[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

[WWWwombat]

[v]Talya [/v]

 

Worst case scenario. She actually is a Stump. She's still contributing.

 

Do you actually think she's scum though?  Because lynching a stump just because you don't want to make a decision on other players is pretty meh imo.

[Zander?]

[v]Talya [/v]

 

Worst case scenario. She actually is a Stump. She's still contributing.

Talya is not gonna be solved today or tonight. plus atp she looks better then the current suspects

[Zander?]

 

[v]Talya [/v]

 

Worst case scenario. She actually is a Stump. She's still contributing.

 

Do you actually think she's scum though?  Because lynching a stump just because you don't want to make a decision on other players is pretty meh imo.

 

 

+1

[WWWwombat]

there no better suspects at this point then yates/sili and heart.  losing a poss Doc to a lynch then if so the cop is a not a pro town play man. my way we confirm ALL the suspects we have.  this IS a pro town play.

 

 

Done arguing it with you for now.  I don't think we're going to convince each other of any more than we have already.  I am WTL Sili or Yates but only if I have to.

[WWWwombat]

And I'm done posting for now too lol.

[Zander?]

 

there no better suspects at this point then yates/sili and heart.  losing a poss Doc to a lynch then if so the cop is a not a pro town play man. my way we confirm ALL the suspects we have.  this IS a pro town play.

 

 

Done arguing it with you for now.  I don't think we're going to convince each other of any more than we have already.  I am WTL Sili or Yates but only if I have to.

 

 

this is true. 

 

 

And I'm done posting for now too lol.

 

lololol

[Talya]

 

i dont see how but thats fine.

 

What do you think is the best play here?

 

 

You are frustrating at times lol <3

 

I'm still debating in my mind. I'm reluctant to go for Heart, due to claim, in that respect I'm also unwilling to go for WomboAJ as well. I'm not sure I think there would be both in this game. I can see how tonight would best resolve Heart.

 

Sili and Yates - I can see some logic here, but we can also do this tomorrow after resolve of Heart. I have had doubts about Sili all game and Yates I thought was wolf a few days ago, and he seemed to pick his game up since then. He didn't have much to say on Sili until later when he had him as town. Sili on the otherhand, didn't act like a mason. I can't remember what happened when it was between Yates and Verbane...was he around? I will need to check.

 

Eld has played an odd game, he has slipped under the radar. I was thinking he had voted Leelou on D1. He was originally on Sooh, when I consolidated my vote on Sooh she had 2 people on her. After that he changed his vote, I had in my mind he put it on Leelou. Why transfer your vote from a teammate to another especially one who was Godfather. However he didn't he transferred it to Heart. However he was on both other lynches, but didn't really push them.

 

Just seen him vote

 

[v]Talya [/v]

 

Worst case scenario. She actually is a Stump. She's still contributing.

 

this has to be the worst case I have seen...are you going to get any info, no...this is a sitting on the fence about everything kinda post. You Luke claim is bugging me. However, I can't see there being just 4 mafia, if wombo and Heart have those roles. so a SK...that would mean NB is lying, maybe a symp? Maybe I don't know.

 

so at present, this is where my mind is

 

Not lynch ever...

 

Seph

Dice

Me

Zander - unless you are deep wolf and I will cry

CS - last resort when rest sorted out below

 

We need to work out

 

Heart

wombo

Yates

Sili

 

NB - could be sk or could be vig

 

Eld - left out on his own...

[Talya]

of course Luke, Leia and Han could be all safe claims...lmao - cruel

 

ok - tinfoiling over, move along these are not things you should be reading

[Yates]

I'm posting from my brother's computer and have like 10 minutes before breakfast...

 

I haven't read anything from my last post other than our QT but I want to address a couple of things Sili mentioned in there.

 

1. I never told Sili how I found him.

 

He made a post on Day 1 saying "I'm related to Luke so I even chuckled." And I'm thinking; "Did he just claim Leia? Possibly Owen/Beru? I don't know that Hally includes either of them... And there's NO WAY he's claiming Vader in thread, right?" Then Leelou flips scum and Sili makes that post about her flip being poetic and I was like - "Dude! Did I just find R2?!"

 

It's really that simple.

 

2. I told Sili not to leave crumbs. I figured our claims were strong enough that if one of us died the other could just character claim. 3PO and R2? LDO. But he was concerned about the fact he had put me in his POE and thought if he flipped on me for no reason it would look too obvious. My "crumb" is really that I mostly ignore Sili because I don't need to figure him out.

 

3. The NSFW section of our QT. I agree that Sili oversold the distancing a bit but whatever. My philosophy on Masons is the same as on hydras - just post what you think will be best and look most natural for you. I'm not going to filter his content. Aint nobody got time for that.

 

4. While I don't crumb the masonary, I did look for an opportunity to crumb my role at least.

You know. Robot.

 

5. Speaking of crumbs; the reason I was "being weird" with Seph is because he would have been the only other person who should have known I was going to claim mason. I told him to go look at a specific quote from our old mentor chat. That post was asking him who NB's mason partner was in American Gods. That was about as unsubtle as I could be.

 

Okay. That's about as much as I'm going to talk about our claim.

[Zander?]

 

 

i dont see how but thats fine.

 

What do you think is the best play here?

 

 

You are frustrating at times lol <3

 

I'm still debating in my mind. I'm reluctant to go for Heart, due to claim, in that respect I'm also unwilling to go for WomboAJ as well. I'm not sure I think there would be both in this game. I can see how tonight would best resolve Heart.

 

Sili and Yates - I can see some logic here, but we can also do this tomorrow after resolve of Heart. I have had doubts about Sili all game and Yates I thought was wolf a few days ago, and he seemed to pick his game up since then. He didn't have much to say on Sili until later when he had him as town. Sili on the otherhand, didn't act like a mason. I can't remember what happened when it was between Yates and Verbane...was he around? I will need to check.

 

Eld has played an odd game, he has slipped under the radar. I was thinking he had voted Leelou on D1. He was originally on Sooh, when I consolidated my vote on Sooh she had 2 people on her. After that he changed his vote, I had in my mind he put it on Leelou. Why transfer your vote from a teammate to another especially one who was Godfather. However he didn't he transferred it to Heart. However he was on both other lynches, but didn't really push them.

 

Just seen him vote

 

[v]Talya [/v]

 

Worst case scenario. She actually is a Stump. She's still contributing.

 

this has to be the worst case I have seen...are you going to get any info, no...this is a sitting on the fence about everything kinda post. You Luke claim is bugging me. However, I can't see there being just 4 mafia, if wombo and Heart have those roles. so a SK...that would mean NB is lying, maybe a symp? Maybe I don't know.

 

so at present, this is where my mind is

 

Not lynch ever...

 

Seph

Dice

Me

Zander - unless you are deep wolf and I will cry

CS - last resort when rest sorted out below

 

We need to work out

 

Heart

wombo

Yates

Sili

 

NB - could be sk or could be vig

 

Eld - left out on his own...

 

 

1st Bold...Yes i know....lololol. 

 

2nd Bold- Why do this when we can solve ALL 3 BY daybreak tomorrow?  Lynching Heart is foolish on the chance her claim is TRUE,  Yates/Sili are the most viable suspects to lynch and will be gg if I'm right and if not we've confirmed more town and makes things easier.

 

I honestly don't believe im wrong here.  I'm not saying 100% because that would be impossible but its up there.  I'm seeing people saying well they may look scummy...but they claimed mason or ....well i haven't seen the breadcrumbs....but they claimed mason so we shouldn't lynch them while others are like well well well Heart claimed Doc so we should lynch her.....WE CAN RESOLVE ALL THIS BY following my game plan.  It is a Pro Town move that includes both being right and wrong AND still being the best bet for town.  Risking losing the Doc here to a Lynch is just plain foolish when she's resolved tonight.  You guys (yes im not including myself here cause im not doing it UNLESS she Hard Claims Wolf...lol) lynch her and are wrong DOC and COP gone and Yates/Sili which are top tier suspects aren't cleared,

[Zander?]

I'm posting from my brother's computer and have like 10 minutes before breakfast...

 

I haven't read anything from my last post other than our QT but I want to address a couple of things Sili mentioned in there.

 

1. I never told Sili how I found him.

 

He made a post on Day 1 saying "I'm related to Luke so I even chuckled." And I'm thinking; "Did he just claim Leia? Possibly Owen/Beru? I don't know that Hally includes either of them... And there's NO WAY he's claiming Vader in thread, right?" Then Leelou flips scum and Sili makes that post about her flip being poetic and I was like - "Dude! Did I just find R2?!"

 

It's really that simple.

 

you don't tell and he doesn't ask....lololol

 

2. I told Sili not to leave crumbs. I figured our claims were strong enough that if one of us died the other could just character claim. 3PO and R2? LDO. But he was concerned about the fact he had put me in his POE and thought if he flipped on me for no reason it would look too obvious. My "crumb" is really that I mostly ignore Sili because I don't need to figure him out.

 

Gonna look into this...this seems wrong to me.  But i'll check

3. The NSFW section of our QT. I agree that Sili oversold the distancing a bit but whatever. My philosophy on Masons is the same as on hydras - just post what you think will be best and look most natural for you. I'm not going to filter his content. Aint nobody got time for that.

 

Nice excuse.

 

4. While I don't crumb the masonary, I did look for an opportunity to crumb my role at least.

You know. Robot.

 

5. Speaking of crumbs; the reason I was "being weird" with Seph is because he would have been the only other person who should have known I was going to claim mason. I told him to go look at a specific quote from our old mentor chat. That post was asking him who NB's mason partner was in American Gods. That was about as unsubtle as I could be.

 

I/d say this is better described as trying to buddy an Confirmed Towny.

 

Okay. That's about as much as I'm going to talk about our claim.

 

 

 

lololololol  PLEASE VOTE YATES OR SILI NOW.  This is just not right you have to see it!!!!

[Yates]

Okay. As far as Heart being doc? You all realize we already have a proven phoenix, right? And now we have claims of tree stump and commuter? Even removing our mason roles for a minute, there's zero chance we have a doc + tree stump + commuter + phoenix. Those are all essentially unkillable roles.

 

AND - the problem with the plan to kill a mason to prove the other is:

1. It's not scum hunting. It's information hunting.

2. The last scum is almost certainly Vader. And Vader isn't going to be a goon.

 

One other thing I wanted to address; claims are claims. Whatever. I agree that you should lynch based on play. Sili wasn't in the poe until he took one for the team to help me out. I think he's pretty obv Town. He DROVE the lynches on Verb and Sooh. He wasn't just sheeping. He's been game solving. AND - for those of you who know Sili meta - volume *is* a Town tell for Sili. Sili scum doesn't know how to post his thoughts without neutering himself. Conversely, I feel like Heart is getting by on her CLAIM not her play. Doc is about as obvious a fake claim as cop for scum about to be crushed. You saw this with Verb. See it now.

 

[v]Heart[/v]

 

And if Wombo is commuter, he's Zander's protection. Duh.

[Yates]

This is just not right you have to see it!!!!

Grown ups are talking now. Just take a breather and let people not tunneling respond. Obviously I don't want either of us to have to die at this stage in the game just to prove our role and then end up in this same stupid exercise tomorrow but I at least understand why it might *have* to happen.

 

Seriously. Breakfast. Try to get on tonight.

[Zander?]

Okay. As far as Heart being doc? You all realize we already have a proven phoenix, right? And now we have claims of tree stump and commuter? Even removing our mason roles for a minute, there's zero chance we have a doc + tree stump + commuter + phoenix. Those are all essentially unkillable roles.

 

AND - the problem with the plan to kill a mason to prove the other is:

1. It's not scum hunting. It's information hunting.

2. The last scum is almost certainly Vader. And Vader isn't going to be a goon.

 

One other thing I wanted to address; claims are claims. Whatever. I agree that you should lynch based on play. Sili wasn't in the poe until he took one for the team to help me out. I think he's pretty obv Town. He DROVE the lynches on Verb and Sooh. He wasn't just sheeping. He's been game solving. AND - for those of you who know Sili meta - volume *is* a Town tell for Sili. Sili scum doesn't know how to post his thoughts without neutering himself. Conversely, I feel like Heart is getting by on her CLAIM not her play. Doc is about as obvious a fake claim as cop for scum about to be crushed. You saw this with Verb. See it now.

 

[v]Heart[/v]

 

And if Wombo is commuter, he's Zander's protection. Duh.

 

I don't read that they can to that to someone else and second it say can't be everynight...so no thats not correct.

 

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commuter

[Zander?]

 

Okay. As far as Heart being doc? You all realize we already have a proven phoenix, right? And now we have claims of tree stump and commuter? Even removing our mason roles for a minute, there's zero chance we have a doc + tree stump + commuter + phoenix. Those are all essentially unkillable roles.

 

AND - the problem with the plan to kill a mason to prove the other is:

1. It's not scum hunting. It's information hunting.

2. The last scum is almost certainly Vader. And Vader isn't going to be a goon.

 

One other thing I wanted to address; claims are claims. Whatever. I agree that you should lynch based on play. Sili wasn't in the poe until he took one for the team to help me out. I think he's pretty obv Town. He DROVE the lynches on Verb and Sooh. He wasn't just sheeping. He's been game solving. AND - for those of you who know Sili meta - volume *is* a Town tell for Sili. Sili scum doesn't know how to post his thoughts without neutering himself. Conversely, I feel like Heart is getting by on her CLAIM not her play. Doc is about as obvious a fake claim as cop for scum about to be crushed. You saw this with Verb. See it now.

 

[v]Heart[/v]

 

And if Wombo is commuter, he's Zander's protection. Duh.

 

I don't read that they can to that to someone else and second it say can't be everynight...so no thats not correct.

 

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commuter

 

 

TOP BOLD: sorry i forgot this but NONE OF US IN GAME ARE THE MODS!!!  ITS ALL SPECULATION!!! 

[Aiel Heart]

You are still nonsensically attributing a Leelou post to us.

As I said before, I type numbers wrong sometimes. I usually check them before I post them on thread but by the time I got to you guys I was getting brain fried

[Aiel Heart]

Okay. As far as Heart being doc? You all realize we already have a proven phoenix, right? And now we have claims of tree stump and commuter? Even removing our mason roles for a minute, there's zero chance we have a doc + tree stump + commuter + phoenix. Those are all essentially unkillable roles.

I agree that the four of these together is highly unlikely (though still possible--don't want to make assumptions about set up either)) 

We all know for sure that we have a phoenix, and I AM the doc. That makes you and Talya next in the spotlight.

I'd really rather not die to prove it. I can guarantee someone else one more night.

[Zander?]

 

This is just not right you have to see it!!!!

Grown ups are talking now. Just take a breather and let people not tunneling respond. Obviously I don't want either of us to have to die at this stage in the game just to prove our role and then end up in this same stupid exercise tomorrow but I at least understand why it might *have* to happen.

 

Seriously. Breakfast. Try to get on tonight.

 

 

 

lolololol i love you.

 

we wont have to do this ESPECIALLY if im right about you and Sili and second more people in the clear brother. VOTING HEART 100% waste of a lynch when were this far ahead.  its just a dumb play.  even if she is a wolf shes gone tomorrow.  and we still clear one of you.

 

The Force Is Strong with My PLAN!!!

[Aiel Heart]

*You was directed at Aj. I know it was a Yates post. Sorry I know my brain is scrambled this morning

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Wombo's game this day has been horrible IMO

 

First they pushed for Heart lynch, admitting that they weren't reading what she has to say and just bulldozing for her death.

 

Then, after the doc claim, they still want her dead. Even if she is mafia, it should be decided tonight. I don't think she is, and niether so many other people. Your tunneling is not changing my opinion on you.

 

And then the commuter claim. Highly suspicious to claim something that can't be proven, except by kill or cop view.

 

At no point in this game has Wombo been better than null to me. They have been varying degrees of scummy, and are stinking of it right now.

 

I still believe that there is mafia between Heart and Wombo, because of Leelou's list. This is the way to go today. If they aren't mafia, Heart will be resolved tonight anyway.

 

I'm also happy with lynching notbob. The N2 kill is unexplained, unless Dice wants to claim it.

i don't think the tunneling is unwarranted actually. the claimed doc variant is uncommon, and the decision not to protect darthe n1 is bad, and heart's recent posting isn't good either imo.

 

i agree that the commuter role would be convenient for a scum claim, but with han solo it makes a lot of sense, and we know it couldn't be darthe's role because darthe was nkd.

 

 

Why didn't wombocombo not commute darthe?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

Seph I told you from the beginning I was gonna ride you. There really isn't much else to consider imo.

 

Seeing all the claims and knowing my role, I don't think Heart is the doc. I didn't really believe she was when she first claimed because of the situation and sketchy reasoning around missing obvious protects.

 

She hasn't done anything to change my mind and her posts in defense sound like a caught wolf. That one she did with the Princess Bride wifom guy picture was legit bad.

 

You wanna complain because I'm not doing anything. Well guess what? The work is done. Just like it was in American Gods. The wolves are outed. We just need to lynch them now

 

Say again what he lesson learned was from that game?  Specifically what towns should learn?  Probably best relegated to end game...but I have my own thoughts...and right now I'm seeing something similar.

 

 

Towns should learn to sheep AJ and Wombat.  Duh.

 

 

We'll talk after this game...but from as the guy who laid out the plan to victory...you disappoint...guess i need to lower my expectations from you.  

 

BTW.  your scum this game. you know it and now i know it.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Just another post asking her to improve...why post these comments?

 

 

The only reason I was scumreading her was her lack of contribution. If she was town, I wanted her to prove it by improving. I don't see what the issue is here.

 

Looks to me like a scummate taking her to task for reticence.  

 

 

First...unvote

 

Second...your case did not fall apart...in fact it gained steam and the you inexplicably remove your vote...in hindsight of the flip...along with your slip...I'm leaning toward moving my vote this way.

 

 

My case did fall apart. At the point of my unvote, the only thing I had left on them was Leelou's scum list. That wasn't enough IMO. I don't know what you're referring to with it building steam.

 

Your case just garnered two additional votes at which point you peeled off.

 

So pretty Sure the only two people who won't vote sili atm is wombo and heart. Or at least considered it

 

And me.

 

Seph you're completely disregarding that AH as a wolf could shoot elsewhere to "prove" herself.

 

Just because she and Zander both live doesn't mean she's telling the truth.

 

The only way I agree to lynching anyone other than Heart today is if Zander swears to view her.

 

He already did.

 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Wombo's game this day has been horrible IMO

 

First they pushed for Heart lynch, admitting that they weren't reading what she has to say and just bulldozing for her death.

 

Then, after the doc claim, they still want her dead. Even if she is mafia, it should be decided tonight. I don't think she is, and niether so many other people. Your tunneling is not changing my opinion on you.

 

And then the commuter claim. Highly suspicious to claim something that can't be proven, except by kill or cop view.

 

At no point in this game has Wombo been better than null to me. They have been varying degrees of scummy, and are stinking of it right now.

 

I still believe that there is mafia between Heart and Wombo, because of Leelou's list. This is the way to go today. If they aren't mafia, Heart will be resolved tonight anyway.

 

I'm also happy with lynching notbob. The N2 kill is unexplained, unless Dice wants to claim it.

i don't think the tunneling is unwarranted actually. the claimed doc variant is uncommon, and the decision not to protect darthe n1 is bad, and heart's recent posting isn't good either imo.

 

i agree that the commuter role would be convenient for a scum claim, but with han solo it makes a lot of sense, and we know it couldn't be darthe's role because darthe was nkd.

 

 

Could Darthe have been Hans?

[Zander?]

uggh!!!!  Please stick to my game plan!!! please trust me.

[Hallia]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Sili(1): Zander

Heart(3): Sili, WomboCombo, Yates

WomboCombo(1): AielHeart

No Lynch(1): Dice

Talya(1): Eldrick

 

 

Not Voting: Talya, Csarmi, NotBob, Seph

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.  A deadline has been set for Monday, June 29th at 7pm PST.