A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Talya]

 

let me put it to you this way, someone of the three Leelou, Hallia, and Pizza is lieing and of the three I most suspect it's Leelou. A double voter is the most beneficial of the three to a mafia team. As far as we know there is no town NK action in this game so a bodyguard is useless to the mafia and JoAT is not something Mafia'd really benefit from.

 

Also, out of the three, at least I've proven my role. 

 

 

Proving your role still doesn't mean you are town.

[Talya]

 

 

 

let me put it to you this way, someone of the three Leelou, Hallia, and Pizza is lieing and of the three I most suspect it's Leelou. A double voter is the most beneficial of the three to a mafia team. As far as we know there is no town NK action in this game so a bodyguard is useless to the mafia and JoAT is not something Mafia'd really benefit from.

 

Also, out of the three, at least I've proven my role. 

 

to be fair it's pretty hard to prove a night action role that gives no info, since Pizza claimed he used his views night 1

 

 

Convenient that none of his reads have died so we can have some sort of proof. 

 

 

I have to agree with EP on this and I said it earlier, they would prove Pizza is who he says he is, by not killing them they keep him ambiguous. Plus they had a confirmed town they could get rid of. If Pizza isn't who he says he is they can't risk killing them otherwise it might give him away. If he was mafia they couldn't risk killing either one, because they don't know the outcome (they could be town or mafia other team).

[Talya]

As for Tina, what does stands out is her willingness to use others reason's for voting someone (Sili's for Zander and mine for Hallia).

 

I am getting tired now and need to go to bed sorry guys. If I get time tomorrow I will look at Leelou, she is trying hard for us to believe she is town, but then if her power is spent, maybe she is mayrtering herslef to cover someone else. I'm not sure.

 

good night xx

[Cass]

Ok. This is basically where I'm at, assuming we take the claimed slots and peeks as Town for now. 

NB: I'm not saying I believe everybody's claims. I don't trust anybody tbh and I still have some concerns over every player that has claimed or been cleared by someone else's claim. I will obviously need to go back and ISO them fully as well, as well as take a closer look at everybody's interactions. But starting here with the PoE and notes from recent ISOs:

 

 

Townish

 

Laine - Townish. Didn't like her spammy entry to the game but overall/later game I find myself agreeing with almost everything she posts. Tone occasionally pushy but ?null.

 

Dice - Wary Town for now. Aggression and decisiveness since D2 more indicative of TownDice, never seen him replicate early D2 attitude as Scum.

 

Seph - Asking lots of questions, tone comes across new and slightly over-eager. Reevaluates reads eg. Sili. ?Reaching with EP1.0/weak reasoning.

 

Aiel Heart - Catch up posts read legit and show effort, if a little buddyish. In retrospect not a fan of the Verbal vote before finishing catch up - says Pizza had been bugging her the entire game. Understand the 'trust noone to be Town' thing.

 

 

More likely Scum

 

Taborline - Tone reads as lost, but low participation concerning. Not much else to note.

 

AJ - Early tone was different to previous game I've played with him ?more buddyish. Early Vote for Tina for 'might as well' is off.  Discouraged wolf-hunting, downplayed potential JOAT and didn't vote in Gladiator challenge.

 

Sooh - Early votes slightly off (?Eldrick). Vote on Seph for not being involved, at phase change, linked with mention of Verb's intent? Possible involvement EoD1 phase change (?too obvious/scapegoat here?), canvassing even though 'strong scum read' re Dice, votes off main trains D2, switch to Thane but recognises Pizza peek. Willing to lynch Hallia post claim.

 

Talya - ?Buddying Alot. Votes Hallia after admitting to Yates case 'deflated'. Push on Sooh for not explaining previous Seph meta seems reaching, knocked down D3. Asks Pizza for NAs, later backs off. ?Another bulletproof role wrt Hallia?.

 

Tina - Early push on Zander based on Sooh vote being potentially easy target but no opinion on Sooh, defends Leelou, puts in early work, locates inconsistencies but vague on both ISOs of Alot. Don't like tone/push on Verbal towards EoD2. Sheeps Hally vote.

 

Yates2 - Snark and trash talk of town seems false/overdone since EoD1  ?Cover for change in alignment.  Immediately blames Leelou for phase change, but then starts canvassing opinions on Sooh for same thing, before voting Sooh. ?Inconsistent during Gladiator challenge.

 

Alot/EP2 - Understand Alot's early frustration at volume but ?overdone. Especially don't like  quick vote on Leelou at beginning of interaction followed by backtracking - why unvote if still seen as scummy? Explanation contradictory (voting off the cuff for a reaction and preferring votes to actually make a difference).  EP 2.0 overdefensive/not handling pressure from Pizza ?whymefryme - same thing he pushed as scummy on Leelou as EP 1.0.

 

 

 

At this point, unless the claims are CC'd or proven to be unlikely Town, I'm happy to vote anybody from the lower pile today.

[Cass]

See now I'm getting paranoid that Tabor could be a slanking villager and getting piled on by wolves from either side.

 

Mafia sure is hard.

 

I'm skimming from p. 134. Actually agree with this. Tabor feels like an easy vote here and I can't pick her independently either way.

[Yates]

In fact - I think it's way more often a town role than scum because of how much control it could give mafia on a lynch, especially late game.

No. It's a Town role because it is made public when she double votes. That would be a pretty terrible side effect to a scum role.

[Yates]

You guys need to get on board and lynch Hally already. Quit beating around the bush.

[Yates]

If Hally is Town? Pizza and Thane are scum. Easy peasy.

[Leelou]

You guys need to get on board and lynch Hally already. Quit beating around the bush.

No, we are lynching Tina. Join the party.

[Cass]

/Snip

 

and to top if all off it is my birthday! 

 

 

Happy Birthday!!!

[Hallia]

Why Yates?

[Yates]

I have to agree with EP on this and I said it earlier, they would prove Pizza is who he says he is, by not killing them they keep him ambiguous.

Then why did they kill Zander and prove EP 1 right? THEN kill EP 1 who was effectively an innocent child and literally no threat? Don't assume the scum teams are playing this +EV. Because they clearly aren't.

[Yates]

 

You guys need to get on board and lynch Hally already. Quit beating around the bush.

No, we are lynching Tina. Join the party.

 

Your party has no joy. Mine has literally zero downside.

[Hallia]

There is a downside, bodyguard is still very useful.

[Leelou]

 

 

You guys need to get on board and lynch Hally already. Quit beating around the bush.

No, we are lynching Tina. Join the party.

Your party has no joy. Mine has literally zero downside.

Mine is the party bus, now stop being difficult and vote for Tina.

[Yates]

There is a downside, bodyguard is still very useful.

Even if you were telling the truth? BG is worthless. At this point you are LITERALLY more likely to protect scum than Town.

[Yates]

Mine is the party bus, now stop being difficult and vote for Tina.

But Tina may or may not be Scum? And who are her scum buddies? And what if she flips Town?

 

I have answers for all of this with the Hally vote. GREAT justice.

[Hallia]

I am telling the truth, and it is not worthless.

[Hallia]

But I can see it's pointless trying to talk with you.

[Leelou]

 

Mine is the party bus, now stop being difficult and vote for Tina.

But Tina may or may not be Scum? And who are her scum buddies? And what if she flips Town?

 

I have answers for all of this with the Hally vote. GREAT justice.

It'll be easier for me to find exactly those in my list of scummers that are her buddies and how they are reacting.

 

Hallia is most likely town here and seriously we need to lynch scum.

 

Scum, again I'll say this. You guys need to start voting/killing each other and stop hunting town for a bit.

[Cass]

Up to #2793

 

Just letting everyone know: I'm on VLA for the next 4.5 days while my best friend visits from interstate. This was the main reason I requested to play as hydra and I'm sorry for everyone involved that it hasn't worked out the way it was planned. The VLA has been approved by the mods. I will try to keep up with the game and post when I can. This may be as little as once a day, but I'll try and make up for it when I return. GL! 

[Leelou]

Btw, this game is a good example of why I dislike hybrid hammer games.

[dicetosser1]

also, when I flip town I want you all to reconsider Pizza's claim just saying

 

What does your flip have to do with Pizza's claim? He didn't say he used his role to discern you were scum.

 

 

 

 

Also, EP cut the emo. If you are town, you are NOT helping your case at all. I will stop reading all of your posts and will just vote you without thinking about it. You are replacing in for a scummy player. Prove yourself and don't lean on your old proven town self. 

"don't lean on old proven town self" so don't go after any of the people on my current list when in fact those are the people I want lynched seems like counter-intuitive logic which is why you aren't coming off my list.

 

 

NO, don't just throw a hissy fit and say you agree with 1.0. Make your cases and prove yourself. It's not hard to hide if you are scum and just using the same list. 

 

Have you even started to consider that I am indeed town? Because I am. 

 

no, because I've never seen a game where a double voter is a town role.

 

 

I have seen town double voters before. I'm really not sure where the idea of it being a scum only role is coming from?

 

Ok DoubleVoter.  When Darthe created this I scored the first one. Everybody immeadiately assumed it was a scum role. So much so that i had to be careful and try to hide it cause i wouldve got instalynched. and i was TOWN.

 

Ive seen it once more since then and it was town then too.  Realistically Double vote is a WAAAY overpowered role and giving that to scum doesnt really balance i dont think.

[dicetosser1]

AJ Yates and Leelou. Opinions on Sooh plz?  I could go for Tina but im seriously thinking that Im right and more so that if i am then i get a twofer.

[Leelou]

AJ Yates and Leelou. Opinions on Sooh plz?  I could go for Tina but im seriously thinking that Im right and more so that if i am then i get a twofer.

 

I think she's been scummy, but I have only played with her once. She's in my mild scum orange pile right now, mostly for her push on you.