[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

Zander? · June 19, 2015

Screw it maybe I die for this but I think all of today's lynches with the exception of maybe Leelou are wrong.

I want thaneballs or zander atm

And no I am not really aware of why. Both have made okay posts and several people getting lynched I'd *like* lynching but I don't think we are on wolves atm.

Maybe heart. Maybe I'm letting Yates weigh into my reads since I tend to do that with him

List of people trying TWTBAW/pushing so hard that people think it's too bold for them if they're a wolf/getting cleared on thin stuff

Csarmi

Seph

Dice

Talya

Maw

Notbob

AH

Thaneballs

That's a pitifully huge list and yet for one reason or another a lot of us are saying "naw let's not vote them because ____"

I have an issue with this. Gotta be a wolf in here that's sneaking by on the merits of town sucking so bad right now.

Hell with it I don't want to lynch Zander. If he is a wolf I'm only -reading him because he stirs the pot and is so similar to me.

Ya'll gonna hate me but I've literally come full circle.

[unvote][v]seph[/v]

I can't get past the strange inconsistent posting, the pushes that could be backed up but aren't, the shiftiness, putting himself in his own wolf list, etc. I tried to help him and have given him too many chances, basically ignoring the slots wolf potential but I think this whole game makes more sense if it really is this simple.

Darthe so are you sure its seph??? lololol seriously confusing everyone...possibly yourself even.

Zander? · June 19, 2015

Lol if Sooh is a wolfy townie and a townie wolf. That is definitely a thing.
Oh.

My.

God.

It's like I suddenly understand how to read Sooh!

there is truth to this imo.

Sooh · June 19, 2015

Re Heart - I think her post coming in and clearly skimming and giving her thoughts is fine. What I didn't like, which may or may not have been a typo since it made little sense, was that she said she'd barely be here next week as well. At this point, even if she is town, how does it benefit town to keep her around?
Ah yes, that old chestnut, "Let's lynch the person providing zero content over people providing scummy content..."

Who are your scum reads again? Was it just the abandoned Seph read?

At this point in time I have a number of players I'm unsure of. If it helps to think in skittle terms color them orange.

Talya is one of the players I have trouble sussing out. I feel like she's very much grasping at straws with her reads sometimes, and that doesn't sit right with me.

Dice I'm not convinced of. I would wolf read him more, but the fact that most of my town reads seem convinced that he's town leads me to believe he might be as well. Still so unsure though.

Seph is still not clear for me. I believe he could pull himself out of a rut as wolf, but at the same time he may also just be a townie with a bad start.

Csarmi is an enigma to me, and I can't tell what I should believe about him. I think he's not doing great in terms of solving, and he seems fixated on a few players only.

Mawth is still far from clear in my books, same as Heart, but they are in my orange reads more for lack of content.

Darthe · June 19, 2015

Truly though, if I am critical it's because people tend to either say something that could be said in one sentence in two, use rhetoric non-ironically and for the hell of it, get hung up on inconsequential BS and spam threads with it and formulate inconsistent reads because they don't make it clear what transitions them from one view to the next.

Those things make people hard to read and I tell them that. The only time I call things dumb/obtuse and really mean it is when people push/create friction based on ??? over content and impartial analysis. Take Dice flaring up over the Turin thing. I can accept thinking that is suspect but I disagree about it being meaningful since I understand that it was a joke from Turin. I find it incredibly dense of him to make the argument that me brushing aside his point (since I do happen to know Turin's alignment) somehow validates his argument.

I can see your points, it's harder to do that when you may not have the most analytical mind. I can see what you are saying about the Dice, and it makes sense. Mafia has changed so much since I last truely played and then didn't understand the changes, now I can see the changes and have to pull myself up out of the old way.

Tbh you really adapt quickly. I have a tough time following you sometimes, mainly just the way that you structure things, but yeah you're doing well. I'd like if you were more obviously an alignment since most of your content seems relatively alignment neutral but that's my responsibility to recognize as much as it is yours to show.

Darthe · June 19, 2015

Screw it maybe I die for this but I think all of today's lynches with the exception of maybe Leelou are wrong.

I want thaneballs or zander atm

And no I am not really aware of why. Both have made okay posts and several people getting lynched I'd *like* lynching but I don't think we are on wolves atm.

Maybe heart. Maybe I'm letting Yates weigh into my reads since I tend to do that with him

List of people trying TWTBAW/pushing so hard that people think it's too bold for them if they're a wolf/getting cleared on thin stuff

Csarmi

Seph

Dice

Talya

Maw

Notbob

AH

Thaneballs

That's a pitifully huge list and yet for one reason or another a lot of us are saying "naw let's not vote them because ____"

I have an issue with this. Gotta be a wolf in here that's sneaking by on the merits of town sucking so bad right now.

Hell with it I don't want to lynch Zander. If he is a wolf I'm only -reading him because he stirs the pot and is so similar to me.

Ya'll gonna hate me but I've literally come full circle.

[unvote][v]seph[/v]

I can't get past the strange inconsistent posting, the pushes that could be backed up but aren't, the shiftiness, putting himself in his own wolf list, etc. I tried to help him and have given him too many chances, basically ignoring the slots wolf potential but I think this whole game makes more sense if it really is this simple.

Darthe so are you sure its seph??? lololol seriously confusing everyone...possibly yourself even.

Mostly myself. And no I'm not remotely sure of much.

Darthe · June 19, 2015

[v] sooh [/v]

Darthe · June 19, 2015

[unvote][v]sooh[/v]

Yates · June 19, 2015

Post Leaders:

Darthe	        248
Zander	        188
csarmi	        147
Sili Quirrels	114

Who is the wolf trying to influence the Town?

Zander? · June 19, 2015

[v] sooh [/v]

not sure if Sooh us a D1 lynch imo.

Darthe · June 19, 2015

[v] sooh [/v]

not sure if Sooh us a D1 lynch imo.

Perhaps not.

Darthe · June 19, 2015

Post Leaders:
Darthe	        248
Zander	        188
csarmi	        147
Sili Quirrels	114
Who is the wolf trying to influence the Town?

Does there have to be one?

Darthe · June 19, 2015

I have forty posts for every one maw has posted.

Zander? · June 19, 2015

Post Leaders:
Darthe	        248
Zander	        188
csarmi	        147
Sili Quirrels	114
Who is the wolf trying to influence the Town?
Does there have to be one?

not out of the realm of possibility

Talya · June 19, 2015

Reads:

Town:

Alanna - Good posts, wolf hunting and analytical

Dice - Bad vote, but the natural defensive stance read town to me

CS - The claim mainly (issue here is what to do towards end of game?), would like to see more wolf hunting. don't get the vote on Durin though

Sili - Like his posts, seems as other games. Slight concern over lack of vote switching I've seen before.

Slight town read

Durin - There is logic there I can see, sometimes Darthe is so flipant it's frustrating, but I feel there are pushing people. Haven't really notice too much of Turin, I guess in the shadow a bit

Shad - I have like his posts, logical, clean. Different from before, but learning maybe. The doubt is there...different style...different alignment?

Seph - I've said this before, felt townie what he did, frustrated at times, I have more experience of dice, hence Seph lower down.

notbob - Felt more interation from him, much more than his wolf game last time. - need to read more on him - he would be the lowest slight town

NULLISH/MIXED

Leelou - Didn't like the push on Sooh at the beginning, used to her flirty posts, but the game started so quick (no pages of spam), but she has posted better of late

Eld - tbh, not read much hear, can't remember much about him. Need to look at him over the weekend. Nothing has stood out yet

Heart - Once she gets the chance to post more I'm hoping to get a better view

Maw - as Heart but more really

thaneballs - Can't remember too much from Thane, Verb hasn't seemed to be pushing anyone, or hunting wolves...could drop down

Slight wolf

Zander - curse me all you like I know you love me really, but there is something off, and your obsession on CS detracts

sooh - the bit about Heart - still sounds like she was looking for any easy lynch, just read her scum list...and it seems wishy washy...5 ways to say not sure on people

AJ/Womby - highest scum at the moment. said before.

Zander? · June 19, 2015

Reads:

Town:

Alanna - Good posts, wolf hunting and analytical

Dice - Bad vote, but the natural defensive stance read town to me

CS - The claim mainly (issue here is what to do towards end of game?), would like to see more wolf hunting. don't get the vote on Durin though

Sili - Like his posts, seems as other games. Slight concern over lack of vote switching I've seen before.

Slight town read

Durin - There is logic there I can see, sometimes Darthe is so flipant it's frustrating, but I feel there are pushing people. Haven't really notice too much of Turin, I guess in the shadow a bit

Shad - I have like his posts, logical, clean. Different from before, but learning maybe. The doubt is there...different style...different alignment?

Seph - I've said this before, felt townie what he did, frustrated at times, I have more experience of dice, hence Seph lower down.

notbob - Felt more interation from him, much more than his wolf game last time. - need to read more on him - he would be the lowest slight town

NULLISH/MIXED

Leelou - Didn't like the push on Sooh at the beginning, used to her flirty posts, but the game started so quick (no pages of spam), but she has posted better of late

Eld - tbh, not read much hear, can't remember much about him. Need to look at him over the weekend. Nothing has stood out yet

Heart - Once she gets the chance to post more I'm hoping to get a better view

Maw - as Heart but more really

thaneballs - Can't remember too much from Thane, Verb hasn't seemed to be pushing anyone, or hunting wolves...could drop down

Slight wolf

Zander - curse me all you like I know you love me really, but there is something off, and your obsession on CS detracts

sooh - the bit about Heart - still sounds like she was looking for any easy lynch, just read her scum list...and it seems wishy washy...5 ways to say not sure on people

AJ/Womby - highest scum at the moment. said before.

i wont curse you and I do live ya. I just think your reading wrong or a wolf trying to case me. if its the latter ill have to lunch you. atp though i dont think your a day 1 lynch yet.

Zander? · June 19, 2015

ebwop

love not live....lololol

Talya · June 19, 2015

ha - forgot Yates...in the Null/Mixed for now, I think overall ok, but I something is pulling me that it might not be so - need to check as well.

sorry... :-(

Talya · June 19, 2015

seph, If my reading is wrong, I hope I will learn from it. But this is day 1, chances are none of us are going to get them all right.

@Darthe - Why do you think Sooh?

Verbal32 · June 19, 2015

@Darthe

We're not in trouble. I have some solid villager reads right now, and I doubt I'm wrong on more than 1 of them (if any). This means lynching from the rest is ok by me for now, until potential NKs in my village pool make me need to add more players to it.

I'm ok with this approach for D1/D2, btw.

What are your solid town reads?

Dice

Eldrick

Salami*

Yates

Sili

Leelou

Durin*

* the only ones I could waffle on a bit - there is no way they are w/w, though.....which means definitely 1 of them is a villager, but I think both right now. So when I said I'm not wrong on more than 1, I was thinking of these 2 in my head.

Yates · June 19, 2015

Post Leaders:
Darthe	        248
Zander	        188
csarmi	        147
Sili Quirrels	114
Who is the wolf trying to influence the Town?
Does there have to be one?

This was in response to the low poster posts, but yes. PROBABLY.

The probability of scum being in the top posters is >= the probability of scum being in the slankers. Feel free to go back and fact check this - because I clearly don't have the time - but maybe check the last 4 or 5 games and see how many times there was scum in the top 4 posters and compare it to the number of times there was scum in the bottom 4.

Darthe · June 19, 2015

yeah you know I presented that argument to Corey at one point because I've heard it before Yates and it's definitely true on MS but he was able to show pretty clearly that it does not hold up here with a few notable exceptions who mostly happened to be champions.

Talya · June 19, 2015

The last two games I was in:

Aliens: total = 1213

Dae - 10

Sooh - 25

NB - 40

ME in the BT: total = 1251

Seph - 88

Dice - 60

RTE - 49

Talya · June 19, 2015

They were low posting games though

Darthe · June 19, 2015

BTW u would never compare the top to the bottom. You would compare it to the average %of wolves in any random group of 4 to see if it is anything significant

Zander? · June 19, 2015

Post Leaders:
Darthe	        248
Zander	        188
csarmi	        147
Sili Quirrels	114
Who is the wolf trying to influence the Town?
Does there have to be one?
This was in response to the low poster posts, but yes. PROBABLY.

The probability of scum being in the top posters is >= the probability of scum being in the slankers. Feel free to go back and fact check this - because I clearly don't have the time - but maybe check the last 4 or 5 games and see how many times there was scum in the top 4 posters and compare it to the number of times there was scum in the bottom 4.

last game i played MS wolves were 2 out of 3 lowest posters. seph and dice.

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