[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

alannalynn · June 20, 2015

There were several posts iirc of Heart's that she posted to clear up Clov's confusion. I don't see mafia both trying to diffuse a townie lynch train AND staying on a scum partners.

I did half of that. Do I get any botd? :(

I may or may not have mentioned you in my two WoTs summarizing Eod (with vote counts and everything). Why you trying to make yourself look good Sili? :wink:

Clovdyx · June 20, 2015

Leelou thought people would go for Sooh so she went at her for a bit, and then once it didn't seem like the path of least resistance, she just moved on to somebody easier?

That's probably a better way of putting it - so yes.

Looking at Leelou early on her WTL group was Sooh, AH and Seph. I'm leaning more towards thinking she was targeting LHF early on and once Sooh didn't pan out she went for the next easiest target in AH for inactivity reasons. She continued this trend later on when she began to characterize my absence as something alignment indicative.

Maybe. I'll have to check out Sooh, but I was expecting that she'd put some early suspicion on a teammate and Sooh's increase in activity gave her a reason to roll off the teammate she was bussing to one of the townies.

Clovdyx · June 20, 2015

There were several posts iirc of Heart's that she posted to clear up Clov's confusion. I don't see mafia both trying to diffuse a townie lynch train AND staying on a scum partners.

I did half of that. Do I get any botd? :(

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Andrej · June 20, 2015

Leelou thought people would go for Sooh so she went at her for a bit, and then once it didn't seem like the path of least resistance, she just moved on to somebody easier?

That's probably a better way of putting it - so yes.

Looking at Leelou early on her WTL group was Sooh, AH and Seph. I'm leaning more towards thinking she was targeting LHF early on and once Sooh didn't pan out she went for the next easiest target in AH for inactivity reasons. She continued this trend later on when she began to characterize my absence as something alignment indicative.

Maybe. I'll have to check out Sooh, but I was expecting that she'd put some early suspicion on a teammate and Sooh's increase in activity gave her a reason to roll off the teammate she was bussing to one of the townies.

It's possible, I guess. I don't really know enough about Leelou's wolf game to say she'd distance out of the game like that so for now I'm comfortable giving Sooh the benefit of a doubt on it. I have noted some of Sooh's posts that I've liked reading through the game and I think that she's carrying herself well enough - a lot of the stuff I've seen her getting flak over seems to me more like misinterpretations than her actual intent.

Andrej · June 20, 2015

Out of the gate*

alannalynn · June 20, 2015

Andrej makes sense. I like Sooh, I don't like Talya; he brought up some things I didn't like from earlier in the day about Talya; I'll probably case her and Verbane32 at day

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Darthe · June 20, 2015

There were several posts iirc of Heart's that she posted to clear up Clov's confusion. I don't see mafia both trying to diffuse a townie lynch train AND staying on a scum partners.

I did half of that. Do I get any botd? :(

What is this post?

Begging for town credit, surprisingly much more likely to come from a townie who feels underappreciated

Darthe · June 20, 2015

Andrej makes sense. I like Sooh, I don't like Talya; he brought up some things I didn't like from earlier in the day about Talya; I'll probably case her and Verbane32 at day

I'd prefer if you did it now. This townie might not wake up

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I approve of the way this game is being molded by Hally and you. Good work

alannalynn · June 20, 2015

Two posts I liked of Sili's from Eod which came before Heart's posts about what I actually was saying.

Uh.

Laine couldn't have been talking about that summary post because that summary post didn't exist at that point.

sili what were you saying?

that part of clov's case is factually misleading, and the other parts are only applicable depending on if the person is intuitive/analytical. The intuitive sort of person is looking more at the person they're responding to, and the analytical sort is looking at relationships.

(I don't know laine well enough to make a judgement call)

I mean it's not really an inconsistency depending on what she meant.

He ended up voting me anyways, but whatever. I don't know how to help you read me Sili, but I generally mean what I say and am not trying to deceive anyone. For the record, I'm INTJ lol

alannalynn · June 20, 2015

Andrej makes sense. I like Sooh, I don't like Talya; he brought up some things I didn't like from earlier in the day about Talya; I'll probably case her and Verbane32 at day

I'd prefer if you did it now. This townie might not wake up

Hence why I've been trying to get my thoughts out there..

Current reads list as follows... and it's not really sorted, but the general groupings are there

Towns: Zander Shad Dice Durin Heart Eldrick

Kinda towns: Sili Sooh Clov Seph

Null/WTF: Wombrej Csarmi

Kinda scummy: Notbob Talya

Scums: Yates VerbalThane

Darthe · June 20, 2015

Cool love that list of reads

alannalynn · June 21, 2015

Cool love that list of reads

There's a first time for everything.

I'll be starting with Verbane, since I already ISOd them before, it shouldn't take long to go through their posts :rolleyes:

Clovdyx · June 21, 2015

That Yates one sticks out. I don't think he's been around at all since I tagged in, and I don't remember seeing anybody else say much about him one way or another. What's the reasoning for that one?

Sili Quirrels · June 21, 2015

There were several posts iirc of Heart's that she posted to clear up Clov's confusion. I don't see mafia both trying to diffuse a townie lynch train AND staying on a scum partners.
I did half of that. Do I get any botd? :(

What is this post?

Begging for town credit, surprisingly much more likely to come from a townie who feels underappreciated

I know I'm unlikely to get it, and I know in the scheme of things it doesn't really matter. *shrug*

alannalynn · June 21, 2015

That Yates one sticks out. I don't think he's been around at all since I tagged in, and I don't remember seeing anybody else say much about him one way or another. What's the reasoning for that one?

Possibly the fact that I haven't seen him around. I did ISO him early this morning before I went to bed and that's where he ended up. My notes say he hasn't been actively trying to game solve and a mention of Leelou but I don't know what I meant by that. I'll have to go back to see what I meant. I think it's a combination of that and PoE at this point, but I could also be mis placing him down there in the scum list.

Darthe · June 21, 2015

Yates reads is one of the things I like it. Totally out of left field and understandable to have a negative read on

Andrej · June 21, 2015

I didn't actually expect it to take up my entire Saturday reading this thread. I'm pg 87 now and stopping for another MQ, gonna have to leave soon to take Oliver to the vet for a preliminary check up.

darthe, why me over the others?

I gave reasons just now but honestly I think you've got the highest chance of being a wolf still. IDK this town sucks so bad that everyone on that list needs to die.

I've given you credit for doing good *for you* but that's the sort of thing that can be coached. You just don't stack up dude, sorry if you're town. I really wanted you to be but don't see where else we can go and tbf I think you'd eventually get lynched anyhow.

This post doesn't add up with a later one you made about Seph not being a good lynch. Why you spinning so much?

All the people on your train I have at least a slightly town read on. Your good posts are safe objective posts and your reads aren't really prevalent or existent.

Salami has a claim and doggedness going for him I don't think he can manage as wolf.

Dice prob wouldn't even think to try and actually square off with me as a wolf since it's a death sentence 9/10 of the time.

Talya has potential but i've got no read on her, just a few impressions that basically equate to null.

Maw I've got a thin + read on.

Notbob is doing his thing but idk it doesn't stand out to me here.

AH has low content and it's meh but I was able to easily create a train on her. She really hasn't done anything to pull the attention she got and I liked a couple of her reads.

Verb/Thane really deserve more heat and people are adamantly ignoring that each time I say it.

You've had a stagnant wagon all day and made a couple of good posts.

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I h8 u all

Decent points made here though, I'll give you that. I like the point about AH becoming an easy train despite her lack of thread presence.

darthe I am looking at tayla through a couple of posts atm. I just isod her/

had a quick look on Dice in the last couple of games I was in and it seems to me Dice as wolf, comments more about people rather than to them, and doesn't say so much when he posts, and more fluff posts. So this would make me lean town on his posts here.

I don't see wolf tayla going back to find evidence, or even faking this post here.
I also like her posts on zander, and her reads in general after looking over them.

I would like to hear a current reads list, as she left me off her first one, even though talking about me through half of it, but I am feeling better about her now.

Why not? Even wolves had to provide evidence for their reads.

Shad reads like an Alanna alt. Very logical/dispassionate. He's going to be a tough read.

Holy crap! I forgot Lainey was in this game! What's up, chica? I'm on page 54. Hopefully I see some good posting, yes?

Not a huge fan of these posts. Shad is coming across pretty clearly to me and I think Laine has some really sharp posts ITT. Idk, maybe Yates is just behind or really busy and not paying attention but this series doesn't look good imo.

I don't wanna be awake right now, but I'm past the point of being asleep.

Reading the thread on my phone isn't good enough anymore cuz I can't multiquote, and my brain isntaining everything I want to respond to.

Time to go back and continue reading.

something that stuck out so far was Sooh saying it was a good idea to lynch AH because she wouldn't be a useful towny later. This was really really bad. As town, you don't want to lynch other town for any reason. If you suspect them of being town, or at the very least don't suspect them of being scum, you shouldn't want to lynch them.

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[v]Sooh[/v]

Very wolfy behanvior.

Now, back to reading.

I get where you're coming from here but I think you (and others) are investing a bit much in Sooh's statement. Maybe I am just giving her too much leniency for the stance but I don't think it would be taken more frequently as either alignment.

@Eldrick - she is still a villager.

Tend to agree with this.

[v]Notbob[/v]

Seph's probably town, and I like Wombat enough so far to chalk his vote up to a bad read.

I don't wanna be awake right now, but I'm past the point of being asleep.

Reading the thread on my phone isn't good enough anymore cuz I can't multiquote, and my brain isntaining everything I want to respond to.

Time to go back and continue reading.

something that stuck out so far was Sooh saying it was a good idea to lynch AH because she wouldn't be a useful towny later. This was really really bad. As town, you don't want to lynch other town for any reason. If you suspect them of being town, or at the very least don't suspect them of being scum, you shouldn't want to lynch them.

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[v]Sooh[/v]

Very wolfy behanvior.

Now, back to reading.

Eldrick's probably town here.

Dice doing dumb things

Salami doing dumb things

everyone clearing everyone and starting over

flagrant abuse of statistics

fearmongering

emo breakdowns

a Mynd sighting

this game's got it all man

I can't help but notice the two people you singled out for doing dumb things are voting you. Correlation or no?

I think this string of posts by Clov, good entrance imo.

That makes 2 of us.

Darthe, I typically don't change my reads unless I see something to change them. Wombat is starting to trend down.

Alannalynn
Csarmi
Durin
Zander
Eldrick
Yates
Clov
Dice

Talya

Leelou

Sili
WomboCombo

Thaneballs32
NotBob
Sooh (Mentored by Pizza)
Aiel <3
Shad (BFG)

this is were I am currently.
[v] notbob [/v]

glad I can be your fallback wombat...
wombat why do you think I am mafia?

I don't hate your NotBob vote here, but generally I'm not a huge fan of your bottom 5. Keeping Shad was your bottom for what I assume is omgus reasons are pretty stale - a lot of progression has been made since he voted you on pg ~6 or whatever for him to still be there for that reasoning.

I've already explained that like 34574 times. You earned my suspicion your approach to Durin and your lack of scum reads. Since then, you haven't done much to improve my opinion. Your current bottom pile are low posters and Shad (who I have as a town lean).

Wombat's on it.

Fair enough.

Sili it's cool man, I'd rather have a good way to read you.

@ALL, I highly suggest that you read Thane's ISO. It's not long, a page and a half, but in it you'll see this theme of Thane doing nothing other than joking and half-heartedly tossing out thoughts, most of which don't even have a sense of direction.

I'll try and pull a couple of things from the Verb ISO.

Standard Thane imo. I've lost count of the number of times I've lynched him for that crap.

Also agree with this. I had Verb looking villagery earlier but without much more from him or Thane I would trend them back down to null I think.

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[v]Leelou[/v]

Why

Because GOAT.

Because it's uninspired and seems out of your range this game. I didn't know you had thoughts on her.

I don't really.

I did though.

alannalynn · June 21, 2015

Yates reads is one of the things I like it. Totally out of left field and understandable to have a negative read on

My read also may be due to the fact that from the games I've read of him in it, he's been really different than he is here and now. I was town reading him in all of those games, but right now I just can't do it.

Darthe · June 21, 2015

That's okay. I'm a pretty good Yates reader and disagree but it's purely meta

Clovdyx · June 21, 2015

Yates reads is one of the things I like it. Totally out of left field and understandable to have a negative read on

Just based on a quick skim of his reads, and I don't think any of his are particularly out of left field. Town on Csarmi and Seph, null on Notbob and maybe Shad, mafia on you (well Turin, more accurately). None of those look so far off they jump out to me.

The only thing that really stood out was a seeming town read on Zander and then supporting Talya's "case" on Zander (IRT Csarmi's claim). I don't feel strongly about Talya's post at all, other than there's no reason NOT to discuss the claim, I suppose. So it's kinda off that Yates would suddenly change his tune on Zander?

Clovdyx · June 21, 2015

Not sure what your meta take on him is, but I don't really have any good tells for him. Maybe his mafia game is slightly cleaner than his town game?

alannalynn · June 21, 2015

That's okay. I'm a pretty good Yates reader and disagree but it's purely meta

I uber hate using meta alone to place people in this game. I don't know why you people do it.

Yates reads is one of the things I like it. Totally out of left field and understandable to have a negative read on

Just based on a quick skim of his reads, and I don't think any of his are particularly out of left field. Town on Csarmi and Seph, null on Notbob and maybe Shad, mafia on you (well Turin, more accurately). None of those look so far off they jump out to me.

The only thing that really stood out was a seeming town read on Zander and then supporting Talya's "case" on Zander (IRT Csarmi's claim). I don't feel strongly about Talya's post at all, other than there's no reason NOT to discuss the claim, I suppose. So it's kinda off that Yates would suddenly change his tune on Zander?

This. It may help that I have a scum read on Talya for some of her actions. She seems to be misrepping a lot and that bothers me; plus turning a comment I made on Andrej's activity level into something that could indicate alignment. That, and pushing Zander who is a clear townie, imo

Clovdyx · June 21, 2015

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