[Pick Your Poison] Pulp Fiction Mafia - Game Over

[Andrej]

Final Count 4

 

Darthe (2) - Thane Vakarian, Sooh

Sooh (3) - Talya, Shad, dicetosser1

AlannaLynn (1) - Darthe

Thane Vakarian (1) - AlannaLynn

 

Not Voting (0)

 

4 to lynch.

 

You have failed to reach majority, thus no lynch has occured. It is now Night 4, you have until 9am PST tomorrow morning to submit your NAs or they will be forfeit. You have 12 hours.

[Thane Vakarian]

i'd rather go into the next day with better odds. Lose town during day and another during night would have sucked. 

 

we'll prob lose 1 townie tonight, and then we'll go into the next day 4 vs 2. Better than 3 vs 2 imo

[Shad_]

No, it's in relation to you calling me town from D1, and then all of a sudden flipping without explanation.

 

I would say you started out a rung above most and haven't done much climbing. 

[Shad_]

Going to stick my nose in the other game for a while and take another look at this mess tomorrow.

[Shad_]

One thing that crossed my mind, 6 is 4 to lynch, not 3, so it prevents someone from making a derp vote that costs us the game.  That's a plus.  Feeling better now.

[Shad_]

Meh, my mind keeps going back to this game.  I don't see where a lynch isn't optimal here.  You gain 60 more hours to think and more control over the final lynch, but at the expense of having another unresolved slot in the mix.

[Thane Vakarian]

i'm just waiting to see when night ends, and work it from there.  Worst case scenario, they will not submit a NK and we're back to the drawing board. 

[Shad_]

Is that a bad scenario?  I would prefer two chances to lynch scum over one...

[Thane Vakarian]

it can be seen both ways. POE would be smaller, so perhaps easier to find wolves. But, you'd lack a player... it's mixed, kinda. 

[Talya]

Hmmm not sure what to think about the no lynch. I feel we are all just sat here waiting for wolves to pick us off one by one

[Darthe]

Those votes basically admit that one of Sooh/Thane is a wolf ftr. Just look at that eod, it's purposefully obtuse.

[alannalynn]

Gonna try to get through some ISOs tonight while I have the time(?) Aka... alanna's sacrificing sleep.

 

Darthe ISO Also, @DARTHE

D1
Started out d1 early reads, Thane/Seph a wolf between them
Seems ~annoyed that Seph fumbled early on, with this post
Again here

 What was the answer to this question irt Talya, Darthe?

Responds to BFG that he's not willing to "add fuel to the fire" irt Seph, not ready to vote anyone

 What did this post mean "if then statement" [ANSWERED]

I'm curious how you got your read on Tina, Darthe. In your next post of your ISO you say her statement about her train is "worthy of harbinger" and I'm trying to figure out if you would blatantly lead a mislynch like that as mafia. The then proceed to set up a Thane lynch afterwards based on his "wishy washy" language"

 

Clarify your "layers" comment towards Sooh here for me. Why did you hesitate to be more critical of that post in particular?

Wants a Thane wagon, not enough people to move over

Even reading this through Darthe's ISO, Thane's comment in this MQ comes off soo awkward sounding. Also, Darthe... I didn't see any explanation on Tina. What's up with that man?

Thane post still awk

This is GROSS. Okay, so you made up an "if/then" clause that if Tina flipped mafia, you could point out her teammates, but you didn't have enough of a scum read on her to even support that others had voted her? That "Made sense for me to go on, not sure why others did though" is basically contradicting your own scum read on her as if you didn't think she'd flip scum in the first place. Weird Darthe. Weird.

D2
WHY DID YOU START OUT VOTING HALLIA? AREN'T YOU FOSING THANE?

I fudging hate how you come off sometimes fyi. I'm thinking it's more of a town tell for you, but I also think you're just as annoying as scum too. Meh. <3

Not sure what this is in response to. Shad has just asked Thane thoughts on me and Kivam, but Darthe chimes in with "I would go Laine over Shad, ftr" Um.. huh? So you're scum reading Thane, voting Hally, and FOSing me/Shad?

Clarifies IF/Then statement to mean Tina, Kivam, Thane after Talya guessses Tina, Kiv, Seph.  Would probably + Talya on this

Kivam/Darthe convo over Thane's behavior with his rhetoric: Kiv claimes Darthe would have called the behavior scummy after being called out whether it was continued or not, but Darthe claims damage already done. Darthe: where did Kivam get the 66/33 Scum/Town to 50/50 irt the behavior? I see you corrected it to 75/25 Town/Scum to 50/50. Are you saying that the continued behavior makes him scummier as a result?

Why this move to Sooh?

Says he'd vote Kiv; unwilling to read posts larger than a paragraph (pretty much my life lol).

 

Says Talya, Shad, Leelou are generally not wolfy this game

Votes Kivam, ties votes 4/4
Dice: Leelou, Kiv, Thane, Hally
Kiv: Dice, Shad, Seph, Darthe
Sooh: Talya
Hally: Alanna

 

Who is the she you're referring to in this post?

Darthe spam to lynch Kiv... Darthe weird yo

D3
Thane wolf, agrees with Talya that Dice looks better for Kiv wolf flip, Votes Hally for.... calling out Darthe for being in a nice bus slot?

Votes me, and leave it there; Hally lynched that day

D4
"claims" 1x cop and says Sooh/Thane last two.
Then this post:
Clears Dice/Talya/Shad until F3, unsure about me, POE comes to Sooh/Thane

Not voting Dice today, pushing for Sooh/Thane lynch

Voting me? For what? I haven't kept up with my games like I've wanted to and that has made me lazy. I voiced the reads I could recall while driving to work. Also, if you're so sure about Sooh/Thane, why switch votes to me and halt the momentum?

What do you think about Shad voting me?

WTF is this: "That this town is going to derp right into a loss to you [shad] and Talya?  Yeah, I'm thinking that but don't worry, I'll never act on it." I don't like this post. At. All. What are you trying to say here?

"I read Talya town the whole way through Belichick until DT was spoiled. I really don't see a distinct difference in her town and scum games. But the one thing I keep going back to is how she put Kivam at L-1 over Dice." Point for Talya right here.

 

Overall he's been pretty consistently scum reading Thane all game, but I don't see why not push that lynch through earlier. So D1 is the Tina lynch because of your if/then prediction which would name Thane/Kivam as teammates. Seems to be easily reading Seph as town D1 despite all the wolfy behavior which feels a little odd, but quite a few were doing that. I think his annoyance as Seph being derpy is a good look for Darthe; I think he would be more opportunistic as scum and try to push that lynch? Maybe. He did try to CFD Thane D1 but not enough people to do it; I think one post in particular of Thane's comes off very ew to me and that's probably why I'll ISO Thane next. Find it weird how he tiptoes around d2 with voting Hally but eventually does end up on the Kivam wagon, tying them 4/4. Could be bussing, but I like that he responded to Talya (another + for her) before this about the if/then statement. Tina/Kiv/Thane. He's not around d3 and Hally is lynched. D4 we fail to lynch, but his "gambit" is used to support his suspicion of Sooh/Thane.

There's  a few things I didn't like in the ISO that I read and I'd rather have answers to those.

I am feeling pretty positive about Darthe and Talya as a result.
 

[alannalynn]

Those votes basically admit that one of Sooh/Thane is a wolf ftr. Just look at that eod, it's purposefully obtuse.

I did a thing. Respond.

[Darthe]

My read on Tina was that sometimes I can see a pattern, like how a puzzle all goes together, and a few of the things she said tied her into Kiv and Thane in such a way that I thought I had the wolf team picked out. Tbh I don't recall which things, I'd have to reread, but at the time it was so sensible and pretty looking.

[alannalynn]

Thane ISOs make my head hurt because lots of spam and he doesn't quote much so... yeah.

D1
Town vibe from Seph early on
Spamming with towncore of banders
Jokingly (?) adds Leelou to town pile
Seph quite town, wants to add Darthe to town pile too (it's like a collection!!!)
Called out by Hally on town reading ppl for "spammy chatter", claims tone reading- I feel like this is a new easy way to town read people for little to no reason? lol

Darthe quite, pass for job; BFG/Seph being townread; needs more me
This post he calls out the heat on Tina and he's not convinced, but not sure, but he sucks at d1; over explanation? I can see the wishy-washy language here. Reads list in link
If we're assuming Wolf!Thane, one teammate in either category, would leave us right now with...
Townies:
(Seph/BFG/Leelou)
Thane
Shad
Talya
Sooh

Needs investigating
(Hall/Tina/KIVAM)
Darthe
Alanna
Dice

Just a comment.

Could go with a Darthe/Dice vote. Has to be prodded for further information, here

Laine's quiet; doubting Dice because not feeling town presence; Darthe quiet too and not feeling town. These reads feel really weak because two of them are based on lack of information and the other is that he isn't town reading Dice like usual. Feels very... thin.

No vote on d1?

This is post-Darthe calling out the extra wording in Thane's posts. Which I feel like starts to play it up a bit on purpose? Self awareness? I'm not sure if it's townie stubbornness or mafia antics, but the wording definitely becomes more pronounced after Darthe's case.

Thane are you predicting no lynch for d1? Why aren't you laying down a vote?

Wants Darthe to be town, but needs him to be more active. I feel like this is a slight pocketing move. Like, hey.. I'm kinda town-reading you, now let's be friends? lol

 

This list right here, Thane, are you saying the top is most suspicious or least suspicious? Your wording is weird here.

THIS post. Weird. Reads weird. Just. Ugh. I don't like it. Feels like overcompensating though. Why do you feel the need to overcompensate here? And for what?
Darthe is right though, this baiting and dragging out of these shenanigans is not very pro town. just fyi

No vote for d1. Odd though. He never really solidified any reads, which is also strange. Didn't touch the Tina lynch much other than to keep his hands off it lol. Light suspicion on Darthe/Dice but nothing solid. Anywhere.

I don't see the need to blame town on a poor lynch "did say she was worth investigating, didn't mean she was worth lynching" when you didn't even vote, yourself on d1. Very dirty. Yet, you wanted to vote Darthe but didn't think it'd get traction. What's wrong with taking a stance?

Nudges Dice to "show himself town" - comes off as Thane not wanting to put forth the effort of trying to town read Dice, instead it's wholly on Dice to be townread? Meh.
Not convinced Darthe is town.

 

Other people's thoughts??? on this back and forth with Kivam over Thane's stance on Tina? It feels like something that could have been pushed a lot more, imo

D2
I'm assuming this puts Darthe firmly in scum pile

Also sus of Shad with one of those weird quips. "fake claiming as scum would be a very bad idea because at one point, it'd bite you in the ass. Shad, i'm town here this game. I'm kinda getting worried that you're not.... "

Then he's not troubled by Shad, needs more info on Hally, wants to lynch Darthe

This post. Compare this: "BFG was easy. Laine can do that to, i've seen her do it before. Not happening this game. Last game it didn't happen, she was wolf. Which makes me wonder...." to what is above about Shad. Feels very similar. Applying doubt without straight up FOSing Shad or me.

Next, WTL anyone except Seph, Leelou, Sooh, Talya. Would Mafia!Thane put one teammate here? Btw Sooh and Talya... easily Sooh.

Still sus of Dice, "gave him a chance" Says he's been defensive

Can connect me and Dice; NOW I'm a suspect bc I'm not town leading?

Still continuing with that vig claiming throughout the day: are you a vig or not man?

Proof he's not reading Kivam's posts? lol

Asking for top 3 townies....
Shad: Leelou, Sooh, Seph, Thane, Talya
Hally: Kiv, Leelou
Darthe: Talya, Shad, Leelou

Agrees with Darthe's top three and apologizes for baiting him; Thane.. aren't you scum reading Darthe? Then why are you treating him like town?

 

Ew. This jumping on Dice train so quickly (FOUR MINUTES) after the Kivam vote reeks. I mean, I can see Town!Thane finally getting the train he wants and voting Dice, but I can also see Scum!Thane joining that train becasue he's been building up to it. Which he basically calls this exact thing in his post "Probably someone complaiing that only scumThnae would do this kind of thing.." Why find it necessary to preemptively defend youself against this action?

His Dice tunnel actually comes off very convincing. Kinda. "Competing trains more interesting" "More convinced Dice is wolf than Kivam" Begging people to switch votes... Then the Kivam lynch. LOL

Okay so. Meta: would Mafia!Thane avoid making a stance on a scummates lynch by tunneling in elsewhere like this?

Discounts my "Sooh's always scum" and inactivity hurting her. Seph good, Shad needs a check. Debating Darthe/Kiv w/w. Leelou town.

 Reads list.

D3
Doesn't want to rush Hally lynch; disagrees with Sooh lynch due to absence; Votes Hally after her lack of defense

Wants to lynch Darthe/Dice d4

Didn't like Darthe's reaction to prodding, doesn't think he's actively scumhunting; Dice lurky as wolf? (no...?) wants Dice to participate more

Not getting a town feel from me, nor wolf. Am I null? LOL
Town: Leelou, Shad, Talya; Sooh needs to prove herself

D4
Not a vig. Obv.

Darthe tunnel.

Darthe "reaching" but NOW Dice shouldn't be lynched? Why Thane?

To Kivam that one of Dice/Shad is scum. Doubts it's Shad.

 

 

 

 

I refuse to proof read this, but it should make sense. Not feeling so great about Thane, and I think I could link him to Sooh easily here.

I'm basically falling asleep at my keyboard. So other ISOs will have to wait until tomorrow.

 

@DARTHE: I had more questions than just that? You don't get to pick and choose.

@THANE: respond to your ISO, please and thank you.

 

Others: comments?

 

Okay bed time, I'm fudging tired. I can't function. 50 new people at work this week. School starts on Thursday. I'm tired, my voice hurts, my brain hurts, my fingers hurt. I just need to slip further into my covers and hibernate now. Mmmkkk bye

[Thane Vakarian]

respond to that? The way you're wording it all seems like you made up your mind that i'm a wolf. 

 

Feeling i get? Darthe and you are starting to work together to make me look bad and get me mislynched.

 

feeling leads to me to think remaining wolf team would be Darthe/Laine

 

your vote end D4 was quite bad imo.

 

i'll check back in when night is over.

[Darthe]

All of your links don't work for me

[Darthe]

Can't do much with things I can't open Laine, besides I'm at work but I'll get to you when I can

[Darthe]

respond to that? The way you're wording it all seems like you made up your mind that i'm a wolf.

 

Feeling i get? Darthe and you are starting to work together to make me look bad and get me mislynched.

 

feeling leads to me to think remaining wolf team would be Darthe/Laine

 

your vote end D4 was quite bad imo.

 

i'll check back in when night is over.

What kind of confused bias does take to think you don't look like an obvious wolf in this game?

[Andrej]

 

Darthe was killed. He was:

Marvin - Vanilla Town

 

 

It is now Day Five. You have until Thursday at 8am PST before Night falls again (48 hours).

[Thane Vakarian]

interesting....  not what i had expected at all.

 

and now he's in DT. And will know he was wrong about me.

 

let's play.

 

remaining players:

 

me
Laine

Sooh

Talya
Dice
Shad

 

need to reconsider some stuff it seems.

 

Sooh still town here. imo. which can be wrong, it seems.

 

from EOD, and Night... i get a bad feeling about [v]Laine[/v]

[Shad_]

Yeah, not the NK I was expecting...

 

Think PRs should reveal at this point?  It would narrow the pool and give us two players we can trust to not be lying.

[Sooh]

Would be easy for mafia to counterclaim and to put theirs in first though. They picked which PRs should be in the game.

[Talya]

Thane - why Sooh town?

 

Why Laine?

 

Sooh who would you lynch?

 

Shad. I think Sooh has a point. Who is your top lynch?

[Shad_]

I'm tempted to say let them.  You figure there's no way there's a jk or Leelou wouldn't be dead, and a vig would have shot by now, cop is dead, so that leaves tracker and innocent child.  IC can't be counterclaimed, so it's just tracker, and if scum claim it too then we know for a fact one of the two of them is scum.