House of Cards

[Kaylee]

 

 

1. I expect Villagers to try and figure each other out. Nothing to do with special attention.

 

2. This is all true - other people Village better than I do and I do get froze up as wolf because I wait for likely thread consensus to choose a single target and then come up with a solid case that shows my view/steers my interaction in the thread.

I have not been doing any of that here.

 

3. I have peeked my head out here more than I ever do as Wolf. Start talking about my current game.

 

4. Yes. Hello.

 

 

 

When all a player cares about is pushing suspicion on others, I find it wolfy. This is another example of that, to me.

 

 

I kinda like this reply.

Me too, esp the last part. Still not sure on her.

[Leelou]

Darthe Comedy Hour, $5 admission, amazingly all seats are still available.

 

 

I'll be running a rotten tomato stand, $2 per

 

After my morning, I'll take a ticket and 10 tomatoes. 

 

Catching up now, might get interrupted by boarding and take-off though. 

[Kaylee]

Cass real time interaction is way more valuable than catching up.

 

Then again so is a random peek but I'm prob a wolf for saying those objective facts. What do I know?

 

Ffs

I disagree, i think they're both important.

[Kaylee]

 

 

Nyn am I going crazy???

 

I feel like village should always win this game but I keep getting weird sinking feelings

You're not crazy. I've been going back and forth on Cass myself because she's a tricky read. She has posts I like and posts I dislike. But I still think Sooh looks a lot worse, wheres I think Cass reacted better to ressure. Dice is in the PoE basically and hasn't contributed anything to the game, but he did say he would be away. So I rather see what he has to say (I think he said he was going to be more active today?).

That's where I'm at on Cass.

[Cass]

Found them.

 

Cass let's try this differently. Gonna need you to step it up if you're a villager so hone in on me here.

Respond to everything in two lines or less (apiece).

1. WhaT is your objective?

2. Who. Are your targets, based on your reads?


3. In brief, why? A sentence for each at most plz

4. CDV yourself, me and Wombat?
5. CDV me, Sooh and leelou

 

 

 

1. Lynch wolves

 

2. Today? Best lynch target probably Sooh unless something changes or someone makes an obvious slip before EoD. Most likely wolves/next best general targets - everyone else I'm considering possibly scummy or need more information on, particularly you, AJ, Clov, Cory, Wombat, Leelou, Verb.

 

3.

Sooh 

- Because she's pinging me as wolfy and compared to the other players I'm finding wolfy, she is someone I've recently been thinking I can correctly read/understand when she says confusing/potentially wolfy things as Town. I don't buy her 'I'm trying something new/was just shaking things up' defence and I don't like that she switched to that from brushing suspicion off with 'I was joking' and 'I usually get found wolfy'. The switch feels like too much of a wolfy contradiction to me. 

 

Darthe - Basically the things I found off in early game: pushing so hard for the early Seer cover, downplaying the wolf-advantage of inaccurate cover,  attitude/tone in first response to me, and even at this stage the early vote on Sooh. 

 

AJ - I don't like how he hinted at a scum lean on you early but didn't immediately post it, the way he retracted it later or the way he decided in his reads to ignore that early suspicion with the suggestion that numerically you're probably Town. Also don't like his quick vote on me early.

Clov - Early Nyn push felt wishy-washy, not sure if he's genuinely reading me or using TMI, feel like he defended me a little too hard against Cory early on, followed Nyn's points about his shift from me to Dice.

 

Cory - If I'm being realistic this mostly comes down to attitude/tone and not knowing how he plays a game. I feel he's been pushing others a lot without providing reasons and I don't like the attitude of FoSing people and then not bothering to read what they say/openly discrediting them without encouraging legitimate interaction (eg. AJ/me/Clov). I don't like the way he jumped on me as Wolfy providing biased evidence and basically only talked about my previous games.

 

Wombat -  Early gut tone felt overly ambiguous, later attitude is flippant and I'm getting vibes somewhat similar to when we played together as wolf. Can't explain it better than that right now.

 

Leelou - Weirdness with Verbal early in the game, lack of thread presence since then, seemingly opportunistic perspective of me. Feel like it comes more from thread consensus read than actual read of me this game.

 

Verbal - Don't recall much of him from early game and that seems strange, recent posts feel like he's angling rather than solving. So far that's all I've got.

 

4.

Cop Wombat, Doc me, Vig you

Cop You, Doc Leelou, Vig Sooh.

 

Yes, that took a long time, no it's not alignment indicative or even entirely game related.

[Kaylee]

 

 

@Nyn I think Cass says the right things in the wrong way a lot and Is doing that incredibly anxious paranoid thing she does. It makes it difficult to treat any of this as alignment indicative but I'm not quite sure how to get what I'm looking for out of her here. Thoughts?

I only played with TownCass once and that was her first game here. I think she very easily digs herself into holes she can't get out of because of how paranoid she gets and how inflated her posts are. It just comes across like she's trying to fluff up her posts. A lot of rambling and so on.

 

In the game I mentored her she was scum and actually did a descent job at shortening her posts and getting to the point. Which is why I'm somewhat surprised to see her going back to her WoTs. I'm not really sure what that means. With that said, I just reread our mentor/mintee QT and she was panicking because she couldn't think up reasons to FoS people. She couldn't think up reasons to town read people. She often stayed away from the thread because she didn't know what to say and her constant question to me was what could she to to appear townie!?!

 

All of this translated to a very rigid Cass on thread imo. I've ISOed her, and I don't think I see it here... I don't feel like she's that invested in how she comes across. She seems more focused at giving out her thoughts. Now, she's nervous as both alignments, mind. As town she's nervous she might be wrong. As scum she's nervous about getting caught. So she's never really relaxed. But I do feel like her FoSes and reads aren't forced (regardless of whether I agree with them or not). I do think that as scum it would have been easier for her to go for Sooh, who was getting attention from early on...maybe dice. Instead her suspect list contained a bunch of conensus-y town leans. Like I said earlier.... I find it a bit hard to believe that at this stage she would have the stomach to do that. More so if scum don't have communication during the day.

 

If she managed to build up her confidence to the point where she would pull off something like that.... hats off to her. She fooled me.

That's actually a really good point. Ok for now I'm willing to look elsewhere.

[Leelou]

@Cass - in case you missed it, I've been on vacation in Las Vegas and am on my way home now. So...catch up is coming. And thread presence. 

[Cass]

1. Cass real time interaction is way more valuable than catching up.

 

2. Then again so is a random peek but I'm prob a wolf for saying those objective facts. What do I know?

 

3. Ffs

 

1. I see benefits to both. I'm more comfortable taking my time, but I am placing a higher importance this game on real-time interaction than I ever have before.

2. If I'm the Seer, you'll get my peek closer to the EoD. Why the sarcasm?

3. Unnecessary. If you're frustrated enough to type something, flesh it out to prove the frustration's real and work towards nutting it out.

 

 

Cass I put boxing gloves away already babe, the bell rung

Live to spar another day then? *g*

 

 

Darthe did you become more like me

 

Or did I become more like you?

 

Either way I'm terrified

I lol'd. 

 

 

Nyn am I going crazy???

 

I feel like village should always win this game but I keep getting weird sinking feelings

 

You're not crazy. I've been going back and forth on Cass myself because she's a tricky read. She has posts I like and posts I dislike. But I still think Sooh looks a lot worse, wheres I think Cass reacted better to ressure. Dice is in the PoE basically and hasn't contributed anything to the game, but he did say he would be away. So I rather see what he has to say (I think he said he was going to be more active today?). 

 

Agree with Dice being in the PoE and wanting to see what he has to say.

He won't be home until our afternoon though, which is after EoD.

[Nynaeve]

I think the idea of you responding in real time stems from the way you operate, Cass. Given the time, you can usually produce a good post as either alignment. Talking in real time puts you on the spot and forces you to answer then and there thereby helping in reading you better. I think that's what Darthe and Cory are getting at.

[Darthe]

 

Cass real time interaction is way more valuable than catching up.

 

Then again so is a random peek but I'm prob a wolf for saying those objective facts. What do I know?

 

Ffs

I disagree, i think they're both important.

 

Of course they are but RTI is generally more valuable.  See Nyn's 909 for why.

[Kaylee]

Caught up but don't have time to ISO.

 

Player list and thoughts without going back through everyone...

 

 

Wwwwombat- not sure. One of the ones I need to ISO

 

Songstress- waiting to hear those reads.

 

Verbal32- I've liked some is what he's said... Leaning town

 

Cory- an ISO won't help here... you've fooled me as wolf and sorry but don't think I'd ever trust you, even with a town peek and no GF role.

 

Leelou- waiting to hear from. Travel safe!

 

Darthe- another I need to ISO.

 

Cass- Don't trust though Nyn has made good points to the fact this slot is likely town.

 

Andrej- need to ISO, I'm leary of him. He's also fooled me before, and I knew his alignment in that game! Very tricky but have liked some things such as saying wait to EOD for seer cover.

 

Sooh- doesn't look good will be voting here.

 

Kaylee- town

 

dicetosser- haven't liked the lack of content.

 

Clovdyx- need to ISO. Another tricky one.

 

Bewbs McGee (town as per my peek)

[Kaylee]

I think the idea of you responding in real time stems from the way you operate, Cass. Given the time, you can usually produce a good post as either alignment. Talking in real time puts you on the spot and forces you to answer then and there thereby helping in reading you better. I think that's what Darthe and Cory are getting at.

Darthe if you mean this post I agree. I just meant in order to get an accurate read on someone it's better to be caught up as well.

 

Anyway I need ti take care of something then I'll be back. I'd like to look at those ISO'S i mentioned before I vote. If I don't have time before deadline then I'll be voting Sooh.

[Darthe]

Cass you have eight suspects in a 13 player game.  That's crap.  Stop WIFOMing yourself, drop the rampant paranoia and flagrant use of your gut and come back to me with three reads.  Make them valuable.  And if you want to include me in your list provide something to argue against.  That you disagree about things you're not experienced with but won't argue the merit of doesn't equate to valid suspicion, nor does me pushing my strongest wolf read who you happen to also lean scum on.

 

I'm going to take this moment to respond to 908, specifically the response to ffs.  

 

 

You're being annoying and difficult.  

 

[Cass]

 

@Nyn I think Cass says the right things in the wrong way a lot and Is doing that incredibly anxious paranoid thing she does. It makes it difficult to treat any of this as alignment indicative but I'm not quite sure how to get what I'm looking for out of her here. Thoughts?

 

I only played with TownCass once and that was her first game here. I think she very easily digs herself into holes she can't get out of because of how paranoid she gets and how inflated her posts are. It just comes across like she's trying to fluff up her posts. A lot of rambling and so on.

 

In the game I mentored her she was scum and actually did a descent job at shortening her posts and getting to the point. Which is why I'm somewhat surprised to see her going back to her WoTs. I'm not really sure what that means. With that said, I just reread our mentor/mintee QT and she was panicking because she couldn't think up reasons to FoS people. She couldn't think up reasons to town read people. She often stayed away from the thread because she didn't know what to say and her constant question to me was what could she to to appear townie!?!

 

All of this translated to a very rigid Cass on thread imo. I've ISOed her, and I don't think I see it here... I don't feel like she's that invested in how she comes across. She seems more focused at giving out her thoughts. Now, she's nervous as both alignments, mind. As town she's nervous she might be wrong. As scum she's nervous about getting caught. So she's never really relaxed. But I do feel like her FoSes and reads aren't forced (regardless of whether I agree with them or not). I do think that as scum it would have been easier for her to go for Sooh, who was getting attention from early on...maybe dice. Instead her suspect list contained a bunch of conensus-y town leans. Like I said earlier.... I find it a bit hard to believe that at this stage she would have the stomach to do that. More so if scum don't have communication during the day.

 

If she managed to build up her confidence to the point where she would pull off something like that.... hats off to her. She fooled me.

 

 

I actually thought I was doing a good job of not doing/simplifying my WoTs... lol.

 

 

 

Nyn sounds like we had the same mentoring experience.  She was a wolf when I mentored her, most of our time was spent alleviating paranoia and creating shorter, more concise posts.

 

Is it weird to take the stance that Cass has low direct odds of being either alignment but I think they're lower to be wolf than town still?  

 

I know for a fact that Leelou intimidates Cass as a player. So do I. Both you and Clov mentored her and know her inner working more than most people would...... for her to pull out a suspect list of Lee, Clov, you, me... and Kaylee, who's been very townie thus far...... I don't see her doing that as a scum without her head exlpoding and anxiety shooting all over the place. Not without hardcore drugs in the mix.

 

I know this is basically a meta read but that's part of why I'd lynch Sooh over her. Plus Sooh just pings me more.

 

We chat, but Clov hasn't actually mentored me. 

 

 

@Cass  No offense hon <3   lol

None taken. I really hope you really are Town here <3

 

 

 

 

@Cass-

 

I know you've posted some reads, but from the hip:  who are your top 3 wolves?

 

Wolfiest to me right now?

 

Probably Cory, AJ, Darthe. 

 

Willing to admit there is a probably a good deal of OMGUS here, especially in relation to Cory cos, recency and OMGUS.

 

This remains a downright pitiful set of reads.  Two of the towniest and most active posters in the game and someone who had been dead opposed to one of your top wolf reads, a person who you've posted endless reiterations vaguely wolfy content about.

 

 

So? These reads probably are wrong. That doesn't mean they definitely are. If they're wrong it doesn't mean I'm Wolf. It's ok to be wrong. How many times did you have to tell me that? Verb asked me where I was at from the hip. I gave it to him. You want perfect game solve? Wait til I peek everybody or we get closer to end of game and give me time to pull together all the millions of tiny pieces. 

 

If it really bothers you at this point and you want to discuss it further, be specific about who you're referring to and where you think I've 'posted endless reiterations' of 'vaguely wolfy content' about. Otherwise, if you're going to continue commenting in a way that only makes me feel bad for putting my opinions out there, accept that you're only likely to cement the wolfy feel I get from you in these sorts of posts, however vague, and move on.

 

Just note that if you do elaborate right now I won't be replying to it until later. I'm hitting my wall and need to get to sleep. Setting my sights on replying to the current end of game (p.46). Stop posting, maybe I can get to there and feel like I've personally achieved something this game :P

[Darthe]

Yeah, it's alright to be wrong.  I continue to advocate that opinion.  That is different from actively maintaining beliefs you think are likely to be wrong or from acting on the basis that you are wrong.  Neither of those are beneficial and you can't figure things out if you can't distinguish the 75% from the 25%.  

 

I'm not going to spend a lot of time casing you atm tbh.  I want more from you but the onus is on you to show yourself as a townie.  Threatening to wolf read me means nothing to me, I actually invite it.  

 

Oh, and opinions would be wonderful and valid.  You have beliefs.  Had you read all of the posts in this thread objectively instead of looking for whatever odd angle someone could be pushing (essentially giving those people credit for some sort of undefined deceptive ability they probably don't possess) I don't see how you could maintain over half of your reads.  What it looks like is you suspect anyone who plays a LOUD game.  I'll provide just one example that I can recall.

[Yates]

Votecount 1.5

 

Sooh: Darthe, Bewbs McGee, dicetosser1, WWWwombat

Cass: Andrej, cory caboose

dicetosser1: Clovdyx

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Deadline is just under 6 hours from this post:

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

Stopping after page 11 but I would say it's very likely that Wombat/Verb/Cass/Sooh/Dice/Clov contains 2+ wolves

 

I will give you a better and more concise list later but right now those are the people I am most wary of

 

These sorts of posts/reads bother me Cory - how am I supposed to work out if your motivation for putting wolf suggestions out is more Town than Scum if you don't provide the reasons why/encourage more discussion?

Like... you know my MO as a villager by now. My biggest problem with you is this whole perma-catchup, avoid real time shenanigans and the fact that while you are asking questions A) most of them are inane and B) I don't think they are questions you legitimately care about the answer to! Which has always been something I've jotted as wolfy for you. You overplay your "tinfoil" - ie it seems this game your top wolf suspects are people that are not gonna get lynched anytime soon, absolving you of a need to get involved closer to EOD.

 

I would think you flip wolf like 75%+ percent of the time here. Am I wrong?

 

 

It will be interesting to see if your opinion changes after the post/reads list I just made. You are wrong, I flip Town here 100% of the time.

 

Part of what's bugging me about you is your push that I'm wolfy in this game without you even trying to see where I'm coming from as Town. I do not know your MO as a villager by now. I've only played that one mash with you and I don't think that counts. I've never had in game experience with you and the most of what I know about your meta from discussions is that you generally make good reads and do well at hunting down wolves. I've never seen how you do it for myself. Here I was trying to give you insight into what I'm actually looking for and how I hunt, and you give me nothing back but generalised suggestions about things that potentially make me wolf. If that's your in game MO, fine - but don't expect me to believe it's something you wouldn't do equally as wolf.

 

Like Darthe, if you're Town it actually annoys me that you think/are pushing that I should be doing something different already as Town. Why do you think this?  I have survived exactly one Town game to the end and it was my first. I have had personal discussions with you about this and you never really seem to get where I'm actually at, so I can see you suggesting the same thing as Town, but I find it incredibly frustrating, and again - in game it's not something I would put past either of you to use as Wolf against me, because it works. How am I even supposed to address your points A) and B) other than tell you that I'm actually doing my best here? What are you hoping to achieve through that other than overtly discrediting my attempts and overall style as wolfy? How does this ever not equate, in my Town mind, to something making you more likely wolf?

 

I don't know what else to do about this. I've repeatedly said I want/need a mentor as Town. I'm not joking, and I am not 'overplaying my tinfoil'. I am perpetually stuck in perma-catchup and have no idea how to glean valuable information from real-time interactions and it bugs the hell out of me because I know it's holding back my play. Until I break that barrier (and I'm trying!) I'm going to be stuck doing what I'm doing: combining gut feels on certain players and their possible motivations and the inconsistencies I find when combing through their posts. I am the first to admit this works terribly in the early game, especially when I'm slow.

 

If you actually want specific questions answered by me or specific opinions from me to help you figure out my alignment more, if something genuinely confuses you about my tone or behaviour, all you have to do is ask. This is what I've been waiting for you to do. This is how I expected Town Cory to play with Town Cass. All you have done so far is judge me on your too-high expectations of me, point your finger and give examples of eye-glazing posts I've made in this game, and in my first game as wolf. Notably, to me, you didn't even analyse the differences between those two posts, or bother to search for the very similar posts I made in my one game as Town - Why? How am I wrong in finding the potential for the motivation behind that to be wolfy here quite large? FTR, the answer to this question does matter to me, either way. 

 

 

I read this post.  Kinda liked it.

 

Some players like to read people primarily through real-time interactions.  I'm not one of those, but I will admit that there is a lot of utility in it, so Cory's request is legit.  Also, I don't personally think you've ever needed a mentor.

[WWWwombat]

 

Verbal one day I'll tell you the story of CRUNKUS, the wolf master of AtE

 

We'll compare notes to the master of AtE I'm familiar with, the VicGod.

 

 

I'm still emotionally scarred by that time I lost to fusion at three-way.  Of course, they were town that time.

[WWWwombat]

Oh it's Tress

 

Noooooooo don't be a wolf Tress

 

Move Tress up a tier and wombat down and flag me as slightly biased if necessary

 

Comfortable voting Sooh or dice today

 

Yeah I'm seriously disappointed in Tress so far, but it seems like she's dealing with RL so I'm waiting =\

[Cass]

Spoilered because they're realistically not really relevant, but I liked these and I lol'd 

 

 

 

 

 

869 is probably the simple truth.  Blegh, Cass, do better.

 

AND STOP RESPONDING TO THINGS FROM TEN PAGES AGO.  I asked questions because I want you to talk to me.  

 

This caught my eye. I haven't seen your questions. I am two pages back. 

 

That is pretty much as current as I ever get because I do read every post. Stop telling me to do better and appreciate the fact that I'm not still analysing/replying to stuff people addressed to me before page 30 - eg. Kaylee. Also, it's 2:14am and I'm slow at the best of times, cut me some slack.

 

NOPE

 

Skip it, talk to me.  I'm not asking, I'm a bossy person.  Your comfort zone helps you hide better.

 

 

 

Cass, my super married pal, I don't need you to critically analyze and weigh out all possible tangential implications of every word.  I just want to talk.

 

 

What did the green grape say to the purple grape?

 

Breathe you idiot!

 

 

 

 

 

I think the idea of you responding in real time stems from the way you operate, Cass. Given the time, you can usually produce a good post as either alignment. Talking in real time puts you on the spot and forces you to answer then and there thereby helping in reading you better. I think that's what Darthe and Cory are getting at.

And these are very real points, Towny points. For that reason I have no problem with anybody pushing me to interact more in real time as Town, regardless of how unnatural it seems to me in a game where my objective/preference is to study long-term contradictions and catch out clever wolves. 

 

 

Cass you have eight suspects in a 13 player game.  That's crap.  Stop WIFOMing yourself, drop the rampant paranoia and flagrant use of your gut and come back to me with three reads.  Make them valuable.  And if you want to include me in your list provide something to argue against.  That you disagree about things you're not experienced with but won't argue the merit of doesn't equate to valid suspicion, nor does me pushing my strongest wolf read who you happen to also lean scum on.

 

I'm going to take this moment to respond to 908, specifically the response to ffs.  

 

 

You're being annoying and difficult.  

 

 

Again, I'm not deliberately being annoying. I know I'm not Towning to the top standard but again it's unrealistic of you to expect/push that that's where I should be right now, and considering the lineup I don't see why you would expect the Wolves to be overly easy for me to find.

 

What do you mean by the bold?

 

I understand the fors and againsts of Seer cover even if I'm not experienced in reading or leaving it in game - and I've put forward my stance on the merits/disadvantages of leaving it at different times. 

I have no problem that Sooh is your strongest wolf read at this stage. I happen to have disagreed with you on that read early on, and I still have a lot less confidence in my read of her than you're suggesting you do and apart from your general mafia experience, that seems strange, considering I talk to her outside of games and I've played a lot recently with her too. 

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Wolfy:

 

Darthe - forceful on early Seer cover, ?explanation in post #54, both defending/distancing from Nyn, 'pre-vote' /overly hard push on Sooh

Why is any of the bold wolfy?  Ignore the part about Nyn for purposes of your response, please.  Just comment on the Seer cover and the push on Sooh.  What of that was wolfy?

 

 

I've explained the Darthe and Seer cover thing in response to Clov here (See the last two paragraphs of the intro and the final spoiler if you missed it). 

Basically it's not the Seer cover itself I find wolfy, it's the way Darthe made posting it early such a big thing and simultaneously admitted/downplayed the potential for incorrect early cover to be more beneficial to Scum trying to find the real Seer. Basically the concern is a potential role-fishing push to encourage a higher percentage of incorrect cover.

 

The Darthe on Sooh push felt wolfy because:

 

1. Darthe was the first to vote and the vote felt overly eager - He voted in the 'stumping' phase, where votes didn't count, and when questioned brushed it off as 'pre-vote' for the day, which didn't feel sincere;

 

 

Day 1 Starts at 9PM EST and will last 48 hours:

 

You may now begin stumping.  Day does not start until 9:00PM EST.  Votes will not count during the stump period.  This is a good time to make alliances and grease palms...

 

/snip

 

 

/snip

[v] Sooh [/v]

 

 

Pre-voting for day Leelou

 

 

 

2. I disagreed with the generalisations that went with the vote and there was otherwise no specific reasons given or effort at interaction made:

 

/Snip

However, I think Sooh is definitely wolfing this round.  She is usually a pretty pure townie.  [v] Sooh [/v]

 

Sooh has been repeatedly pushed as not Townie early on in all the games I've played recently with her, so I completely disagree with the rationalisation that she's 'usually a pretty pure townie'.

This was all the involvement Sooh had in the game up until that vote, none of it seems investigative on Darthe's behalf, and none of it  feels decidedly off for Sooh's early game, enough to vote, to me:

 

 

 

Hi everyone! 

 

I will be scarce Thursday because I have an exam, and Friday because I'm overseeing someone else's exam. Other than that I should be fine 

 

Happy visits to Vegas, Leelou! Sounds fun!

 

 

Lol I already love this game. 

 

 

 

 

I'm a little sad Cory isn't showering me with love, but I guess I'll deal with it...

 

 

Weee!!!! Happy now! 

 

 

 

I'm still gonna lunch you though  

 

 

Ok.. warning accepted, Cory.

 

 

 

I'm a little sad Cory isn't showering me with love, but I guess I'll deal with it...

Prob a slightly wolfy intro

 

AJ I have read your soul and found it needs more content

 

 

 

 

Wombat, Cass, Dice scumteam.

Soulread?

 

Or is it just the Aussie theme?

 

 

 

 

**snip**

 

I'm pretty okay at mafia sometimes, Sooh, but I don't think I can soulread people who haven't posted.   

 

Yeah... I suppose even you can't... Oh well... 

 

 

 

 

 

This post, as an example, states something that you've run with for the entire time that you've had me as a wolf read.  You're not basing your read of me on my actions, you're basing it on your beliefs of what I meant by my actions and your interpretations of my play.  

 

You disagree about early seer cover despite having limited/no real experience with it.  Okay then, what about my push for it makes me more likely to be a wolf?  You didn't like it or that you believe it's likely to pan out worse for the town?  Differing philosophies doesn't equate to wolfiness.

 

What's wrong with voting quickly?  If I had waited would it have made me more town?  "Brushing it off" was similarly a judgement, not something based in what I did but in your impression of me.  Same with insincere.

 

I voted without giving a reason you approve of and that is wolfy somehow?  How?  I gave a reason, it worked and I had provided content related to the lynch earlier which you disregard and even scoff at as evidenced in 1.  If this is somehow a wolf tell you're going to loathe every experienced or knowledgeable player forever.

 

I tend to read Sooh quite well, the exception being a time that she was an SK.  She plays a very newbie oriented game but she also posts exactly like one.  Here she's clearly doing differently.  Again I have to point out that you don't have issue with what I say, you have issue with your paranoid interpretation of my statements.  

 

 

This is how much I can show in one post.  I wouldn't go through all of this effort if I didn't think that you could be a townie here and that you're frankly mismanaging your game.  There has to be a limit to the amount that you allow yourself to WIFOM the meaning and content of a post and accept that sometimes when someone says something, most of the time actually, they mean exactly what they say.  A good part of that is even in interpreting what they mean when they say something that doesn't seem quite right.  

 

Read, Assess, Classify, Categorize, Review

 

We need an acronym for this.  RACCR isn't very good.  

[Darthe]

Have we made it far enough to argue about counterwagons and stale trains and majority factors and WIFOM of dubious natures yet guys?

[WWWwombat]

Uhh tough to explain.  

 

We know that Cass is 100% town or wolf.

 

If you asked me the odds of her being a wolf here I'd say like 35%

 

If you asked me the odds of her being town I'd say like 55%.

 

That doesn't equal 100% wth Darthe brain stop being dumb?

 

But that's where I am.

 

Just up it to 100 and give us a confidence interval, you goofball.

[WWWwombat]

I feel like I lose mental power every time I read people telling Cass to try harder and then read Cass telling them that she is.  Obviously there is a disconnect here.  Someone needs to blink, and I think it needs to be Cass.

[Darthe]

I feel like I lose mental power every time I read people telling Cass to try harder and then read Cass telling them that she is.  Obviously there is a disconnect here.  Someone needs to blink, and I think it needs to be Cass.

Well you can't say work smarter, she is obviously thinking about things.

 

Wait, maybe that's it.

 

CASS, THINK LESS.  YOU'RE THINKING WAY TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS %&$^