A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Gabriel Kross]

While we're on the topic, maybe you can explain a bit more what you meant by that EP.

about which part?

 

 

For the vote on Yates?

 

If that's the most suspicious thing in this game hat you can see them my condolences.

That by itself isn't much, but you've also been floating by all game with these little quips that seem off to me. I don't know about your normal gameplay (I will go look when I have time), but your lack of input for the most part, combined with that vote on Yates1 solidified my vote.

 

 

@EP - We've literally never played together before that I can remember. Unless you played under a different name or something...?

 

Can you give some examples?

 

Like, links preferred because I seriously don't think you're recalling things correctly here.

I don't feel like digging through games but we have played games together. It was over 2 years ago though.

 

He's probably thinking about me LOL

 

No I never reffered to as AJ I didn't even know that was a thing until the wierd day 1 debate about names came up.

[Cass]

 

 

Oh, I accidentally pushed the multi-quote button.

 

My thoughts on his post is he sometimes worries to much about being the mislynch, and I wanted to know how Cass was doing.

 

 

In what way?

 

In a are you being analytical in your hydra QT way

 

 

Sili, I'm not sure what you're getting at, or why... I am doing my best to be analytical and keep up with the game and I trust Monstr is too. Both of us feel like we're letting the other one down by not doing a better job so far, but we're encouraging each other and trying to pick it up. Does that help? If not, can you ask a specific question please?

[Andrej]

Just arrived at work so this will be my last post until later tonight.

 

EP you talked about having Leelou and I as suspects because you think the Zander NK points to someone who would know your playstyle. I'll refute this later when I search all my games on DM to show we haven't played together but I'm still interested in the theory.

[Andrej]

Cass I asked you something earlier about how much you and Monstr are talking. I get that you both are apparently busy but off the top of my head I remember you both mentioning the same players but having seemingly opposite reads. I'm curious as to how much you guys are discussing things

[dicetosser1]

Wait, who am I kidding, you're burying yourself without my help.

 

 

'shakes head  see below Sili

 

Waste as much time as you want.

 

See this? it = Tress is Town. i'd back off if i were you

 

Sooh,

 

what's your opinion of me?

 

I want an alignment, a role, and a reason from you.

 

And I want a very specific reason, and I'm telling you that in advance, because this isn't me asking you to town read me. This is me asking you to prove to me cory is town.

 

Cory isnt playing in this game. Sooh is. You want an opinion ask her.

[Andrej]

Ok that was my last post.

 

Off to make that money now

[dicetosser1]

only up to page 59 and have a wicked migraine and work all day  will do what i can

 

the yates lynch stinks.

 

@yates  I want to see you town it up cause right now im concerned you're gonna have to be lynched again. Liking what i have seen of yates 2 so far

[alannalynn]

Yeah it's time for me to leave for work I'll have to be back in the morning.

[Cass]

 

 

 

Don't like Cass posts right now.

 

I've been uncomfortable with her all game. 

 

 

Because?

 

 

Something about your posting seems off, specifically around Dice. I'm finishing up a project, might have to wait until I get home to pull it up. I said in my horribly colored list that I'm comfortable with monstr, but not you. Not the first time I've mentioned it in game. 

 

 

I saw that and figured Monstr and I's slot would become more clear as the game progressed, so it didn't seem worth mentioning.

 

I can't play this game the way I feel most comfortable playing, picking up/collecting/sorting every little gut feel and inconsistency - I was perpetually 10 pages behind and every time I 'caught up' to a point where it wouldn't be ridiculous to post, everything I had to say was either irrelevant or already addressed by other players.

 

I'm not sure what you're concerned about wrt Dice, but my current read of him is that I don't have any strong feel that he is Town, and I'm concerned that means he's anti-Town.

[Cass]

23. Cass/Monstr - again, don´t remember much from Cass. Monstr has complained once again that he doesn´t want to play. I think he has done so in every game I have played with him. If you are feeling bad, Monstr, the you should probably take a mafia break. There was some post on D1 that I felt good about him but I can´t remember what. 

 

 

I feel like I have to defend Monstr here. I approached him and asked if he would mind hydra-ing so that I could play. I knew he was busy working two jobs and that he is on a mafia break/scaling down but I gave him first choice anyway for old time's sake and he said yes so that it wouldn't be a problem next week when my best friend flies down for five days and I'll be AFK. 

[Verbal32]

@Cass - you say old time's sake with Monstr.....do you know him from somewhere else?  I get the impression you sorta know people from elsewhere, but I've never been clear on where.

[Gabriel Kross]

Just arrived at work so this will be my last post until later tonight.

 

EP you talked about having Leelou and I as suspects because you think the Zander NK points to someone who would know your playstyle. I'll refute this later when I search all my games on DM to show we haven't played together but I'm still interested in the theory.

the theory behind my poat was that I have a reputation for drawing heat for my playstyle. Meaning people familiar with this would want to keep me alive and wifom other ideas such as cult, which I might add you have already thrown into the mix. Your mentioning that was the first flag I had that you aren't town. Of course you'd want that little word out there when you're expecting to have a confirmed town still alive.

[Gabriel Kross]

that should say post not poat.

[Verbal32]

 

I'm also looking forward to how you can elaborate on this.

 

It will be more than your post about EP "he most likely is town".  

 

Oh look, another potshot.  I didn't need to say more about EP - he was pretty consensus town and it was confirmed by me reading his ISO.  And then the flip from Zander sorta seals that deal, no?  In other words, I was correct and this is not relevant - it is you doing exactly what I asked if you were going to do today (and you said no).

 

 

 

 

8. Verbal - yesterday I got the feeling that he was protecting Yates. I have seen Verbal do that with mafia buddies before. Take the lead (vocally) in voting someone. He gets people to join but when he then find reasons to unvote people follow him on that too and then the other person are sort of cleard. It´s hard for me to explain more than that. Anyway, now Yates turned up town so it´s obvious that Verbal didn´t try to save him because they are mafia together. I´m not sure about him though. There is something, and I don´t think it´s just my usual suspicion that I have every game. Leelou looks townie to me and he thinks she is mafia. Maybe that is why? Idk.

 

Is this something tied to the cryptic remarks Pizza made about me?  Re: the bold, I said no such thing.  I voiced my suspicions, but I did not call her mafia.  Don't put words in my mouth.

 

 

 

 

Sure...leaving in 10 mins so this will be brief:

 

I don't like that she didn't really get involved with AJ/Yates and sat back and watched. She didn't really add any input to the situation: 

 

 

 

The question was for Hallia but I guess she's gone now.

 

Yes, Yates. I've been rolling the idea around in my head most of the day that he could be scum here. It's a little hard to articulate but I am just getting bad vibes from him. Usually by now I think I would feel reasonably okay about him if he were a villager considering the amount of content he has. The fact that I don't worries me. There's some things he's done that trouble me and I feel like since I am shoring up on some of my villager reads and he is left out of them this is a positive direction for me to move in.

 

For instance, I wasn't particularly fond of the way he reacted to Sooh voting him earlier. The way he postured around Seph and the EP wagons made me uncomfortable then and still does now in light of EP's soft balling and Seph's later profession. He hedged on his read of Zander saying he liked the post but also leaves himself open to possibly move there later. I also think he went over the top complimenting Tina on her posts and I'm curious as to his focus regarding me and my read of her. He also made a comment towards her early on that basically soft balled a town read on her slot. I haven't really decided how I feel about the entire interaction completely but I could see scum!Yates doing this as a pocketing attempt on a town!Tina

 

 

Oh, and the throw away vote on Alot that I forgot to mention. He's done a lot of posturing around some players that were being discussed at the time but I don't get the impression he's really pushing in any direction. For instance he talks about having Seph and EP wagons being a good thing but never really drives either of them. For him later to throw a vote on Alot seems too easy and doesn't come with a lot of accountability.

 

I've noted/been considering most of the same points WRT Yates. Subjectively though, neither of you are coming across as convincingly Town to me. This should be interesting to watch... 

 

 

Also re: Dice...she's cautiously piggybacking on Tress's reads.

 

 

 

Meh.

 

Tried to comment on a couple of things during my lunch break today, but my data network on my phone was being uncooperative and I lost a couple of posts and ran out of time.  Not that there was anything earth-shattering or profund, to be frank.  I'm generally lost D1 in large games, and there are far too many of you in this one that I either can't read well (or at all), or haven't said anything that stuck with me very long.

 

If I were to make a reads list, it would be nearly all null, with a few mild town leans due to gut feelings, and generally completely useless.

 

Not sure on Dice yet, which has me slightly worried - I'm usually pretty sure of him when he's town rather quickly, but I don't know when was the last time I played with him in this size of a game as town so I'm not sure if it's due to the size of the game or the alignment in his role PM.  We were both in the Avengers: Age of Ultron game, which was 24 players, but he was mafia there, so he was characteristically hanging back.  Most of the time when I'm sure about him it's in a smaller game where he's able to be more front and center, but I feel like he's less opinionated this game than I expect from Town!Dice.

 

Other than that, though, my own opinions are hazy, so I can't get on his case too bad.

 

Getting warm fuzzies from Hallia, Seph feels pretty natural to me, I feel like I can follow Tina pretty well, Eldrick isn't striking me as particularly scummy (which is a change, so probably a good thing)... I'm cautiously optimistic about AJ, Verb and Leelou both look townish.

 

Sili and EP both baffle me as always - EP looks to be pulling one of his classic dubiously beneficial schemes, which I guess means he's probably town.

 

I won't be able to wrap my head around much here without a couple of flips to narrow the focus and provide some hard info.  If there's something in particular you'd like to draw my attention to and get my opinion on, I'd actually appreciate the help.  I skimmed most of the day today from work on my phone between actual work, and I'll probably have to go back and re-read chunks of the game to figure out what was important.

 

Cautiously with you on Dice, Tina, Eldrick and maybe even Verb and Leelou so far here Tress (though due to game size I'm happy to give Dice a little longer to warm up before getting too worried).

 

Can you elaborate on what you mean by 'his classic dubiously beneficial schemes'  in the bold on EP? Eg. Can you give me a run-down on EP's usual Town/Scum play as you know it?

 

 

I see a lot of questions coming out of her, but not really what I'm used to seeing from Cass. She's very condensed and I'm just getting a weird feeling. 

 

 

This tells me nothing.  You didn't even start by mentioning Dice, which is how you labeled your Cass read (specifically re: Dice).  So you aren't organizing your thoughts like I'd expect town!Leelou to do.  I'm concerned.  [ATTN TINA:  I am not calling Leelou scum.  Just grilling her a bit.  Carry on.]

 

And about her piggybacking Tress.....I don't see that as alignment indicative.  Tress is now a dead townie.  Cass saying she's "cautiously with you on Dice" does not seem that weird to me.  You're using the "weird feeling" attack, and that feels..........wait for it...........weird.

[Leelou]

 

 

Just arrived at work so this will be my last post until later tonight.

 

EP you talked about having Leelou and I as suspects because you think the Zander NK points to someone who would know your playstyle. I'll refute this later when I search all my games on DM to show we haven't played together but I'm still interested in the theory.

the theory behind my poat was that I have a reputation for drawing heat for my playstyle. Meaning people familiar with this would want to keep me alive and wifom other ideas such as cult, which I might add you have already thrown into the mix. Your mentioning that was the first flag I had that you aren't town. Of course you'd want that little word out there when you're expecting to have a confirmed town still alive.

For what it's worth, I would have just killed you if I was scum.

[Verbal32]

 

Wait, who am I kidding, you're burying yourself without my help.

 

 

'shakes head  see below Sili

 

Waste as much time as you want.

 

See this? it = Tress is Town. i'd back off if i were you

 

I'm pretty sure he'll be backing off Tress, heh.

[Leelou]

Verb - I said it would be quick. I'm on the train now, and no I'm not very cohesive today. I'll work on that later.

[Leelou]

also, the posts are in chronological order.

[Cass]

Addressing your points separately to avoid ginormous quote chains.

 

 

I don't like that she didn't really get involved with AJ/Yates and sat back and watched. She didn't really add any input to the situation: 

 

 

I've noted/been considering most of the same points WRT Yates. Subjectively though, neither of you are coming across as convincingly Town to me. This should be interesting to watch... 

 

 

 

At no point am I ready to put myself between players like Yates and AJ. I disagree with the suggestion that I didn't try to add anything to the situation.  I actually had notes highlighting almost the exact things AJ mentioned, and even though it turns out I was wrong, I did begin trying to pin Yates down - right before AJ made his post:

 

 

Does anyone have any specific questions for me before I log off for the night?

I hate posting on phone and can't pull quotes yet but yes, I think I do:

1. What are your leans on Zander/Sooh and their interactions?

2. Was there a difference between what you posted after Tina's chain on the above and the thoughts you mentioned intending to post about her misquoting Sili? (Gut feel says yes but I'd like to hear more from you on this)

Possible 3rd Q just checking something first

 

 

 

 

1. What are your leans on Zander/Sooh and their interactions?

That's a tomorrow question. I don;t have the time/energy to deep ISO that stuff.

2. Was there a difference between what you posted after Tina's chain on the above and the thoughts you mentioned intending to post about her misquoting Sili? (Gut feel says yes but I'd like to hear more from you on this)

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking me. I liked Tina's post with the case, even if it was wrong. But that had nothing to do with the Sili misquote. And I'd like AJ to clear me before I say any more on that subject because I want him to feel like his inquiry was untainted by my opinion on the matter.

 

 

 

 

Home. Yey non-torturous quotes!

 

Wait. Can I call you Batass?

 

 

FWIW, Monstr and I both opted yes (even though I totally deserve my Mother's Day gift for being a Batass Mother)... The Modfather overruled before we could let you know though. The rest is up to you... *g*

 

 

 

 

 

1. What are your leans on Zander/Sooh and their interactions?

That's a tomorrow question. I don;t have the time/energy to deep ISO that stuff.

 

Ok... 

 

 

 

 

2. Was there a difference between what you posted after Tina's chain on the above and the thoughts you mentioned intending to post about her misquoting Sili? (Gut feel says yes but I'd like to hear more from you on this)

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking me. I liked Tina's post with the case, even if it was wrong. But that had nothing to do with the Sili misquote. And I'd like AJ to clear me before I say any more on that subject because I want him to feel like his inquiry was untainted by my opinion on the matter.

 

 

And again.... Ok....

 

FYI in case it helps for after AJ answers, it was the quote below that confused me/made me unsure of your stance.

 

 

 

@Tina - how did you make that sort of mistake?

I feel like if you felt Sili's post was compelling enough to basically sheep you would've quoted the correct one. Now it appears to me that you just grabbed a random quote with someone voting another person (one of the main wagons atm, mind you) as a clean and easy way to hop on without adding any of your own input.

I have thoughts on this as well. Will post after Tina.

 

 

 

Don't worry about Q. 3. Irrelevant for now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. What are your leans on Zander/Sooh and their interactions?

That's a tomorrow question. I don't have the time/energy to deep ISO that stuff.

 

Actually, I still like Tina's case on Zander. IDK if that helps?

 

 

Kinda.

 

Okay, Sooh's ISO is like 12 posts long and she doesn't mention Zander ever. Am I missing something?

 

Sorry, I probably should have made that two separate questions but was rushing before being called in for an appointment. Basically just wondering if you have a specific  lean on Zander and/or Sooh.

 

 

 

 

Having said that, Yates is not a player I am generally going to make a final decision on or vote on D1 without some super solid evidence. So I made my notes, and was saving them in case I ever got to the point where I was convinced enough that Yates was scum to vote and offer up my case.

 

Just because I voiced agreement with AJ's observations doesn't mean I believe he was pushing them as Town. In my mind it was a very possible that what was about to go down was W-W and I was interested to see what would come of it. I stated as such and waited to see what interactions arose and what would become of it. I didn't find myself swayed particularly either way during their thunderdome so there didn't seem much point in butting in or providing a repeat of my opinion at that point.

[Gabriel Kross]

maybe I was thing of Andrew Lee I guess Andrej may not have played a game with me, however I think my points still mostly stand.

[Gabriel Kross]

Also since I'm outted anyways can I go ahead and share my character for funsies? 

[Cass]

 

Also re: Dice...she's cautiously piggybacking on Tress's reads.

 

 

Meh.

 

Tried to comment on a couple of things during my lunch break today, but my data network on my phone was being uncooperative and I lost a couple of posts and ran out of time.  Not that there was anything earth-shattering or profund, to be frank.  I'm generally lost D1 in large games, and there are far too many of you in this one that I either can't read well (or at all), or haven't said anything that stuck with me very long.

 

If I were to make a reads list, it would be nearly all null, with a few mild town leans due to gut feelings, and generally completely useless.

 

Not sure on Dice yet, which has me slightly worried - I'm usually pretty sure of him when he's town rather quickly, but I don't know when was the last time I played with him in this size of a game as town so I'm not sure if it's due to the size of the game or the alignment in his role PM.  We were both in the Avengers: Age of Ultron game, which was 24 players, but he was mafia there, so he was characteristically hanging back.  Most of the time when I'm sure about him it's in a smaller game where he's able to be more front and center, but I feel like he's less opinionated this game than I expect from Town!Dice.

 

Other than that, though, my own opinions are hazy, so I can't get on his case too bad.

 

Getting warm fuzzies from Hallia, Seph feels pretty natural to me, I feel like I can follow Tina pretty well, Eldrick isn't striking me as particularly scummy (which is a change, so probably a good thing)... I'm cautiously optimistic about AJ, Verb and Leelou both look townish.

 

Sili and EP both baffle me as always - EP looks to be pulling one of his classic dubiously beneficial schemes, which I guess means he's probably town.

 

I won't be able to wrap my head around much here without a couple of flips to narrow the focus and provide some hard info.  If there's something in particular you'd like to draw my attention to and get my opinion on, I'd actually appreciate the help.  I skimmed most of the day today from work on my phone between actual work, and I'll probably have to go back and re-read chunks of the game to figure out what was important.

 

Cautiously with you on Dice, Tina, Eldrick and maybe even Verb and Leelou so far here Tress (though due to game size I'm happy to give Dice a little longer to warm up before getting too worried).

 

Can you elaborate on what you mean by 'his classic dubiously beneficial schemes'  in the bold on EP? Eg. Can you give me a run-down on EP's usual Town/Scum play as you know it?

 

 

 

 

 

Dice was one of the two reads I specifically pointed out in that interaction, and for what I believed at the time was good reason: Tress's overall tone made me feel like she was being deliberately non-committal, and she specifically/individually hedged her reads on Dice and EP, without doing so for any of the other players. Both of those players were concerning me slightly at the time, so I interacted looking for more info and reactions. I don't see how you're interpreting this as piggybacking?

[Cass]

 

I see a lot of questions coming out of her, but not really what I'm used to seeing from Cass. She's very condensed and I'm just getting a weird feeling. 

 

The weird feeling I understand. I am feeling very condensed myself and I'm not at all comfortable because I have way more questions than answers right now, and I don't like being this behind/overwhelmed/unsure. 

 

What are you 'used' to seeing from me that you're not seeing now, that wouldn't previously have come from TMI?

[Leelou]

 

 

I see a lot of questions coming out of her, but not really what I'm used to seeing from Cass. She's very condensed and I'm just getting a weird feeling. 

 

The weird feeling I understand. I am feeling very condensed myself and I'm not at all comfortable because I have way more questions than answers right now, and I don't like being this behind/overwhelmed/unsure. 

 

What are you 'used' to seeing from me that you're not seeing now, that wouldn't previously have come from TMI?

 

 

We've played in a few games together, so I'm not really sure what you are getting at with the last question there. 

[Leelou]

 

 

Also re: Dice...she's cautiously piggybacking on Tress's reads.

 

 

Meh.

 

Tried to comment on a couple of things during my lunch break today, but my data network on my phone was being uncooperative and I lost a couple of posts and ran out of time.  Not that there was anything earth-shattering or profund, to be frank.  I'm generally lost D1 in large games, and there are far too many of you in this one that I either can't read well (or at all), or haven't said anything that stuck with me very long.

 

If I were to make a reads list, it would be nearly all null, with a few mild town leans due to gut feelings, and generally completely useless.

 

Not sure on Dice yet, which has me slightly worried - I'm usually pretty sure of him when he's town rather quickly, but I don't know when was the last time I played with him in this size of a game as town so I'm not sure if it's due to the size of the game or the alignment in his role PM.  We were both in the Avengers: Age of Ultron game, which was 24 players, but he was mafia there, so he was characteristically hanging back.  Most of the time when I'm sure about him it's in a smaller game where he's able to be more front and center, but I feel like he's less opinionated this game than I expect from Town!Dice.

 

Other than that, though, my own opinions are hazy, so I can't get on his case too bad.

 

Getting warm fuzzies from Hallia, Seph feels pretty natural to me, I feel like I can follow Tina pretty well, Eldrick isn't striking me as particularly scummy (which is a change, so probably a good thing)... I'm cautiously optimistic about AJ, Verb and Leelou both look townish.

 

Sili and EP both baffle me as always - EP looks to be pulling one of his classic dubiously beneficial schemes, which I guess means he's probably town.

 

I won't be able to wrap my head around much here without a couple of flips to narrow the focus and provide some hard info.  If there's something in particular you'd like to draw my attention to and get my opinion on, I'd actually appreciate the help.  I skimmed most of the day today from work on my phone between actual work, and I'll probably have to go back and re-read chunks of the game to figure out what was important.

 

Cautiously with you on Dice, Tina, Eldrick and maybe even Verb and Leelou so far here Tress (though due to game size I'm happy to give Dice a little longer to warm up before getting too worried).

 

Can you elaborate on what you mean by 'his classic dubiously beneficial schemes'  in the bold on EP? Eg. Can you give me a run-down on EP's usual Town/Scum play as you know it?

 

 

 

 

 

Dice was one of the two reads I specifically pointed out in that interaction, and for what I believed at the time was good reason: Tress's overall tone made me feel like she was being deliberately non-committal, and she specifically/individually hedged her reads on Dice and EP, without doing so for any of the other players. Both of those players were concerning me slightly at the time, so I interacted looking for more info and reactions. I don't see how you're interpreting this as piggybacking?

 

 

The fact that you were cautiously with her on her reads, but you weren't really expanding on why you felt that way.