A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Niniel]

For rb - Dice and Hally. 

[Yates]

I don´t understand.

You don't have to. And I'm not explaining it since the whole point was that I don't plan on explaining it because it shouldn't be a thing even though it's a thing.

 

Read her using your own tool set - is what I'm trying to say.

[Leelou]

Tired and town. Sorry. :(

 

Starting to doubt this. 

[Leelou]

I'm seriously starting to think EP and I are the last 2 townies left. O_o

[Leelou]

Oh, and Eldrick. 

[Gabriel Kross]

 

And you friend are mafia, might as well admit it, I'm on to you.

Too late to save Verb but at least you guys are finally picking up what Yates 1.0 and Yates 2.0 were putting down.

 

I would shoot Hally and AJ without blinking.

 

I had suspicions on Hallia before the Verb thing I called her out on the reactions she had to your this or that scenario.

[Leelou]

EP, can we have a little heart-to-heart. 

 

Why do you think I'm scum? 

[Gabriel Kross]

EP, can we have a little heart-to-heart. 

 

Why do you think I'm scum? 

because I don't trust you.

[Leelou]

 

EP, can we have a little heart-to-heart. 

 

Why do you think I'm scum? 

because I don't trust you.

 

 

Well, you need to. Okay, my double voting. Do you really think that is a scum power? 

[Andrej]

UNOFFICIAL COUNT

 

GLADIATOR BATTLE COUNT:

VERBAL (13/11): EP, Pizza, Eldrick, Alot, Yates, Talya, Tina, Heart, Laine, Dice, Hallia, Cass, Sooh

 

PIZZA (4/11): Thane, Leelou (x2?), Verbal, 

 

NOT VOTING (6/20):Krak, Taborline, Andrej, SephVOTES ARE LOCKED

 

WAITING FOR MOD CONFIRMATION.

Extremely high density of wolves on that Verb wagon.

 

Soul read machine says listing them in order as they appear: Alot, Tayla, maybe Tina, Heart, Laine and Cass. You're welcome. Line them up and knock them down and town will win. If I'm wrong about any of those swap in Hallia and profit.

 

Dice is a villager because he is saying whatever the hell he wants and isn't trying to dress his arguments. Sooh is a villager unless she is dramatically convincing in displaying her thought process when it's a lie.

Leelou is a villager always in this situation and is a vetted double voter now.

Eldrick is a villager because he hasn't outed himself yet.

Yates is maybe a villager but he's claimed VT so he's pretty much pigeonholed.

 

Taborline could be a wolf too and either way needs to die because she becomes a larger liability the longer the game goes on. Seph is another that you could probably swap in if I'm wrong about anyone above.

 

When/if Tayla comes back with a red check look at her last reads list. I'm willing to bet her entire team is listed in the null section. Inversely I believe Heart has most of them all in her greens. Food for thought.

 

I realize I'm probably getting gunned for tomorrow which is all good. If it takes me getting lynched to find wolves I am okay with that, town doesn't lose much and I'm fairly confident you will find all the wolves in my solve. Depending on how this Night goes and if I'm lynched the next Day town can't afford many other mistakes. Absolutely lynch from my pool of wolves after I am dead and proven innocent.

 

This is likely all you'll get from me for this weekend. I've got the kiddo today and a 5k race in the morning tomorrow. In between I'll be studying for finals that are coming next week and finishing up some assignments I owe.

[Leelou]

Hey scum teams...you are doing a great job on the town, but you guys do need to take each other out too. 

[Aiel Heart]

 

Where on earth did this come from?

Sorry. That wouldn't make sense to you since I wrote it for Sili. I'm talking about mod meta, not yours. Sili would know what I was talking about wrt an opinion I shared in an earlier game we had together where I fake claimed masons with someone I was 99% sure was Town based on mod meta. I'm not going to extrapolate on that in this game because it's cheap and I think everyone else should come to their own opinions on you based on the merit of your posts and not on some nonsense trend I am exploiting to "read" you. FTR, though? The mod in the earlier game was Darthe. And I was right.

I get the gist of that. Ok

 

I'm actually not really liking Heart's posts. 

I've posted one post of content?

 

More to follow shortly

[Aiel Heart]

Ok so, role-rundown

 

Blue--confirmed dead town

Green--town claim

Black--nothing yet

 

1. Hally

2. Sooh 

3. Alot

4. Alanna Aiel Heart

5. Dice

6. John Snow Yates 2.0— Claimed Vanilla Townie? (I remember him saying that pizza had claimed VT which pizza shook his head at, but according to Aj in post 2435 he claimed VT; don’t recall that happening)

7. Thane--Town according to Pizza

8. Verbal- Beorn - town 2x gladiator has been bested in the arena

9. Talya

10. Eldrick

11. Leelou—Claims 2x voting ability

12. Sili - Beren Erchamion, town vanilla--modkilled for editing

13. Krak—town according to Pizza

14. Taborline

15. Andrej

16. Alannalynn

17. Tress - Tulkas, Town Vanilla has been found dead.

18. Zander - Elu Thingol, Town Mason has been eviscerated by spiders.

19. seph 

20. Eternal Phoenix—Zander’s Mason

21. TinaHel

22. Yates.1 - Faramir, Town Forensic Investigator

23. Cass/Monstr - Batassery

24. Pizzaguy—Claims Celebrimbor, maker of rings of power—can do Scanning, protect or role block (all x2)—used x2 scan on Thane and Krak night one and got both as town

 

This has been a first edition of what Leelou affectionately calls "skittle puke"

 

 

More to follow

[Leelou]

People at the top of my voting pool for tomorrow: Laine, Seph, Alot, AJ, Taborline, and Talya. Secondary list: Heart, Tina, Hallia and MonstrCass.  Not really sure how this is against my earlier lists, but this is how I'm feeling after the whole of D2 went down. I know a couple people really moved down. Updated list to follow. 

[Leelou]

Town
Eternal Phoenix 
Eldrick 
Dice 

John Snow Yates 2.0 

Pizzaguy* pending more info 

Krak* pending per Pizza's role

Thane* pending per Pizza's role (though thinking he really is a townie)

 
Scummy

Sooh - mentored by Corn 

Alanna Aiel Heart

 

TinaHel

Hally 

seph - mentored by Kaylee 

Andrej

Cass/Monstr - Batassery

Taborline 

Talya 

Alot 
Alannalynn 
 

Deceased
Yates - Faramir, Town Forensic Investigator Lynched Day One
Tress - Tulkas, Town Vanilla Killed Night Two
Zander - Elu Thingol, Town Mason Killed Night Two
Sili - Beren, Town Vanilla Modkilled Day Two
Verbal- Beorn - town 2x gladiator

[Leelou]

If I was going to move anyone else down from town, it would be Dice right now. 

[Aiel Heart]

All of the random things that stuck out to me and I took notes on as I sped through the game in no particular order within category

 

 

Cass/Monstr—a lot of asking questions of others or posting that they are catching up. A bit of back and forth with Leelou. Sees connections between Leelou and Tina. I didn’t note a specific thread, but I felt like I saw some WIFOM at a few points. There’s been a bit of Cass vs. Aj as well. I have a weird feeling about them at this point. Will need to ISO but leaning mafia

 

Pizza—he has been bugging me this whole game. A lot of “well, if I was the mafia, this is how I’d be playing, but I’m obviously not the mafia because I’m not doing that”—that sort of process just always come across as scummy to me. He also comes across as one of those people that just pulls elaborate schemes, and this claim of his seems like one of those to me. What would you do if you were the mafia? Claim something so powerful that everyone else would be afraid to lynch you! He’s been doing a lot of drawing connections and looking at people and all of that good stuff, but I just feel really really really weird about him and I cannot put my finger on why. Have almost as strong of a gut feeling about him as I do about Aj, which is strange as they’ve been at each other a bit (a cover? separate mafia teams?). If I had actually been caught up when I voted in the gladiator, I would have voted differently. Pizza was bugging me more and more, and I’m not sure I buy his claim, and Verbal was seeming more and more town to me there at the end Unfortunately, I wasn’t there, and we move forward from here. 

 

Alot—barely posted for a while. When he did post, they felt really strange to me; 1756 (for a reason I can’t quite put my finger on) and 2355 (because it seemed very lazy and like he doesn’t care about where his vote goes now when earlier he said he wanted his vote to make a difference) pinged me. The quick-change vote from Thane to Verbal in 2079/2080 with no explanation was also suspicious. We haven’t seen much from him but I haven’t liked what we’ve seen

 

Aj—has asked a lot of questions, expanding and clarifying, led the attack on Yates (738,741 and 742 are the posts mentioned in my notes—not looking back at them specifically at the moment). Said that Talya, Eldricks Alot’s posts had “good content” (I do’nd think A lot had posted much at that point) and didn’t like Krak. Giving thoughts thorughout, didn’t like the Leelou lynch. Says it was waste to look at either Verbal or Pizza as if either of them were scum, and then looked at the vote train on Verbal. A lot of various people haven’t liked Aj throughout time, and there have been a lot of posts I haven’t liked either—will ISO for specifics later—didn’t note them all but I remember noticing. This combined with the very strong gut feeling I have makes me feel he is scum.

 

Alannalynn—has been commenting on things here and there throughout the thread, occasionally springing in her own thoughts. Doesn’t like Hallia, and doesn’t like Sooh’s vote of dice. Voted Verbal. Would like a little more thoughts throughout the thread, not just random thoughts on things here and there. Something about this posting style from her seems scummy to me (though I think I’ve only ever played a half of a mafia game with her before…). Idk something feels weird. Will ISO, slight scum read

 

Hallia—has done a lot of popping in, giving a couple of thoughts, for a while was more recapping than anything else, and a few posts (like 2390) have felt forced. Guilty until proven innocent; she’s not necessarily scum, but I see very little reason to believe she’s town either

 

dice-early on he didn’t like Tina, later he votes soon for seeming inconsistent, he believed both in the gladiator were town but decided that pizza would be more valuable. Sooh doesn’t like him and I haven’t really noted much else—will have to ISO for more valid reasons; he was bacon red earlier based more off of gut feeling than anything else (btw, the green, dark red and light red are making me crave a BLT)

 

Thane—Yates pulled the little thing with a fake read and saw either him or Hallia as scum, in Pizza’s version, Thane is one of the towns. I find it interesting that he was included in both of these, though I don’t know what this indicates yet. A lot of people seem to think he is pretty good with town. I didn’t like the self vote. He’s been against pizza for a while, and didn’t seem entirely sold on his claim. Going to need to do an ISO on him as well; I sort of see him as scum at this point but it’s more gut than anything valid.

 

Krak—I liked him early on, has given reads sporadically though out, saw Sili as town early on. Other people have had various opinions on him, but don’t see any of those noted in my notes and don’t recall any of them specifically. Pegged him as town more based off of gut things than anything else. Need to ISO

 

Taborline—seems uncomfortable; don’t know if that’s the size of the game in general or if she has a role that she’s uncomfortable with. Has been giving more input lately, but has still been sporadic. Need to hear more from her—care to give us a reads list hun? Don’t let being afraid of making mistakes keep you from playing; it’s far more fun and far less suspicious to try :) 

 

Yates.2—came back in cranky which I don’t think did town much good, was making a point out of how his opinions hadn’t changed, really pushed verbal right after sili died, claimed a peek at someone (which a few people jumped at—said either Hallia or Thane was guilty) and then said he’d been lying. Seems to live Verb more than he had before on page 110, pulled another little scheme in which he said pizza had claimed VT, says Aj is scum, and then did the whole meta on the mod that was targeted on me and others.

One of those people who pulls all of these wild things and a lot of people have trouble reading. I’m leaning towards town at this moment; while he doesn’t appear to be actually trying to help town or fish out mafia (which what I was basing my prior opinion off of), he has a nonchalance that seems town to me atm. 

 

Talya—good about looking at specific people one at a time and giving reads on them in a manner that’s sort of popping in every now and then. There’s been a couple of times she’s kind of seems strange to me, but she also seems to be genuinely trying to look at people and draw connections; making a note here of in 2370 when she’s looking closer at Aj she links Aj and Sooh for both saying Pizza is being self-centered—that one was reaching slightly. Will put her as town now, may ISO later.

 

Sooh—I’m actually feeling very towny about her. I don’t think she’s been right all of the time, but I do feel like she is trying to read correctly, and is not entirely making the game her own yet, and that uncertainty seems scummy to some people. I think the stuff at EoD yesterday was just chance; many people point out incorrect vote counts and I feel like that happenstance was jumped on—I want to say it was by seph…

 

Eldrick—did a lot of popping in with random thoughts for a while when he more commented on other people’s thoughts than giving his own. Has been noticing some inconsistencies and defending himself pretty well, and also coming up with many theories about what could be happening. Other people’s opinions on him over time have been all over the place. He seems town to me

 

Leelou—claimed double vote—people have been linking Leelou a lot in this game, particularly in regards to Verbal and Tina. Tina has outright said that she’s defending Leelou. Verbal and Leelou were together a lot at first, and Leelou got annoyed at that (that section read to me as annoyed Leelou, not mafia Leelou. Could be both, but I didn’t see it that). Been breaking apart a lot of arguments and looking at them closely, and wasn’t totally sold on Pizza. Seems pretty town to me

 

seph—being mentored by Kaylee, has done a lot of different casing of people and given a lot of different reasons that I’ve taken note of throughout the time. Has given a lot of his opinions. appears to believe Pizza. Have a slight town read on him right now.

 

Firebird—claim Mason with Zander—out of curiosity because I don’t remember noticing it, but did Zander ever confirm Firebird as his partner?—Is fairly cleared at this point (would be a really lucky claim otherwise) and has been playing very much like himself throughout time. A lot of looking at people’s posts, being… Well Firebird, and sometimes filling up space just to fill up space and try to have good credit with everyone else. 

 

TinaHel—has been giving a lot of opinions and stuff right from the beginning. Didn’t like Zander’s easy target defense, looking at connections between people and also breaking apart posts by others. as admitted to protecting Leelou as she sees her as solid town, did just pile on Verbal at the end but admitted to being tired. I see her as town right now; her play has been good

 

 

Further question:

 

What is a Chinese fire drill in regards to mafia?

 

 

 

Also, I plan to closely look at anyone I have a town read on. People are guilty until proven innocent in this game >.> 

[Aiel Heart]

Leelou, care to explain what about my few posts has pinged you thus far?

[Aiel Heart]

AND WITH THAT I AM GOING OUT TO DINNER AT THE EXPENSE OF A FRIEND

 

ttyl

[Leelou]

Leelou, care to explain what about my few posts has pinged you thus far?

 

Well for one thing...your vote on VERB when clearly you hadn't caught up on the thread and wow...PIZZA is one of your scum reads. Care to explain exactly why you voted off Verb over Pizza in the gladiator challenge? 

[Leelou]

AND WITH THAT I AM GOING OUT TO DINNER AT THE EXPENSE OF A FRIEND

 

ttyl

 

Have fun at dinner!

[Leelou]

Pizza—he has been bugging me this whole game. A lot of “well, if I was the mafia, this is how I’d be playing, but I’m obviously not the mafia because I’m not doing that”—that sort of process just always come across as scummy to me. He also comes across as one of those people that just pulls elaborate schemes, and this claim of his seems like one of those to me. What would you do if you were the mafia? Claim something so powerful that everyone else would be afraid to lynch you! He’s been doing a lot of drawing connections and looking at people and all of that good stuff, but I just feel really really really weird about him and I cannot put my finger on why. Have almost as strong of a gut feeling about him as I do about Aj, which is strange as they’ve been at each other a bit (a cover? separate mafia teams?). If I had actually been caught up when I voted in the gladiator, I would have voted differently. Pizza was bugging me more and more, and I’m not sure I buy his claim, and Verbal was seeming more and more town to me there at the end Unfortunately, I wasn’t there, and we move forward from here. 

 

Bolded last sentence. You were though. You voted Verb over Pizza within the last hour and 6 minutes of the Gladiator challenge. 

 

 

Ok I'm up to page 90 in this game. I don't know if I'll be able to read up in time and I need to go a few places with my roommate soon so I'm just going to give my thoughts as of page 90 and then vote on this whole gladiator situation (saw it the last time I checked in). I've skimmed over the last couple of pages as well to see what arguments others are giving either way.

 

First though a little something from "my time" in the game

Now that I can say this knowing you aren't a wolf...

I have a theory...

This is horse poop angle shooting. When is the last time you were right about something like this? Now look at me role? Still never.

 

That said, I won't be voting Aiel Heart ever in this game but that's for meta reasons. And we've had this discussion...

Where on earth did this come from? I didn't see me being mentioned anywhere in the last few pages before that.

I have not contributed to this game at all thus far and I don't recall ever playing with you so it's odd that you would be able to meta me.

Pointing out weird shenanigans 

 

 

 

I started doing a list based off of where I am with anecdotes, but I'm out of time for that as my roommate wants to go in a few minutes so here's this, which is more gut reads based on my memories and notes but it's better than nothing. Once I actually go through and look at the posts referenced in notes it'll be a little more precise and may shift a bit

 

Firebird

Sooh

Talya

Eldrick

Krak

Leelou

Tina

 

Alot

Thane

Taborline

 

Cass/Monstr

dice

Pizza

seph

Yates.2

AlannaLynn

 

Aj

Verbal

Hallia

 

 

I've not liked Pizza for a lot of the game, but a lot of it was weird feeling from his posts. There have been posts I've definitely not liked about Verbal, plus I feel like he's been in the middle of some thicker tangles, and so we could learn a bit more based on how he flips. I don't like either of them, but I feel like Verbal is the better option from where I stand. 

 

[Vote]Verbal[/Vote]

 

 

Blah silly new voting tags. Let's try this the classic way

 

Vote: Verbal

 

[Gabriel Kross]

To answe AH's question, no Zander never confirmed it. I told him not to.

[Darthe]

AND WITH THAT I AM GOING OUT TO DINNER AT THE EXPENSE OF A FRIEND

 

ttyl

Pity that you had to choose sustenance over your relationship

[Gabriel Kross]

 

AND WITH THAT I AM GOING OUT TO DINNER AT THE EXPENSE OF A FRIEND

 

ttyl

Pity that you had to choose sustenance over your relationship

 

she's going to eat her friend? that doesn't sound very sustaining