Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Lenlo]

Ooooh. Us who are still alive. That makes sense.

[Andrej]

Yes. Please do.

 

Why are the scum lunches going through with no real counter trains? Not complaining, though. If you guys wanna hand us the game, I'm cool with that.

Unfortunately they probably won't. Keeping Loki alive serves as something to distract town from hunting them, especially since we've gone 2/2 in the last two Days.

 

As far the lack of counter wagons, I think it's a combo of a 3P assisting, strong town players, and wilves (be that inactivity or just the inability to mislead) bussing or missing out on votes.

[Andrej]

I meant the live players, Len.

 

Obviously not the ghosts

 

I mean if you guys wanna spam with the ghosts be my guest but I'd prefer more game talk.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Yes. Please do.

 

Why are the scum lunches going through with no real counter trains? Not complaining, though. If you guys wanna hand us the game, I'm cool with that.

Unfortunately they probably won't. Keeping Loki alive serves as something to distract town from hunting them, especially since we've gone 2/2 in the last two Days.

 

As far the lack of counter wagons, I think it's a combo of a 3P assisting, strong town players, and wilves (be that inactivity or just the inability to mislead) bussing or missing out on votes.

That's just the thing though. None of us know who loki is. They could go after a townie, and have it end up being Loki. I'm just hoping that happens.

[Eldrick4221]

So I submitted to Kivam that I'm not using my action tonight. Hopefully he doesn't make us wait the whole deadline.

[Talya]

I put a name in last night, but I think I'm VT, I think JS is right.

[Talya]

Mish

Leelou

 

AJ

Tress

Lenlo (could be Loki more than wolf)

JS

 

Eld

Tab

BFG

Tina

 

I think that would be my list right now.

 

Eld has crept down due to the feeling there isn't that much solve in his posts. His vote yesterday didn't look good for him as well

Tab - I do need to read her ISO I can't remember anything that shouts town, and the voting stuff yesterday looked bad for her.

BFG - I understand about catching up. But that excuse on goes so far. She has been here for nearly a week and I don't see much in the way of progress at all, which is disappointing. She has been her enough to this week to get a good impression. Her non voting for two days looks bad, especially as they were both wolves.

Tina - I have explained that already and that hasn't changed.

 

The rest

AJ - seems to be pushing the game more, his push on Verb looks good. He has improved the slot from Ocicat was in it, he could have Loki equity though

Lenlo - this residual from d1 so want to read up on him, could be Loki though

Tress - she does seem to be putting effort in here, (not that means she can't be wolf - they can put just as much effort in as town) need to go over but nothing that stands as wolf atm.

JS - slight town here, d1 he is better, reading his ISO makes me think town, that business with Wisheleste still niggles me. Another that could be Loki.

 

Mish - my strongest read for town, I don't think she would be wolf here. (Hope your headache gets better soon *hugs*)

Leelou - said before why I think she is town.

[Eldrick4221]

 

I have literally no idea how to hunt 3P besides hoping they are somehow generically wolfy in the same way wolves are

 

Just going to sort of hope we luck into killing him at some point or the wolves do it for us

I would think that the 3P would lurk. It looks like Mafia and town would be best served to get rid of him, which still (imo) is more advantageous for Mafia, because it takes the attention off of them.

 

 

I can't explain how ridiculously wrong you are. 

 

I'm curious what your outlook is on how a 3P would play.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Dear whomever targeted Tayla last night:

I have reason to believe she is VT. 

Good luck and happy hunting. 

 

If this message is directed to you, do yourself and town a favor and don't tell everyone who you are. 

 

Note: Read scum as anti-town. IE. Loki or mafia for the purposes of this post. 

 

One of Tayla/Tress is 90% scum. ATM I'm prepared to believe Tayla is the townie of the group, but I can guarantee we've got scum there. 

70% certain Verbal and Tabor are scum. 

50% chance AJ/BFG/Tina make up the remaining scum. I'm inclined to say it's not Tina. 

20% Leelou is scum.

 

 

Reasoning on Tayla/Tress. Both claim to have results from last night. I also had results. However, D1 only gave 2 results (Eld/Mish). There's about a 8% chance that Sili got the result and died with it. 

IMO scum's not going to get the townie results, because balance reasons. IMO scum's not going to have info-returning roles either (doesn't make sense to me). 

 

Conclusion: Tayla/Tress/me is lying ~92% of the time. I know I'm town and not lying. Therefore Tayla/Tress is scum. 

 

I have reason to believe Tayla is Vanilla. I don't think mafia would holster an action N1, as Tayla claimed to. I don't think mafia would lie about using actions with the high percentage of at least one watcher/tracker (heimdall). 

 

Happy to be on Verbal/Tabor as well.

 

[uvnote] [v]Tress[/v]

 

I know this has been addressed already, but I'm not satisfied with the answer. 

If I'm reading the first one correctly, you said what you did because you received a result of a NA that was an investigative view of some sort that marked Talya as VT

If that's the case, why didn't you leave her off your scum list altogether? Why not just list Tress in that line?

 

I have been going through your ISO (I figured I should get around to doing that)

Up until this point, I was actually feeling pretty good about you. I like your interactions with Wishleste. I didn't see anything wrong with what you said. But now this. Now I'm not so sure anymore. I don't get why you would claim that Talya was VT, and then still keep her on your scum list.

[Eldrick4221]

Mish

Leelou

 

AJ

Tress

Lenlo (could be Loki more than wolf)

JS

 

Eld

Tab

BFG

Tina

 

I think that would be my list right now.

 

Eld has crept down due to the feeling there isn't that much solve in his posts. His vote yesterday didn't look good for him as well

Tab - I do need to read her ISO I can't remember anything that shouts town, and the voting stuff yesterday looked bad for her.

BFG - I understand about catching up. But that excuse on goes so far. She has been here for nearly a week and I don't see much in the way of progress at all, which is disappointing. She has been her enough to this week to get a good impression. Her non voting for two days looks bad, especially as they were both wolves.

Tina - I have explained that already and that hasn't changed.

 

The rest

AJ - seems to be pushing the game more, his push on Verb looks good. He has improved the slot from Ocicat was in it, he could have Loki equity though

Lenlo - this residual from d1 so want to read up on him, could be Loki though

Tress - she does seem to be putting effort in here, (not that means she can't be wolf - they can put just as much effort in as town) need to go over but nothing that stands as wolf atm.

JS - slight town here, d1 he is better, reading his ISO makes me think town, that business with Wisheleste still niggles me. Another that could be Loki.

 

Mish - my strongest read for town, I don't think she would be wolf here. (Hope your headache gets better soon *hugs*)

Leelou - said before why I think she is town.

I can see why you think that about me. I'm getting kinda bummed that I'm not finding anything useful, and it's affecting my play. I'm not giving up though!

 

P.S. Yay for another Lenlo might be Loki supporter. If enough of us are seeing it, we are probably right.

[Eldrick4221]

I agree 100% on your points on Tab and BFG. I'm having the same issues with them. I did read most of Tab's ISO a couple days ago, and didn't see anything that sold me on her being town, which is why I was voting her yesterday.

[Eldrick4221]

So I had a phone interview today for a full time position at a nearby credit union. $15/hr. Fingers crossed that I get the second interview.

[Eldrick4221]

So I should have finished her ISO, and apparently didn't get as far into it as I thought.

 

I'm at pg4 of 7 of her ISO, and starting to feel good about Tab. My issue was I wasn't her being scummy, but a lack of showing that she's towny. I'm starting to see it now.

 

The more people I find reasons to clear people, the more I worry that I'm misclearing someone, but such is the game.

[Eldrick4221]

Aaaand the words are blurring together again. It's really annoying how little work I can get done before my body tells me to stop :/

[Eldrick4221]

I just realized I still have no idea how I feel about Talya. I'll have to look into that next. That's it from me tonight, though.

[Talya]

Good luck with your job Eld.

[Eldrick4221]

The voting yesterday did look bad for her. I somehow forgot about it while reading her ISO. So...back to unsure for me I guess :(

[Eldrick4221]

Good luck with your job Eld.

Thanks. I really need a better paying job

[michellem]

I just realized I still have no idea how I feel about Talya. I'll have to look into that next. That's it from me tonight, though.

IIRC she was early on both Verb and Wisheste, pushing them and voting them, wich is a good look for her.

[michellem]

Edit: It took her a while to vote Wisheste on D2. Put she was pushing them on D1 already and I think that looks good for her.

[Lenlo]

 

-snip-

I can see why you think that about me. I'm getting kinda bummed that I'm not finding anything useful, and it's affecting my play. I'm not giving up though!

 

P.S. Yay for another Lenlo might be Loki supporter. If enough of us are seeing it, we are probably right.

 

Enough of us "saw it" with Pral and look how that turned out. It might be cause I am the target involved, so take it with some salt, but your reaction to having another person who might lynch doesnt seem particularly... good.

 

Btw I just remembered, we can analyze D1 now that we know Verb is scum. Who initially defended him, who in particular pushed us to Pral over Verb and things like that.

[Niniel]

Appologize for not being here (again). I will have time tomorrow and maybe some later tonight. 

[Lenlo]

 

ODIN, TOWN COP, HAS BEEN LYNCHED

 

FINAL VOTE COUNT

 

Ocicat/AJ (4) - Tina, Dice, Verbal, Pralaya

Pral (9) - Leelou, Ocicat/AJ, Sooh/BFG, Lenlo, WishLESTE, John Snow, Eldrick, Mish, Talya

Verbal (4) - Songstress, Sili, KeyBOOSE, Taborline

 

 

NIGHT HAS FALLEN. NIGHT ACTIONS ARE DUE BY NOON EASTERN ON WEDNESDAY (25 HOURS FROM NOW)

Alright heres the EOD VC for Pral D1.

 

We should also go back and reread some of the arguments from the end of D1, to see how these fit together.

 

Couple of noteworth things imo:

-Talya hammered Pral, who we know is town.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Pral[/v]

 

I'm in a bad mood and can't be bothered to wait.

 

Thats the post she did it with. Is this towny? I dont think so. Looks like an excuse to hammer?

 

-Verbal just flat out voted Ocicat/AJ, with no reasoning behind it. Post #1522. More just trying to look active?

-The only train without a known scum on it up there is Verbals, who we know flipped scum. Would one of his teammates be on that train to distance knowing Pral was likely gonna be lynched anyways? My main suspect for this is Tab who seemingly followed Cory onto Verbs train.

 

I will put mine Vote: Verbal for right now, but I need to read up since last night. I don't like voting Pral when I have no idea at all. Verbal at least had me suspicious, though even then I'm not sure.

 

This is the post she used for it. Kinda non-committal imo.

 

-Would Tina, as scum, be the first to vote Ocicat/AJ? What reason did Verbal have to move his vote over there?

 

Any other interesting things people noticed? I wanna go back and reread D1 knowing peoples alignments when I have the time

[Talya]

If you want to look at D1 voting have a look at in the order it went in, because Tina wasn't the first on Ocicat. Looking at the end gives the wrong impression

 

i will put this in a spoiler if you wish to look at it

 

 

 

 

I haven't started right at the beginning, there were a lot of fluff votes, if you feel they should be add then say

 

VOTE COUNT

 

Sili (2) - Tina, KeyBOOSE

John Snow (2) - Ocicat, Dice

Keyboose (1) - Eldrick

Eldrick (2)  - Talya, Lenlo

Ocicat (1) - Sili

 

9 to lynch

 

Note - this is likely the last vote count before Shabbos ... I may get in one more.  I've asked the Speccers to help out with VCs while I'm unavailable

 

Sili is the first on Ocicat here

 

VOTE COUNT

Sili (1) - KeyBOOSE

John Snow (2) - Ocicat, Dice

Eldrick (1)  - Lenlo

Ocicat (2) -  Eldrick, Tina

Lenlo (2) -  John Snow, Mish

 

Not voting (9): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Wishleste, Talya, Sooh, Sili

 

9 to lynch

 

By this time he has unvoted and Eld voted for him followed by Tina

 

VOTE COUNT

John Snow (1) - Dice

Eldrick (1)  - Lenlo

Ocicat (2) -  Eldrick, Tina

Lenlo (2) -  John Snow, Mish

Talya (1) - WishLESTE

 

Not voting (9): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Talya, Sooh, Sili, Ocicat, Keyboose

 

9 to lynch

 

Now Wishleste has voted for me

 

VOTE COUNT
John Snow (1) - Dice
Eldrick (1)  - Lenlo
Ocicat (1) -  Tina
Lenlo (1) -  Mish
Talya (1) - WishLESTE
Mish (1) - Sili
Sili (1) - Eldrick
 
Not voting (10): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Talya, Sooh, Sili, Ocicat, Keyboose, John Snow
 
9 to lynch

 

Things are more spread out again, Tina is now on Ocicat and from what I can see doesn't move until the end of day. At this point a deadline hasn't been set. Eld has moved off Ocicate and onto Sili

 

VOTE COUNT

 

John Snow (1) - Dice
Eldrick (1)  - Lenlo
Ocicat (1) -  Tina
Talya (1) - WishLESTE
Mish (1) - Sili
Sili (1) - Eldrick
 
Not voting (11): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Talya, Sooh, Sili, Ocicat, Keyboose, John Snow, Mish
 
9 to lynch

 

A DEADLINE WILL BE SET ON MONDAY.  No Majority = No lynch

 

Mish is no longer on Lenlo

 

VOTE COUNT

John Snow (1) - Dice
Eldrick (1)  - Lenlo
Ocicat (1) -  Tina
Talya (2) - WishLESTE, Sili
Sili (1) - Eldrick
 
Not voting (11): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Talya, Sooh, Ocicat, Keyboose, John Snow, Mish
 
9 to lynch

 

A DEADLINE WILL BE SET ON MONDAY.  No Majority = No lynch

 

Sili has now voted for me

 

VOTE COUNT

Eldrick (1) - Lenlo
Ocicat (3) - Tina, Dice, Eldrick
Talya (3) - WishLESTE, Sili, Ocicat

Not voting (10): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Talya, Sooh, Keyboose, John Snow, Mish

9 to lynch

A DEADLINE WILL BE SET TODAY. No Majority = No lynch

 

Ocicat has joined him, Dice is on Ocicat and Eld has voted him again.

 

VOTE COUNT

Eldrick (1) - Lenlo
Ocicat (3) - Tina, Dice, Eldrick
Talya (3) - WishLESTE, Sili, Ocicat

Not voting (10): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Talya, Sooh, Keyboose, John Snow, Mish

9 to lynch

DEADLINE IS NOON ON WEDNESDAY. No Majority = No lynch

 

now a deadline is set

 

VOTE COUNT

Eldrick (1) - Lenlo
Ocicat (3) - Tina, Dice, Eldrick
Talya (3) - WishLESTE, Sili, Ocicat

Pral (1) - KeyBOOSE

Not voting (9): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Talya, Sooh, John Snow, Mish

9 to lynch

DEADLINE IS NOON EASTERN ON WEDNESDAY. No Majority = No lynch

 

Cory votes for pral

 

VOTE COUNT

Eldrick (1) - Lenlo
Ocicat (3) - Tina, Dice, Eldrick
Talya (3) - WishLESTE, Sili, Ocicat

Pral (1) - KeyBOOSE

WishLeste (1) - Talya

 

Not voting (8): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Sooh, John Snow, Mish

9 to lynch

DEADLINE IS NOON EASTERN ON WEDNESDAY. No Majority = No lynch

 

I vote for Wishelsete

 

VOTE COUNT

Eldrick (1) - Lenlo
Ocicat (3) - Tina, Dice, Eldrick
Talya (2) - WishLESTE, Ocicat
Pral (2) - KeyBOOSE, Leelou
WishLeste (1) - Talya
 
Not voting (8): Songstress, Sili,  Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Sooh, John Snow, Mish

9 to lynch

DEADLINE IS NOON EASTERN (GMT - 4) ON WEDNESDAY. No Majority = No lynch
 

 

I have an auction draft starting at 8pm (15 minutes), so glgl until I get back in 3+ hours
 

 

Sili unvotes me and Leelou adds her vote to Pral.

 

 

 

 

I'll do the next part in another post

[Andrej]

Ftr Tina voted Oci originally when he had more votes. I think she was the third vote but others moved on when she stayed put the entire phase. Much like D2 and D3