'm l33t at providing cover with only two posts to work off of.

 

 

This exchange with Taborline about his fake peek on BFG could be significant if he was killed because mafia honestly thought he was the seer.

 

 

Seriously - why is Dice green on anyone's list?

 

Again questions why people are town reading Dice.

 

 

 

<<nested quote snippage>>

 

No I agree with Dice. So far he voted me for role fishing and ignoring a question that I had actually answered. How does that demonstrate "depth?"

 

He's had a few posts that I thought were pretty fleshed out and demonstrated actual thought compared to just hollering like a lunatic. Do I agree with everything he says? No, but that's not the point.

 

I think this thing between you two boils down to poor communication as I don't think anyone really has come away from it without seeing anything other than a cloud of dust.

 

As far as Dice goes, I was current when I made that statement. Looking at him in ISO is a little better because I can see his posts all together but before that the infrequency of his posts and the stuff he commented on felt like snipes more than anything.

 

 

Defends Zander to Yates, then notes that Dice looks slightly better to him in ISO.

 

 

<<< Snipping some of his game related posts that are just pushing on Lenlo and calling him an obvious wolf, because LOL THAT MATTERS NOW >>>

 

 

Sounds yummy :)

 

And sure.

 

Around that time Clov started engaging more and adding commentary that I thought was pretty good.

 

 

Associated?

 

I wouldn't say much. Clov got more villagery and I think Lenlo's approach was bad. He hasn't really progressed from his "best option" stance which I thought was bad in the first place.

 

Responds to BFG questions about his positive read change on Clov and whether the Lenlo read is associated with the Clov read.

 

 

On page 15, like I said. I can't drag up quotes but I responded to some of his posts that I thought were good in my mini-WOT around pg 16 or 17.

 

I don't know if I would count Lenlo's progression in the alt game as that serious. He admitted himself a lot of his push on fake Sili was playing to his character.

 

Responds to further probing from BFG on his reads wrt Clov and Len.

 

 

 

I disagree that my "Best Option" stance is bad btw. Even Clov, who I was voting, said he thought it was null at worst.

 

In a vacuum maybe, but in this context I think it was bad.

 

If say you were deciding on who to vote for over two players, much like BFG is doing now, that's one thing.

 

But you gave two other options that were literally never going to be plausible so your vote more or less landed on Clov by default.

 

 

Continues explaining his objection to Lenlo's vote on Clov.

 

 

@Clov - so who do you think is a good lynch then?

 

Asks Clov for his lynch suggestion, to which Clov responds by voting Lenlo, with Yates as a second option.

 

 

I'm home now.

 

Len, for as much as that post wants to tug on my heart strings I don't think I'm gonna bite. I just really have a hard time believing your approach to this game is from a good mindset.

 

Like, you voted Zander just to see how Yates would react? After Yates CLEARLY stated several times he'd be gone and made a point to say it was his last post of the day when he voted Zander.

 

Are you even paying attention or just making things up as you go?

 

Refuses to be swayed from his vote on Lenlo...

 

 

[Yates]

I don't honestly expect Zander to pay attention to shc stuff because, well, Zander, and I have no reason to believe the thought would have crossed Besie's mind in her first game. Is there anything about it that would make this oversight more likely to come from scum!Zander?

Why do people just assume Zander is some monkey pawing away at a keyboard? Yes, I accused him of acting dumb but Zander is no dummy. He knows perfectly well what SHC means BECAUSE HE WAS SHC IN THE WALKING DEAD.

http://www.mafiauniverse.net/threads/710-The-Walking-Dead?p=121893&viewfull=1#post121893

http://www.mafiauniverse.net/threads/710-The-Walking-Dead?p=121915&viewfull=1#post121915

[Songstress]

THE FINAL PART... and conclusions.

 

 

 

 

AJ, can you explain your Thane read a bit?

 

Shad put it best by saying Thane is Thane-ing ITT. He's relaxed, offering opinions freely and not working from any angle that I can see.

 

 

 

 

I don't feel he really is, though.  I just ran an ISO to see what all opinions he's given, and I'm actually surprised to see he's made as many posts as he has.  That probably makes me feel slightly better about him, but I think Town!Thane is kind of an...out there player.  It could be that half the game has been somewhat inactive, but I'm just not getting the strong sense of him being town yet.

 

That's fine.

 

I think Thane has an outstanding ability to be obvious villager almost purely by his lack of... I don't wanna say effort, but agenda, I suppose. I haven't looked at him in ISO yet and I think a lot of his posts were in the earlier parts of the game before things tightened down but I don't remember off the top of my head any posts of his that I disliked.

 

 

Clarifies his town read on Thane here...

 

 

 

AJ - in your estimation, is post 679 a fair assessment?

 

Like I said earlier - I think it's a failure to communicate from one or both ends.

 

I understood where you were coming from when you questioned the peeks, after explaining, and I was pretty satisfied to leave it there. I think the entire thing just sort of devolved into finger pointing once the first stone was tossed.

 

Remember Darthe's Illuminati game (the first round) where you were Masons with TG and I was so convinced he was scum? Yeah, same impression I get here from the both of you.

 

I just hope I'm right.

 

 

Confirms his impression that Yates/Zander was town-on-town...

 

 

 

I defended Scum Lenlo to my detriment last game. So I'm not doing that again. He's not pinging me but I can't really defend him with any confidence.

 

Do you think he's a villager though?

 

Does TWTBAW apply here?

 

 

Alright so after all that I feel most comfortable going after Clov to see what happens, Notbob to get him in here or a no lynch. Lynching inactives doesnt give us alot to go off regardless of their flip. No lynch basically gives the scum a free day and on D1 atleast theres a decent chance their kill doesnt tell us to much about the game cause there isnt alot to go on. Id like it if someone more experienced with No Lynchs weighed in on this.

 

Cause of this, [v]Clov[/v] cause hes the best of some crappy options today.

 

There was more but DM lost it, so bleh.

 

This is actually a huge reason for my original push, Yates.

 

The terrible sheep vote later compounded it.

 

Appears to be trying to sway Yates from voting Bender to voting Lenlo here.

 

 

 

BUT NOT BEFORE MY VOTE SO PINT NO VAILD

 

Dude, seriously - does it actually matter?

 

He clarified when he realized you wanted clarity.

 

 

Plays referee between Yates and DrunkZander...

 

 

 

Then what do you like about AJs progression when he said something along the lines of 'reminding him of the magnificent Fishsticks' which essentially boils down to a tongue in cheek version of 'Clov is being Clov'

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96176-diablo-the-mafia-game/?view=findpost&p=3574789

 

Wow, you're really going out on a limb for that one.

 

The comment was sort of tongue in cheek to say that I'm liking him more than I was previously, and I said 'FishDyx' instead of some other name because it amuses me and I knew that was his handle on VS.

 

 

 

Perhaps I'm missing something then.

 

Does "Clov being Clov" mean anything?

 

 

Like in the context of past games, or whatever.

 

 

FTR - I didn't mean anything bad when I said you're going out on a limb.

 

I already know you're town, but what looked to me like some extreme paranoia is sort of amusing but in an endearing way.

 

I'm good this game, don't pull a Belicheck on me. I feel ~comfortable with Clov at this point but there's always room for reevaluation if need be.

 

I've already got this on lock, but to provide cover for myself...

 

Remember it's more important in this set up to confirm villagers than peek wolves.

 

If you find a wolf, you're unable to reveal because you will die the next Night. 1/1 isn't a good exchange here, so think of the long game. Confirm villagers and with enough misses by the scum team we can mechanically lock the game.

 

Final suggestion regarding seer views - he couches this as cover for himself, but this should have told the mafia he was extremely unlikely to be the seer if he felt the need to post this at EOD.

 

 

 

 

So his content for D1 leaves me with this:

 

1) It looks pretty obvious on re-read that AJ wasn't the seer, but was trying to leave it questionable.  I don't think he did a good enough job to fool an experienced mafia team - I could see a team with Taborline or Besie, along with maybe someone inactive who couldn't give a better option as choosing to kill him as their most likely seer.

 

2) If the mafia team specifically chose not to try to seer hunt, either they felt him a bigger threat than a more likely option for seer or he was town reading one or more of them.

• For the first option, his primary targets were Lenlo (whoops) and Dice - I reallllllly doubt this is why he was killed, I don't see this as being a Mafia!Dice move and I don't see Dice as likely mafia here.
• For the second, he was solidly town reading BFG (as his fake peek), followed by Clov, Yates, Bender and Thane.

BFG being mafia of course would be your FPS... but it has potential -- if the mafia intentionally chose not to kill their best guess for seer.  It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me personally, and I'm not sure who would actually advocate for that kind of play.  

 

Looking at Bender tomorrow when my eyelids aren't drooping.  Hopefully Pral will turn up, Tab and NotBob will weigh in some more.  

 

Yay, weekends and time to get enough sleep and think after coffee.

[Songstress]

That is the last time I try to do an ISO quoting everything relevant instead of linking to the post URL.  Pain in the tuckus.

[Clovdyx]

Okay...I'll do your stupid quarterback thing.  Let's see.

 

 

Yates: Uh...Drew Brees, crossed with Cam Newton.  You're definitely very methodical at times, and you're certainly skilled, but sometimes you make mistakes and I'm just left scratching my head.  Brees is a future HoF quarterback (this is because he went to a great college), but sometimes he just tries to do too much and it bites him in the ass.  The Newton thing comes from your ability to be effective as both town and mafia, and your unpredictable nature.  Lots of people rely on the "would I do this as scum?" defense, and it makes me roll my eyes.  If you ever do that, I'm lighting you on fire on the spot.

 

Zander:  I don't even know.  Matt Stafford, on a good day?  Bad day Jay Cutler?  He can get the job done, but I don't know that anybody is going to call it masterful like a TFB#12GOAT4SUPERBOWLMVP'S (spoiler: that's me) or Aaron Rodgers.  Bulk numbers don't usually look horrible, but if you throw it a thousand times, you're going to put up yards.  Similarly, if you just harp on people endlessly, you're eventually going to get it right?  People can probably find some knocks, but you could do a lot worse?

[Yates]

I don't completely follow this. Humor that I might be dense and explain.

Do you remember him apologizing to me at the end of the day for basically misinterpreting/misrepresenting/misunderstanding me on pretty much the main crux of his argument on me? Ask him why he thinks I'm scum. Go ahead. I'll wait. He won't answer me so maybe if enough people ask he'll post a case that hasn't been disproven and that he hasn't admitted is wrong....????

[Clovdyx]

Okay...I'll do your stupid quarterback thing.  Let's see.

 

 

Yates: Uh...Drew Brees, crossed with Cam Newton.  You're definitely very methodical at times, and you're certainly skilled, but sometimes you make mistakes and I'm just left scratching my head.  Brees is a future HoF quarterback (this is because he went to a great college), but sometimes he just tries to do too much and it bites him in the ass.  The Newton thing comes from your ability to be effective as both town and mafia, and your unpredictable nature.  Lots of people rely on the "would I do this as scum?" defense, and it makes me roll my eyes.  If you ever do that, I'm lighting you on fire on the spot.

 

Zander:  I don't even know.  Matt Stafford, on a good day?  Bad day Jay Cutler?  He can get the job done, but I don't know that anybody is going to call it masterful like a TFB#12GOAT4SUPERBOWLMVP'S (spoiler: that's me) or Aaron Rodgers.  Bulk numbers don't usually look horrible, but if you throw it a thousand times, you're going to put up yards.  Similarly, if you just harp on people endlessly, you're eventually going to get it right?  People can probably find some knocks, but you could do a lot worse?

 

I almost just went with Russel Wilson here, but even with his improvising, he's still a bit cleaner (at least prior to this year) than I would feel comfortable metaphoring your playing as?

[Yates]

Okay...I'll do your stupid quarterback thing.  Let's see.

If you are building a team; do you do it around a young Drew Brees or a young Matthew Stafford?

[Clovdyx]

...Maybe I should have went Zander's ceiling being Eli Manning.  Sometimes he looks lost and confused, like he belongs more in day care than a football field.  Other times, Catch 42 on Tyree's helmet, dropping a rainbow to Mario Manningham, 2x Super Bowl MVP and how the hell does this guy have more rings than big brother?

[Shad_]

 

I don't honestly expect Zander to pay attention to shc stuff because, well, Zander, and I have no reason to believe the thought would have crossed Besie's mind in her first game. Is there anything about it that would make this oversight more likely to come from scum!Zander?

Why do people just assume Zander is some monkey pawing away at a keyboard? Yes, I accused him of acting dumb but Zander is no dummy. He knows perfectly well what SHC means BECAUSE HE WAS SHC IN THE WALKING DEAD.

http://www.mafiauniverse.net/threads/710-The-Walking-Dead?p=121893&viewfull=1#post121893

http://www.mafiauniverse.net/threads/710-The-Walking-Dead?p=121915&viewfull=1#post121915

 

There was never any question of whether Zander knew what SHC was. The question is whether he would stop to think about it before being reminded. But when I questioned him he acted as though he had thought about it but didn't believe it--to the extent of putting quite a few people above BFG with little to go on.  That aspect of it I do find suspicious. Did you read the rest of my post?

[Yates]

 

@ BFG

 

 

(also sorry Besie. I'm trying to catch my tablets autocorrect of your name, but I'm missing a fair few )

 

No problem.

 

How much talking are you doing with Besie?

 

He's CLEARLY not talking to me enough. I've starting irritating him with everything now. I don't like that he just discards my thoughts, irrespective of how new I am.

 

 

Yates, give me your spin on this post.

 

"Gosh guys. I'm just a noobie noob and so Zander never listens to me really but I like totally knew Lenlo was Town and just fell really REALLY bad that I wasn't here to talk some sense into my silly DRUNK partner when he voted Lenlo against my best wishes. Whoopsie! Town being Town, right? LAWWWWWLL!!!"

 

To her credit, she is doing her part to try to sell it.

[Shad_]

Okay...I'll do your stupid quarterback thing.  Let's see.

 

 

Yates: Uh...Drew Brees, crossed with Cam Newton.  You're definitely very methodical at times, and you're certainly skilled, but sometimes you make mistakes and I'm just left scratching my head.  Brees is a future HoF quarterback (this is because he went to a great college), but sometimes he just tries to do too much and it bites him in the ass.  The Newton thing comes from your ability to be effective as both town and mafia, and your unpredictable nature.  Lots of people rely on the "would I do this as scum?" defense, and it makes me roll my eyes.  If you ever do that, I'm lighting you on fire on the spot.

 

Zander:  I don't even know.  Matt Stafford, on a good day?  Bad day Jay Cutler?  He can get the job done, but I don't know that anybody is going to call it masterful like a TFB#12GOAT4SUPERBOWLMVP'S (spoiler: that's me) or Aaron Rodgers.  Bulk numbers don't usually look horrible, but if you throw it a thousand times, you're going to put up yards.  Similarly, if you just harp on people endlessly, you're eventually going to get it right?  People can probably find some knocks, but you could do a lot worse?

 

TBF Yates dropped the "would I do this as scum" line in Matrix like a dozen times.

[Clovdyx]

 

Okay...I'll do your stupid quarterback thing.  Let's see.

If you are building a team; do you do it around a young Drew Brees or a young Matthew Stafford?

 

 

Stafford had much higher expectations coming into the league than Brees did.  Stafford performed against much tougher competition in college and (usually) looked better doing it.  Brees was arguably a bust for most of his time with San Diego, and there are definitely some people that attribute his success in NO to Sean Payton's system.  Being a Purdue kid, I can't in good faith take anything away from Breesus so sure, I'll take him over the Dwags.

 

But moving away from football and back into the context of the game, if you're trying to win me over by telling me to disregard my own read because you're a good player, don't waste your time.  I know you're a good player, and I have a lot of respect for you.  But I think you've been around me well enough to know I'm narcissistic enough to believe I'm pretty damn good myself.  The fact I know you're wrong about me isn't going to do you any favors in making me think your reads are mind-blowingly good.

 

If you think I'm wrong about their slot, I will have a serious conversation with you about them.  But I'm not going to follow you because you jump up and down like you're on a damn pogo stick.

[Yates]

The fact you're bringing it up, Yates, makes me wonder just how desperate you are to get this lynch through.

Cool. I'm a jerk. Now go look at who introduced Zander's being drunk as part of game play on Day 2 first. I'll just sit here and twiddle my thumbs until you come to the realization that it was his hydra head, Bessie. So don't sit there lecturing me about what a bad person I am when she made it fair game by including it as AN EXCUSE as a part of the game.

 

That said? I've already dropped it.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

Is low volume indicative of much from Tress?

 

One of the biggest things that struck me yesterday was that she only made two game-related posts all phase.

 

it means nothing. She gets busy at times.  I have seen her say im busy with work and exhausted enuff to not blink anymore. Its not alignment indicative. Its just tress

 

sometimes she will get a bit of time where she gets active then she gets swallowed again. id say expect a period where she suddenly posts a bunch in a short space but then dont be surprised if she drops off a bit again

 

 

wrong about Lenlo.... AJ NK'd.... i'm getting a déjà vu from the matrix game all over.... 

 

*raises glass in honor of AJ* 

 

Now... re-read, reassess (<- i hate that word, somehow). 

 

And, hi all

 

dont go there cause i am NOT scum this time

 

 

 

Is low volume indicative of much from Tress?

 

One of the biggest things that struck me yesterday was that she only made two game-related posts all phase.

I'm not sure anyone here has played with Tress as mafia. Maybe Pral or BFG? I've seen her as serial killer once and I think she was maybe quieter than normal early on? But I don't remember.

 

As town, she's still not an overly active player. Less active than me, I'd say, but I certainly expect more than she's given so far.

 

But to be honest, I care more about what she's saying than how much. She has this weird problem where she says her thoughts without a filter, and she is kind of easily influenced by her emotions at times - makes it incredibly to tell she's town. I haven't seen anything like that.

 

 

pretty sure I have. ive at least played enuff with her to know that if i mod a game I only rand tress vig if i want to be the one she shoots.

 

 

Then would you say what I said about her overall play is correct?  

 

 

yes tho not detailed enuff

 

 

@Clov - Top 3 Town and Top 3 Scum?

@Zander - Top 3 Town and Top 3 Scum?

Tabor - Top 3 Town and Top 3 Scum?

 

Dice - Top 3 Town and Top 3 Scum?

NB - Top 3 Town and Top 3 Scum?

BFG - Top 3 Town and Top 3 Scum?

 

 

Clov   peek

Tress peek

yates

 

 

Bender

Shad

no idea

 

 

and i note Bender was a leading train but they didnt get piled on near end game  Lenlo came from behind iirc