Warehouse 13 Mafia- Mafia Wins!

[Verbal32]

I'm not feeling Eldrick right now simply because he stuck his neck out too far early on.  I feel that the mafia QT would have kept him at bay.  Especially early game, mafia are pretty active on their QT as they plot and chat.....for him to have gone off the deep end like that doesn't seem probable.

 

I might be overthinking this, of course.

[Leelou]

You do have a tendency to over-think things. 

[Verbal32]

Need to hear from Pralaya, Sooh, and Cass.  We haven't heard from them at all since Arsis was mod-confirmed as meeting wincon and removed from the game.  So we need to "start again" here.

 

@Pral - I'm especially concerned with you.....it is D3, so I'm kinda expecting more reads and theories (like linkages) from you, and I'm not seeing anything but responding only when called out.  Makes me nervous, yo.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Not Bob (1): Eldrick

Wombat (3): Hally, Lily, Leelou

Lily (1): Dice

Hally (1): Not Bob

 

Not Voting (6): Leelou, Pral, Sooh, Cass, Verbal, Wombat

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

 

Deadline is Wenesday April 8th @ 4:30pm MST

 

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150408T1630&p0=3862&fg2=80c2da&msg=End+of+D3&csz=1

[Leelou]

True about Pral, he has been rather silent. I don't really have a good feeling from Sooh, hence why she's in my scum pile. I'm not really seeing anything out of her. 

[Leelou]

The game seems eerily quiet. 

[Kaylee]

BFG will be replacing Sooh

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Not Bob (1): Eldrick

Wombat (3): Hally, Lily, Leelou

Lily (1): Dice

Hally (1): Not Bob

 

Not Voting (6): Leelou, Pral, BFG, Cass, Verbal, Wombat

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

 

Deadline is Wenesday April 8th @ 4:30pm MST

 

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150408T1630&p0=3862&fg2=80c2da&msg=End+of+D3&csz=1

[BFG]

Good evening :)

[BFG]

I'd read enough (mostly from Day 1) to have a town read on Sili and Thane

 

I also have a town read on Hallia and Verb, but I'm going to read/reread now

 

Anyone care to give the highlights?

[BFG]

BFG will be replacing Sooh

[Kaylee]

[dicetosser1]

So, my scum list looks something like this (scummiest on the top): 

 

Wombat - more on his scum game than town game. Parked vote D1, snarky responses

Eldrick - wanted to lynch from claimed masons to prove them, sheeping, going with the flow and just the way he's phrased a lot of his posts. 

Not Bob - mostly gut feelings and not really seeing what I'd expect out of him as town. 

Dice - seems to be looking for easy targets, not really branching out or going after someone hard. 

Sooh (mentored by Nyn) - not really doing a lot game wise. 

 

The following are town reads, all by posts and how they are holding themselves in the game: 

 

Verbal

Lily

Pral

Hally

Cass (mentored by Darthe)

 

I'm a bit torn between voting Wombat and Eldrick, I want to vote for both of them right now. 

 

 

True about Pral, he has been rather silent. I don't really have a good feeling from Sooh, hence why she's in my scum pile. I'm not really seeing anything out of her. 

 

if the blue is your town list and has pral in it how does the red work? and what gives u town from pral? he has what? 6 posts or something?

[Leelou]

 

So, my scum list looks something like this (scummiest on the top): 

 

Wombat - more on his scum game than town game. Parked vote D1, snarky responses

Eldrick - wanted to lynch from claimed masons to prove them, sheeping, going with the flow and just the way he's phrased a lot of his posts. 

Not Bob - mostly gut feelings and not really seeing what I'd expect out of him as town. 

Dice - seems to be looking for easy targets, not really branching out or going after someone hard. 

Sooh (mentored by Nyn) - not really doing a lot game wise. 

 

The following are town reads, all by posts and how they are holding themselves in the game: 

 

Verbal

Lily

Pral

Hally

Cass (mentored by Darthe)

 

I'm a bit torn between voting Wombat and Eldrick, I want to vote for both of them right now. 

 

 

True about Pral, he has been rather silent. I don't really have a good feeling from Sooh, hence why she's in my scum pile. I'm not really seeing anything out of her. 

 

if the blue is your town list and has pral in it how does the red work? and what gives u town from pral? he has what? 6 posts or something?

 

 

I have a town read on him, but like Verbal said, he's been very quiet. 

[dicetosser1]

an answer that doesnt give an answer

 

unvote vote leelou

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Not Bob (1): Eldrick

Wombat (3): Hally, Lily, Leelou

Hally (1): Not Bob

Leelou (1): Dice

 

Not Voting (6): Leelou, Pral, BFG, Cass, Verbal, Wombat

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

 

Deadline is Wenesday April 8th @ 4:30pm MST

 

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150408T1630&p0=3862&fg2=80c2da&msg=End+of+D3&csz=1

[Verbal32]

I'd read enough (mostly from Day 1) to have a town read on Sili and Thane

 

I also have a town read on Hallia and Verb, but I'm going to read/reread now

 

Anyone care to give the highlights?

Not really - you've got great instincts, so I'd rather not clutter your thinking with what could be bias from my standpoint.  Catch up when you can and we'll chat.

 

 

 

 

an answer that doesnt give an answer

 

unvote vote leelou

 

Hmph.  I'm going to ISO Leelou in response to this.  I feel like I don't have a significant feeling either way, and I think I should be now (I definitely should).  You might be on to something....

[dicetosser1]

i REALLY need to dig back thru what you guys posted while i was away but times going to be really hard to get before DL.

 

Can anyone tell me what page i went away on?? I tried ISOing myself but it didnt work right

[BFG]

I can't believe I'm reading this bit again :/

 

Hallia vs. Yates/Pral

 

Hallia has the better arguments here.

 

Did Pral ever respond to this?

 

 

I'm suspicious because you tried to make it seem like you could onnnnnly be VT Pral, and as people other than me have also said, there were alternatives

No, I never said i can only be VT. I said there was no possibility for me to get a role and hence am vanilla. There is a difference.

 

 

 

 

So, yeah, I had no idea the game had started.

 

So, I had no posts so far.

 

So, no triggers hit.

 

Hence, vanilla town.

 

Carry on.

Pretty sure this reads differently

 

So far Yates/Pral and Dice are lining up against Hallia/Verb and Thane.

 

Other than Pral I'm reading the others as faint town through this

 

Alana agrees with Hallia, but town reads both Hallia and Yates

 

Sili is reading Yates town(ish), I think he waffles on that a little later.

 

Wombat's meh on the argument. Thinks Thane and Alanna look fine, Hallia worried about townies clearing themselves. Wants to move on.

 

Leelou doesn't comment.

 

Bottom of page 17 and both Thane and Hallia seem light hearted, not sure that mafia!Hally goes against Town!Yates like this; cliché game she tried to ignore/shrug off suspicion, not face it head on. I also like that she's not bogged down in the argument and looking elsewhere, even if it is to just ask where people are.

 

Lily doesn't like the early claim.

 

 

 

I'm suspicious because you tried to make it seem like you could onnnnnly be VT Pral, and as people other than me have also said, there were alternatives

No, I never said i can only be VT. I said there was no possibility for me to get a role and hence am vanilla. There is a difference.

 

The problem is we can't possibly know this is true or not until the mod confirms somebody's alignment that helps us understand. Making assumptions on alignment on D1 is never a good idea. While I think it is good of Hallia to continue the idea of "healthy suspicion", I'll admit the next quote by Yates is 100% accurate and loses her points.

 

 

 

 

I said OR MAFIA GOON. I did not call him a mafia goon

Well, that reads as "I think you could be a goon." And I think you know that.

 

This is useless nit-picking mate.

 

I disagree. I think you guys are the ones splitting hairs/nitpicking. Pral said he didn't do anything thus he was VT. Hally said "or Goon." That isn't simple list making. That's Hally challenging the claim by SUGGESTING that he could also be a goon. That's an important distinction. Scum want to keep as many people in the scum pool as possible for as long as possible.

 

Very true.

 

[unvote]

 

I don't like this post by Verb; it reads as contradictory. He thinks Hallia looks good for maintaining suspicion that Pral isn't 'confirmed', but agrees with Yates that Hallia is trying to stop townies from clearing themselves. (Assuming this is all based on Hallia initial post, since every instance since then is in response to someone else)

 

Another 'not here' post by Leelou, but there are several people who haven't chimed in at all since day break yet, from the OP, unless I've missed someone: Eldrick, Cass and NotBob (and looking at timestamp its only been a few hours since the argument began.

 

Eldrick has a here/not here post, suggests lynching masons

 

NotBob asks for a recap

 

Pral/Eldrick are extremely unlikely to be mafia/mafia.

 

Hallia is looking good, and I have a faint town read on Dice, kinda neutral on most others (at least those who haven't flipped) I feel like nobody has said anything they couldn't say as either alignment.

 

I find it somewhat interesting that Hallia took heat for questioning Yates early claim and 'not' Prals, but that Lily didn't. However Yates was driving the Hallia discussion, so it probably means nothing.

[BFG]

Only on page 20, this could be hard to catch up before tomorrow :/

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Just further solidifying my initial reads there, NB

 

So anyone who votes you is scum then...good to know.

[BFG]

I did see how it could be used as fishing. If, for instance, only those that got triggers got roles, then the maf and vanilla would be in the ones that didn't.

 

But that's not the reason I want to know. Mainly because it probably doesn't correlate with the game. It's probably just harmless flavor, like character names.

More likely to come from town? (interested to see if anyone else sees/saw it), I'm guessing Leelou, Verb, NotBob didn't

 

I'm not really liking Leelou yet. Thus far her contributions are 'I'm here' posts and now to stop talking triggers and start talking game play. While I agree with the sentiment, she hasn't commented on any of the gameplay yet, and is commenting on Eldrick 'fishing'.

 

I quite like Cass's OP and agree. Dice is being very direct and looking at a number of different people for different alignments.

 

Eldrick, if you keep focusing on the distraction instead of the game, you're going to get my vote as well.

Similar position to Leelou, thus far Eldrick has made 3 posts(?) on it, 2 in response to someone else.

 

NotBob, trolling, sort of.

 

Lily comes in with the 'Yates stop relying on a claim and scumhunt' yet hasn't offered up reads yet, Hallia likes her vibe though.

 

@ eldrick re yates try factoring in HOW he did it. he did it early he gave specifics and his tone is clean.

 

has he been defensive?? yes he has but that's cause people have this idea that lynching claimed masons D1 is a good thing. Its not. Do we need to watch them in case we are getting scammed? Its YATES! of COURSE we do but if their play doesn't back their claim then we relook at them but definetly not D1. especially as, unless we get a Power role claim yates is a prime candidate for NK tonight.

 

 

right now im thinking you are mafia too

This seems out of place, Yates was defensive long before Eldrick suggested lynching masons, but I like the aggressiveness.

 

 

 

lol@dice believing yates' claim.

 

 

millions of facepalms every second until the sun implodes.

 

he comes out mason and you are gonna owe me a HUGE apology itt sili

Quoted mostly for giggles

 

 

 

@Sili - they are likely masons. All Pral would have to do is say he isn't a Mason and we'd hyper lynch Yates.

 

Yates gets a pass for now. I don't want to hear any more on the Mason claim. In this instance, the mafia will help sort them out.

This shows 'good/logical' progression from Verb, I think - either that or its shocking inconsistency that isn't like Verb in any alignment.

 

 

@Sili - they are likely masons. All Pral would have to do is say he isn't a Mason and we'd hyper lynch Yates.

 

Yates gets a pass for now. I don't want to hear any more on the Mason claim. In this instance, the mafia will help sort them out.

This.

 

The mason team will sort itself out on the subsequent days. Laissez faire.

 

I'm not really agreeing with NotBob here, but I can see where he's coming from (not just this post, but in general).

 

 

@Sili - they are likely masons. All Pral would have to do is say he isn't a Mason and we'd hyper lynch Yates.

 

Yates gets a pass for now. I don't want to hear any more on the Mason claim. In this instance, the mafia will help sort them out.

^This. Although I just ISO'd Pral's posts. At one point he seems to be going along with the mason thing, then responds to Hallia again. Here are all his posts in order. Spoilered.

 

 

 

 

So, yeah, I had no idea the game had started.

 

So, I had no posts so far.

 

So, no triggers hit.

 

Hence, vanilla town.

 

Carry on.

 

 

 

 

 

It's possible not posting is a trigger. =)

Stop role fishing!

 

Fine. The pressure is too great. Pral and I are Masons.

 

Are you HAPPY?? Now we are exposed. Swinging in the wind. With targets on our backs. Thanks a LOT, Sili...

 

Check the QT. Something I noticed.

 

 

 

 

The SCUM QT!

 

 

:p

Nudge

 

 

:)

 

 

 

I'm suspicious because you tried to make it seem like you could onnnnnly be VT Pral, and as people other than me have also said, there were alternatives

No, I never said i can only be VT. I said there was no possibility for me to get a role and hence am vanilla. There is a difference.

 

 

And Leelou gets into the game :)

 

I'll be honest, something between her and Verb isn't sitting right. I'm up to page 28 and there have been no 'snuggles', Leelou is responding to Verb, but he's not talking back yet.

 

Wombat comes in with his Sili sequence of posts, not sure what to make of Wombat yet, like with NotBob, I maybe understand why he's commenting on the things, but I'm context of the game so far they're not stuff that seems strage to me, but maybe that's the benefit of reading with flips.

 

Yates is a lot more logical with Eldrick.

 

 

 

EBWOP - point 1 is something I was hoping you would have spoken with your mentor about before voting. Did you? Because this is absolutely something I would have spoken with you about if you had me instead of the inferior player known as Darthe.

 

 

 

Yeah, Verb comes in on page 33 without responding to Leelou.

 

Intrigued to see if anyone else comments on this, what Lily/Wombat/Dice think.

[BFG]

Leelou/Verb are both 'looking' good individually, but their dynamic seems 'off'.

 

NotBob and Wombat are interesting, they seem to be viewing the game differently/not trying to conform, but I don't get the impression this means anything alignment wise from them. They're interpreting things very differently to me so far.

 

I think I'm leaning town on Eldrick so far.

 

Cass isn't making any impression so far, although I like and agree with the 'off the cuff' read of Dice, certainly a good starting point - she's said more reads, so it will be good to see what they'll be.

 

Hallia starting to get a bit concerning as I don't recall her commenting yet on anything outside of the Yates/Hallia discussion

[Eldrick4221]

Your comment at the end about Yates' logic confuses me. You quoted his mention of Darthe mentoring. Darthe isn't mentoring me. He's mentoring Cass.

[Eldrick4221]

Also, welcome to the game!