Diablo the mafia game!

Shad_ · December 3, 2015

Dang...

Andrej · December 3, 2015

I've been keeping up for the last hour or so, but I was on mobile at my (soon to be) in-laws so I didn't bother to reply

I'm back now, got some stuff in the queue.

BFG · December 3, 2015

Weird game so far :unsure:

BFG · December 3, 2015

Also morning :)

Shad_ · December 3, 2015

Morning BFG, sup AJ

My eyes are glossing over. Really wanted to hear some thoughts on Lenlo before I go to bed...

Andrej · December 3, 2015

I'm getting there.

Trying to reply to different stuff in a MQ currently in my other tab.

Andrej · December 3, 2015

Weird game so far

You're weird :wub:

Andrej · December 3, 2015

I don't understand what you're curious about. You either had a reason, or you were saying something to say it (basically trying to move the same into serious discussion). Considering I hadn't done a damn thing in terms of actual content - and couldn't reasonably have been expected to - any reason would stem from "tone" or effort, and you trying to say I'm different from how you've been me before is reasonable enough.

If you were just saying it to draw up activity or see how people reacted, it doesn't mean anything for your alignment.

Call it a blend of both. Like cheap scotch, or something.

I genuinely wasn't thrilled with your game entry and figured you (and the rest of the game) could use a little kickstart considering the DL is fast approaching and we hadn't really progressed anywhere meaningful. I think it served it's job pretty well.

Your posts on pg15 I like a lot and remind me of the gloriously chinned brute that is Fishdyx, hence the unvote.

FTR - I have no idea what's going on with you two either.

We're just two sheep dogs circling each other, nbd.

Alright so after all that I feel most comfortable going after Clov to see what happens, Notbob to get him in here or a no lynch. Lynching inactives doesnt give us alot to go off regardless of their flip. No lynch basically gives the scum a free day and on D1 atleast theres a decent chance their kill doesnt tell us to much about the game cause there isnt alot to go on. Id like it if someone more experienced with No Lynchs weighed in on this.

Cause of this, [v]Clov[/v] cause hes the best of some crappy options today.

There was more but DM lost it, so bleh.

I'm not a fan of your approach here. You list three options, immediately dismiss two of them... and just settle on voting Clov? I mean, do you think he's actually scummy or what? You talked a lot about his reaction and how he could've done differently, most of which was incorrect, but I don't recall you at any point actually saying that you thought he was being scummy.

Also, I know you've been playing for a long time. Longer than I have I'm pretty sure, so I find it hard to believe you don't understand the pros/cons of No Lynching.

@ Len

Agreeing somewhat with you on Dice. Like the post about "AJ would you rather he..." especially after:

Like I don't understand what kind of answers he is looking for. The vote does feel like a joke to me and as far as piling on it was pretty early on D1 so I'm pretty meh about it.

I'm not exactly thrilled with Dice so far either.

Beyond that, why do you find it odd somebody is reacting to actual gameplay? AJ's move was pretty much the first thing that mattered in the game. My job is, first, to figure out what his motivation is, so I can figure out if he's mafia or just misguided town. Second, to show MY thought process so everybody else can form reads about me.

icwutudidthar

FWIW- You're not posting at all like the 1 game we played together as scum, like so far it seems like you are actually working to a game solve and that makes me wanna give you a slight town lean atp.

I'll also be looking for anyone who has Town!Len Meta to weigh in on you.

This is a decent example of Lenlo's potential as a villager.

He was pretty good in Ragnarok too.

Beyond what I said about your hydra and Dice earlier, not really. I have a very minor - and stupid - reason to be suspicious of AJ that I'm just not going to address today (if my suspicions are wrong, it's going to screw us over; if I'm right, I'm not getting him lynched over it anyways).

Mixed feelings about Lenlo. I think you're right that he's working towards solving, and that's obviously a good thing, but I feel almost every point he's making is refuted by just examining the thread and using basic logic that I have a hard time considering it genuine.

I'd really love to know about the underlined stuff. Maybe save it for post game?

Agree on the italics. Like idk if he's legit trying to sort out the situation or just finding something to attack with the DL looming.

Pretty much completely even. Both of the posts from Shad and Blesie were quite obvious in their purpose, so I saw absolutely no reason for him to question them, and I didn't think Zander's point about him ignoring AJ's peek was bad. I think Yates could see them as being either unconvincing/possibly inaccurate though, so I'm not ruling out the possibility he was trying to be "helpful".

If deadline was in five minutes, I would lynch him just to save Bender, but numbers alone would make me expect him to flip town.

Pretty sure that was exactly what he was doing since he shortly after linked the Seer Cover 4 N00bs blog. He didn't mention my peek because obviously it's legit, and he also later explained that those two were most current.

FTR - the "helpful" thing is alignment neutral imo

Ugh, tired. I was 'bout to go through and start sifting through the actual game content and toss a few reads out there, but 1) computer wants to reboot and 2) so does my brain. I think I may actually get to bed before 11 PM for once, which is highly unusual. Maybe it's psychosomatic, my doctor's office just called and told me I am very low on Vitamin D.

So, early to bed, early to rise, and some quick ISOs and commentary after coffee. That's the plan.

I know just the thing

More seriously though, looking forward to what you've got to say.

Lenlo should be the center of discussion right now.

I agree, though I haven't decided which side of the fence I'm gonna fall on yet.

What's your opinion?

BFG · December 3, 2015

Morning BFG, sup AJ

My eyes are glossing over. Really wanted to hear some thoughts on Lenlo before I go to bed...

Ok, I'll jump

Mixed, there was a huge tone change between his early posts and the post I quoted which he explained as RL. Obv RL happens to everyone but it does imply that he's not being guarded about what he posts. On the other hand, content wise isn't so great. At one stage he contradicts himself, he quotes Zander's post questioning Yates as a negative thing 'why are you questioning the question' sort of thing, but later says he liked it as it showed he was paying attention. He also voted Clov for early game stuff, enjoyed talking to him but hasn't apparently evolved his read. Some odd phrasing 'he doesn't hate' AJs vote on Clov as someone has to kickstart the game and afaic his vote is based on the outcome of this vote. I'm not sure I think Lenlo believes much of what he's saying at this point and that's an issue. His concern about Yates is one I can agree with, although I'm less worried about the fluff content and more about how much of his actual game content is about stating the obvious.

At the moment I'm uneasy, but if you're seeing twtbaw then there's something fairly obvious/big I missed, right now I'd have to ISO his recent games :unsure:

BFG · December 3, 2015

Weird game so far

You're weird

:sad: :mellow: :wub:

BFG · December 3, 2015

Actually while on Lenlo,

Tress, is the WW2 mafia/survivor-symp discussion normal for you guys?

Andrej · December 3, 2015

Ok - bedtime for me too.

See everyone in the AM

Shad_ · December 3, 2015

Lenlo should be the center of discussion right now.

I agree, though I haven't decided which side of the fence I'm gonna fall on yet.

What's your opinion?

Straight up, I think I was too open with my opinions last game and mafia got a lot of millage off of it. I was obvtown as hell but it accomplished nothing in the long run. I want to get back to keeping my mouth shut when I see productive consequences for doing so, and I see that here. If that gives town less to read me by in the short term, it's not a big issue.

(Ask me later.)

BFG · December 3, 2015

Ugh, tablet just died. I'll try and retype my thoughts soon, but it's more likely to be during lunch as I have a fair bit to do before work.

Shad_ · December 3, 2015

Morning BFG, sup AJ

My eyes are glossing over. Really wanted to hear some thoughts on Lenlo before I go to bed...

Ok, I'll jump

Mixed, there was a huge tone change between his early posts and the post I quoted which he explained as RL. Obv RL happens to everyone but it does imply that he's not being guarded about what he posts. On the other hand, content wise isn't so great. At one stage he contradicts himself, he quotes Zander's post questioning Yates as a negative thing 'why are you questioning the question' sort of thing, but later says he liked it as it showed he was paying attention. He also voted Clov for early game stuff, enjoyed talking to him but hasn't apparently evolved his read. Some odd phrasing 'he doesn't hate' AJs vote on Clov as someone has to kickstart the game and afaic his vote is based on the outcome of this vote. I'm not sure I think Lenlo believes much of what he's saying at this point and that's an issue. His concern about Yates is one I can agree with, although I'm less worried about the fluff content and more about how much of his actual game content is about stating the obvious.

At the moment I'm uneasy, but if you're seeing twtbaw then there's something fairly obvious/big I missed, right now I'd have to ISO his recent games

In your experience, is Lenlo the type of player to lie about his thoughts for reactions?

Shad_ · December 3, 2015

Going to bed.

BFG · December 3, 2015

Morning BFG, sup AJ

My eyes are glossing over. Really wanted to hear some thoughts on Lenlo before I go to bed...

Ok, I'll jump

Mixed, there was a huge tone change between his early posts and the post I quoted which he explained as RL. Obv RL happens to everyone but it does imply that he's not being guarded about what he posts. On the other hand, content wise isn't so great. At one stage he contradicts himself, he quotes Zander's post questioning Yates as a negative thing 'why are you questioning the question' sort of thing, but later says he liked it as it showed he was paying attention. He also voted Clov for early game stuff, enjoyed talking to him but hasn't apparently evolved his read. Some odd phrasing 'he doesn't hate' AJs vote on Clov as someone has to kickstart the game and afaic his vote is based on the outcome of this vote. I'm not sure I think Lenlo believes much of what he's saying at this point and that's an issue. His concern about Yates is one I can agree with, although I'm less worried about the fluff content and more about how much of his actual game content is about stating the obvious.

At the moment I'm uneasy, but if you're seeing twtbaw then there's something fairly obvious/big I missed, right now I'd have to ISO his recent games

In your experience, is Lenlo the type of player to lie about his thoughts for reactions?

Meh, in general, probably not, but in the alt game as Zander he pushed fake Sili further than he believed due to play acting, but the original suspicion was genuine and correct. some of the stuff he's said here reminds me of that 'kick stuff see what happens' sort of thing. But he also seemed peeved in that game that people were suspicious of him for pushing it that far, so I'd be a little surprised if that's the approach he's taking here.

BFG · December 3, 2015

ok but then why did you choose to not comment on this when I'm pretty sure BFG hadn't posted any real game comment atp.....
Because those two were both later in the game and I was trying to make a point? I'm not keeping track of peeks. I just want them to be good. That's all I'm saying.

Then why didn't you make it after AJs 'peek'?

December 3, 2015

Ugh, tired. I was 'bout to go through and start sifting through the actual game content and toss a few reads out there, but 1) computer wants to reboot and 2) so does my brain. I think I may actually get to bed before 11 PM for once, which is highly unusual. Maybe it's psychosomatic, my doctor's office just called and told me I am very low on Vitamin D.

So, early to bed, early to rise, and some quick ISOs and commentary after coffee. That's the plan.

Lie in the sun or sit in the sun and read book or something. It'll help.

Morning peeps.

I bought myself a book that I have dubbed as the mafia thought book (making notes!). I'm a bit amazed at some of the deductions you guys get, but I'll share the little thoughts I have in a bit. (I'm always on mobile, unless I'm at work. Going to work soon and I'll use the pc to quote)

dicetosser1 · December 3, 2015

spammit! i had 5 quotes and lost them!

will try to remember.

Zander vote started cause of our Mafia game Len and i was threatening him and besie on skype. His post where he talks about me asking aj what he would prefer....the tones striking me as wrong. My vote stays at this point. He has done nothing that screams town zander at me and has done some stuff thats more indepth then i associate with him. yet it doesnt feel like he is really game solving.

my concern with my thinking is that its very similar to stuff HE said about Lenlo last time.

dicetosser1 · December 3, 2015

went lookin for quotes cause im tired and my memory wasnt helping

I just had no idea what they meant by Seer cover.

I did like that you brought up the AJ BFG thing, cause it showed you were lookin back and tryin to draw connections rather than just lookin for a hole to pounce through. The thing about your slot is I have had 1 game with you where I knew who you were, and we were scum buddies together. And we spent the entire game at each others throat. So reading you is gonna be hard.

FWIW- You're not posting at all like the 1 game we played together as scum, like so far it seems like you are actually working to a game solve and that makes me wanna give you a slight town lean atp.

I'll also be looking for anyone who has Town!Len Meta to weigh in on you.

Im thinking Len is Town. Hes working for a solve. thats about AS GOOD AS U GET CAUSE HE THREW MOST OF HIS OLD META OUT. (%$%#$$%%$ caps lock)

Silence.

Fine.

Let me give you a for instance.

Dice is Town. I think Dice is Town because Town Dice is like:

[didn't want to steal Cory's shrub gif]

You made me laff out loud at work while on a call lol

dicetosser1 · December 3, 2015

As for WHY i asked AJ that?? cause i was in a smart a$$ mood and because his reaction might tell me something.

first part is also why i said what i did to besie

dicetosser1 · December 3, 2015

oh and @MODS!!

can we get countdown timers plz??

dicetosser1 · December 3, 2015

and i wont be lynching Clov this game

December 3, 2015

So firstly, my thoughts on Dice & Yates:

spammit! i had 5 quotes and lost them!

will try to remember.

Zander vote started cause of our Mafia game Len and i was threatening him and besie on skype. His post where he talks about me asking aj what he would prefer....the tones striking me as wrong. My vote stays at this point. He has done nothing that screams town zander at me and has done some stuff thats more indepth then i associate with him. yet it doesnt feel like he is really game solving.

my concern with my thinking is that its very similar to stuff HE said about Lenlo last time.

Try to remember that he's also attempting to teach me.

Then, in the beginning of the day you were in the thought of mind that Yates is scum. vvv

Plus, he's the towniest town to ever town so he's prefect for teaching me how to catch these evil wolves...

headdesk! corrupted already!

If I had known this game had randed I wouldn't have replaced 20 pages in to an MU game... Sheesh...

Game is over. I replaced in and the entire scum team instantly conceded. Surprised that hasn't happened here already, actually...

that could mean ure scum.....

are you?

And now you no longer say any word of it? Is it because of this? vvvv

that could mean ure scum.....

are you?
Not today...

Or is because he actually backed you up? vvvvv

Silence.

Fine.

Let me give you a for instance.

Dice is Town. I think Dice is Town because Town Dice is like:

[didn't want to steal Cory's shrub gif]

Cause if so, it seems highly suspicious to me.

For this reason, I accept my other half's vote.

On Lenlo & AJ:

I've only followed one other game, as I said. Matrix. And, as Len says himself in this quote vvvv

I just had no idea what they meant by Seer cover.

I did like that you brought up the AJ BFG thing, cause it showed you were lookin back and tryin to draw connections rather than just lookin for a hole to pounce through. The thing about your slot is I have had 1 game with you where I knew who you were, and we were scum buddies together. And we spent the entire game at each others throat. So reading you is gonna be hard.

he is very "at each others throat" when he is scum. That was definitely evident in the Matrix game. I understand that he brought it up. But he is clearly going "at another's throat" here vvvvv as a response to Clov.

Thats all you have to say to that? Go back and reread? Tell me how I am wrong. Defend your position. Cause atm your just saying "Nuh-uh, your wrong."

I do not know whether this is a repetition of the past, but I thought it was worthwhile to throw it out there.

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