Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

Andrej · July 9, 2015

FTR even if Rand does kill Verb and he flips wolf I would still lynch Rand.

More so for lulz that he'd cap his teammate to get cleared. Like I would enjoy that so so much

Talya · July 9, 2015

Would be hilarious.

Rand has Verb as a suspect - I agree Verb looks wolfy. Rand has claimed Vig and wants to vet himself. This is a good opportunity.

If Verb is wolf, would Rand also be wolf? Maybe we can solve this by a vig, depending on the result could solve Rand or not.

Shad_ · July 9, 2015

Would be hilarious.

Rand has Verb as a suspect - I agree Verb looks wolfy. Rand has claimed Vig and wants to vet himself. This is a good opportunity.

I'm down for it since scum have limited NKs. Probably shouldn't shoot Rand tonight then.

It's pretty simple. If he shoots and he's town he's helping clear poe. Rand and Verbal v/v? Then we've got some DEEP wolves in this game. If he shoots and he's scum he's either wasting a scum vig on a mislynch candidate or he's killing his team mate. If Verbal doesn't die then Rand is confirmed wolf.

Andrej · July 9, 2015

Minus Rand/Laine's votes I'm pretty sure everyone on both wagons are villagers.

Once Rand is gone that leaves Verb/BFG as the last one and I go Verb first pretty much always.

Talya · July 9, 2015

FTR even if Rand does kill Verb and he flips wolf I would still lynch Rand.

More so for lulz that he'd cap his teammate to get cleared. Like I would enjoy that so so much

You think he would really do this? lol..Rand, please lynch your team mate so that we can lynch you too by lunch time tomorrow and we can celebrate with Pims on the lawn...

Andrej · July 9, 2015

Would be hilarious.

Rand has Verb as a suspect - I agree Verb looks wolfy. Rand has claimed Vig and wants to vet himself. This is a good opportunity.

I'm down for it since scum have limited NKs. Probably shouldn't shoot Rand tonight then.

It's pretty simple. If he shoots and he's town he's helping clear poe. Rand and Verbal v/v? Then we've got some DEEP wolves in this game. If he shoots and he's scum he's either wasting a scum vig on a mislynch candidate or he's killing his team mate. If Verbal doesn't die then Rand is confirmed wolf.

There's one reasons why Rand shoots and Verb doesn't die. Be ready for this scenario D3

Thane Vakarian · July 9, 2015

ready for anything D3, bring it on!

Shad_ · July 9, 2015

Would be hilarious.

Rand has Verb as a suspect - I agree Verb looks wolfy. Rand has claimed Vig and wants to vet himself. This is a good opportunity.

If Verb is wolf, would Rand also be wolf? Maybe we can solve this by a vig, depending on the result could solve Rand or not.

I'm not going to draw conclusions on Verb Rand w/w until I've done some homework. One wolf between them? Highly likely. Are they bottom of the poe right now? Definitely.

Talya · July 9, 2015

ebwop - Rand, please kill your team mate.

Talya · July 9, 2015

Would be hilarious.

Rand has Verb as a suspect - I agree Verb looks wolfy. Rand has claimed Vig and wants to vet himself. This is a good opportunity.

I'm down for it since scum have limited NKs. Probably shouldn't shoot Rand tonight then.

It's pretty simple. If he shoots and he's town he's helping clear poe. Rand and Verbal v/v? Then we've got some DEEP wolves in this game. If he shoots and he's scum he's either wasting a scum vig on a mislynch candidate or he's killing his team mate. If Verbal doesn't die then Rand is confirmed wolf.

There's one reasons why Rand shoots and Verb doesn't die. Be ready for this scenario D3

hmmm, that would be interesting, we will just have Rand's word that he vigged him.

Shad_ · July 9, 2015

Would be hilarious.

Rand has Verb as a suspect - I agree Verb looks wolfy. Rand has claimed Vig and wants to vet himself. This is a good opportunity.

I'm down for it since scum have limited NKs. Probably shouldn't shoot Rand tonight then.

It's pretty simple. If he shoots and he's town he's helping clear poe. Rand and Verbal v/v? Then we've got some DEEP wolves in this game. If he shoots and he's scum he's either wasting a scum vig on a mislynch candidate or he's killing his team mate. If Verbal doesn't die then Rand is confirmed wolf.

There's one reasons why Rand shoots and Verb doesn't die. Be ready for this scenario D3

Thing with that scenario is it confirms Rand and Verbal w/w. No janitors in this house. :cool:

Talya · July 9, 2015

@ Shad, it might mean something else...I think that was what AJ was getting at

Shad_ · July 9, 2015

Minus Rand/Laine's votes I'm pretty sure everyone on both wagons are villagers.

Once Rand is gone that leaves Verb/BFG as the last one and I go Verb first pretty much always.

Basically Rand then Verb then tricky. I won't believe Zander's scum unless Seph tells me he is because he is so Zander in this game, plus Laine tried to set him up, but he did miss the trains. BFG missed the trains but has been on the hunt all game making intelligent assessments that have at least lead to the correct conclusion with Laine. Her not voting Rand was suspect but Laine was at L-1 and you had already declared intent to hammer so null on that. Talya was on the trains and Laine tried to set her up. So did Rand for that matter. (I guess we still have to see how Rand flips before I can call it a set-up.) Only thing Talya has going against her that I'm aware of is Zander's gut feeling about her. Dice is pretty clear because I think he was Laine's legit first mislynch target plus he was on board. Need to look at just how clear Laine's flip makes Thane but he's certainly behaving like town now and he was all in on lynching scum D2. I will never lynch AJ. But you're probably dead tonight. :(

I'll take a harder look at this before night ends but it's where I'm at right now.

Shad_ · July 9, 2015

If Rand is 1x then Laine died with a live round. If he's 2x it's 50/50 whether scum have 1 or 2 shots. If he's town I don't have a clue. I am assuming Pral did not vig Yates.

RandA lThor · July 9, 2015

I had a bunch of posts on alanna on how what she was doing near the end was pure WIFOM and AtE, but I guess thats useless now, so I'll just respond to her points on me, cuz some of you have similar ones.

Second part. Did I mention sorry about the formatting? I don't have the time and frame of mind to make it look pretty; I'm sure y'all can figure it out.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/?view=findpost&p=3510784

"K, this is a little tinfoil, but imo at least one mafia/wolf would want to know why Yates had a scum read on someone if that person was town, because if valid enough, scum would have a reason to bw on the train all the way to lynch town, while having Yates lead it (who we also know is town), as a perfect excuse. I also believe because of this that Yates wasn't killed by the mafia, because they would have wanted to keep him alive to put the blame on for killing Hally. Anyways, this leads me to thinking one of Shad and Laine is mafia, and since I have a townread on Shad right now, and a maf read on Laine, I'm leaning towards Laine being mafia."

So I'm being read mafia by you by process of elimination? I'm thinking it's pretty very extremely possible that we're both town, unless Shad is playing the best scum game of his life, because I'm certainly playing my worst town game ever.

By the way, this is where she entertained v/v. Not that it matters anymore lol.

"Not only that, but she "jokingly" brought up all the other joke votes on her, trying to exaggerate the voting into almost a train that would make people stop voting her and give an opening for maf partners to start questioning the people joining the train like Dice. Then she can hop on and say, yeah they tried to lynch me in the disguise of joke votes. That's how it sounded when I read it honestly, for the second time too."

Who in their right mind would push a lynch through on all joke votes LOL This is reaching, you were exaggerating on how I reacted to the votes on me during a more jokey time in the game. I've already explained my reactions anyways, but this post of yours doesn't do good for your own explanations

No my read was because you were getting scared at the vote pileup, as scum often does more so than town. Guess I was right.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/?view=findpost&p=3510785

Can you explain WHAT was pinging you in those posts instead of just pointing them out? Again, why is Andrej a scum read?

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/?view=findpost&p=3510970

"Like I said, Im' trying to find new points in my rereads, so that I'm not just boring you guys with info you already know and just sheeping people who already did the work. And at the same time what I'm saying is someone probably thought Yates was mafia and tried to go for the hero kill and killed a town instead. I'm still agreeing that Yates killed Hallia, I don't see what so unbelivable about that. Is it so hard to belive that mafia just used one kill and killed Pral? Also, if there are 13 people starting, and mafia kill one person each night, and we lynch one person each night, and lets say for kicks we're wrong all 4 times, that puts us at 5 people left, 3 of which who are wolves, who now will win. I can see them only using 1 kill per night, and this night on Pral."

BOLD: Doubt. Who killed Yates then? Did you use your shot last night scum?

I'm assuming scum killed Yates because of this, it wouldn't make sense for scum to push the fact that they killed Yates.

Underlined: Do you really? Did you read my links then, because you found it pretty unbelievable before right now

I only believed it up until someone told me Yates said he was going to vig Hally, and I read Yates' casing on Hally.

Red: I don't know you tell me. I think you're worried you'll lose your shot today and that's why you want the lynch to go through on me. I know that I'm right on this.

Zander you still online?

My town reads are also still pretty much the same, I'm hoping thats because I had it right eventually and not because I'm tunneling, but Shad, Thane, Dice, and Zander so far. Tbh, BFG's null for me, don't get the town hype on her, but I'm still not done yet I guess, and Verbal I haven't seen a post on my read from yet, but its not looking great for him from what I've seen while I'm reading in the current posts. I'd say very very slight scum read so far with the potential to grow. Idk if his calling of my train seeming too easy was a scum jump off early, or just normal train analysis.

hahahahahahaha

hahaha

haha

No.

Wtf is this post, like I literally just made the softest FoS ever, and you reserve a single post just to laugh and say no? You realize other people think you're scummier than I do (past tense maybe now), yet its not like you reacted to any of them like this. I'm thinking scum's trying to push an easy lynch on me tomorrow, just because it probably takes minimal effort. Meanwhile Verbs getting touchy about slight pressure? Thinking the whole scum team is a little jumpy this game.

I feel like Rand should die first, here, and Laine should be vigged tonight.

You feel like the two biggest trains should die in a random order you made up with no reasoning. Thanks brah.

meh

[v]Rand[/v]

I have meetings all day, but I'll try to poke back in before noon to move if I need to for a lynch. Just not ready to hammer yet.

The not ready to hammer part makes sense, but this is so lazy... idk if he's played too much at JN, or he's stopped playing enough at JN.

fwiw Aj there is a wolf on the Rand Train...its Talya.

Or Verb imo.

Sort of hate that post/vote of his - but maybe he's being legit. A lurky Verb is a scummy one.

Ok good to see I'm not the only one surprised by his posts.

Scorsese was getting irratated with Goodell, he put Scorsese in charge of this movie because he believed in him. The movie itself wasn't close to being finished, and the attention Roger was drawing from the investigation, which had him as a suspect, only made things worse.
Scorsese came in the next day to find alannalynn lying there with bloodied footprints around the body.
Alannalynn

Roger Goodell, Wolf 1x Vigilante has been lunched!

Also my write ups are only flavor of course and if you try to say otherwise! I keel you!
Darthe reserves the right to change my Terrible scenes :)
I am also working on the other 3, I haven't forgotten you!

Hell yeah, definitely saying I told you so on this one considering everyone was hating on my read on her.

now, let's get Rand when night is over, shall we?

No love </3

Cool.

Lynch Rand then Verbal. If either flip town reassess.

Um... get ready to reassess? Small rant at end of post.

I'm kind of against vigging tonight. Bad shots outside of Rand and Verb could nullify the extra kills Laine's flip bought us and if one flips town I want time to rethink the other.

Wth? This doesn't seem like townie reasoning to me, especially when there's a claimed vig who's willing to take a town vote, essentially an extra lynch that we get. Why on earth would we not shoot? Its essentially like no lynching, which we already did once.

If someone wants to claim vig and shoot Rand be my guest. Let's keep it to that though.

Hey, I'm a vig!... wait

***official night action***

sleep well and wake

***official night action***

Ummm... forgive me if I read this wrong but why the hell are you claiming for no reason? Unless you already claimed before.

Laine spewed wolf!Rand like crazy in my Q&A. If that was all a set-up, well played, I'll take the bait.

Imo, forget everything she said, so much WIFOM there. From an outside POV, was she trying to push the easy lynch, or was she trying so hard to push it that people would get off my train Just base your votes on other people's interactions with her, not what she said when she was about to die.

Cool.

Lynch Rand then Verbal. If either flip town reassess.

Weirdly in sync with you right now.

Looks to me that wolves needed to eat each other today because town is towning too hard. Poor Verb was stuck voting his teammates lol

Rand should shoot Verb imo

Thought about saying this. Also thought about asking him to shoot himself.

Well screw you too Shad. Down for shooting Verb though, after that last series of posts, he's put himself up with, if not higher than my other scum reads (AJ, Talya)

would work...

Rand, you know what to do. Please confirm

K so I confirm I'm reading this, but so far I've only got 3 people (4 including me) who's fine with doing this, which still can be theoretically influenced heavily by mafia.

Would be hilarious.

Rand has Verb as a suspect - I agree Verb looks wolfy. Rand has claimed Vig and wants to vet himself. This is a good opportunity.

I agree good opportunity, especially since I suspect him too. Also quoted this to remind myself who else supported vigging Verbal.

FTR even if Rand does kill Verb and he flips wolf I would still lynch Rand.

More so for lulz that he'd cap his teammate to get cleared. Like I would enjoy that so so much

Aight, is there anyone here who even considers the fact that I might be town? Like I need some love guys.

FTR even if Rand does kill Verb and he flips wolf I would still lynch Rand.

More so for lulz that he'd cap his teammate to get cleared. Like I would enjoy that so so much

You think he would really do this? lol..Rand, please lynch your team mate so that we can lynch you too by lunch time tomorrow and we can celebrate with Pims on the lawn...

Yeah, and I realize that this is kinda a WIFOMy defense, but what scum in their right mind, who is about to get lynched, would go wait(the following is in scum perspective), let me FoS both my other teammates and try to get them lynched really hard so that if we do end up lynching both of my teammates, then I will be the only person left on my mafia team. Oh and I'm also the most suspected person. That sounds like a great plan. I mean its completely unnecessary, and even with the theory that I'm a maf with a kill, one kill is not worth crippling your entire team, especially in this setup.

Would be hilarious.

Rand has Verb as a suspect - I agree Verb looks wolfy. Rand has claimed Vig and wants to vet himself. This is a good opportunity.

I'm down for it since scum have limited NKs. Probably shouldn't shoot Rand tonight then.

It's pretty simple. If he shoots and he's town he's helping clear poe. Rand and Verbal v/v? Then we've got some DEEP wolves in this game. If he shoots and he's scum he's either wasting a scum vig on a mislynch candidate or he's killing his team mate. If Verbal doesn't die then Rand is confirmed wolf.

There's one reasons why Rand shoots and Verb doesn't die. Be ready for this scenario D3

hmmm, that would be interesting, we will just have Rand's word that he vigged him.

Umm, so there's only one reason knowing the setup why Verb won't die, and that's a doc save, and I think we can assume there's only one person, who if doc, would save Verbal... so if he doesn't die, at least FMPOV I'll know who he is. Here's hoping he's not.

K small rant time: half of you guys have supposedly "cleared" half of the people in this game, "Oh they're definitely town, it would take a miracle the likes of the Tennessee Titans winning the Superbowl (for those of you who don't watch football, that is the equivalent of an impossibility) for me to change my view". And you do that for half the town. It blows my mind that you guys aren't even considering that not all the scum are playing absolutely horribly and are popping right into your scum radar. There are going to be scum that are playing well and who are hiding amongst seemingly untouchable town ranks. Now I'm not saying that you shouldn't lynch those people who think you're scummy, but people are saying things like if both Verbal and Rand don't flip wolf (which is impossible FMPOV and still fairly unlikely from an outside POV) then its going to get hard/deep scum/we have to think. I mean, haven't you been thinking and searching for deep scum the whole game? And the worst part is after thinking like this, you come up with this scum list, and it takes a huge slip up or wrong post (like what Laine did with the weird claim, or now what Verb's doing with the incredibly short, weird, and bandwagony posts) to make you guys switch. Now not all of you are doing this, or maybe none of you and I'm reading this wrong, but just wanted to get this out there. Also, yeah, I fully realize that with my level of activity, I can't really get too mad at other people for this kind of stuff, but I am.

Shad_ · July 9, 2015

Sociopath was the correct word for it AJ.

RandA lThor · July 9, 2015

Sociopath was the correct word for it AJ.

for what?

Andrej · July 9, 2015

Sociopath was the correct word for it AJ.

Lol right

Shad_ · July 9, 2015

Hmm? It's nothing personal. I've been trying to reply to your last post, but I am not sure what exactly to say. I think that using your vig on Verb will be the best course of action, but that's for you to decide. Laine was not lynched for claiming vanilla town. Pages of assessment were compiled before the majority settled on lynching her.

Shad_ · July 9, 2015

You might even say Laine was a deep wolf, starting out. I town read her D1.

Andrej · July 9, 2015

Rand you're right on one thing. Only person who docs verb tonight is Verb - which is why I pointed this out so you two don't have a leg to stand on tomorrow when you claim to have shot him but he didn't die.

Basically it goes like this - you shoot Verb or get lynched. You're probably getting lynched anyway but it will be funny to watch the arguments for why you're both alive D4.

Sadly I probably won't be here to enjoy it :(

Also Rand - still trying to call me scum at this point is LOL worthy. Come on dude.

Andrej · July 9, 2015

In short unless Verb claims Doc and isn't CC'd you're both scum imo.

I'm just calling out the spin theory before it happens because I doubt you actually shoot him. You're already hedging because "not everyone agrees"

BFG · July 9, 2015

I'm happy for Rand to shoot Verb :tongue:

BFG · July 9, 2015

@Rand, in general hunting for the 'deep wolf' is why mafia have been winning the majority of games for the past year, so happy it's starting to change :) !

Talya · July 9, 2015

Scorsese was getting irratated with Goodell, he put Scorsese in charge of this movie because he believed in him. The movie itself wasn't close to being finished, and the attention Roger was drawing from the investigation, which had him as a suspect, only made things worse.

Scorsese came in the next day to find alannalynn lying there with bloodied footprints around the body.

Alannalynn

Roger Goodell, Wolf 1x Vigilante has been lunched!

Also my write ups are only flavor of course and if you try to say otherwise! I keel you!

Darthe reserves the right to change my Terrible scenes :)

I am also working on the other 3, I haven't forgotten you!

Hell yeah, definitely saying I told you so on this one considering everyone was hating on my read on her.

It wasn't that you were reading her Wolf, it was your reasoning and explanations on it

FTR even if Rand does kill Verb and he flips wolf I would still lynch Rand.

More so for lulz that he'd cap his teammate to get cleared. Like I would enjoy that so so much

You think he would really do this? lol..Rand, please lynch your team mate so that we can lynch you too by lunch time tomorrow and we can celebrate with Pims on the lawn...

Yeah, and I realize that this is kinda a WIFOMy defense, but what scum in their right mind, who is about to get lynched, would go wait(the following is in scum perspective), let me FoS both my other teammates and try to get them lynched really hard so that if we do end up lynching both of my teammates, then I will be the only person left on my mafia team. Oh and I'm also the most suspected person. That sounds like a great plan. I mean its completely unnecessary, and even with the theory that I'm a maf with a kill, one kill is not worth crippling your entire team, especially in this setup.

That was tongue in cheek...at AJ's suggestion :p

Would be hilarious.

Rand has Verb as a suspect - I agree Verb looks wolfy. Rand has claimed Vig and wants to vet himself. This is a good opportunity.

I'm down for it since scum have limited NKs. Probably shouldn't shoot Rand tonight then.

It's pretty simple. If he shoots and he's town he's helping clear poe. Rand and Verbal v/v? Then we've got some DEEP wolves in this game. If he shoots and he's scum he's either wasting a scum vig on a mislynch candidate or he's killing his team mate. If Verbal doesn't die then Rand is confirmed wolf.

There's one reasons why Rand shoots and Verb doesn't die. Be ready for this scenario D3

hmmm, that would be interesting, we will just have Rand's word that he vigged him.

Umm, so there's only one reason knowing the setup why Verb won't die, and that's a doc save, and I think we can assume there's only one person, who if doc, would save Verbal... so if he doesn't die, at least FMPOV I'll know who he is. Here's hoping he's not. That was the point of that comment I made and what AJ was getting at, that if Verb doesn't die another explanation is that his is doc.

I cut this down, but you really should read with a clearer mind and see that what you answered were what people were saying in the first place.

As for Deep wolfing, yeah, there might be one, they may also be where we are looking at. But we also have to go where we feel someone is off their game, like Alanna. sometimes it is obvious. But we have to eliminate those doubts and those we think are wolves, by one means or another and not just killing. But ranting away like that doesn't help solve the game. If you are town, then help us see that by acting like town and not going off in a tantrum!

Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

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