Warehouse 13 Mafia- Mafia Wins!

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

My apathy has been triggered unfortunately.

Don't kill eldrick, thane, pralaya, elizabeth, or dice (?).

Fos wombat for keeping a vote on a likely trigger all day. Scum had it in for me. Wombat is in his wolf range.

I don't know about alanna. But I'm pretty sure she's in her scum range too.

My problem with leelou's list is mostly that she joked a lot, and I've never seen her read me town so fast. I wasn't sure if that was alignment indicative after further consideration though.

The list doesn't look as bad in retrospect too, so maybe I overthought it.

Not Bob might be twtbaw. I don't know him, but that's my impression. The so called slip was a reaction test (yes, I'm now giving up on life)... I wanted to see if he'd notice it. But even if it wasn't a reaction test truth is it was a rhetorical question and he took it way out of proportion. It was quite queer, and it was even weirder Wombat didn't say anything.

 

 

I'm always in my wolf range.  If you hadn't been so scummy I would have moved my vote.  I don't believe you about the reaction test.  I didn't comment because I don't really care about potential slips unless they are blatant.

No, you're really far into your wolf range.

You're kind of not even trying. I had to beg you for a case to be made for godsakes. And your read isn't flexible which means either something's wrong with my responses (which you haven't talked about), or you aren't asking the right questions.

Also, I kind of think the real wombat would move his vote off me and pressure other people to do the full rounds. You haven't done the full rounds of course.

 

So far this game, you have made only one post that I can remember thinking was townish.  Why should my read flex if you can't flex it?

You should be looking for reasons to correct your read.

 

So what are you looking for?

[Nolder]

I've gotta get going soon.

Anyone got any last minute questions for me?

[Alanna]

 

The thing about a vig is it can be just as harmful to the town as it can be beneficial (usually it's more harmful). So I don't really consider it much of a pr. And I'd be more inclined to unvote you if you promised to holster Night 1, because IMO, taking a shot Night 1 is usually just pretty dumb.

Maybe. If it saves me I'm willing to agree to those terms.

 

In this case though a vigilante doesn't cost us a mislynch because it's an even number of people.

 

If I kill a townie, we go from mylo to lylo, at worst.

 

 

I would consider unvoting you if if you promised to holster. Although I'm not sure it would matter at this point, as I believe you have 5 votes on you?

 

But I would also need you to commit to a vote somewhere. I'm not going for no lynch.

[WWWwombat]

You should be looking for reasons to correct your read.

 

So what are you looking for?

 

 

Posts that show you are more likely to be coming from a town PoV than a scum one.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

I haven't been scummy in my opinion.

I see you leveraging a disgreement in reads as though it were alignment indicative. I'm not you wombat. Don't have the same standards. Don't have the same game theory. etc.

 

 

If someone has reads that I hate, I better at least be able to see a plausible rationale for them.

Yeah, figure out that I thought yates was lying and pushing everyone who votes him, and then I think it dawns on you that my justification was Yates was pressing his fake claim too hard.

 

That's a completely sympathetic reason, and you know other people have agreed with that line of reasoning, and that should definitely have been enough to question your own basises.

[Nolder]

nevermind im leaving now sorry

[Sili Quirrels]

 

You should be looking for reasons to correct your read.

So what are you looking for?

 

 

Posts that show you are more likely to be coming from a town PoV than a scum one.

You mean like trying to figure people out, and demonstrate a progression of reads? Yeah, I've done that. A lot.

 

You don't need to agree with the logic to see that I'm thinking things through.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

The thing about a vig is it can be just as harmful to the town as it can be beneficial (usually it's more harmful). So I don't really consider it much of a pr. And I'd be more inclined to unvote you if you promised to holster Night 1, because IMO, taking a shot Night 1 is usually just pretty dumb.

 

Maybe. If it saves me I'm willing to agree to those terms.

In this case though a vigilante doesn't cost us a mislynch because it's an even number of people.

If I kill a townie, we go from mylo to lylo, at worst.

 

I would consider unvoting you if if you promised to holster. Although I'm not sure it would matter at this point, as I believe you have 5 votes on you?

 

But I would also need you to commit to a vote somewhere. I'm not going for no lynch.

And you have a better lynch in mind?

[Sili Quirrels]

To tell the truth, I've accepted my death.

 

I'd vote wombat or not bob though, and with a modicum of reluctance, Hallia, because I'm not convinced she's scum, but she could be I guess.

 

Or we can agree to vote on a night kill and I'll make that night kill tonight after we no lynch. =/

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

Actually my last question is kind of irrelevant.

If you thought you were going to be lynched today and you (for some reason) thought claiming would save you why were you being obstinate when it came down to who to shoot?

You seemed against letting town control your shot as an extra lynch but that's generally the accepted way to safely deal with someone who has a shot that you can't confirm as SK or vig.

 

Basically what I'm saying is claiming to save your life and then giving town the middle finger isn't the best way of going about things.

 

ethics.

i don't believe in controlling someone else's pr.

of course i'll accept that if enough people don't agree with my kill I'm dead meat, and that weighs heavily on my mind, but in my mind it's still my role and my decision at the end of the day.

Oh I see. Going down with your ship for your beliefs.

Well that's commendable, I've done it myself more than once.

 

 

Actually my last question is kind of irrelevant.

If you thought you were going to be lynched today and you (for some reason) thought claiming would save you why were you being obstinate when it came down to who to shoot?

You seemed against letting town control your shot as an extra lynch but that's generally the accepted way to safely deal with someone who has a shot that you can't confirm as SK or vig.

 

Basically what I'm saying is claiming to save your life and then giving town the middle finger isn't the best way of going about things.

 

ethics.

i don't believe in controlling someone else's pr.

of course i'll accept that if enough people don't agree with my kill I'm dead meat, and that weighs heavily on my mind, but in my mind it's still my role and my decision at the end of the day.

Oh I see. Going down with your ship for your beliefs.

Well that's commendable, I've done it myself more than once.

But not commendable enough to give me the benefit of the doubt.

 

Well it doesn't look like it matters. I'm prepared to surrender my morals temporarily.

[Sili Quirrels]

Sorry if I've been insufficient.

 

I'm going back on my phone now, so I won't be able to respond in full.

 

I've given you guys my most up to date reads.

 

Here again.

 

Don't lynch Eldrick, Thane, Pralaya, Elizabeth, or Dice (?) without a good reason.

Don't lynch Yates unless Pralaya hard claims vanilla. Also I think I should mention yates has seemed more town as the day has gone on, to me anyway.

 

No clue about verbal, leelou, hallia.

 

That should leave a relatively small poe by day 3. So glgl.

[Alanna]

No

 

 

And you have a better lynch in mind?

 

 

Not really, no. I'd still go for Eldrick, but seems it's probably too late for that. Most people seemed to have checked out.

 

I have no real scum reads right now. Which isn't totally abnormal for me on Day 1, but I do feel I've gotten better at coming up with some solid-ish reads on Day 1 in the past half year or so, so I've been a little frustrated this game. I have to ask myself, why is don't I have any solid reads? Is it because scum is in the low posters, so I'm not getting much from them? (Pral, Sooh, Lily). Is it because scum is in the people I don't know well? (Cass, notbob, Sooh). Is it because scum is playing a good town game so far? (Hallia, dice, Thane) Is it because they're in the people I tend to read better Day 2/3? (Leelou, Wombat, Lily).

 

Reality is, scum is probably spread among all these. And since I have nothing now, I want to end the day with some solid info I can look at. Which is why I definitely don't want a no lynch.

 

When I voted you, Eldrick and Leelou were tied at 3 votes, and I was going to vote Eldrick, because I much preferred that lynch to Leelou. Then I saw you were at 2 votes, and decided to even it up to 3 trains, and watch the fallout from there. At this point, I think your lynch will provide some good info, and I don't think losing a vig is that bad.

 

So...I guess I've talked myself out of the possibility of unvoting you lol. Sorry.

[Alanna]

Oh, and, I don't think getting info from night actions makes up for a no lynch. There's not a ton of info you can get on Night 1 actions (that can be trusted). Roles and their use are overrated, anyway. 

[WWWwombat]

 

 

I haven't been scummy in my opinion.

I see you leveraging a disgreement in reads as though it were alignment indicative. I'm not you wombat. Don't have the same standards. Don't have the same game theory. etc.

 

If someone has reads that I hate, I better at least be able to see a plausible rationale for them.

Yeah, figure out that I thought yates was lying and pushing everyone who votes him, and then I think it dawns on you that my justification was Yates was pressing his fake claim too hard.

 

That's a completely sympathetic reason, and you know other people have agreed with that line of reasoning, and that should definitely have been enough to question your own basises.

 

 

I can see a townie thinking Yates is pushing his claim too hard, but I have a very hard time seeing a townie using that as a justification for a D1 lynch on him.  How many players on this site are obnoxious about "clearing" themselves as town?

[Alanna]

I'm headed out now, though still here on mobile. Posting will be limited tho.

[Sili Quirrels]

You're a horrible person Alanna. **tears.

 

Seriously though, I'm sick of being lynched for information. It's kind of a silly reason.

And as for scum, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a conversation about who was mostly to have triggered something.

 

 

It'd be a kick in the gut if I found out eldrick was scum after the game.

[Alanna]

I disagree it's a silly reason. It helps me scumhunt. And that's what I'm here to do.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

You should be looking for reasons to correct your read.

So what are you looking for?

 

Posts that show you are more likely to be coming from a town PoV than a scum one.

You mean like trying to figure people out, and demonstrate a progression of reads? Yeah, I've done that. A lot.

 

You don't need to agree with the logic to see that I'm thinking things through.

 

 

I don't really think your reads have changed much aside from adding more and more people to your town pile, which mafia and SK can fake very easily.

[WWWwombat]

I would expect town Sili to be mad right now.  I remember that much.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

I haven't been scummy in my opinion.

I see you leveraging a disgreement in reads as though it were alignment indicative. I'm not you wombat. Don't have the same standards. Don't have the same game theory. etc.

 

 

If someone has reads that I hate, I better at least be able to see a plausible rationale for them.

Yeah, figure out that I thought yates was lying and pushing everyone who votes him, and then I think it dawns on you that my justification was Yates was pressing his fake claim too hard.

That's a completely sympathetic reason, and you know other people have agreed with that line of reasoning, and that should definitely have been enough to question your own basises.

 

I can see a townie thinking Yates is pushing his claim too hard, but I have a very hard time seeing a townie using that as a justification for a D1 lynch on him.  How many players on this site are obnoxious about "clearing" themselves as town?

I was using it as justification to build a wagon on him wombat. To get a better read of him. Why don't you know that? Because I made it pretty clear.

 

And as to lynching yates, while it might not be justification in your narrow world, it was in mine. Why? Because I've seen yates be that aggressive a lot lately. I said it's been a long time since I've seen town yates. I said it you know? And you don't think we have a different perspective on what's more/less likely?

 

You think that difference in perspectives actually means anything. You think it means enough to keep yoru vote on me for 5 real life days?

[WWWwombat]

And as to lynching yates, while it might not be justification in your narrow world, it was in mine. Why? Because I've seen yates be that aggressive a lot lately. I said it's been a long time since I've seen town yates. I said it you know? And you don't think we have a different perspective on what's more/less likely?

 

You think that difference in perspectives actually means anything. You think it means enough to keep yoru vote on me for 5 real life days?

 

I was using it as justification to build a wagon on him wombat. To get a better read of him. Why don't you know that? Because I made it pretty clear.

 

It's been a long time since I've seen Town Yates too, but I remember that he's almost always aggressive.  I can accept different perspectives.  I can't accept ones that make no sense from a town PoV.  And just because I have my vote somewhere doesn't mean I don't have multiple irons in the fire.  I was pushing Hallia and probing others.

[Hallia]

You were pushing me? I barely recall much from you.

[Sili Quirrels]

What a wonderful x-post wombat.

 

I can't swear, so it's tempered a little, but I am immensely frustrated. And you can certainly understand why I think it's silly to be voted for information.

 

What kind of information will you even get out of this? Nothing, certainly, that you wouldn't have known otherwise.

 

 

 

And wombat, you just slipped.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]wombat[/v]

 

You called me frustrated in our first interaction. You said it was scummy. Now you're here telling me you expect me to be frustrated. This isn't real thought progression.

 

You can die after I do, or better yet, maybe you can die before if enough people are around.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

And as to lynching yates, while it might not be justification in your narrow world, it was in mine. Why? Because I've seen yates be that aggressive a lot lately. I said it's been a long time since I've seen town yates. I said it you know? And you don't think we have a different perspective on what's more/less likely?

You think that difference in perspectives actually means anything. You think it means enough to keep yoru vote on me for 5 real life days?

 

 

I was using it as justification to build a wagon on him wombat. To get a better read of him. Why don't you know that? Because I made it pretty clear.

 

It's been a long time since I've seen Town Yates too, but I remember that he's almost always aggressive.  I can accept different perspectives.  I can't accept ones that make no sense from a town PoV.  And just because I have my vote somewhere doesn't mean I don't have multiple irons in the fire.  I was pushing Hallia and probing others.

A lot of people have shared my perspective, but you haven't gone after them.

 

You don't make any sense.

[Yates]

Guys. I just flipped Town Jailer over the weekend. And you are CURRENTLY witnessing Town Yates in action. So it hasn't been long. lol