[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[seph]

Looks like yates beat me to the answer lol.

 

Got my car back finally, and of corse the mechanic says they couldn't find a problem...

The guy gives me two options to fox it, and Basicly tells me it is going to be a 500$ guessing game... fml

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In my snipped, these got deleted earlier.

Where's my summary of current events or should I just go to bed?

-.- From the games I have observed lately, I expect more from you Laine. Boo.
 

 

The best way to catch a scum Kiv imo is to see if he's ignoring inconvenient facts. His logic is always spot on, but in order to get that to work, he has to ignore premises that could lead to troublesome conclusions.

Oh this can be soooo helpful.

 

Yes. Now if only he didn’t have like 100+ posts to sort through. I don’t recall seeing this so far, but it probably needs to be reread.
 

So yeahhh I don't really have much of anything that I can see as pinning someone as scum or town, except from the questions/interactions I've already had. If I haven't interacted with you, I'm just going to assign you a read from the content I've read.
Color coded for your viewing pleasure! Town Scum Null
****Wow, I don't have many scum reads... lollllll
I think that the nulls have the potential to evolve into scum. Also, sorry if you don't make sense and I read you as null, lol. Ughhh I'm just getting snarkier as I go. I'll shut up. (It's okay if you don't make sense, just start making sense... :x *shuts up*)
I asked Celeste for a little help on my nulls. Hope you don't mind. She guts them.
1. Razen : I like the points Razen makes. He makes lots of sense. Low amount of posts, but high content, imo.
2. Wombat/Ocicat: Wombat seems like a gut/tone player. At first, noticed a lot of fluff from him, but he seems to have cooled off and is starting to be more analytical. As for Ocicat, never saw a single post. Did notice him lurking my profile though!
3. Seph/Zander: I think Zander going after Kivam is in earnest. Don't think he's trying to fake that and don't think it's distancing. Seph I have less information about and would like to interact more with him (we only interacted in the fluff stage :'( )
4. Hallia: Hasn't posted much, and I haven't interacted with her, but again, as with Razen, I like what she has to say.
5. Sili: Very aggressive townie. Going after anyone who has any weirdness to their posting.
6. Kivam/Mish: Kivam seems earnest, though going for boosting his own ego in Day 1 is a bit off-putting (with the emo game). Still town. Mish not as sure, but very detailed reasoning and can back up her reads.
7. Laine: Haven't seen much from her except for her "kill all hydras post". At least, that's all I can remember. She's gotta contribute more content.
8. Shad: Eh...I don't even know. I like the content, but I'm unsure about the general lurkiness. Celeste thinks she/he is null/townish (she also doesn't remember the gender XD).
9. Talya: Also unsure...I only remember her being nice to Celeste and me. Not sure if she has much in the way of posting. Celeste likes her. :3
10. Pralaya: Being the much-talked about subject of Kivam and Clov's fighting, I wanted to see an appearance. Posts very little. Celeste is also unsure about
11. Lenlo: Uh....Posts very little... No clue. Not going to attempt to meta read him. Celeste's gut read on him is scum.
12. Yates: Very helpful player. Makes a lot of sense to me. In fact, he makes the most sense to me in this game. <3
13. Nyn/Dice: Think that Nyn is town. Seems like the same kind of attitude that Sili has. Dice? Have skimmed his/her (?) posts and honestly, nothing stuck.
14. John Snow: Reads list was pretty scanty and he hasn't posted much since then. Would prod him lots for information.
15. Clov/BFG: I like both of them. Clov answers my questions and is very helpful with explaining his reasoning, and I get what he's trying to say, though I think some of it is a little too nit-picky and he's probably focusing on the wrong points. I get that BFG has real life reasons for not being here, and I don't have a problem with them, because she's still contributing.
16. Beck Csarmi: I don't even remember seeing him posting. If I'm not hallucinating, he may have complimented me, but that's the only thing I remember. lol XD Beck was also a null for me, but Celeste thinks he was scummy because they have played together before.
17. Cory/Keyholder: Cory is funny. I think his tiff with Clov isn't contrived at all, and I think that they're both town. I like Key's posts a lot.
18. wish-tree/Celeste: My most solid reads ever.
19. Nolder/Darthe: Nolder is semi-lurkish. I think he has the same issue with this game as I do. I don't really have the strongest impression of some of the players, and he doesn't either. Darthe posts little, and 50% of it is fluff.
20. AJ: Uhh? People seem to think he's scummy. I don't have a problem with him, but Celeste says that her gut read on him is scum.

On one hand, I can understand having a trillion nulls and not a lot of possible scum right now…on the other hand, we all know reads change and being unwilling/unable to commit to a scum read right now seems awfully convenient.

BUT I don't like Snow and Laine so far either - for similar and more reasons. AND I like your questions and your progression through the thread. Plus, I remember stuff you’ve said, so that makes me feel better than null about you. I’d put you a light green on my list.

 

@ Mish, I did mention you and Kiv.
Thought too much was being made on Kivs vote stuff, thought your posts honest, but didn't like your vote on Shad.

Zander...you missed the Qs over his emo stuff, didn't like it

not ready to give a reads list yet :p

How about any kind of statement on who you think is townie/scummy? I don’t like this “not ready”.
(Anyone who has played with Talya – is this normal behavior?)
 

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Because I really can't see any of the actives as very scummy. I actually can't see anyone who makes sense and isn't afraid of speaking their mind as scummy.
I also notice that scum tend to lurk a lot...so? This is a pretty weak reads list as I've already mentioned. I think that atm the conflicts among the active players are silly imo and that the real scum are taking advantage of the confusion. We have 20 players and a lot of those are fairly lurky.

That used(?) to be a problem with DM scum. I think it’s changed though. The newer players generally seem to post a lot regardless of alignment…which then makes the older players have to step up their post counts so as not to be too obvious.
 

Alanna pretty towny imo. Tayla null this far to me.

What has Laine done for you to think her townie?
Meh on your Talya feeling.

 

I have read many parts of the thread but not all of it. Despite this I am fully aware that none of you know what the **** is going on either so I am electing to begin from right here.

Right now.

Hello.

Oh, you’re here now? Hello.
 

I think the second bolded part is the place where the Kiv/Clov/Pral thing started. Wow. Clov really is it in the thick of it all. He's also in an AJ/Clov/Cory <3 triangle.

Clov ...gets around. :wub:
 

This is what I think of the game so far. Not detailed reads but short brief summaries.

Town:
CorKey (Cory/Keyholder) - Both Cory and Key have been sounding good. Been a long time since I played with Cory and his tone (especially those with emo) tells that it is town Cory. Need to see how his votes long term to get more idea

Nyce (Nyn/Dice) - Pretty solid town. I may be biased but I liked the fact that she defended me when Kiv voted me. A scum Nyn would have taken advantage of the situation. Her tone in the arguments looks genuine. Dice has been pretty fine too.

Yates - I like his reads in general. Good observations on the AJ/Clov thing. And mor importantly no gambits yet :)

Talya - Has been pretty solid in her posts. I feel she is genuinely scum-hunting and the tone is genuine.

Slightly Townish:

ClovFG (Clov/BFG) - I have been pretty fine with Clov and he seems to be looking at Clov. Cory did not like BFG posts because her reads were superficial but I think that's how she usually plays D1. She is a late-game player

Seph/Zander hydra - I don't see the reason why his train has built up. Yeah, he had some argument with Kiv but I didn't see anything scummy in that. Zander plays a bit like that - quick, out of order replies. Seen him do that as town in a couple of games

Razen - Seems to be giving logical arguments throughout the game. His vote on Lenlo appeared out of nowhere though. However, as of now, I think he is townish.

Null:

Lenlo - A bit here and there. Seen nothing bad but nothing good either.

Nolderf (Nolder/Darthe) - It is clear from his posts that he has not read the game. But, I agree with Wombat that both Darthe and Nolder have been relatively silent compared to other games

AJ - Another person who has been a bit less active compared to what I have seen his usual play. But, he has checked in - so that is good

Beck Csarmi - Lot of posts, no substance yet. Null

Laine - Not many posts. Mentioned she was busy and I need to see more from her

wish-tree/Celeste hydra - I can understand how they are finding it difficult to assess meta this early in the game. I don't really know how they play. So, null for now

Slightly Scummy:

Shad - Has been quite active. His vote on Mish looks OMGUS more than anything. Did not find it a strong enough reason to vote her and keep the vote on what is now one of the leading trains

Wombicat (Wombat/Ocicat) - Lot of one-liner replies. Looks to be posting just to show some activity. His replies have ben kinda hollow and pointless. Not sure what to make of it

Hallia - I had raised earlier about how her vote seems parked and was vague reasoning. Not many posts but otherwise playing well. Conflicted about her right now

Sili - Tough to get to know Sili's alignment early in the game - need to see his vote trains later in the game for more info. I didn't like his read list early in the game. Other posts also looks forced. But, I lam fine with his votes and reasoning there

Scum:

Kivish (Kivam/Mish) - Kiv's play has been weird. Almost every move, he keeps saying he is reaction testing when called out. He did that for the AtE thing with Zander. He voted me and then said he is testing reaction. He unvoted Zander and voted him back after a few pages and said he unvoted to test Zander's reaction. It looks a bit forced to be honest. Frankly, Mish seems townie in her posts but Kiv is the exact opposite

John Snow - Vague and weird, so far. Read list out of nowhere and no explanations. This game, he is complete opposite to how he was in the British Monarchy game.


[v]John Snow[/v]

Can you explain more what you like about Talya’s posts?

Under Clov – “He seems to be looking at Clov” - what does this mean?

“AJ has checked in, so that’s good.” - ????

Have you looked at Wombat’s posts today? After last night and today, I am feeling much better about him.

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I have to go close the building now, and then get home to the babies.  I should be able to get back on later tonight after the kids go to bed, but weekends are usually pretty rough for me because kiddos.  

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

Slow your role there, Swag.  You POE'd me in a game where I had put in more work than any living player not named Laine, and got my entire strategy wiped out by a sub that I don't believe should have ever happened. 

I'm actually not sure what you mean here. I've never fully understood the term POE, it's not my fault I ended up subbing in, and I thought it was a good thing that I recognized that your play here is different?

 

A few questions on your reads list.

 

-Do you have anything to back up Wombat besides being gut?

No, if I had I would've said so.

 

-I had the same observation about Wish, but in addition to being new to the site, I'm pretty sure she's very new to the game in general. Does that affect your opinion of her questioning?

 

Imust've missed that part. It makes me feel better about her, I understand better where's coming from. Back to a solid null on her too then.

 

-After your comment to him about Shad, I'm surprised that AJ isn't further down. I would have expected him there over Sili based on the reasoning, and maybe Talya.

 

It's a gut thing. I don't like those comments AJ gave, but it doesn't feel as bad. My gut says it's AJ reading Shad as town, my head says "scummy". Since I tend to trust my gut more on D1, he's in the slightly scummy pile.

 

 

 

 

The top part really didn't matter, just being a sore loser FWIW POE means process of elimination - find everybody that can't be mafia, lynch the remaining players. 

 

IRT the Wombat read - that's fair enough, but you called out AJ for having weak reasoning on Wombat being mafia - it was his gut.  If you're gut reading him town, I'm not sure why somebody can't read him another way?

 

In terms of Shad...I think your opinion on his read of Shad is correct, but you made a statement about them being teammates.  Was that in jest?  Or do you have something that keeps from being at the bottom of your list?

 

 

My AJ read has solely to do with his comments answering for Shad, not his read on Wombat (I think you might be confusing players there?). Of course someone can gut read a player in another way than my gut reads.

 

I wanted to provoke AJ into an answer, because I read him best when we go head to head, thus the teammate comment

 

 

 

This was your comment to AJ from earlier.

 

I don't care what you call it, to me it's answering before he did himself and giving him an out. Are you worried your teammate couldn't defend themselves? 

 

Also your pushing on Wombat seems weak to me...

 

You gain a FoS, lucky you.

 

 You sandwiched your opinion on his Wombat push in between what you're suspicious of him for and FoSing him.  I assumed that meant it was part of the reasoning.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

@Clov - can you better flesh out your AJ read, please? I was pretty surprised to see he had 23 posts in ISO because I barely remember anything outside of the other game stuff [i haven't even gottent o do any Three Amigos stuff :(]. The only real substantive content post was this one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I missed alot in the past few months, what vendettas have occurred while ive been gone? You vig someone multiple games in a row AJ?

Lol nah. It doesn't really matter tbh - it's not a game related thing but if Kivam wants to go that route he can eat rope before too long.

 

 

This is was the first post by AJ that I really cared about.  The content is actually meaningless here - I'll concede that this thought process is not really pro-town, but I don't think it's pro-maf, either.  It just seemed like such a natural reaction for AJ about something I thought was pretty much garbage.  Just based on this, I felt AJ was more likely to be town than not.

 

He made a few other easy posts early on.  Cory's right that AJ is a good enough player to fake that comfort as mafia, but I'm not trying to solve the entire game this phase.  If he sounds good, then I'm going to assume he's good, until I have a reason not to.  There are 19 slots and 26 players I have to read.  I would rather focus on finding a few players I'm comfortable with as candidates for today and getting more detailed when the game is smaller.

 

 

Was planning on doing a big WOT catch-up style post, but after reading ~30 something pages and seeing that I had less than 20 posts I wanted to actually comment on, I'll forego that and just take a big consciousness dump ITT. Most topics have been touched on and repeated enough that I don't feel the need to add anything - so I'll try to bring some fresh points to the thread.

 

Shad's joke vote on Seph early on reminds me of how he started in the Belichick game, which is cool considering our synergy in that one. I had some more of his stuff quoted in the queue before I wiped them all that I liked as well. His comments towards Hallia/wish-tree are pretty villagery and carry that sort of uncanny poise he has for a newer player. Good vibes from him thus far.

 

Wish-Tree strikes me as a Hallia.2 in the first few pages of the game. Don't know what that means yet but it's the impression I got, so there you have it.

 

Hallia and Nyn are passing the eyeball test so far. Halli's coming out strong against Kiv and I think her reaction to his whining is good in the sense that she's an emotive player and I would expect her to react that way to that sort of thing. Nyn's sharpness came out once she got past her intro catch-up. She's picking up on the details I think she would as town regarding Kiv's Pral vote, and the responses to Celeste/wish-tree are the amusingly blunt type we all know and love.

 

Wombat's OP at a glance makes me think the randomizing wasn't so good to him, more gut than anything. Wanna see him get more involved once things picked up more beyond the catch up style posts.

 

Zander/Seph/Laine seem to doing that townie circle jerk thing they like to do - we'll see how that progresses. Zander is easy going but I'll be looking for when he starts to make cases after our last game together where he got by a lot on being 'Zander'. Don't really have an opinion regarding Laine picking up Mynd's torch, the stance itself is null but we'll see where she goes with it. Not much about Seph stuck out to me beyond him reiterating a lot that he really likes wish-tree/Celeste.

 

Kivish slot giving me some troubles atm. I basically hate Kivam's approach this game, first with me and then later with Pral and the subsequent backtracking, but Mish feels pretty genuine with how she's reacting to things ITT. Wouldn't really have thought Mish would be the redeeming quality for them (no offense) but if they weren't paired I would support a Kiv wagon at this point.

 

This was the first post of AJ's that really contributed to anything.  Bold are parts that I can see where he's coming from, which I assumed is what Cory meant by thought process.  The part about Wombat doesn't stand out on its own, but he does follow it up with the vote and gave me a reasonable answer when I asked him about it. 

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

Seems people are starting to echo my thoughts here.

 

Need to leave for work now, I'll try to peek at the thread throughout the day if I get the chance.

 

 

Quickly before I arrive at Sea World for the day:

 

@Mish - Call it more a better fundamental understanding of how he operates. I'm not looking to give him an out and he can explain for himself, which he may have already and I missed it. It's just something I could see him doing and added it to give you some insight. Seph should probably already know that, ftr.

 

@Clov/Zander - more of hunch/gut read atm. His OP and posts thus far just read to me like scumBat does. You could say it's a prod, sure, but I am mildly suspicious until he picks it up.

 

After the two of them hydraed together in a pretty drawn out game, I would expect that AJ would have better insight on reading Wombat than others.  I suppose they weren't actually town that game, but I really do believe they were trying to be.

 

 

 

 

I assumed Cory's post to mean that AJ was making a decent amount of contributions but without ever showing work towards how he got there.  I kind of felt the opposite was true - he hadn't done much, but he had backed up most of what he'd said.  So he wasn't lacking substance, he was lacking volume. 

 

 

What is your read on AJ?

 

 

Pretty much lock mafia at this point.  Y u trolling me

 

@Clov what's your read on wombats hydra partner? Since you have seen to play with both of them.

 

I've never played with him.  I just "know" him through the spec thread for the Champs Series.  And I have no read on him - I'm pretty sure he hasn't posted.

 

 

This is what I think of the game so far. Not detailed reads but short brief summaries.

 

Town:

CorKey (Cory/Keyholder) - Both Cory and Key have been sounding good. Been a long time since I played with Cory and his tone (especially those with emo) tells that it is town Cory. Need to see how his votes long term to get more idea

 

Nyce (Nyn/Dice) - Pretty solid town. I may be biased but I liked the fact that she defended me when Kiv voted me. A scum Nyn would have taken advantage of the situation. Her tone in the arguments looks genuine. Dice has been pretty fine too. 

 

Yates - I like his reads in general. Good observations on the AJ/Clov thing. And mor importantly no gambits yet :)

 

Talya - Has been pretty solid in her posts. I feel she is genuinely scum-hunting and the tone is genuine. 

 

Slightly Townish:

 

ClovFG (Clov/BFG) - I have been pretty fine with Clov and he seems to be looking at Clov. Cory did not like BFG posts because her reads were superficial but I think that's how she usually plays D1. She is a late-game player

 

Seph/Zander hydra - I don't see the reason why his train has built up. Yeah, he had some argument with Kiv but I didn't see anything scummy in that. Zander plays a bit like that - quick, out of order replies. Seen him do that as town in a couple of games

 

Razen - Seems to be giving logical arguments throughout the game. His vote on Lenlo appeared out of nowhere though. However, as of now, I think he is townish.

 

Null:

 

Lenlo - A bit here and there. Seen nothing bad but nothing good either. 

 

Nolderf (Nolder/Darthe) - It is clear from his posts that he has not read the game. But, I agree with Wombat that both Darthe and Nolder have been relatively silent compared to other games

 

AJ - Another person who has been a bit less active compared to what I have seen his usual play. But, he has checked in - so that is good

 

Beck Csarmi - Lot of posts, no substance yet. Null

 

Laine - Not many posts. Mentioned she was busy and I need to see more from her

 

wish-tree/Celeste hydra - I can understand how they are finding it difficult to assess meta this early in the game. I don't really know how they play. So, null for now

 

Slightly Scummy:

 

Shad - Has been quite active. His vote on Mish looks OMGUS more than anything. Did not find it a strong enough reason to vote her and keep the vote on what is now one of the leading trains   

 

Wombicat (Wombat/Ocicat) - Lot of one-liner replies. Looks to be posting just to show some activity. His replies have ben kinda hollow and pointless. Not sure what to make of it

 

Hallia - I had raised earlier about how her vote seems parked and was vague reasoning. Not many posts but otherwise playing well. Conflicted about her right now 

 

Sili - Tough to get to know Sili's alignment early in the game - need to see his vote trains later in the game for more info. I didn't like his read list  early in the game. Other posts also looks forced. But, I lam fine with his votes and reasoning there

 

Scum:

 

Kivish (Kivam/Mish) - Kiv's play has been weird. Almost every move, he keeps saying he is reaction testing when called out. He did that for the AtE thing with Zander. He voted me and then said he is testing reaction. He unvoted Zander and voted him back after a few pages and said he unvoted to test Zander's reaction. It looks a bit forced to be honest. Frankly, Mish seems townie in her posts but Kiv is the exact opposite

 

John Snow - Vague and weird, so far. Read list out of nowhere and no explanations. This game, he is complete opposite to how he was in the British Monarchy game.  

 

 

[v]John Snow[/v]

 

 

The only of these reads I can't see you having at this point is Talya being one of your strongest townies and John Snow being your strongest mafia.  I didn't play British Monarchy with him, so can you explain what he was like there (and how it's different from what he's doing this game?)  Also not sure what you're seeing about Talya.  I'll take another look at her posts later but it seemed like she was kind of sitting in the middle on some issues and asking questions, but not really following up or introducing anything to the table.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

@ Sili - the reason of the Meh - at the end of reading yesterday, you had posted a fair bit, but couldn't pick anything major out and no feelings either way. Will need to reread you. Why did you vote Darthe and then unvote and vote Kivam?

 

I am unimpressed with Darthe. It was a hunch.

 

But Kivam is better. He was nitpicking Zander's statement to misinterpret it and build a push. It echoes his behavior last I saw his mafia play, and in general I think repeatedly 'misinterpreting' people is a sign of mafia.

[Lenlo]

 

*snipped*

So reading this was fun cause the quotes are bonked. Clov only asked me when did I mention AJ before that post, not why I had him on the list.

*snipped*

-.- It was totally implied. You said “As I said before, AJ is a good lunch.” If someone says where did you mention them before, they are looking for where you explained your read, dude.

 

I disagree dear, but I digress.

[Sili Quirrels]

Oh that reminds me:

 

Similar to Aj was, Yates isn't pushing an agenda either. Maybe I'm wrong, but I expect experienced players to be more agendaee.

What does this mean, Sili? Are you saying pushing an agenda is something you expect from Town or from scum?

 

Since I'm not voting you it's safe to say I expect it from experienced scum.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

*snipped*

So reading this was fun cause the quotes are bonked. Clov only asked me when did I mention AJ before that post, not why I had him on the list.

*snipped*

-.- It was totally implied. You said “As I said before, AJ is a good lunch.” If someone says where did you mention them before, they are looking for where you explained your read, dude.

 

I disagree dear, but I digress.

 

 

You're actually right about this, but only because I figured you actually HAD explained the read and seeing where you brought them up WOULD give the reasoning.  So since we're talking about it...what IS your reasoning?

[Sili Quirrels]

wutup clov.

[Sili Quirrels]

I can't read Lenlo, like at all. Whenever I try I get static.

[Clovdyx]

I can't read Lenlo, like at all. Whenever I try I get static.

I'm not living him this game. The dance he's doing with key makes it seem like he's avoiding having to justify a read. Him piggybacking corys point about me after Cory had already acknowledge what I was getting at is pretty sketchy too.

[seph]

 

@ Sili - the reason of the Meh - at the end of reading yesterday, you had posted a fair bit, but couldn't pick anything major out and no feelings either way. Will need to reread you. Why did you vote Darthe and then unvote and vote Kivam?

 

 

I am unimpressed with Darthe. It was a hunch.

 

But Kivam is better. He was nitpicking Zander's statement to misinterpret it and build a push. It echoes his behavior last I saw his mafia play, and in general I think repeatedly 'misinterpreting' people is a sign of mafia.

I was thinking this the whole time I have been reading about kiv. I was in a ongoing game with him, before this and helped lynch him day 2. I went and read it again and the biggest difference is the way he reacts to the pressure. As scum he kept trying to push his angles, and seemed to have more of a bravodos in ghat game, where as this one, he seems more defensive.

 

I'm hoping to get a chance to fully catch up tonight, but this is were I am currently.

These four I feel the worst about atp.

Kiv hydra I'm fine with the vote here for the moment. Zander is being able to be more active than I have, so I trust his reads.

Nolder hydra- I don't remember much besides neither of them wanting to play catch up.

Js the parts that we're pinging me are right where I currently am in my read, so I will have some quotes later.

Hallia I don't really remember much from hallia. Her opening seemed fine to me, but that is all I have on her.

 

I do not trust, And I never will.

Clov

Cory

 

Right now yates and nyn are my stongest town reads, followed by sili and wishtree.

I really feel like I'm lacking in the town department, for the amount of pages we have.

[Kivam]

NOT looking forward to my post-shabbos catch up.

 

Have fun storming the castle!

[seph]

Lenlo who are your scum leans. I saw you vote us, but it seemed like it was mainly because zander had interactions with the whole thread, and he would produce the most info.

 

I would quote it if I could, but I want to make sure I'm reading it right.

[Kaylee]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT (unchanged)

 

Seph/Zander (4): ClovFG, John Snow, Wombicat, Lenlo

Kivish (5): Hallia, Nyce, Zander/Seph, Shad, Sili

Lenlo (2): CorKey, Razen

Wombicat (1): AJ

John Snow (2): Yates, Pral

 

 

Not Voting (6): Csarmi, Talya, Wish/Celeste, Kivish, Nolderf, Laine

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Monday Aug 17th @ 9am MST/Noon EST

[WWWwombat]

Snow and Lenlo trains are crap.  Still waiting fr Clov to give me his read on AJ.  Would like to hear more from Shad and Razen.

[seph]

I really don't have any kind of read on len, and I just started to get into the area where js starts posting, and I think Pral was nudging him.

 

Snow and Lenlo trains are crap.  Still waiting fr Clov to give me his read on AJ.  Would like to hear more from Shad and Razen.

Do you mean the reasons people are voting are crap, or you don't think there scum?

[WWWwombat]

The reasons are crap.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

@ Sili - the reason of the Meh - at the end of reading yesterday, you had posted a fair bit, but couldn't pick anything major out and no feelings either way. Will need to reread you. Why did you vote Darthe and then unvote and vote Kivam?

 

I am unimpressed with Darthe. It was a hunch.

 

But Kivam is better. He was nitpicking Zander's statement to misinterpret it and build a push. It echoes his behavior last I saw his mafia play, and in general I think repeatedly 'misinterpreting' people is a sign of mafia.

I was thinking this the whole time I have been reading about kiv. I was in a ongoing game with him, before this and helped lynch him day 2. I went and read it again and the biggest difference is the way he reacts to the pressure. As scum he kept trying to push his angles, and seemed to have more of a bravodos in ghat game, where as this one, he seems more defensive.

 

I'm hoping to get a chance to fully catch up tonight, but this is were I am currently.

These four I feel the worst about atp.

Kiv hydra I'm fine with the vote here for the moment. Zander is being able to be more active than I have, so I trust his reads.

Nolder hydra- I don't remember much besides neither of them wanting to play catch up.

Js the parts that we're pinging me are right where I currently am in my read, so I will have some quotes later.

Hallia I don't really remember much from hallia. Her opening seemed fine to me, but that is all I have on her.

 

I do not trust, And I never will.

Clov

Cory

 

Right now yates and nyn are my stongest town reads, followed by sili and wishtree.

I really feel like I'm lacking in the town department, for the amount of pages we have.

 

Kivam is your counter wagon, therefore I am interested in your read of Kivam after establishing his meta. Are you town reading him?

 

Furthermore, how has Kivam been modest? or defensive? Kivam has ignored the arguments against him.

 

=/

[Sili Quirrels]

Wow so many people disliked my Darthe vote...   

 

@Mish, tell me why I should know Darthe is town?

[seph]

No I'm not town reading him. I would hardly call one game meta though, it's something I want to keep an eye on as the game progresses. Meta does help, but it shouldn't be solely used for a push. Right alanna :)

 

Kivam hasn't ignored the posts towards him, I believe he has interacted with you all with your opinions towards him, he has been dodging or deflecting would be better terms I think.

 

The biggest worry I have with Kivam is the way he has been misinterpreting things, and I am around the area were he apparently was misrepping Pral, with alot of statements he made towards him

[Sili Quirrels]

I remember him misrepping me too =/

[seph]

That's how it started last game. What I'm wondering is if he is playing differently here because there are more people who have played with him before, because his games are different so far.

[Sili Quirrels]

He put more effort into my game with him.