[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

[Aiel Heart]

Just occurred to me that I've been skimming rather than reading the last 20 pages so I'm going to take a break to pack and drive to my grandma's. Will be back this evening--probably won't do my next mega post until day hits. 

[Andrej]

Still chugging along!

 

Up through pg 60 - it's taking me a bit longer today because I'm on dad duty but the progress is steady.

 

 

 

 

 

I think that is a big problem I have darthe, I say what comes to my mind, and generally don't have a objective besides trying to find the wolves; I thought that was the only one I needed.... usually if I think someone is a wolf I try to pressure them, and build a case. that could be why no one listens to them. I just don't really understand how to hunt per say, I have some advice tress gave me, and information from the web I use but I am generally lost day until I can have a chance to iso and try to put people together, and look for inconsistencies.
I honestly don't know what other objective I should have, I tried to have a objective last game to use my role in a beneficial way and I pretty much wasted it, and well you know how the rest turned out.

 

Sure you can say that but it's all very abstract and theoretical in those terms.

 

Allow me to show you what I mean.  I started with nothing in this game but my own role PM.  This told me I was town, immediately informing me that my goal is to find wolves.  Well... I suck at finding wolves.  I know this, it'll take me a while or take someone making a decently obvious error for me to find one.  So I immediately started taking things that I did know, people I had played with before, mechanical knowledge, what generally informs peoples actions that I've picked up on over time, and applying it to the thread.  I noticed that in the first ten posts Sili posted four times.  Last game I was a wolf with Sili and he told me that he has a very hard time posting as a wolf and that he was giving his best effort.  I recognized this as true and realized that Sili posting that many times that quickly was a good sign for him so I kept track of it to see if his interest in figuring out the game or activity level slacked off.  They didn't.  Thus I feel confident beyond randomness that Sili is town.

 

You see that?  I had an objective, I used things I have learned and discerned to inform my interpretation of plays and then it got me a step closer to completing my objective of figuring out Sili's alignment.  Sometimes I do this with things like figuring out how many wolves are in a game, how people would have responded retroactively if they were attempting to manipulate events, who has what role, many many things.  It helps to have a lot of experience but at its core all you need is logic and care.

 

Save this discussion for post game imo. This isn't scum hunting - this is talking like a villager to make yourself look good.

 

 

2.) Activity is not indicative of alignment, only of real life. I had this problem the beginning of last game too

 

What every scum ever says.

 

You would know

 

The answer to the above question was that Seph had not posted between Dice dropping his vote on Seph's claimed N0 peek and AJ calling Dice a villager for that vote. (I am assuming it was for the manner in which he voted and not the vote itself. AJ?)

 

Correct.

 

I do eat my victims at times.

 

lol'd at this, was unexpected but in a good way.

 

 

I don't think Seph would do all this awkward nonsense about covering as a wolf. It's just too stupid. I don't like his posts though, might just be the formatting, but I have a really hard timing reading and making sense of them.

 

I feel like Seph's rather aggressive defensiveness isn't inherently indicative, but from what I remember he's defending his skills as town, not his alignment.  That people think he might not be town doesn't seem to be much on his mind.  I don't feel like he's hiding anything.

 

AH is a totally blind shot.  I am pretty convinced her post count would be this low regardless of alignment, and I fail to derive any of the issues others have pulled out of her initial posts.  I think she's a wasted lynch unless we really have no candidates who seem more than 25% scummy.  Even if we beat the odds on her, a wolf flip tells us nothing because she really hasn't interacted with anyone yet.

 

I don't want to see either of them lynched tomorrow.  D2, that's a new game.  But it's getting close to kill time and I would really like to see a more viable candidate enter the discussion. 

 

Another pretty solid post from Shad. I like how I saw him around this stage pushing for opinions on these slots from the players lauding them as scummy.

 

 

Turin should i bother to post if you are just gonna twist my meaning to fit your argument?

 

Its really simple. You and Darthe are one slot. You claimed Darthe is a wolf. Therefore you claimed Mafia. Therefore I vote you and want you lynched.

 

Most people look at your post and see a joke. I didn't. I looked at it and I see a gambit. A gambit I have seen before and called before and been right on before. People there didnt believe me either. Then i think would this slot pull a gambit? the answer is yes.

 

My logic is NOT based on how hard it is to lynch you or Darthe. It is based on you claiming Darthe a Wolf.    As for how hard it is to lynch you two? THAT is a realization that i am not going to get you lynched on my own. That people are going to believe you over me.

 

I kinda love the simplicity of Dice sometimes.

 

Townie clump

Salami

Sili

Laine

Sooh

Dice

Eldrick

NotBob

ThaneBalls32

 

Null clump

Yates

Talya

Shad

Zander

Maw

Durin

Wombocombo

 

Scummy clump

Seph

Aiel <3

 

 

I need to read through my nulls in ISO. I should be able to get to it this afternoon, definitely before deadline. I am going out to dinner tonight, so I won't be around for deadline. I'll be shutting my phone off at 6:30 and probably won't be home until about 11 EDT. 

 

Quoting this for reference later - idk if Leelou ever actually got around to posting said ISOs but it'll be important to note who she talks about and how she moves them.

 

@Alanna - not sure what you mean by the comment I made about you and Zander...you were quoting Soohs post.

Lunching - y is next to u typo and lunching is a word lol

@ Dice - rather than go over the Turin peek, if you think Durin is wolf find what supports that rather than just focusing on that... At least that's how it seems to me

Zander - Your posts sound so polite and careful I'm struggling to see it not being forced. Your response to me was a lot more natural if snarky, but right after there was an apology. It feels like you don't want people to be upset with you. Just trying a little to hard at times.

 

@ Zander - there s nothing wrong with polite. Just feels different from the other games I've been in with you. I'll need to go and check

@ Alanna - off the top of my head I can't remember, will look at this when I get home.

 

If you had added the second bolded part in with the first quote I probably wouldn't have looked sideways at this post the first time I read it. Even so - not a very strong point imo. Considering the volume Zander has I think you'd have something more concrete to say than him being cordial is concerning.

 

Andrej: I don't think I've ever seen Andrej this quiet. I was right that all he has is attacking Seph at the start of this game. His last post was on page 21.

Wombat: Nothing much of note until he take up pushing for Seph's scum leans

Read through Durin as well, and I really like Turin's posts over all, he's concise and makes sense. Darthe is still weird.

Question: likelihood that one of the hydras is on the scum team?

Durin
Wombrej
Verbane

??

 

Stop while you're still ahead here, Mynd

 

We've been in one game together, ftr, but no - typically I'm not a quiet player as ANY alignment. People saying otherwise are either incorrect or intentionally mischaracterizing my meta. I don't hide as a wolf and I play out front as a villager most of the time. One thing I pride myself on is actually PLAYING the game regardless of the hand I've been dealt by the random gods.

 

@ Sooh - thanks for the boy on Zander, I was going to check the other threads to see what he was like. He is s prolific payer here so that's why it might stand out.

@ Sooh again - I don't like the idea of just lunching someone just because you just don't want someone that may oray mot be around. This isn't smells wolfie to me. There was a feel of wanting an easy lynch on someone.

@ Alanna - I'm also a bit suspicious of AJ disappearing, I didn't like how tunnelling he was on Seph, I need to go over Womby's post tonight. Because he is coming across better

 

Sooh pretty obviously wasn't saying this - but your spin on it is worth noting and is another point that I will add to the growing number of ones I dislike by you.

 

Also - way to echo the disappearing angle as if it means anything.

 

Heart train is crap and people pushing it should feel like crap.

 

<3 my hyrda

 

I think you reigned AJ in too much. Has he even been around in your QT? 

 

Thought this was worth noting too. Notice how two people prior to this have mentioned me and being concerned with my lack of involvement?

 

Here Leelou is also beginning to latch onto it.

 

AJ wolf or traumatized or both.

Wombat villagery... Juat mildly. What does it equal to?

@Lee, do you like them?

 

 

Not really. They are in my pile to look at closer today. I don't really like that AJ hasn't been around much and Wombat has been doing most of the talking. 

 

Wish I had been around to see this when she posted it. How is this indicative of anything at all? The point of a hydra is that both players don't really need to play full time, all the time.

 

Wolves trying to latch onto easy leads lol

 

 

 

Might have time to reread wh3n i get home. Yayz.

Who are we eating again?

 

Are you going to help #solve or just #rideyourclaim all game? 

 

Have you met Salami?  He is gonna ride the **** outta that claim.

 

I laughed at this.

 

I love levity inside Mafia games

 

ok , I only answered part of the post in what I was talking about. I was doing it because I have wanted to do a n0 peek. I don't see how it is hurting the town since it got discussion moving forward.

 

Smh. Please, in the future... just don't.

 

I see several more negative than positive results thus far based around your actions. Not ALL discussion is positive, especially when the topic involves you being scummy if you're a villager.

 

 

 

AJ wolf or traumatized or both.

Wombat villagery... Juat mildly. What does it equal to?

@Lee, do you like them?

That would equal slight scum lean, if Aj is wolf and Womby mildy villager.

Why would he be traumatized?

 

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

 

 

[Darthe]

It seemed warranted to me to have the best equipped most informed player during the game rather than after AJ. I think seph looks okay atm fwiw

[Hallia]

 

Hey.  Whoa guys.  Let's calm it down in here, eh?

 

Without Selphie you are a brand new person.

 

 

I know, I don't know how to feel right now

 

[Andrej]

It seemed warranted to me to have the best equipped most informed player during the game rather than after AJ. I think seph looks okay atm fwiw

 

That's fine. My point is that having that discussion during the game isn't really progressing it and it sort of makes you look ~bad because it's not finding scum so to speak.

 

Feel free to continue coaching ITT tho, that's just my 2c on it.

 

Bold: Okay would be accurate. I haven't gotten that far yet but if Shad's analysis of the wagon is correct that is pretty good for Seph - there's also the early bit I picked up on where Leelou has him as WTL along with her other LHF scumspects.

[Andrej]

Hey Darthe - I found a post on pg 70 that is probably good for your alignment.

 

Just thought I'd let you know.

[Darthe]

Hey Darthe - I found a post on pg 70 that is probably good for your alignment.

 

Just thought I'd let you know.

I wasnt too concerned but gfy

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

Yates - moving you to town Not letting things go and seems to be trying to #solve the game. 

Talya - You seem to be looking at the game through a townie lense. I've liked your thought process, even if I don't agree with everything you've said. 

 

Zander - I have not read any game you have played in. Right now, I'm having a bit of a hard time separating you out from Darthe. It feels like serious buddying is coming in to play from Darthe, and I'd lean you being town in this scenario. 

 

Maw - I liked the content of his posts, but I can't clear him off of a handful of posts. I like that he jumped right in when he was here. He said he'd be slow through the weekend, giving him til after then to get a read on him. 

Shad - I can't make a judgement on you this early. I'm going to have to rely on flips and how you interact with people through a few phases. 

 

Wombocombo - Not too overly impressed, Wombat is saying a lot, but not really saying much. AJ was very heavy handed with Seph in the beginning and seemed to have a bit of a grudge thing going on. Not really a good look, the grudge reminded me of Des. 

 

Durin - Turin has been kinda meh. I don't really like Darthe's handling of salami this morning. We all know he's very capable of pulling bad moves as town and having meltdowns. Also, it feels as if Darthe has been buddying Zander. Starting to get a scum lean. 

 

I find four things suspect about this post.  

 

Maw, Talya and Yates made it into a reads list over many far more inolved candidates.

Zander has literally followed me all game, to the point that we have joked about it and yet she accuses me of buddying and attaching myself to him as opposed to it being the other way around.

She acknowledges Salami in her read of me and yet doesn't provide a read of him which is the definition of leading.

It comes at a point that clearly shows interest and cognizance of the thread but she isn't interacting.  

 

 

That was my null list I said I'd ISO today. 

 

Ohhhh okay, I subtract point one then.  What about the other three?  BTW your reads list sucks enough to disregard.

 

[Andrej]

 

Hey Darthe - I found a post on pg 70 that is probably good for your alignment.

 

Just thought I'd let you know.

I wasnt too concerned but gfy

 

<3 u 2 boo

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Hey Darthe - I found a post on pg 70 that is probably good for your alignment.

 

Just thought I'd let you know.

I wasnt too concerned but gfy

 

[Darthe]

yeah I know sili, I'm peerless

[Darthe]

I AM a little bit better than average as a scum hunter and we could say decent at finding townies and clearing myself.

 

but damn if I can't whip votes

[Andrej]

yeah I know sili, I'm peerless

 

Mostly through alienating yourself

[Hallia]

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Sup? 

 

I see this is going to be a busy game. 

 

Guess it's time to get SRS already. :(

 

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I really dislike it when you do this, salami, but it does put you on your town meta. 

 

Hey all.

 

I require one less vote to be lynched (Hated). Should be fun :)

 

 

 

just checking in

Turdarthin n0 peek

I believe sili

 

wombocombo

csarmi

shad

 

 

What? Why are those names there? 

 

AJ is really harboring some bad feelings from a previous game. Meh. Dingbat, you town? 

 

Seph's posts seem awkward. He is going back and forth on if his peek is real or cover. Not sure if this makes him scum or not yet. 

 

Getting decent vibes from Sili. 

 

Thane is just chatty. I'll have to wait to read Verbal. 

 

I haven't played with Turin in ages. Darthe, too early to tell. 

 

Feeling okay with Dice right now. 

 

 

[v]Leelou[/v] because it's how I show love

 

More thoughts after I get home from work tomorrow

 

below contradicts bolded above: 

 

 

Oh and btw--I expect to have things to give thoughts on in 18ish hours when I get off from work. If not I'll be disappointed in you all. 

 

 

Seems like you are trying to save face here. Your first post looks like you came in and didn't read, but posted anyways. Then you stuck around a bit and posted saying you are current. 

 

Shad, not bad. Definitely better first post than in my game. 

 

Sooh has a bland opening post. Don't like her mentioning of pulling a Heart but not saying anything. Means that she at least glanced at the thread but has nothing to add. 

 

Eldrick didn't we just talk about your voting/unvoting briefly in my deadthread and how this makes it easy to make a case on you? You scum or town? 

 

I don't think I know Zander...

 

Laine, null with townie qualities. There are a few things I'm going to watch for that I saw were different from your scum and town games. 

 

Hi Talya. :waves: liking your thought process so far. 

 

NotBob posting quantity on par for NotBob

 

At this point, could vote Heart or Sooh. Possibly Seph. I've only seen him as mafia. How is he as town? 

 

Yes, I'm town.

 

Do you have a post restriction or are you just not planning on reading your own posts?

 

I've played one game with Seph.  He was town and weird.

 

 

possibly good post by wombat.

So?  Why does any of that matter at all at this point?

could have solved the time consuming conflict right here wombat, but you decided to play it off -_-

 

 

 

 

@Sooh: why did you feel the need to pop in when u couldn't add anything constructive?

You mean this morning? 

 

I was excited about the game starting. Just wanted to pop in and say hi.

Did you expect to get pressured over that?

 

Heh no. Interesting the words that are used to describe it too. I think Eldrick described it as "pocketing Heart", when I was worried I'd offend her. I understand more Leelou's stance, but she couldn't possibly know that I was already late for work. Seems a bit aggressive for a first push though. I don't know.

 

 

Sooh when u are caught up tell me what you think of Zander so far

Will do. I'll try to get a grasp of most who have posted.

 

now that it's mentioned here, i notice you treated heart's op a lot less seriously than the rest of us did, to the point you were worried it would offend her if you joked about it.

 

seems like a queer perspective for hunting. u know?

[Sili Quirrels]

Csarmi

Sooh

Sili

Talya

Shad

ThaneBalls

WomboCombo

 

What is this list?

[csarmi]

 

Csarmi

Sooh

Sili

Talya

Shad

ThaneBalls

WomboCombo

 

What is this list?

 

the bluer the more clear

WC was mixwd

[Sili Quirrels]

no i mean why is sooh teal, and why is talya green, and why is thane lime

[Sooh]

Hey everyone. I've had a pretty lazy Saturday. First day of my long summer vacation, and I've felt like doing nothing but lounge. 

 

I apologize for not dropping a vote last night, but by the time I went to bed I still had no idea on who to vote. I see you all did great without me though. Impressive catch for a first day!

 

I've been reading up to here now and I have a couple of comments. 

 

I liked Laine and AJ's work in terms of going back in the thread and looking at things from a new perspective. I will do so myself, but it won't be tonight I don't think. 

**snip**

 

Dice fooled me pretty bad in Mass Effect, so what I thought I knew about him and his way of playing is out the window for me. Him tunneling like this is his town game?

 

I'd like for you to expound on this a bit, if you would. I don't doubt my read on Dice - but I also haven't seen him wolf in a very long time and I didn't follow the ME game at all.

 

**snip**

I just meant what I said. I was feeling before that game that I was getting more of an idea of what to expect from Dice. I read him as town, and he turned out to be mafia. It's basically just me saying I have no idea how to read him.

[Sooh]

**snip**

 

 

 

 

@Sooh: why did you feel the need to pop in when u couldn't add anything constructive?

You mean this morning? 

 

I was excited about the game starting. Just wanted to pop in and say hi.

Did you expect to get pressured over that?

 

Heh no. Interesting the words that are used to describe it too. I think Eldrick described it as "pocketing Heart", when I was worried I'd offend her. I understand more Leelou's stance, but she couldn't possibly know that I was already late for work. Seems a bit aggressive for a first push though. I don't know.

 

**snip**

now that it's mentioned here, i notice you treated heart's op a lot less seriously than the rest of us did, to the point you were worried it would offend her if you joked about it.

 

seems like a queer perspective for hunting. u know?

 

I was explaining my original post, right? And when I read that I just thought it was a pretty standard Heart post. It wasn't until later when her reads didn't come that I was getting concerned about her. 

[csarmi]

no i mean why is sooh teal, and why is talya green, and why is thane lime

Explained all that earlier but here you go (this is an old read list not updated since, mind you):

 

Sooh was teal cause of her intro (I don't believe she would do that "let me pull an AH" stuff as wolf).

Talya was green on her tone and the way she was hunting .

Thane was lime cause of his carefree chatter.

[csarmi]

Sooh is close to navy now and I have no idea of the other two (too much skimming).

[Andrej]

Up thru pg 72. I'm starting to run out of steam... might take a break and eat some lunch then come back to it so I can refocus.

 

 

 

 

Not lynching a peeked townie day 1. But apparently Seph dropped his cover so there we go.

Why would i be taking a cover into account? Because whil N0 peek impossiblr, day peek isn't.

Why would i call it nonsense? Cauae he made it all stupid.

More questions?

 

This legitimately is just terrible though. This isn't a vanilla game - so applying strategy for that sort of set up in this situation is bad imo. If you're a villager you need to play better because this sort of stuff makes you look terrible.

 

leaning  town on Durin and slight town on Thaneballs

 

null read on Wombocombo- but i didnt like the early agression and aj carrying over stuff from last game and the fact hes been pretty inactive.  im not just relying on darthes math i think there a likely chance theres scum on the hydra list.

 

It isn't us.

 

 

I'll be leaving soon for work. There's a chance I'll make DL but it's not a big one.

Wombat - I leave our fate in your more than capable hands.

 

jerk

 

 

Turns out we did okay after all. 

 

I would just like to point out that even scum have to tell the truth from time to time. Ask Dice about Cory's "Town Case" on Dice in the last game Cory and I wolfed together. I think he even built a "Town case" for Sooh in that game.

 

This is true enough. High level wolves know they need to be ~genuine and the best sort of pocketing is when you town read villagers for legit reasons. This is a neutral post for Yates ftr, but I wanted to comment on it nonetheless.

 

This whole post is good posting. I might be letting my bromance with Zander trend him a little too far towards Town. I will have to take a look but regardless this is a solid Townie post.

 

Don't agree with this though - actually sort of strongly dislike it based on what I've seen from Tayla.

 

While I'm catching up - have Verb and Leelou cleared each other yet?

 

This one kinda bugs me - would like to hear Yates explain why this comment came about when it did. Leelou's flip on the table looks like potential TMI for bringing her up like this in relation to Verb.

 

Even if she's wrong, I think that was a Townie post from her perspective. Probably. Unless you think she's fabricating a case against you for some reason? But yeah, I've been playing catch up so I'll look back in a bit...

 

This is better and more reasonable. Maybe I'll see more on this later on but I don't think Tayla looks good at all for her pushes on Zander/Sooh most notably. Add in that she has been scum reading my slot, and yeah... not someone I am getting a lot of villager vibes from.

 

That said I sort of dislike how Yates is handling her prior to this post - if Tayla is a villager this looks bad for him imo.

 

You are wrong. Historically, people have trouble reading me. I've been trying to get better about it, can't always be perfect. Starting ISO's now. 

 

Leelou sounds like she's talking to someone she knows is a villager.

 

 

 

 

This is as of page 65ish but I have to run now (already running a smidge late)

(*indicates that was done hurriedly in the last 15 minutes of my time--will have to go back and analyze better later)

Sili
—opening post was joking about being vanilla town
—Been consistent in not liking me so there’s that at least
—Looking at Aj’s attention on Seph
—as of post #805 he really liked Eldrick, Csarmi and Dice (I remember you explaining why you liked Eldrick, Csarmi I can assume—why dice?)
Sili is going to be on of those people I’m just wary of for a while. I’ve liked a lot of what he’s SAID in this game, but something feels off. It might just be my annoyance. Slight town read for now


Durin (Turin and Darthe)
—Ok, so there was the whole view thing at the beginning, and I can see dice’s point of view where it could be a gambit, however I don’t think that is worth lynching over today.
—I’ve liked Darthe’s posting so far in this game; been looking in a lot of places and interacting with a lot of people and trying to encourage the game.
—Turin some analysis and question asking
—The interactions with dice have been getting a lot of attention, and I am going to go back and look at that more later, but for now I’m going with that nothing especially stuck out to me in those interactions
Once again, a fairly town vibe. The main thing here is that I know both of these players are able to trick me into thinking they are town when they are mafia

Alannalynn
—a lot of giving thoughts and asking questions, feeling a lot like she did last game to me
—has been doing a lot of observing and asking questions and hasn’t been in the thick of any main issue yet, but I’ve noticed she’s normally more on the fringes
In response to her question about my read on her: I normally find you very scummy, and now I’m finding you very town. That change is worth noting, and as previously stated I’m wary of being tricked. I think you’re town at this point though
Strong town lean

Therbal32 (Thane and Verbal)
—really not much stood out to me, they had dice marked as town as of #758 and asked a few questions
Looking at ISO
—Thane talked about his coffee skills a lot, and did more random commentating than actually analyzing the game with his pop-ins, though this has been gradually improving
—Verbal has done a little more questioning of things
Slight town???

NotBob
—mostly questions and commentating, hasn’t done much of his own analysis yet which I saw a bit of before, but that will probably come with time
—as previously stated, I am never trusting him again
town lean

Leelou
—doesn’t like me from the beginning, didn’t like Sooh’s play on my bad play
—notes that csarmi always claims early and she hates it along with his riding it, sees Eldrick as more derptown for the dice vote, doesn’t like the Wombocombo, likes Laine,
—a lot of commentating, a bit of other asking questions, has started looking at others more
Two questions:
Why are you so solidly liking Dice? You’ve restated that you think he’s town and just tunneling a lot, but I don’t see a place where you said why?
For you, what makes seph down in scum pile with me?
Has moved on from focusing on me, feel better about her after ISOing her. Still don’t like how focused she was at the beginning though

*Sooh
—more independent thought than the last game, where she just mostly explained for people and every now and then popped in
Town Lean

*Zander
—also a lot of questioning and casing
—bromance with Darthe
Town Lean

*Eldrick
—a lot of pressuring and responses
—trying to get better at the game
—trying to use votes to pressure
Town Lean

*Talya
—remember liking a lot of her posts, but I feel like there’s something different about her play and tone this game

*Yates
—like his read ups

*Mawthex
—liked his initial post

*Dice
—really don’t like his tunneling
—has given a few other thoughts
—hasn’t really responded to the other things going on

*Shad (BFG)
—feelign really solid this game
—a lot of thoughts a lot of reading a lot of questions
—acting very confident
Town for now

*Seph
—a lot of his posts have been defending of self.
—Has been asking questions and giving a few thoughts
—Defended Durin
Felt a little slippery this game but I don’t necessarily find him SCUMMY

*WomboCombo (Wombat and Andrej)
—I like wombat. Not noticing much by Aj

*Csarmi—(Hated—requires one less vote to be lynched—Jar Jar Binks)
—hate how much he is relying on his hated status, but I’ve not played many games with him (and the last one was forever ago) and apparently this is normal
—questions Sooh’s posts and then a bit later says she is high on his list. Will have to ISO to see if this makes as little sense as it appears to
@Csarmi—why do you like Sooh so much?
Need to look at more later.



SUM UP

A lot of people are leaning town for me right now, but it’s day one and no one has made any major mistakes yet, and we have nothing solid to go on. Day ones are always hard for me for that reason.

My strongest town reads are probably Laine, Shad and Yates, and I’m feeling fairly good about Zander and Eldrick as well.

The hydras I’m all going to be wary of as I know they are all players who can trick me as mafia. The least inthralled by Therbal. Sili I’m also throwing into the category of “town but definitely not clear”

Feeling eh about Talya and Sooh (and Mawth)—sooh is probably my strongest town read out of those three.

The people I’ve had a strong dislike to at some point in the game were dice, Leelou and Csarmi.

I think that was everyone

Leelou has felt better to me, but also has been defending dice a lot. Csarmi has his claim but I would like him to prove his towniness.


I’m comfortable voting this route right now:
[v]dice[/v]
I feel like it would be informative and I think there’s a possibility of scum.


ALSO
I am going to be MORE active next week. Will be here. Lots of free time in the afternoons and some of my late evenings will probably also be open.

Oh and I think it was Zander who asked me what I was last game where I also started out inactive—I was town and that was largely a part of why I was mislynched.


Need to head to work now. Will be getting off of work a bit before deadline so I will try to pop in before it hits.

 

 

 

 

Okay, so this is the first content rich post from AH that I've seen thus far and I don't hate it necessarily. She has some pretty good town reads (Yates pending) and I think her bottom 3 are all reasonable. Her picking Dice or Leelou in that situation is kind of meh, but I'm not gonna fault her there as I think she may have some bias towards Leelou for OTT stuff. At the least she's seeing the way Leelou is defending Dice and making note of that, which indicates she is trying to connect dots. Generally okay with AH moving forward.

 

 

Lol this D1 is becoming cyclical.

 

[v] csarmi [/v] where'd you go?

 

Sometimes I wonder if Darthe has has a Dartboard near with everyone's name on it and just sees what it hits and and votes them before locking it down to make everyone wonder WTH.....lololol

 

This is a legit strategy btw. You just need to drink a lot and spin around 10 times before you throw the dart.

 

 

Dice didn't like this post.

Right. Let me break it down.

It's basically a self-vote - since Turin claimed to peek his hydra buddy a wolf.

The REASON Dice is ascribing so much scum value to a self-vote [which is usually dumb but not really alignment indicative] is because he thinks this looks like a staged interaction orchestrated by Darthe for lulz.

I won't say I'm the GOAT Turin reader but I don't recall his game being self-vote lulzy. I *DO* know Darthe's meta and can absolutely see Dice being 100% on the money with this.

Turin has been hard defending this play by trying to force Dice into ascribing a numerical value to the odds of him doing this as Town vs Scum. And that's complete horse pucky. If that was just a joke, why not say "lulz jkjk?" This defense is really pinging hard because it's way off point and the play itself seems out of character for Turin.

So there you go. Now you know why I've been riding Turin to answer me for two days and why I'm annoyed that he's been ignoring my question. I think he's ignoring the question because he doesn't have a good answer.

I'm going to finish my reread but I'm probably voting Durin.

 

I don't hate this post. Ftr though - I think the pre-orchestrated line devalues the entire argument. I see the point of Darthe/Turin doing something like this as a wolf in the moment but saying that they planned it is stretching imo. Like who actually plans OPs?

 

I dislike this post. We are town and didn't pre-plan the Op(which is what we would have had to have done for your argument to work) so clearly Turin is capable of making an op post like that. Further, dice specifically stated that he thought he had low odds of catching a wolf with this. Turin got hung up on that, sure, but only because Dice later became a rampant drop bear hate monster who crawled up our ass about us being a wolf over that same op he said had low odds of catching a wolf. I don't care whether you agree with the play or not but the internal consistency and performance of the both of us amounts to far more than what credit you're giving here.

 

@Yates - See?

 

This response reads pretty genuine from Darthe fwiw. I agree that Turin seems hung up on the percentage thing and that isn't looking good for him atm.

 

Town talya might do that...

I refer back to my "these people all do things as town that townies shouldn't do" post

 

Be glad I've arrived then.

 

Yates - moving you to town Not letting things go and seems to be trying to #solve the game. 

Talya - You seem to be looking at the game through a townie lense. I've liked your thought process, even if I don't agree with everything you've said. 

 

Zander - I have not read any game you have played in. Right now, I'm having a bit of a hard time separating you out from Darthe. It feels like serious buddying is coming in to play from Darthe, and I'd lean you being town in this scenario. 

 

Maw - I liked the content of his posts, but I can't clear him off of a handful of posts. I like that he jumped right in when he was here. He said he'd be slow through the weekend, giving him til after then to get a read on him. 

Shad - I can't make a judgement on you this early. I'm going to have to rely on flips and how you interact with people through a few phases. 

 

Wombocombo - Not too overly impressed, Wombat is saying a lot, but not really saying much. AJ was very heavy handed with Seph in the beginning and seemed to have a bit of a grudge thing going on. Not really a good look, the grudge reminded me of Des. 

 

Durin - Turin has been kinda meh. I don't really like Darthe's handling of salami this morning. We all know he's very capable of pulling bad moves as town and having meltdowns. Also, it feels as if Darthe has been buddying Zander. Starting to get a scum lean.

 

Pretty much hate this list - but maybe that's just me seeing it with hindsight bias. The Yates/Tayla green reads bug me because I don't think I'm familiar enough with Leelou's scum game to decide whether I think she's likely to clear teammates or try to buddy villagers. I don't like Tayla so far and Yates has said a few things that are questionable imo (about Tayla no less) so this post concerns me.

 

More notably though - the grudge bit she brings up regarding me.

 

It reminds her of Des. Okay?

 

Alignment indicative? No. This is another example of Leelou reaching for details that aren't polarizing and attempting to make them appear so. I'm glad we lynched this wolf. I hate being slandered for poor reasons.

 

-snip-

 

Reads DArthe as Villagery, Doen't think Dice's actons as wolfy

 

Then Doesn't post anything for two days.

 

Damn..gtg

 

Your point being... what?

 

I find four things suspect about this post.  

 

 

Maw, Talya and Yates made it into a reads list over many far more inolved candidates.

Zander has literally followed me all game, to the point that we have joked about it and yet she accuses me of buddying and attaching myself to him as opposed to it being the other way around.

She acknowledges Salami in her read of me and yet doesn't provide a read of him which is the definition of leading.

It comes at a point that clearly shows interest and cognizance of the thread but she isn't interacting. 

 

Darthe reacting in this way on the spot is probably a decent sign for him. I think it would've looked better if he had voted immediately but meh.

 

Townie leans
Salami - claimed Jar Jar - hated 

Dice
Sili
Laine

Yates
Talya
Eldrick

Sooh

NotBob
ThaneBalls32

Zander

 
Null
Shad
Maw

 
Scummy leans

Aiel <3

Wombocombo

Durin 

Seph

 

I am going to [unvote] for now. I feel slightly better about Heart, not thrilled with her vote though and a few of her reasonings. I want to mull over my scum leans before voting again. 

 

I remember seeing this post while skimming briefly during a bus ride from a field trip Friday afternoon. I made a comment in my QT along the lines of "Leelou probably a wolf 4realz" after seeing it. #GOAT

 

Without even having context for these reads I strongly disliked the high number of villagers and low number of null/scum reads. If she is 4/4 villagers in her red pile (which I naturally doubt) and 2/2 villagers in her null (also kinda doubt) then that means she's placed all of her buddies in her greens somewhere. Gun to my head if I had to pick ~possible teammates I might say Durin/Clov just because of her placement of them. That's mostly POE though considering my other reads on the slots she has listed in the bottom 6.

 

Subtract your own town reads and find the wolves imo. This game is probably a pretty easy solve after a few more deaths.

 

The last 2 - I posted a reads list which shows where I have salami. I've said a few times he's town. Also, I'm interacting where I can. I'm one of those busy people too. 

Other point - It's how I felt reading Zander that he was coming across town. You are the one making a big point out of the way you guys are thinking aligned and it is coming off as buddying. I could be wrong and he could be scum.

 

Meh on this response. It reads sort of awkward and I'm not sure how to interpret it from Leelou's perspective regarding Darthe's alignment.

 

 

So enjoyable is the meta that allows me to tell people exactly when they're being dumb and what they do sucks.  

 

:eyeroll: Stop being so condescending. You have a habit of being that way as scum.

 

 

Probably important.

 

Having just mentored him I can tell you that Seph actually has solid reads, good instincts, and great internal logic. I think people call him wolfy because he often misses some of the finer points that are obvious to people with more experience and he is unafraid to post anything and everything he's thinking - which is a super Townie thing to do that gets penalized here for some reason. The time to worry about Seph being a wolf is when he isn't posting with reckless abandon.

This pamphlet on "How to Read Seph for Beginners" has been provided free of charge by Yates Corp TM.

 

I can appreciate this post. Still neutral for Yates imo but good info nonetheless and likely means Seph is a villager regardless of Yates's alignment - but especially so if he's a wolf.

 

Screw it maybe I die for this but I think all of today's lynches with the exception of maybe Leelou are wrong.

I want thaneballs or zander atm

 

???

 

List of people trying TWTBAW/pushing so hard that people think it's too bold for them if they're a wolf/getting cleared on thin stuff

 

Csarmi

Seph

Dice

Talya

Maw

Notbob

AH

Thaneballs

 

That's a pitifully huge list and yet for one reason or another a lot of us are saying "naw let's not vote them because ____"

 

I have an issue with this.  Gotta be a wolf in here that's sneaking by on the merits of town sucking so bad right now.  

 

I might bet on it being Tayla. NotBob/Thaneballs still plausible.

 

I haven't seen Clov/Maw yet but I would leave them there just because I don't have an opinion yet.

 

I'd take out Notbob and maybe Maw and AH for now just on the merit of what I've seen from them being okay.  

 

You might actually be a villager.

 

Ya'll gonna hate me but I've literally come full circle.

 

[unvote][v]seph[/v]

 

I can't get past the strange inconsistent posting, the pushes that could be backed up but aren't, the shiftiness, putting himself in his own wolf list, etc.  I tried to help him and have given him too many chances, basically ignoring the slots wolf potential but I think this whole game makes more sense if it really is this simple.  

 

This is dumb though - it's like you keep skirting around voting the known wolf in Leelou although you've sussed her and continuously vote bad wagons. What gives, man? This is sorta like American Gods where you distance from your scummy looking partners but end up in the wrong places.

 

 

 

 

Had to go back and delete a lot of the nested quotes in some of these because it was too large to post, so my apologies. To see them in context just simply click the curved arrow at the top right corner of the quote box and it'll take you there directly (for those who don't know).

[csarmi]

The Adventures of Andrej the Bunny

[Andrej]

Andrej the Giant of Villaging imo.