Age of Legends [standard] Mafia - Game Over

[Nynaeve]

You know what bugs me about what you said just now, Kiv? Kinda like what Nolder did when he proclaimed him tying. Your need to point out the seer cover you provided yesterday as some proof that you're town. It's not. And if anything, I would have preferred for someone else to point out what you were doing as +EV.... when you do it, it just looks eh.

[Zander?]

ugggg....why do i feel like THERE has to be scum between Nyn and Kiv......

[Zander?]

ugggg....why do i feel like THERE has to be scum between Nyn and Kiv......

 

Shad!!!  Talk me through this please!!!!

[Kivam]

You know what bugs me about what you said just now, Kiv? Kinda like what Nolder did when he proclaimed him tying. Your need to point out the seer cover you provided yesterday as some proof that you're town. It's not. And if anything, I would have preferred for someone else to point out what you were doing as +EV.... when you do it, it just looks eh.

I hear that.  But it's true regardless.

 

Anyway, no need to tinfoil now.  Nolder/Laine, then worry.  Don't abandon the POE.

[Kivam]

ugggg....why do i feel like THERE has to be scum between Nyn and Kiv......

 

Because we're vocal and Nolder/Laine are not, so we'll say things that leave a bad impression.

 

I promise you this, we're either v/v or w/v... no chance of w/w

[Nynaeve]

ugggg....why do i feel like THERE has to be scum between Nyn and Kiv......

 

Zander, I'm not scum. If you don't think my game speaks for itself, then take Clov's assessment into consideration. You might not agree, but Cory/Clov/Verbal are the three players that read me best and have yet to miss a step in that area. 

 

I don't know if Kivam is scum or not. But I am positive that it's within Kivam/Laine/Nolder. That's what Clov left behind and that's what I'm going to follow. The order is not important... but seeing Kivam going about on how Laine and Nolder have to go first.... and how he's all townie cause he provided Clov seer cover... is making me feel really bad. Trying to wonder if the whole Crusher push is a set up.

[Nynaeve]

 

You know what bugs me about what you said just now, Kiv? Kinda like what Nolder did when he proclaimed him tying. Your need to point out the seer cover you provided yesterday as some proof that you're town. It's not. And if anything, I would have preferred for someone else to point out what you were doing as +EV.... when you do it, it just looks eh.

I hear that.  But it's true regardless.

 

Anyway, no need to tinfoil now.  Nolder/Laine, then worry.  Don't abandon the POE.

 

 

I'm not abandoning my POE. My POE you you/Laine/Nolder. 

[BFG]

Official VC 4.3

 

Nolder (2): Thane, Kivam

 

Laine (1): Shad

 

Kivam (1): Nyn

 

Not voting (3): Laine, Nolder, Zander

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

 

 

I might go Laine/Kivam/Nolder tbh just because Kiv is the most dangerous of the three to have alive as scum F3.  Don't think of it as me sussing you.  More like a compliment to your scum game.

 

I actually agree with this. You know what? I'm gonna toll with Clov's suggestion and this rationale.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Kivam[/v]

 

 

[Zander?]

 

ugggg....why do i feel like THERE has to be scum between Nyn and Kiv......

 

Because we're vocal and Nolder/Laine are not, so we'll say things that leave a bad impression.

 

I promise you this, we're either v/v or w/v... no chance of w/w

 

 

[v] Kiv [/v]

[Zander?]

Can someone do the like setup math for me....like how many mistakes/mislynches do we have?

[Shad_]

 

ugggg....why do i feel like THERE has to be scum between Nyn and Kiv......

 

Shad!!!  Talk me through this please!!!!

 

 

They're both good players and it feels too easy right now.  But this sort of tinfoiling is what destroys towns late in a game.  We have an optimal plan.  We stick to the plan and if Nyn has played well enough to get where she's at right now as scum she's earned the win.  Want to ISO her again, have at it, but it will take a mountain of evidence that we've somehow all missed up to this point.

[Kivam]

BTW, I'll just say this: Shad, Thane, and Zander, get your votes together and I'll vote with you no matter where it is (even on me, if you guys feel it will help town more to resolve my slot).  You guys are confirmed town (well, 2 confirmed, 1 all-but), and nobody is getting lynched today anyway without all three of your votes.  I'll trust to the wisdom of crowds to bring this home.

 

In fact:

 

[unvote]

 

[v]kiv[/v]

 

Anyone other than those three votes for me, you can quicklynch them tomorrow because they are scum.

 

Nyn, go ahead and unvote.  If the three known townies want me dead, they've got me dead at their discretion.  But leave the decision up to them.

[Kivam]

Can someone do the like setup math for me....like how many mistakes/mislynches do we have?

2.

 

7 players = 6-1

Mislynch + kill = 4-1

Mislynch plus kill = 2-1 (LYLO)

[Kivam]

 

 

ugggg....why do i feel like THERE has to be scum between Nyn and Kiv......

 

Because we're vocal and Nolder/Laine are not, so we'll say things that leave a bad impression.

 

I promise you this, we're either v/v or w/v... no chance of w/w

 

 

[v] Kiv [/v]

 

Please tell me you got the joke

[Nynaeve]

I hear that.  But it's true regardless.

 

No, it's not true. Clov made a very believable claim and the rest of the living players haven't exactly been providing much of a seer cover. You jumping in to get everyone to seer cover on D3 is no indication that you're town and you know that.

[BFG]

Deadline Vote

 

Thursday 7.30PM BST deadline (0)

 

Friday 7.30PM BST deadline - current (0)

 

Switch to hammer deadlines* (4): Zander, Kivam, Nyn, Shad

 

Not voting (3): Thane, Laine, Nolder

 

 

*please note that this is still a DEADLINE game with a deadline on Friday until Thane, Laine and Nolder have voted

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re clov's "Nolder and Crush aren't scumbros" - bad read, IMO.  Tying the trains for towncred is exactly the type of thing a player who plays on JN as often as Nolder does would do.  Most of those guys learned mafia from me, so that site is bus-heavier than normal.  Not saying that has to be the explanation for that vote, but it just doesn't clear him for me the way it does for Clov.

 

BTW, anyone who is wondering about my town status should just look at my actions from yesterday, especially after Clov claimed, and ask if they make any sense at all for scum other than as a WIFOM.  I did my absolute best to keep Clov under cover even after he hardclaimed (which, again, was a ridiculous move, Clov ... can't wait to hear you explain it postgame)

 

@BFG - any chance we can turn this from a deadline game to a hammer game?  With only one scum, and a clear POE, seems like there's going to be a lot of dead air

I'm willing to do the same as last time and take a vote:

 

I won't shorten the deadline without everyone expressing an opinion/checking in first.

 

 

 

[v] Hammer [/v]

 

 

Deadline Vote

 

Thursday 7.30PM BST deadline (0)

 

Friday 7.30PM BST deadline - current (0)

 

Switch to hammer deadlines (0)

 

Not voting (7): Kivam, Thane, Zander, Layne, Nolder, Shad, Nyn

Hammer

 

 

 

[v]Hammer[/v]

 

 

Hammer works for me.

 

 

[Nynaeve]

Can someone do the like setup math for me....like how many mistakes/mislynches do we have?

 

We have two mislynches before we're at F3

[Kivam]

Conference call with the court starting now.  Gone for a bit.  if I unvote before the three townies are elsewhere, you'll know I'm scum and can quicklynch me

[Nynaeve]

Anyone other than those three votes for me, you can quicklynch them tomorrow because they are scum.

 

Nyn, go ahead and unvote.  If the three known townies want me dead, they've got me dead at their discretion.  But leave the decision up to them.

 

So let me understand this..... I can't vote for who I think is scum.... because that makes me scum?   

[Nynaeve]

This whole rationale is so lopsided. 

[BFG]

Official VC 4.4

 

Nolder (1): Thane

 

Laine (1): Shad

 

Kivam (3): Nyn, Zander, Kivam

 

Not voting (2): Laine, Nolder

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ugggg....why do i feel like THERE has to be scum between Nyn and Kiv......

 

Because we're vocal and Nolder/Laine are not, so we'll say things that leave a bad impression.

 

I promise you this, we're either v/v or w/v... no chance of w/w

 

 

[v] Kiv [/v]

 

 

 

BTW, I'll just say this: Shad, Thane, and Zander, get your votes together and I'll vote with you no matter where it is (even on me, if you guys feel it will help town more to resolve my slot).  You guys are confirmed town (well, 2 confirmed, 1 all-but), and nobody is getting lynched today anyway without all three of your votes.  I'll trust to the wisdom of crowds to bring this home.

 

In fact:

 

[unvote]

 

[v]kiv[/v]

 

Anyone other than those three votes for me, you can quicklynch them tomorrow because they are scum.

 

Nyn, go ahead and unvote.  If the three known townies want me dead, they've got me dead at their discretion.  But leave the decision up to them.

 

[Kivam]

 

Anyone other than those three votes for me, you can quicklynch them tomorrow because they are scum.

 

Nyn, go ahead and unvote.  If the three known townies want me dead, they've got me dead at their discretion.  But leave the decision up to them.

 

So let me understand this..... I can't vote for who I think is scum.... because that makes me scum?   

 

Yes, pretty much. 

[Kivam]

Aaaand ... Court just answered so now I'm really gone

[Nynaeve]

 

 

Anyone other than those three votes for me, you can quicklynch them tomorrow because they are scum.

 

Nyn, go ahead and unvote.  If the three known townies want me dead, they've got me dead at their discretion.  But leave the decision up to them.

 

So let me understand this..... I can't vote for who I think is scum.... because that makes me scum?   

 

Yes, pretty much. 

 

 

Sorry, but that doesn't make any sort of sense. So, denied.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

ugggg....why do i feel like THERE has to be scum between Nyn and Kiv......

 

Because we're vocal and Nolder/Laine are not, so we'll say things that leave a bad impression.

 

I promise you this, we're either v/v or w/v... no chance of w/w

 

 

[v] Kiv [/v]

 

Please tell me you got the joke