Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[alannalynn]

 

 

 

Official Vote Count 13:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Hally (2/7) Thane, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Rand (5/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj, Hally, Yates

 

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine,

Speaking of which, if Rand is a wolf, there's probably one wolf on his train (bussing). If he's town, there's more than one wolf here potentially. Being that we know Hally/Yates, that brings Shad, AJ, Talya into the light. Although, the fact that he didn't get lynched yesterday also lends to the possibility of him being mafia. I like the info gained here, as opposed to my lynch, obviously.

I don't like this post. It sounds like you're saying if Rand flips scum we should suss everybody.

 

Why would a wolf bus Rand D1 when there weren't enough town voting him to secure the lynch? Just doesn't seem practical. They should have been pushing Hallia, no? And then you say he might have survived BECAUSE he is scum, which is what I'm thinking, but these thoughts are not compatible. (Should check who was pushing Hallia besides Pral and Yates if things go bad.)

 

I would have been more willing to humor a switch to Rand first if he hadn't claimed vig, and judging by Rand's approach to this game I could see him making a claim without consulting wolf QT first. /shrug

Underlined: No, I'm doing what I should have been doing from the start and looking at options.

 

Since when is it not likely for scum to bus a teammate, especially one that ended up at L2? Sure they might have been pushing the Hally lynch too, and plenty of us could have voted to secure that lynch on Rand but didn't do it. It's not like they have the foresight to know the lynch isn't going to go through. I don't see see those thoughts being incompatible, personally.  

 

 

Then get it right and vote Rand, I don't know how much simpler I can say it. HE HAS A SHOT. HE IS MAFIA AND HAS A SHOT. LYNCH HIM.

What makes you think he has a shot?

Because he missed night? When did he put in a shot?

 

Ftr, Shad not reading my posts, I know I'm probably getting lynched, but damn.

 

For Talya:

Shad, Andrej, and Zander are my top reads. There is no way that they're flipping wolf. Ever.

 

Rand at the bottom: 100% chance he flips wolf. If we don't lynch him, they'll get another kill in. Confirmed he has a shot, confirmed I don't have a shot

 

That leaves BFG, Talya, Verbal, Thane, Dice. Right now they're in that order because that's how I had them before.

 

POE says that Dice and Thane are scum, but I'm thinking we have some towny wolves and a lot of gray area.

 

Honestly I almost want to scrap my reads and start over to make this right but I'd have to live to do that. Ugh.

If I were to name a deep wolf, it'd be Talya or BFG (Zander will be happy )

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

Then get it right and vote Rand, I don't know how much simpler I can say it. HE HAS A SHOT. HE IS MAFIA AND HAS A SHOT. LYNCH HIM.

What makes you think he has a shot?

As scum that is. If town he has a shot of course.

If she was wolf with him and he didn't have one and she did? so pushing his train?

Yeah what's making it all weird from that angle though is he put her at L-1 and claimed vig, but that's kind of WIFOM I guess.

 

Anyway I'd like to hear Laine explain why she thinks a scum Rand has a shot because I don't see where she gets to that. I personally think there's only a 33% chance he has one left if scum.

 

And I reeeeally have to take off, running behind now. I don't think we should switch to Rand.

[alannalynn]

Why else would Rand claim Vig instead of VT if he wasn't planning to prove he has it?

[Shad_]

Quick reply Laine what makes you so sure he missed night? Because he said so? He wasn't logged in but posted as soon as N1 ended asking about the deadline.

 

And AJ Talya and I all voted Rand around the same time. There was momentum. It wasn't like someone tucked away an early vote on a team mate and then got stuck on a train later. I don't think it's ever practical for scum to TRY to get a team mate lynched D1, especially with no NKs. It's not like it mod clears them.

[Shad_]

Why else would Rand claim Vig instead of VT if he wasn't planning to prove he has it?

There are 3 scum. 2 of them prob have shots. If he's scum he doesn't have to personally possess the shot to make good on a fake vig claim. Maybe he just wants to ensure that a town!Laine dies with him and the claim encourages us to lynch you first, hmm?

[Shad_]

Why else would Rand claim Vig instead of VT if he wasn't planning to prove he has it?

There are 3 scum. 2 of them prob have shots. If he's scum he doesn't have to personally possess the shot to make good on a fake vig claim. Maybe he just wants to ensure that a town!Laine dies with him and the claim encourages us to lynch you first, hmm?

[alannalynn]

Quick reply Laine what makes you so sure he missed night? Because he said so? He wasn't logged in but posted as soon as N1 ended asking about the deadline.

 

And AJ Talya and I all voted Rand around the same time. There was momentum. It wasn't like someone tucked away an early vote on a team mate and then got stuck on a train later. I don't think it's ever practical for scum to TRY to get a team mate lynched D1, especially with no NKs. It's not like it mod clears them.

He's missed so many other things in the thread (lol), I'm sure he was being honest about missing night. Besides, he claims he has a vig shot and wants to prove it. Can't do that if he's dead. If he's mafia he could have claimed Vt if he'd already used his shot.

 

You never know what scum will do for a teammate, though. Really just depends on the team I guess.

[Talya]

Why else would Rand claim Vig instead of VT if he wasn't planning to prove he has it?

 

I think he said he was wanting to prove it. I'm not a fan of getting vigs to prove themselves, it's a quick way to lost townies, because you don't know who is leading on the target to vig. I'm not sure f he was mafia he would do this, doesn't come across as the most apt at trying that.

[alannalynn]

 

Why else would Rand claim Vig instead of VT if he wasn't planning to prove he has it?

There are 3 scum. 2 of them prob have shots. If he's scum he doesn't have to personally possess the shot to make good on a fake vig claim. Maybe he just wants to ensure that a town!Laine dies with him and the claim encourages us to lynch you first, hmm?

 

See? Now you're being logical.

[alannalynn]

 

 

Why else would Rand claim Vig instead of VT if he wasn't planning to prove he has it?

There are 3 scum. 2 of them prob have shots. If he's scum he doesn't have to personally possess the shot to make good on a fake vig claim. Maybe he just wants to ensure that a town!Laine dies with him and the claim encourages us to lynch you first, hmm?

 

See? Now you're being logical.

Seriously though, I can't explain any better, but I'm sure he has a shot and that's why he's pushing the lynch on me. He is the way we should be voting right now

[alannalynn]

 

Why else would Rand claim Vig instead of VT if he wasn't planning to prove he has it?

 

I think he said he was wanting to prove it. I'm not a fan of getting vigs to prove themselves, it's a quick way to lost townies, because you don't know who is leading on the target to vig. I'm not sure f he was mafia he would do this, doesn't come across as the most apt at trying that.

 

Yeah because he can be all talk and then kill whoever he wants and we just let a wolf get in an extra kill. How is this +EV?

[Verbal32]

 

My town reads are also still pretty much the same, I'm hoping thats because I had it right eventually and not because I'm tunneling, but Shad, Thane, Dice, and Zander so far.  Tbh, BFG's null for me, don't get the town hype on her, but I'm still not done yet I guess, and Verbal I haven't seen a post on my read from yet, but its not looking great for him from what I've seen while I'm reading in the current posts.  I'd say very very slight scum read so far with the potential to grow.  Idk if his calling of my train seeming too easy was a scum jump off early, or just normal train analysis.

 

 

hahahahahahaha

 

hahaha

 

haha

 

 

 

No.

[Verbal32]

I feel like Rand should die first, here, and Laine should be vigged tonight.

[Verbal32]

meh

 

 

[v]Rand[/v]

 

 

I have meetings all day, but I'll try to poke back in before noon to move if I need to for a lynch.  Just not ready to hammer yet.

[seph]

Official Vote Count 16:

 

Laine (5/6): Dice, Tayla, Shad, Thane, Rand

Rand (4/6)  Aj, Alanna, Zander, Verb

 

Not Voting (1/10):

BFG

[Zander?]

im getting caught up.  quick question.  anyone have any Alanna wolf meta?

[Shad_]

im getting caught up.  quick question.  anyone have any Alanna wolf meta?

 

AJ has scummed with her before.  Or if you mean in this game, I can pull up the posts.  I looked at her approach to Rand, and AJ found other things, especially with her thoughts on Pral's death.

[Shad_]

Might not have time to pull them up, popping in and out of thread when I can but kind of busy, you can ISO me and AJ and should find plenty of study on her behavior in this game.

[alannalynn]

I feel like Rand should die first, here, and Laine should be vigged tonight.

I agree on the first part, not so much on the second.

I think when Rand flips wolf, hopefully people will be thinking differently. I am town in this situation, wasting a vig shot on me will hurt the town

 

im getting caught up.  quick question.  anyone have any Alanna wolf meta?

The only current meta I have is Middle Earth, but that was my first game back and it had two teams. Before that I was mafia in Merlin in 2013.

 

@Shad I wouldn't say Andrej knows my meta because that was one game. This game doesn't count as wolf meta because I'm not a wolf. I don't even think you're giving me a chance here

[Shad_]

Some AJ posts with thoughts on Laine:

 

 

 

Kind of sketched out by Laine's posts on pg 54 but maybe I'm just being paranoid.

 

At this point there's 3 wolves in 10 players. Take yourself out and you get 9, 1/3 of those are wolves.

 

Clear some town reads and post your POE pool imo and I think we'll have a pretty clear direction to move in for toDay.

 

 

 

 

 

Eh? Where is there any aggression. This is stretching so much I don't really know what to say, but it makes you look worse. You have been asked many times throughout day one for your thought processes and you didn't give any. Now it is night and this what you come up with this.

 

Have to agree with Talya here, Zander. The stuff you pulled as evidence in this post doesn't really do much to sway me tbh.

 

 

See, yates "cares" about everyone holding their vig shots until he doesn't

 

6/10 would switch to him still.

 

Maybe we'll just BOTH hero shot each other!

DO IT FOR NARNIA

 

Hally going all LOL here. What's the point of this?

 

You're cutting and splicing quotes of mine that had context before and after them, not including those.  Great way to take things out of context to make them seem scummy

Unvote

Vote: Yates

I'll be sticking here.

Don't like.

 

FROZEN?!?!?!

I spit out my drink.

 

Hally/Zander/Yates interaction interesting. I think Hallia's pushing back was a good town reaction and I don't see how anyone is still scum reading her.

@@Yates and AJ does this move Hally up the list for you, why/why not?

 

 

This one sort of bugs me because I don't understand the (seemingly) disconnect between the stuff she quotes from Hallia that she states she doesn't like but town reads her for how she's reacting to Yates?

 

 

Generally a pretty well thought out post imo. Though, I am a little weirded out because I don't think you've ever town read me as town

 

Should I be worried?

 

Actually, I usually have you as town on D1. It is D2 onwards when I start tinfoiling on you. Been a long time since I have played with you where you were scum. So, let's see :)

 

 

 

RIP

 

Also, placemark this post because I'm gonna grab up Pral's reads list. He has a knack for being pretty accurate on D1 as a villager (I've seen him get NK'd early on for having such good reads) so I would suggest people give them some weight if no one wants to come forward and claim the shot on him.

 

Im a happy camper at the mo cause im pretty sure I have my Town boys in the house. AJ and Yates if you dont know who im talking about.

 

Scum   I still dont like LAine. It was the tone of her response to me compared to how she had responded to others, then there was a bit where she was trying to lay the blame on me. Also not feeling Hally. Much more aggressive and im not liking what shes put out on thane

 

Looks like it's up to us to avenge Yates. What are some of your other reads besides me/Laine and I presume Thane (as town based on what I snipped from this post) ?

 

@ Dice: really wish you wouldn't, I don't know what to say to make you think I'm town at this point and I feel like you're going to tunnel me from here on out, so I'm sorry if it seemed I snapped back at you, I was annoyed at your entrance: it was really out of place at that point in the game. The tone was different because their votes were at a certain stage and yours was at an entirely different one. I'm just letting you know how I saw it, but you're calling it placing blame on you; I don't get where you're getting at with that?

 

Don't really like the bolded section here. Reads to me like Laine is no longer considering Dice a suspect? I don't remember this read coming about and would like to hear her explain it.

 

^ shot, not NKed

 

Sort of a weird correction here imo, not sure why you felt the need to fix it.

 

If I had to guess I'd say there are two hero shots in there and scum still have 3 nks.

 

Could be. There's only one person I could really see shooting Pral as a villager and he's already denied it. Also I remember Yates hinting at Hallia needing two bullets to kill him so perhaps the wolves took that as a Doc hint. No way to tell for now - but here's to hoping they wasted two on him.

 

so, Yates will do no explaining, Zander.... 

 

All the Town Vig shots are 1X only, if i remember *checks setup*... yes.. ok.

 

So, after having shot, the town vigs basically are VT... 

 

i'd suggest that the 2 'hero shots', if there were two, or 3... no idea, would not reveal that they have shot. That way, the wolves do not know who still has a Vig shot left (if so). Having said that, i AM curious as too who has shot, but that can wait. 

 

*inhales; exhales*

 

The long re-read would begin to tie some knots. I honestly feel sorry for Pral, not even having played properly in the game.

 

I don't think calling shots after the fact is such a bad idea, tbh. Sure - it outs those players as essentially VTs but more importantly it tightens the POE pool and now wolves have to decide whether to PR hunt or waste a shot on a ~cleared townie who is now vanilla.

 

Yates said he would kill Hallia but planned to holster.  I'm guessing he did kill Hallia.  Yates makes sense as a scum NK--he only ever made one post that had me suspicious of him and that came at the very end of the night phase.  Pralaya is odd.  Claiming the shot in this situation doesn't seem like a bad thing to me because if scum have 3 shots left and we mislynch or someone heroes bad tonight they could theoretically win N2.

 

I agree with the bolded stuff. Yates was getting town read by most and there was the fact he made that Doc hint - so he was a Prime Time NK target.

 

Underlined: Doesn't seem we'll be getting that claim at this point, unfortunately.

 

Sorry guys, forgot how much activity this requires, I'll try to step it up, when's deadline?

 

 

Just... really?

 

Pre-rereading everything my gut right now feels the most comfortable with you, AJ, and Talya.  (Funny, that.)  I've got a lot of homework to do....

 

My top 3 are pretty much the same at this point. Feel really solid with you, Zander and Talya as town.

 

Next up probably Dice/Thane

 

BFG/Verb

 

Laine/Rand

 

@Dice, Any new reads? Other than AJ/Laine?

 

Why are you asking Dice specifically here?

 

I'd bet 2 wolves in the oranges based on wagonomics.  Wolves tend to bury votes on each other D1, or at least bury their vote on a meaningless or impossible lynch.  If I had to choose who to lynch D2 based ONLY on this quote, I'd lynch Rand.  He had a meaningless vote on D1, and in what I've read of him in my catchup, I see multiple FoSes and "intent to vote"-type posts, but I see his vote remained on me.....which was useless.  Add to that his lynch did not go through.  Wolves tend to easily nudge D1 mislynches through, but to have this stall (I don't know yet if there were other reasons for this, btw) makes me think the village might have had a wolf in their sights.

 

More to come on this theory.

 

If you had to pick two - who?

 

Also - Rand did at least attempt to change his vote to Laine after some casing of her, but the way you describe it still fits. Laine wasn't at all on the table for a D1 lynch imo so it was still basically wasted.

 

I also agree on the note that his lynch not going through is troubling. We had 3 players not voting at all EOD and a bunch of others spread out. Wagonomics for me says that if Rand flips wolf I'm finding his partners in the off wagons/not voting section.

 

I'm feeling good about AJ and Talya right now.  Thinking that Rand train was pure.  If Rand's town it would have only taken 1 of 3 scum voting him to put him at L-1, and Zander was the only one with a town lean on him iirc, so it's not like scum would have had to contradict themselves to vote him.

 

Very good point. Underlined is a good thing to check back on once we have Rand confirmed - who was scum/null reading him but not voting?

 

As far as Pral as a scum kill, only thing coming to mind is he was determined to remove Thane from the poe.  His death creates wifom on that.  But that's a pretty weak reason for scum to kill him considering their other options.

 

Thane said something earlier that he would be most suspicious of those pushing him or strongly town reading him D1. So Thane as a villager with a gun shooting Pral makes sense, although he's not claiming it. So if it wasn't him then probably a wolf NK.

 

[Shad_]

continued (sorry spoiler tag messup in last post)

 

 

 

 

im thinking on keeping Rand on my town lean after his post. really felt honest to me and he makes good points. not clearing him yet or anything but looking good thus far imo.

What points did you like?

 

That null on Yates came on page 9 iirc. So yeah, Zander, I think you're going overboard. You might have something real on Talya that I'm not seeing, but you're reaching too far and it makes it look like you're grasping at air. The above quote actually makes Talya look pretty good.

 

This isn't like SW where everyone was straight up ignoring you. I've read through Talya's posts a couple times now and I'm honestly not seeing it. So you're going to have to show me, and what I just quoted is sort of showing the opposite.

I agree with Shad here. Talya adding the context to her read does make her progression look pretty smooth and she does have a point that her early read was based on actual content versus tone, which is what you're backing yours with.

 

Shad you have more insight than me most of the time haha I don't remember anyone being suspicious of him, so unsure about a hero shot in that respect, but I'd have to go back to make sure. Simplest solution is that mafia killed him too, but I don't know why. It's wifom to look at who he was targeting because mafia would kill anyone; If I were mafia I'd kill Zander or Andrej, not Pral just because they have more sway with the town.

Disagree with the bolded.

 

Strongly dislike the underlined.

 

Maybe the intention was to throw us off, or they thought he'd be a difficult lynch? Another possibility is that the obvious targets are not a threat right now. I'm very sure about Andrej being town, still really good on Zander though his Talya tunnel is extreme, and I know I'm town. I need a little bit more from Verbal to be sure there as well.

NK spec is always a little scummy to me on the merit that scum can talk about it in a misleading way. The part you say about the obvious targets not being a threat doesn't really align with what you said previously about Pral's reads not being worth looking into. If you/me/Zander weren't killed because we're not threats (and I assume this means on the right track) then wouldn't it make more sense to look at Pral's reads? Or at least consider them?

 

Verbal looking to run for town council up in here. Not mayor, though - I'm voting Shad for mayor. I'll cry real tears if my village reads are off this game. Real tears.

If you're actually a villager this should get pretty easy. I hope so, fwiw :)

 

Maybe I'l try it this way. In the other games like SW and ME everyone at some point starting reading Talya as Maf or into a PoE this game no one but me is. Those other games she a little more all over the place this game very concise like she KNOWS who is who, Like she has to putting EVEN more effort and thought into what she says and does to leave little to no space for error. Town!Talya is a little more... carefree maybe the word im looking for. I hope my explanation makes sense. My gut is telling me somethings up here and so Im following it.

Fwiw this is the best explanation you have provided all game.

 

BFG, why did you find it important to provide this much information on Talya in response to Zander's initial "something about her pings me" comment?

This could be as simple as BFG noticing a discrepancy in Zander's reads that he didn't show progression on and she is spot checking him. The w/w theory seems a little premature but something to be kept in mind I guess if one does turn up red.

 

Still need to reread, but I need someone to give me Shad_'s personality, not as a mafia player but just in general if that makes sense? As a mafia player too I guess, that's important

What's the point of this question if you aren't going to apply some sort of context or explanation as to why you're asking it? If you were trying to make a point I would've preferred you stated what you're seeing and then allow us to evaluate that and compare it to what we know about him. Otherwise it looks to me you're just reiterating the fact you need to reread and asking questions that don't measure up to anything.

 

Verdict: BFG's progressions are smooth as ice and she's really doing her homework. Little things like town reading Talya without asking her questions first when she pressed others to get early reads. A big thing in not voting Rand. But all-in-all, if BFG is wolf she's pretty impressive. I've never seen a wolf maintain this level of consistency, conform so many reads to responses, and put in this much work. Is scum!BFG this good? Someone in this game ought to know. I have a feeling my strong town read out the gate is going to hold up. The things that bug me do not trump the many, many things that do not here. If I went into this much detail on anyone I would find a couple issues.

 

So yeah, tell me scum BFG is really great at pretending to hunt wolves and evolve fake reads organically, preferably with a game example, or I'll be happy to put the breaks on her slide down from my town pile.

I like the depth you went in for this analysis. My honest take on it? Don't underestimate her - she's a smart cookie. Sadly that's about as good of advice as I can give, we haven't played together in quite a while and she's fooled me before in the past.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kind of sketched out by Laine's posts on pg 54 but maybe I'm just being paranoid.

 

At this point there's 3 wolves in 10 players. Take yourself out and you get 9, 1/3 of those are wolves.

 

Clear some town reads and post your POE pool imo and I think we'll have a pretty clear direction to move in for toDay.

Was it the "if I were mafia" comment? I got blasted so hard for those in my first game. Learned kind of quick to not word things that way regardless of what I'm thinking. <_<

 

Not just that. I get weird vibes reading what she has to say regarding Pral's death - NK spec is always WIFOM inducing but it's still worth considering in the very least. I didn't like how she wants to dismiss Pral's reads but also thinks it's worth noting that others weren't killed because they aren't threats. I'm assuming by that she meant threats in the sense of being correct in their reads - which also happens to be a plausible defense for wolves when they survive a good majority of the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is the post some people are using to make Thane look scummy? This is town Thane if anything.

 

As far as I remember, Thane is less defensive when scummy and when he is scum, he tries to forcefully pick small things when he voting others. He often looks forced and deliberately picky when he is scum. A defensive Thane is town and that is what I am seeing here.

 

On the top, I would believe Hallia would know Thane very well and her voting Thane this game looks to be exploiting a weak link. Not getting good vibes from her.

Same with Alanna. Here flip-flopping on Thane looks forced and trying hard to town-tell.

 

AJ is town telling like crazy here. As I read through the game, I had similar thoughts as AJ.

 

Looks like Yates is town too. His gambit and analysing the responses is typical town Yates. I don't necessarily accept his reasoning though.

 

Have no idea how Shad, Zander and Talya play. Need to watch out more.

 

Liking BFG too. Here responses are straightforward but this post was kinda off. Looks like a subtle effort in trying to put the focus on Thane.

 

Verbal, Rand and Dice are null. Although Dice and Rand posted, I don't see anything from their posts (Actually, to be honest, I skipped Rand's long WoT .. too much to read when you are reading 28 pages at a stretch !)

 

Gut feel, one or both of Hallia and Alanna are scum.

The main problem I have with Alanna is the way she is constantly FoSing Thane, yet proclaiming him null and unable to read him completely. On the other hand, she does not show this hesitance for other people. I found that flip-flopping a bit inorganic.

 

For example, This is where she starts saying Thane pings a little and feels sad to vote him after SW game. The one more post FoSing Thane and not liking his post. More "light FOS" here

 

Then, the next day, she has him on null and wants to "read him better". I found this a bit weird especially after her posts FoSing him a couple of times. Agreed she said that she found some of Thane's posts good .. but I don't know what she is referring to.

 

And then, suddenly he is scummish because of his responses to Hallia. This is the bit that is jarring to me.

 

 

Shad you have more insight than me most of the time haha I don't remember anyone being suspicious of him, so unsure about a hero shot in that respect, but I'd have to go back to make sure. Simplest solution is that mafia killed him too, but I don't know why. It's wifom to look at who he was targeting because mafia would kill anyone; If I were mafia I'd kill Zander or Andrej, not Pral just because they have more sway with the town.

 

 

 

[Shad_]

 

I feel like Rand should die first, here, and Laine should be vigged tonight.

I agree on the first part, not so much on the second.

I think when Rand flips wolf, hopefully people will be thinking differently. I am town in this situation, wasting a vig shot on me will hurt the town

 

im getting caught up.  quick question.  anyone have any Alanna wolf meta?

The only current meta I have is Middle Earth, but that was my first game back and it had two teams. Before that I was mafia in Merlin in 2013.

 

@Shad I wouldn't say Andrej knows my meta because that was one game. This game doesn't count as wolf meta because I'm not a wolf. I don't even think you're giving me a chance here

 

I'm responding to your posts and asking questions. When I am not fully satisfied with the answer I point out why and ask more--even answered one myself in a way that doesn't look terrible for you.

 

So here's a question.  You don't think you should be vigged tonight because wasted shot.  Ok.  Do you think you should be lynched tomorrow for information?  I mean, aside from the obv "no because I'm town" response and excluding the possibility that someone else slips, do you think your lynch would be informative?  Do you have a better option in mind?

 

I assume you are pretty confident that Rand flips wolf.  This makes sense if you are town.  You humored v/v once but I see that in context that might have been a humoring of Rand's thoughts, not your own opinion.  Does Rand flipping scum clear you in your opinion, and if so why?

[Shad_]

And be cool.  You answered some of this in part before.  I don't want you to get all frazzled because town can start contradicting themselves under pressure too.  I'm trying to dig as hard as I can here, not force you to make a slip that either alignment might be equally likely to commit.

[Shad_]

btw I thought about asking AJ more about you in ME but opted not to.  I think if anything related to that made you obvious town or scum here he would have volunteered it.  I was just answering Zander.

[Zander?]

Im not sure what I make of Alanna's claim and her AtE towards me.  I thought she was hinting at being the Doc and not knowing who the Doc is.  That means you vigged at someone who was self protected and that you DIDNT think was a town read. and i think ive seen some trails as to who the Doc may be and if so I dont know how youd have any reason to shoot there as town imo.

 

Alanna we DO have a lot of good towning together but Im not feeling it as much here.  The only reason your still alive atp is the fact of the suspect on Rand looking bad.

 

Wanting to get a general consensus on this cause its NOT gonna be a No Lynch.

 

Ill ask you to touch on my thoughts and Ill read your answers to others questions as well.