[Standard] The Matrix Reloaded - Game Over

[dicetosser1]

nolder is that PST as in LA? or pacific?

[Hallia]

That would be as in LA

[Thane Vakarian]

a few posts and comments in spoiler

 

 

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1323: Hallia's post? big NOPE. 

Rack unvotes Zan... feels off. Can't get Zan lynched so ... unvotes in regards to ??? 

1341: Zan questions Len, good remarm on Zan side. Having read on, not satisfied with Len's answer

Pral/Cory interaction.... get the feel v/v here.. argueing doesn't help. 

 

1360: Nomi still feels off. Other suspects after full catch up would be Rack, Hallia, Sooh, Tabor

 

1373: too easy list of suspects? Frozen had 3/3 to start with (let's forget rest of game). it's possible.

1395: overreacting vote? Agree with Yates' post 1405 regarding this.

Tabor seems to be active, but imo agrees more with other people than anything else. Not clear (yet?)

Page 75: Can't say i hate dice's posting from this page on. Not thinking he's wolf here. 

 

 

 

 

In general... dudes... gifs are nice and all, but distracting when catching up. One could miss an important post due to that, when trying to skip the gifs too fast.

 

As stated in the spoilered part, that's where i think we can find the wolves (or most of them) in this game. I'll be happy to have some flips to work with though, it generally helps to clear some stuff.

 

People have been giving Nomi some more slack... alright. I doubt he'll be lynched today (though i wouldn't be opposed to it)

 

unvote

 

[v] Rackcity [/v]

 

this being a hammer game, and him being on a lot of suspect lists, it'd help the game to see this slot resolved.

[Hallia]

I agree with you there, Thane.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Rack

[Nolder]

  On 10/30/2015 at 5:43 AM, dicetosser1 said:

nolder is that PST as in LA? or pacific?

You know what? I'm sorry. I saw you ask for a countdown timer and I completely forgot man. I meant to put one in but it just slipped my mind.

I'll make sure to do it for Day 2 and onward.

 

And yes PST as in Los Angeles. I believe deadline is in....16 hours from right now when I post this.

[Thane Vakarian]

Hallia, i hope you broke your wolf streak. I'm still not totally convinced of you being town right now. Especially post 1323 was a big nope to me... 

[Thane Vakarian]

I'll be in for the next couple of hours if anybody wants to chat. 

[Shad_]

Ok so for real now I'm at something like this.  Not proofreading because I'm tired:
 
Thane
Zander
Sili
Corlanna
Yates
Dice

Clov
Hallia
Sooh
Lenlo
Taborline
BFG
Parlaya
Rack

 

Thane is playing maybe the best town game I've seen out of him.  Does he town better as scum than as town?  Uh, no.  I don't expect Zander to be an easy catch but he has done absolutely nothing to ping me in 250+ posts and it definitely didn't go down that way when I encountered him as scum even though I did read him as strong town for a while.  I've never been anything but v/v with Sili but he and I (sort of like me and AJ) seem to click and start treating each other differently when we reach a point in a game where we both fully trust each other.  Our wink and nod and I'll not spoil your experiments if you don't spoil mine thing is happening here and I don't think it could unless he's town.
 
Cory didn't start out so hot with me, and I didn't want to admit I was sussing him until I had more to work with, but lately he's trended up substantially.  There are still a handful of things that have me wondering--he had Dice pretty high and Pral pretty low before I saw enough content to get there myself--but the facts that I did reach roughly the same position as him eventually and that the TMI possibility is not remotely bothersome on a gut level makes me want to believe he's just better at reading those two than I am.  The content of his quick response regarding hydra QT to Clov really pushed me to full 'I'll trust you until i have cause not to' mode and bumped him slightly above Yates for me.  But should I be concerned about his approach to Nomi?  Laine is hard to read when she's playing catch-up and I'm generally null but unconcerned on her half.
 
I feel like I've mindmelded with Yates a lot this game.  A part of me wonders if there are too many people he's keeping on the low end of the spectrum but by and large they're the same people I've been concerned about.  He's been protective of Lenlo and that's maybe odd? but I haven't dug back to check out his initial reasons.  Like Cory he's too strong for me to lock in but I trust him.
 
I feel like I have a pretty strong reason to call Dice town and it's striking an odd balance with the fact that he was my secret top scum read for half of this phase.  I'm going to err on the side of one strong town tell negates a lot of scummy play because that's how I approach Dice in general.  To be fair he's been cleared by circumstances in every single game I've ever played with him as v/v and AoL is the only one where I read him solid town beforehand.

 

Clov would be higher if it weren't for a few brief statements that didn't ring honest to me, most notably his interpretation of Sili's Zander vote.  But overall I've seen a lot of pro-town prodding and I feel like he's been proactively trying to solve a lot more than most of you.  I can't hate that.

 

Hallia sounds more thoughtful to me in subtle ways that I can't describe.  There's an element of 'surely she didn't rand scum 4 of her last 6 games' that I will never be able to shake even though it's garbage, but blocking that out as much as possible I think she's town here.

 

bit of a gap

 

Sooh has been feisty in a way that I don't find indicative, but if she's town it's stalling her game from showing.  She was an easy read in Frozen and got mislynched for an idiotic reason (my bad ).  I didn't make her my top town read as scum in Pulp Fiction for raisins.  There was a moment at the very beginning where I felt like she was kicking off another town game and I'm going to continue to give her that.  I tried to give her a bit of a confidence boost earlier and it didn't really help, but eh Sooh I know you can be an awesome townie so if you're with me let me know it!

 

Lenlo's been tunneled on Zander being tunneled on Lenlo, and I haven't given him a good ISO, but maybe because I'm semi-fluent in Zanderese and I have almost no experience with Lenlo it just feel like the distraction between those two is mostly on Len's end.  I don't know if he's not making other reads or if I'm just forgetting them because it seems to always come back to the same thing.  I need to put more work into him before I pass judgment.

 

Tab is another player I don't know and she's said a lot of things that felt like commentary without much sincere analysis.  I was especially concerned early because I saw high potential for Dice/Tab w/w, and I still don't like how she approached Dice's criticism of Clov.  But she made some posts today that seemed more thoughtful and Dice is off my radar so I'm going to give her a pass and see how she progresses.  On that note [unvote]

 

BFG uh...  you there?  *poke*

 

Pral felt really townie in Belichick and a wee bit scummy when he subbed back into Frozen, and he flipped town both times.  His content is traditionally so low that I don't feel like I have much meta to go on despite having played with him twice before.  I don't know what to make of his fight with Cory because I don't really have a grasp on how he thinks, but I want to look at his cases on Zander and Sooh again before deadline.  I could say what he did differently in Belichick that made him an easy read, but I would really like for him to come up with it himself.

 

If Rack flips scum I'm claiming like 80% of the credit for it and Clov can have the rest.  If he flips town, I'll be really, really disappointed in him.  He made a factually flawed argument and I tried to dig at it in a way that should only stress him out if he's actually scum.  His defeatist conclusion definitely makes me think he felt the heat.

 

I left Nomi out of this list intentionally.

[Shad_]

Competing trains clearly not happening so [v]Rack[/v] let's do this.

[Shad_]

Aaaaaaaaaand sleep.

[Thane Vakarian]

night Shad

[Lenlo]

Your wrong there Shad. Multiple times ive tried to talk with Zander about things other than his baseless push on me, but he always brings it back to us. Always. Sometimes he shifts the thread back to us when no one even mentions me. Its horrible.

 

As for other reads, ive had plenty. I dunno why you dont remember them. Id love it if you ISOed me/we hashed this out sometime so we can lay it to rest.

 

I also have yet to see an argument saying Zander is town that isnt 99% meta dependent. So yeah.

[Lenlo]

So Thane, hows it going? Wanna chat some before I crash?

[Lenlo]

I feel I havnt gotten to talk with you much cause timezones and id really like to figure out just why I feel bad about you and if that can be resolved.

[Thane Vakarian]

I'm in, and ofcourse i'd like to chat :)

 

I agree that timezones aren't helping much

[Nolder]

Votecount

Rack - Yates, Lenlo, Corlanna, Taborline, Thane, Hallia, Shad (7)

Nomi - Clov, Dice (2)

Pral - Sooh (1)

Zander - Pral  (1)

Lenlo - Zander (1)

 

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline: Friday 30th 3PM PST.

 

[Lenlo]

So hows it going. Who do you think are scum/town? How do you feel about say... Z and Pral specifically.

[Thane Vakarian]

I can't really tell you outright "Dude, i'm town, just go with it for now". Being listed as town is earned, not given, imo

 

If you still think i'm off, then something about my gameplay, or things i said, are bugging you. Is there anything specific you'd like me to adress? 

[Lenlo]

I wish there was, but the thing about gut reads is its hard to pinpoint anything. Its why I havnt tried hard to case/push you. I didnt wanna do anything until I had actual evidence to use. Cause without evidence its just a baseless claim that, really, has no right to be correct.

[Thane Vakarian]

Z and Pral. alright, there's something. 

 

I get the strong feeling Z is town here. With some flips, it'll be easier to put him in a box. Gif posting and joking is totally Zander, in any game. If there's not many wolf lynches and he's still in the game, then we can put some heat on him. Not for now. I have other people bugging me more.

Pral does hi best to convince players, especially Cory lately, that he's town. The entire interaction reads like V/V to me, and with lack of outside involvement, i think that would confirm it. Wolves would be more than happy to sit back and let two townies go at eachother.

[Lenlo]

Ok. I still dont really understand why hes LOCK TOWN for so many people is the thing. Like fine, dont think what hes doing is scummy, maybe thing its even alittle towny. But I dont understand how he is 100% CLEAR on D1, with no cop views, no flips, no nothing. Just gif posting. Its getting to the point where its frustrating and I get unreasonably angry at the whole thing cause from my POV theres just no sense to it. Its force of personality.

[Thane Vakarian]

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:36 AM, Lenlo said:

I wish there was, but the thing about gut reads is its hard to pinpoint anything. Its why I havnt tried hard to case/push you. I didnt wanna do anything until I had actual evidence to use. Cause without evidence its just a baseless claim that, really, has no right to be correct.

not to be taken too seriously, but perhaps it's the lack of me doing something absolutely scumworthy that has you on edge? Because that's what usually happened... 

 

I've been working (and still am) on my towngame so i avoid to be mislynched.

[Lenlo]

Im still working on my new town game to. Its my second game since coming back from hiatus :D

 

Thanks for the Pral stuff. Ive been wondering how to read him, cause my only experience has been Ragnorak where Cory lynched him D1 and he flipped cop.

[Thane Vakarian]

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:40 AM, Lenlo said:

Ok. I still dont really understand why hes LOCK TOWN for so many people is the thing. Like fine, dont think what hes doing is scummy, maybe thing its even alittle towny. But I dont understand how he is 100% CLEAR on D1, with no cop views, no flips, no nothing. Just gif posting. Its getting to the point where its frustrating and I get unreasonably angry at the whole thing cause from my POV theres just no sense to it. Its force of personality.

i'd give him more town tendancy than lock town. Nobody can be lock town D1, unless modconfirmed, imo

 

 

 

in regards to your town game: you do seem quite much town to me, and diffirent from how i remember your play. Keep it up, and let's get a town victory, yes?

[Lenlo]

The way people speak about him though is just... like im scum for even entertaining the idea that hes not town. That seems to be peoples only problem with me, is I dont agree with them on how to read Zander. Its frustrating man.

 

So if Rack flips scum who would you look at next?