Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Leelou]

Also, Tina, something to think about. Why did it take you this long to notice Verbal? He's like usually your focus. 

[Sili Quirrels]

I think Tina is town, but that she is tilted by leelou which is influencing her read to some extent.

 

I can follow her on her thought process though, and would like to ask lee some of my own questions.

 

Lee, why did you ask verbal what he thought of cory if you had already figured cory out? And cory is quite a complex character, so what made you certain he was town at that point in the game?

[Sili Quirrels]

Seriously though, mish and tress... why... what in god's name have they done?

[Eldrick4221]

No where did I say the spoiler was private above. If eldrick was serious about looking for loki as he was at the start of the game, he would have opened the spoiler and read, but instead he pretends to not have read it to avoid suspicion. Maybe he thought, 'if I don't open this then how can I be loki?' I would not be shocked.

 

Anyway, I don't want to risk a lynch for loki, unless he or she outs themselves, so nothing has changed in this regard, but please note that I seriously suspect eldrick is a third party.

 

Moving onward,

 

Tina, why in god's name are mish and tress above me?

 

You didn't specifically say it, but I interpreted it as such. I have read it now, and agree. Tis a good point.

 

FTR, I only read a couple spoilers the first time around.

 

..and now I'm curious about what you told me not to read. :P

[Leelou]

I think Tina is town, but that she is tilted by leelou which is influencing her read to some extent.

 

I can follow her on her thought process though, and would like to ask lee some of my own questions.

 

Lee, why did you ask verbal what he thought of cory if you had already figured cory out? And cory is quite a complex character, so what made you certain he was town at that point in the game?

 

I can't really explain how I read people. There are things that some people say in certain ways that I just know if they are town or scum. It's how I read Verbal. I know him so well that typically by a few posts in on D1 I can tell if he's town. If I don't get that feeling instantly, then I fret about it most of the game. I don't always make my feelings known because I do know occasionally there are other factors: ie RL/work/etc.. The way Cory was posting was definitely town!Cory. I don't know if anyone else could see it, but for me it locked him in as town. 

 

I asked Verbal just to see what he'd say. I was trying to get a read on him as well - still unknown with a tiny bit of a town lean for egging me on.

 

There are reasons why I do what I do, it just doesn't always make sense to everyone else. I also just do not have time right now to follow-up/explain things. A lot is going on at work and in my life that has me preoccupied. I do promise to be on tomorrow and try. 

[Leelou]

Mostly a copy of my old but moving Verbal down. 

 

Mish

 

Tress

 

Taborline

Sili 

 

Eldrick - I need to take a look at Eldrick. His behaviour today made him look town but I haven´t any memory about what he did yesterday.

Talya - I had a town read on Talya yesterday but need to look her up again because I don´t remember much about what she did in the later part of yesterday. 

Snow - Just like Talya. 

Lenlo - Because everyone seems to town read him. And I haven´t seen anything scummy. 

 

 

Sooh - I have really no memory of her posts what so ever. Update: Too neutral - D1 uncertaintly or trying to stay in the middle? 

 

 

Oci - The one I want to lynch the most. 

Leelou 

Wish/Celeste - I should take a look at their list once again.

Verbal

 

These all feel like safe reads. She's misclearing at least 2 people. 

[Eldrick4221]

 

I think Tina is town, but that she is tilted by leelou which is influencing her read to some extent.

 

I can follow her on her thought process though, and would like to ask lee some of my own questions.

 

Lee, why did you ask verbal what he thought of cory if you had already figured cory out? And cory is quite a complex character, so what made you certain he was town at that point in the game?

 

I can't really explain how I read people. There are things that some people say in certain ways that I just know if they are town or scum. It's how I read Verbal. I know him so well that typically by a few posts in on D1 I can tell if he's town. If I don't get that feeling instantly, then I fret about it most of the game. I don't always make my feelings known because I do know occasionally there are other factors: ie RL/work/etc.. The way Cory was posting was definitely town!Cory. I don't know if anyone else could see it, but for me it locked him in as town. 

 

I asked Verbal just to see what he'd say. I was trying to get a read on him as well - still unknown with a tiny bit of a town lean for egging me on.

 

There are reasons why I do what I do, it just doesn't always make sense to everyone else. I also just do not have time right now to follow-up/explain things. A lot is going on at work and in my life that has me preoccupied. I do promise to be on tomorrow and try. 

 

Blah. This makes sense too. Yay for meta reads. maybe you didn't know his alignment to begin with.

[Eldrick4221]

I hate when I read a couple pages before I realize I haven't taken notes on them...

 

Anyway, it's time for me to call it a night.

[Leelou]

Don't have an issue with your playstyle, Tina. We all have our own approach to the game, and reasons for said approach.

 

There have been games in the past that you were obviously town to me. This isn't one of them.

 

I do like what you noticed about Leelou, though. Put together like that, it sounds like she knew Cory's alignment...

 

It doesn't and she has things a bit backwards in her write up. 

[Leelou]

Tina - why I've been focusing on you is because of the way you are handling me. TBH if you have me as a scum read no way you don't actually go after me and not vote me. Ocicat is an easy vote as far as I can see. They've been playing awkwardly. Verbal and I would be way better people to be trying to lynch from your perspective if you thought we were scum. 

[michellem]

Out and about, will be more on later. But atm Im feeling Sooh and Verb as mafia; several people called town Sooh feisty, and I have not seen that here. I have not seen her do anything really. I saw he as town in the HP mafia and her game there and here is vastly different. Verb has had the whole week to contribute and he hasn't. He's only complained he's not a weekend player and that's it.

 

I think Wisheste is Loki. I'll find posts to show why when I get home tonight.

[Sooh]

Hi guys. I kinda disappeared. Sorry about that. 

 

Mish, I think the people who were calling me feisty were in fact surprised by it, as I'm usually not in games. 

 

I do play differently here. Exactly why I can't tell you, except I tend to have good games and bad games. It depends a lot on how much energy I have to put into it I guess. 

 

Anyway. I think so far I feel pretty good about Sili, Lenlo, Tress, Mish, Eldrick, Taboo and JS.

 

I need to reread and ISO Tina, Talya and Leelou, as they are impossible to read for me usually. 

 

I'm even less sure about WishLeste and Ocicat. However, they might be this low in my list because I don't know them very well. 

 

And Verb is definitely bottom of my list. 

 

Come Monday Verb really needs to get some work done if he's Town. Because just saying "I'm town because" isn't cutting it for me. 

 

 

Going to try to get some ISOs done today, but I need to finish a report first. 

[Talya]

 

As a whole, though, I haven't had a problem with Lenlo. I'm wary of him, and will gladly help if other people see what I'm seeing. But I think Verb is the better choice today. I'm just thoroughly unimpressed with his game so far. He's a good player, and should be solving the game by now.

 

[unvote]

[v]Verb [/v]

oh! so now everyone hops on the verb train after i've pursued other avenues. lol.

 

 

Still happy to go here. After 5 days of "catching up" still hasn't posted much. There are others I want to look at today, I need to change my reads list, as I'm not as comfortable with it anymore.

 

Oh.It might just me being paranoid, but when JS suggested Loki was a nexus, it made me wonder if JS was Loki. Nexus didn't even occur to me, and it fits, I mean REALLY fits, the theme.

 

I'm not sure he would mention it if he was Loki.

 

I need to look at quite a few people. I didn't like that Tress brought up about Cory's read, when hers was at the top. Cory is a damn fine player, but I would go with all his reads, but try and work things out for myself. Plus it was day one, and the chances of getting things right are lower than later in the game.

 

The Leelou/Tina interaction bugs me, so need to go over that to see if it was anything or just indigestion. 

 

I need to read Wish/Celeste again too...I liked some of Wishes posts, but Celeste still makes me uneasy. Her "ok" to Sili after he voted her for pressure, was so no committal. There was no come back as if she didn't know what to say.

 

Mish  - Happy Anniversary, hope you have a lovely day.

 

I always read spoilers...but then I'm really nosy

[Lenlo]

Oh. Lenlo. Critique to your playing style. When you posted Talya's ISO, I didn't know you also had comments in the spoilers until they were commented on later. I skipped the spoilers on my initial read, because I assumed they were just her posts, and I wasn't current yet.

 

In the future, please make this more clear. I am just now getting to these.

Oooo this would explain alot of your issue with me.

 

I spoiler my ISO/WoTs to keep them from cluttering the thread with massive posts. I figured that was known. Sorry.

[michellem]

It's gonna take quite some time to put together the evidencecase on Wisheste being Loki, and I'm really tired and really wanna play sims. But in short this is the conclusion;

 

It's a matter of too much information. Like how before on DM those who were mafia tended to use the word "scum" most (town said mafia, mafia said scum). This has evened out a whole lot now that we've gotten more players from several different sites. But I went through all mentions of Loki. Most are very natural; a lot of them refer to Eld's original comment about wincon, several mentions were made at the beginning of this day when both me and Eld shared that there's a redirector mechanic. And several mentions are people saying "scum/Loki" (as in I don't think that would come from scum/Loki). But Wisheste's mentions seems forced and weird. And then there's a discussion they had with Cory about 3rd party hunting wich also seem very strained from their side. It's no secret I've thought they're not town for quite some time. But I can't see any interactions with other players that I can see as potentional teammates either. Most of their gameplay is following other's opinions, extreme sheeping of Cory for example, except for attacking those attacking them. Like Wish' read list, where she says on at least 2 occasions that "Cory reads this person as town so I do too", with one exception; me. Cory ended up placing me in his dark greens, but that they completly disregard. It's very contradictory and not the only contradictory thing they've done.

 

I think this is our best lynch today. There is no scenario in my mind where they are town. They are either Loki, wich is the highest possibility for me and if so we need to get rid of them to hopefully make our NA's work correctly), or mafia.

 

[v]Wisheste[/v]

[Celeste]

It's gonna take quite some time to put together the evidencecase on Wisheste being Loki, and I'm really tired and really wanna play sims. But in short this is the conclusion;

 

It's a matter of too much information. Like how before on DM those who were mafia tended to use the word "scum" most (town said mafia, mafia said scum). This has evened out a whole lot now that we've gotten more players from several different sites. But I went through all mentions of Loki. Most are very natural; a lot of them refer to Eld's original comment about wincon, several mentions were made at the beginning of this day when both me and Eld shared that there's a redirector mechanic. And several mentions are people saying "scum/Loki" (as in I don't think that would come from scum/Loki). But Wisheste's mentions seems forced and weird. And then there's a discussion they had with Cory about 3rd party hunting wich also seem very strained from their side. It's no secret I've thought they're not town for quite some time. But I can't see any interactions with other players that I can see as potentional teammates either. Most of their gameplay is following other's opinions, extreme sheeping of Cory for example, except for attacking those attacking them. Like Wish' read list, where she says on at least 2 occasions that "Cory reads this person as town so I do too", with one exception; me. Cory ended up placing me in his dark greens, but that they completly disregard. It's very contradictory and not the only contradictory thing they've done.

 

I think this is our best lynch today. There is no scenario in my mind where they are town. They are either Loki, wich is the highest possibility for me and if so we need to get rid of them to hopefully make our NA's work correctly), or mafia.

 

[v]Wisheste[/v]

I think this is just a cultural clash to be honest. I use the term scum for both mafia and 3p as it is the norm for my site. What was particularly weird of my mentions?

[michellem]

Mish, I think the people who were calling me feisty were in fact surprised by it, as I'm usually not in games. 

 

I do play differently here. Exactly why I can't tell you, except I tend to have good games and bad games. It depends a lot on how much energy I have to put into it I guess.

 

Really? Cause I see this post from you on page 3...

 

Oh sweetheart, I'm feisty as either alignment

 

 

And also this on page 17:

 

 

*snip*

 

Sooh and Snow super feisty. Never played with Sooh, so idk what that means for her. Reads different than her in PYP though, where she was town, so wary. Much different level of involvement for JS from last game (TUS), so right now looks town.

I can be feisty sometimes

 

 ...............

 

I get good and bad games. But you haven't done anything here. You haven't come with any hard stances, your only vote this game has been on Pral close to deadline, you've said several times you were gonna ISO but the only one you did one on was Eld. You only started commenting on Pral after he got heat, and today you're talking Verb that's also gotten quite a bit of attention. You accused Pral of safe reads, but I can't say I say anything else from you either. If you're town, it's time to step up and show it.

[michellem]

 

It's gonna take quite some time to put together the evidencecase on Wisheste being Loki, and I'm really tired and really wanna play sims. But in short this is the conclusion;

 

It's a matter of too much information. Like how before on DM those who were mafia tended to use the word "scum" most (town said mafia, mafia said scum). This has evened out a whole lot now that we've gotten more players from several different sites. But I went through all mentions of Loki. Most are very natural; a lot of them refer to Eld's original comment about wincon, several mentions were made at the beginning of this day when both me and Eld shared that there's a redirector mechanic. And several mentions are people saying "scum/Loki" (as in I don't think that would come from scum/Loki). But Wisheste's mentions seems forced and weird. And then there's a discussion they had with Cory about 3rd party hunting wich also seem very strained from their side. It's no secret I've thought they're not town for quite some time. But I can't see any interactions with other players that I can see as potentional teammates either. Most of their gameplay is following other's opinions, extreme sheeping of Cory for example, except for attacking those attacking them. Like Wish' read list, where she says on at least 2 occasions that "Cory reads this person as town so I do too", with one exception; me. Cory ended up placing me in his dark greens, but that they completly disregard. It's very contradictory and not the only contradictory thing they've done.

 

I think this is our best lynch today. There is no scenario in my mind where they are town. They are either Loki, wich is the highest possibility for me and if so we need to get rid of them to hopefully make our NA's work correctly), or mafia.

 

[v]Wisheste[/v]

I think this is just a cultural clash to be honest. I use the term scum for both mafia and 3p as it is the norm for my site. What was particularly weird of my mentions?

 

 

I just... That doesn't even have anything to do with what I said.

 

And I'm really, really sick of you just ignoring the things in my post that you can't defend against and just act as if it doesn't exist.

 

 

I just can't. I'm gonna go play sims.

[Talya]

Doing a reread..and as I go will also ISO a few people that come to my attention.

 

I will put it all in an spoiler so read or not

 

 

 

 

Votes me and then has her convo with Sili (already talked about) - Null

2 times she says she is fiesty - I mention this, because I haven't seen much fiest here

When JS votes her Asks him if there is anything he wants to discuss - mention this below why not ask straight out

Says she isn't reading stuff on early D1 interations

Asks me about the "staged" thing

Would like to hear from Lenlo why he ISO'd me - After me and Mish had asked him

Asks Cory why he is town reading her - responds to his answer that she is trying to work where the read comes from and that she is trying to find wolves

Asks Tab how Leelou's maker her look questionable

Tries to see how Cory's head works, but not trying to badger him.

Not sure she can read Leelou very well.

Thinks Cory maybe Defensive or frustrated. says to Eld that Cory may be trying to gauge her back - Not feeling that she thinks town nor mafia here

 

This is her response to Cory

 

If you are a villager and want to make my job harder, IDC, that is how you used your time this game and I have to deal with that and work around you and try to figure it out anyway

 

If you think I'm a wolf I expect more fire from you than "Cory's reading my villager and I don't know why!" and I think that's a pretty idiotic line to take as a wolf but I've seen you do it before (and fool me, but fail at fooling anyone else in the process and losing to my team without a great deal of difficulty from our end) but that's just my opinion, man

You know probably more than anyone how hesitant I am as a villager to accuse anyone of being a wolf D1. I am never confident in my reads this early on. I nudged you to get a better read of your slot, and I got several things to think about. And yes, you're right. If I do think you are a wolf later on I will have to make a much stronger case against you. Both because this isn't a case, and because you're a much better wolf than to let yourself be caught by one little nudge like this. 

 

 

I put this here because I ISO'd out last game where she was villager, and in the first day she was making reads of people and asking questions a lot more than she has been here. In fact apart from the few direct questions, usually about her, she hasn't asked much. Even to JS when he voted her asked if there was anything he wanted to discuss. Why not ask straight out, "Why are you voting me" The town things to Cory doesn't really look like she is trying to find wolves or game solve.

 

Then we have a reads list. At this point she had said that she was trying to work Cory out and from the posts I got the impression she was fence sitting, but here she has Cory in her Town list. This list really lacks evidence or any kind of thought process. After reading her last game, she defnded people she thought town early on and why they were town. There has been none of that here. The bolded it odd. She can't read, me Leelou and Tina and yet she says she is going through the rest not on her list to see if she can find some suspects. The wording feels like she is not looking for wolves, but for people she could call wolves.

 

 

Let's see. So far I feel pretty good about:

Dice

Keyboose

John Snow

Sili

Lenlo

 

I always struggle to read:

Tina

Leelou

Talya

 

The rest are varying shades of gray for me at this point. I need to go through that pile and see if I can find some suspects.

 

Points out that Eld is different this game -

Responds to me about my post on her and Sili

Does an Eld ISO and asks him what makes him think Ocicat is Loki and curious what Lenlo thinks of her Eld ISO? - A part from the quetion to Ocicat, I didn't get anything from this, I'm not sure she does, null in it's self, that can happen

 

I might, closer to DL. 

 

Pral isn't a high volume poster, but usually at least he posts SOMETHING. 

 

^^ First moment she mentions Pral

 

Wow... that was a long read. I've been reading a page here and there at work today, but still I had to read the final 5 pages just now.

 

After Pral's re-entry to the thread I feel as though the votes on him are probably warranted. I was not a fan of the reads list at all. 

 

[v]Pralaya[/v]

 

^^ Votes Pral

 

Apparently I'm good at posting many posts, but not very memorable this game  Ah well. It could be worse I suppose. 

 

I am feeling very comfortable with Cory/Key this game, and if I'm mistaken, well then that's well played them. 

 

I feel Pral's list was very generic. He had some consensus reads, some simple reads and a couple of reads to which I was left confused. I'm happy with leaving my vote there for now. It is moveable of course, and seeing as EOD is at 6pm my time I should have plenty of time to stop by the thread tomorrow in between work (in the classroom when the kids are working and such ) and also after work. I will be around at EOD. 

 

I probably won't have much time for neither analysis nor real time interaction before then though. I will have more time towards the weekend for both. 

 

Adds more to her reasoning of what she thinks of Pral. I will need to read this in situ, because I have a feeling this is after others have already said it.

 

She does say she is open to a Verb lynch, but doesn't vote there.

Aslks Cory to look at Pral's blue for Tress. cory gives his reasons for why he didn't like Pral's list and she responds that this matches what she is thinking - If that is the case why didn't she say

Agrees she likes to pocket Cory, but as mafia she doesn't think that she would have been quite so ready to challenge Cory about his read. - I don't think she actually challenged him, not seriously, the fact she says she wouldn't do this as mafia doesn't sit well

 

 

 

Apparently I'm good at posting many posts, but not very memorable this game  Ah well. It could be worse I suppose. 
 
I am feeling very comfortable with Cory/Key this game, and if I'm mistaken, well then that's well played them. 
 
I feel Pral's list was very generic. He had some consensus reads, some simple reads and a couple of reads to which I was left confused. I'm happy with leaving my vote there for now. It is moveable of course, and seeing as EOD is at 6pm my time I should have plenty of time to stop by the thread tomorrow in between work (in the classroom when the kids are working and such ) and also after work. I will be around at EOD. 
 
I probably won't have much time for neither analysis nor real time interaction before then though. I will have more time towards the weekend for both.

Out of all the votes on me, this is the one which sounds off. The reasoning is a bit forced, as if just intended to put heat.

Consensus reads? Really? Maybe you should pay more attention to it.
Simple reads? Yes, for those who I don't know meta or not much content.
Confused reads? WHy don't you ask about it?

Low effort and not genuine.

 

I have paid attention.

You have a number of safe reads with people who have been town read by the majority of the game. These are your consensus reads.

 

Simple reads, why even add them? I've been sussed for less in the past.

 

Confused reads, I suppose that's a bad way of explaining it. They were the reads that made me confused when I read them.

 

You're right. This was low effort. It was an attempt to explain why I wasn't a fan of that post and why I wanted to vote Pral. Not genuine however, that is wrong. If I have time before EOD I'll go back and post more around this, but currently I'm supposed to learn to use like 5 new computer programs at once, so I can't really focus on the game.

 

 

^^ She admits it was low effort to him. I find it odd that she critises his reads list, when hers is extremely lacking with not reason

 

Hi guys. I kinda disappeared. Sorry about that. 

 

Mish, I think the people who were calling me feisty were in fact surprised by it, as I'm usually not in games. 

 

I do play differently here. Exactly why I can't tell you, except I tend to have good games and bad games. It depends a lot on how much energy I have to put into it I guess. 

 

Anyway. I think so far I feel pretty good about Sili, Lenlo, Tress, Mish, Eldrick, Taboo and JS.

 

I need to reread and ISO Tina, Talya and Leelou, as they are impossible to read for me usually. 

 

I'm even less sure about WishLeste and Ocicat. However, they might be this low in my list because I don't know them very well. 

 

And Verb is definitely bottom of my list. 

 

Come Monday Verb really needs to get some work done if he's Town. Because just saying "I'm town because" isn't cutting it for me. 

 

 

Going to try to get some ISOs done today, but I need to finish a report first. 

 

Her reads list from earlier. There are 5 days difference in the two lists and yet in her posts I can see no thought progression on why she has those reads. Sili, Lenlo and JS have not moved but no reasons why they are town.

Still me, Tina and Leelou are in Limbo - fair enough

Not thought on why Wisleste or Ocicat. She has Verb as read and yet hasn't voted and says he has work to do Monday.

 

 

 

 

TL:DR

 

There is no thought progression from Sooh on most of her reads. She has done a little questioning, but they haven't been deep questions and not much probing into anything. Has really only questioned people when it has concerned her, or asked other people (Len) what they think of her ISO.

 

I had felt her responses to me quite towny at the beginning. I thought her vote on Pral was opportunistic, no thought behind it and later added the bit about his reads list, after others did.

 

Sooh has now moved down my list. But I have a few questions for her.

 

@ Sooh

 

What is it that makes you suspicious of Wish/Celeste and Ocicat?

Why is Verb at the bottom of your list?

What makes you think Sili, JS, Mish, Tress, Tab and Lenlo town?

What do you think of Eld? (he's missing from your list I think)

Why did you ask Cory to look at Pral having Tress as blue? Why did you think this was suspicious?

 

Back to my reread

 

 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Specifically i wanted to see what hed do if i looked to be more suspicious of celeste. I wanted to know if he would let me tunnel her or if he would defemd her.

Don't think he did either? What do you think now?

 

o.O

 

 

 

Should I lynch Celeste instead of you? I mean you are playing into her meta of you too cleanly. So either you are a wolf who aims to be fit snug into the excuses you're given, or she is a wolf and knows your alignment.

 

Can't say. I've noted that she jumped to my defense, but why can't she be town trying to defend town by pointing out what they know of them? You talk about analysis, but I get the feeling you're starting from the assumption that certain actions have scummy reasons. Perhaps we've both simply made mistakes?

 

 

 

And? She shouldn't be bringing my alignment into the discussion, as she shouldn't know it yet.

 

Are you saying these don't qualify as defending someone?

[Sili Quirrels]

[unvote]

[v]Sooh[/v]

[Songstress]

Ok, going to stop being lazy for a little bit and go back to the beginning of D2.  There were a few things I made a mental note that I wanted to respond to.

[Songstress]

 

So.  Very.  Sleepy.

 

 

Here's where I'm at as of 9-ish hours before deadline...

 

Dice: Despite Cory's note about him being aware of his meta and most likely trying to change it, until he has successfully pulled it off well enough to fool me I am going to trust that I can still read him, and I think he's town.

CorKey: Being pretty much universally town read, for good reason.  There are a couple of things that have stuck in my head as potential concerns, but I want to see where things go after D1/N1 before I get into potential tinfoily things.

Tab: Has put forth very good effort D1 and I'm impressed. :)

Lenlo: Has also put forth very good effort and I like what I see.

Sili: I might be getting a better handle on how to read him, although I wouldn't count on it.  Feeling positive about his contributions.

 

Tina: When she's been available to post I've liked what she's had to say.

Sooh: Slight town read, has seemed like she's making an effort to figure things out.

 

Mish: Null to slight town read, mostly based on tone.

Snow: I have a hard time resolving Snow's alignment until I know more, or sometimes when he's under pressure. He's getting town read by most others so he's not really a concern for me at the moment.  Null to slight town for now.

 

Wishleste: Really not sure what to make of them yet. The lack of agreement between them doesn't help.  Straight null.

 

Ocicat: Has been bouncing around a bit, seeming to follow others' lead with low effort - looking forward to seeing what he comes up with when he finishes ISOing.

Talya: Tried to read her ISO... there were a few posts that struck me as odd, but trying to put into words why I can't quite make sense of my own thoughts, so I'll leave her on the bottom side of null for now.

 

 

Pral

Eldrick

Leelou

Verb

 

There's some weird interplay in my head with these 4, and I don't know if I can explain it all to my own satisfaction right now - just little bits with interactions and reads that makes me concerned.  I do not believe all 4 of them are even remotely mafia together - I'm thinking possibly 2 mafia in this group, although which ones I am bouncing around on.  

 

I'm not 100% sold on Pral being mafia, to be honest, and some of those that have voted him don't appear to understand how he plays.  I think I'd rather vote Verbal, but I could be flat out wrong, and I don't want to be an obstacle.  

 

For now I will [v]Verb[/v], and set my alarm an hour before deadline. If needed to achieve a lynch I am willing to switch to Pral, but it's not my first choice.

 

There is something in this post that makes me feel uneasy, but I am unable to put my finger on what. Tress has been a complete null for me so far, this places her on null-uncomfortable. I expect more involvement from town Tress. I'll see how that develops on D2.

 

I'm curious if you were ever able to identify what you were uncomfortable with in that post. When I was looking back at my last read list to make my chart, I kind of shook my head at myself a little, and wanted to see if the source of your unease was the same thing I berated myself for.  I was very tired at the point that I finished the post, but if I had it to do again I'd probably have done things a bit differently.

[michellem]

Yes I have. Im used to you being more analytical and have heavier reasons behind your reads. It seems very shallow.

 

What do you think of my Wisheste-theory?

 

Question goes for everyone else too. Talk to me, people. I can hear Cory screaming at me from the deadthread to solve this thing and his voice gets very high pitched and annoying at times. So plz everyone talk so I can't hear him anymore k?

 

(No sims for me. Spent four hours tracking down a file that messed with my game)

[michellem]

Yes I have. Im used to you being more analytical and have heavier reasons behind your reads. It seems very shallow.

 

 

 

That being said, your later posts and the time it would've taken to make the table has since made me feel better about you.