[Advanced] Arthurian Mafia

[Clovdyx]

I know, I was looking at them when I asked.  In fact, that's precisely WHY I asked - you're not really showing much progress in them, other than Dice.  You already had Darthe as second to Lily, and now you're pushing him as your #1.  You had nothing to say about Eldrick (null), who subbed in for Zash (who was null).  You still have the same knock on Thane.  You still seem very good with those you were good with before.

[MrsClov]

 

 

Thanks for the cliff notes :)

Also, since it appears you may need help with some of the subtleties of this game, there are two other things you should know.

1. Sili was trying to provide Vig cover for you. I think I'm one of two or people in this game that would do something like that as scum. Sili isn't one of them.

2. Clov is trying to lay down Seer cover. Again, I think I'm one of two or people in this game that would do something like that as scum. Clov isn't one of them.

Sili is Blue
Clov is Blue
Dice is as Grey as they come

Having two conf Town and a 3rd conf non-mafia this early in the game is a big advantage. Scum will have to take out one of Sili or Clov [and likely leave Dice alive] in order to eliminate conf Town because they can't win an end game with two conf Town still alive.

Darthe is mislynch bait. I think they were hoping Sili would be their next mislynch frame up. Amateurs.

Gut tells me one of Leelou or Nyn is scum.

There's 1 scum on the Lili wagon and it's either Darthe or Barm. Being that I think Darthe is mislynch bait? The math is easy here.

I don't think Dice fake claims survivor as scum so I'm inclined to believe his claim.

I'm guessing there's a 3 man scum team in a game this size given vig and survivor. So that leaves 1 scum in you, Thane or Eldrick.

I can read Thane with high accuracy. I should know by EoD if he is Town or Scum. I'd cop Eldrick, as I said last night. And if I had copped Eldrick last night I'd cop you next as an unknown entity to me.

Yates. Out.

 

 

Bold is completely unnecessary, and I'm taking that as an insult on my intelligence. 

I'll admit that I didn't catch what Sili was trying to do. I've never played with him, and given his erratic behavior I wasn't sure what his motives were. Even if I had known that he was trying to provide me cover, I wouldn't have let him. I'm not letting someone else go down for my decisions, especially when I think they're town as well. Also, where I normally play providing coverage for people isn't a common thing. Some of the top players (Clov) might do it, but that's about it. This is my second game here, so some of the things that people do like that here, I'm not going to pick up instantly. 

I know Clov's game well enough to understand what he was getting at. I just didn't see Dice's response to it.

 

I would agree that  Darthe is mislynch bait, which is why I'm not voting for him. I very much feel that he's town.

 

I'm very much town, and claimed because I thought it was in the best interest for town. 

[Barmacral]

The biggest difference is that I've moved a lot of people out of the null pile towards town, which is how I focus on things. I try to find those who are likely to be town to me and then dig through the rest to find scum. Finding slipups and scummy plays is not one of my strongest points. I rely on reading other people's analysis for those kinds of things.

 

Obviously there's likely to be one or two wrong in my town leaning list, as I mentioned, I think it is most likely to either be Yates or Leelou.

[Darthe]

Mrs Clov, thoughts on Barm?

[Darthe]

The biggest difference is that I've moved a lot of people out of the null pile towards town, which is how I focus on things. I try to find those who are likely to be town to me and then dig through the rest to find scum. Finding slipups and scummy plays is not one of my strongest points. I rely on reading other people's analysis for those kinds of things.

 

Obviously there's likely to be one or two wrong in my town leaning list, as I mentioned, I think it is most likely to either be Yates or Leelou.

So what slips or scummy points have you found on Thane?

[MrsClov]

Mrs Clov, thoughts on Barm?

 

I feel like he's only posting when mentioned. I find it convenient that he's all of the sudden wanting to put in more effort when he's not only tied with you for votes but when you're both what 2 votes away?

 

Actually you know what.

 

[v]Barm[/v] 

[Barmacral]

 

The biggest difference is that I've moved a lot of people out of the null pile towards town, which is how I focus on things. I try to find those who are likely to be town to me and then dig through the rest to find scum. Finding slipups and scummy plays is not one of my strongest points. I rely on reading other people's analysis for those kinds of things.

 

Obviously there's likely to be one or two wrong in my town leaning list, as I mentioned, I think it is most likely to either be Yates or Leelou.

So what slips or scummy points have you found on Thane?

 

 

Answer yours when you answer mine.

[Yates]

Bold is completely unnecessary, and I'm taking that as an insult on my intelligence.

Don't take it too personally. Sometimes messages to one person are actually meant for someone else...

[Barmacral]

 

Mrs Clov, thoughts on Barm?

 

I feel like he's only posting when mentioned. I find it convenient that he's all of the sudden wanting to put in more effort when he's not only tied with you for votes but when you're both what 2 votes away?

 

Actually you know what.

 

[v]Barm[/v] 

 

 

I explained that, if you don't accept it then there isn't much else to say about it. But if/when I die and you see I'm town, please lynch Darthe.

[Darthe]

^Kill it with fire

[Barmacral]

Why? I'm not the one avoiding questions.

[Darthe]

double ninja'd but it still works

 

today is a good day

[Darthe]

Why? I'm not the one avoiding questions.

 

 

 

 

The biggest difference is that I've moved a lot of people out of the null pile towards town, which is how I focus on things. I try to find those who are likely to be town to me and then dig through the rest to find scum. Finding slipups and scummy plays is not one of my strongest points. I rely on reading other people's analysis for those kinds of things.

 

Obviously there's likely to be one or two wrong in my town leaning list, as I mentioned, I think it is most likely to either be Yates or Leelou.

So what slips or scummy points have you found on Thane?

 

 

Answer yours when you answer mine.

 

[Barmacral]

That isn't me avoiding your question, that is me pushing you to stop avoiding mine. But it makes it even more obvious that you have no good answer and calling my vote stupid is the closest thing you can come up with for a defense. So I'll take that for an answer and give you your answer: I already posted my reasons in my list of reads.

[Darthe]

1) I don't know what questions you're talking about

2) Your points against me were and are stupid

3) Not responding to you doesn't validate you not responding to me, it just looks like you're trying to dodge or vie for time.  

[Darthe]

So, tell ya what.  Go ahead and answer that and I'll ISO you to try and find your questions to me.  

[Nynaeve]

Barm is reading sincere. Darthe is scumming up the place. This is the second time his train stalls. If he's that easy of a mislynch than how is it that other trains keep taking priority over his?

 

Yeah. Think about that.

[Barmacral]

Try looking one page back. Bottom post of the page. Not responding to me makes you look like you're avoiding my question. Pushing you to respond when you won't even acknowledge my question? Hardly trying for more time.

 

But I am off to bed, you all have fun killing Darthe (even if it takes mis-lynching me to do it).

[Clovdyx]

Barm is reading sincere. Darthe is scumming up the place. This is the second time his train stalls. If he's that easy of a mislynch than how is it that other trains keep taking priority over his?

 

Yeah. Think about that.

 

This isn't to me, but I have an answer, if you want it.

[MrsClov]

Barm is reading sincere. Darthe is scumming up the place. This is the second time his train stalls. If he's that easy of a mislynch than how is it that other trains keep taking priority over his?

 

Yeah. Think about that.

 

I don't really think it can be considered stalling when we have a full day left. If anything, I think it's giving us a lot more info to work with. 

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Ok, just did a quick ISO of Barm. Still reading null to me. I do agree with his reasoning here, though.

 

Meant to this this morning but ran out of time.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

Basically I think the Verbal kill points at Darthe and makes an easy bit of wifom for him to say "they've obviously framed me". Couple that with his generally scummy behavior in Day 1 (even Darthe admitted that all of the votes on him were valid) and I think he definitely needs to die. Bonus is getting rid of his nasty attitude towards DM mafia and the fact that it'll be an informative lynch towards the rest of the game.

 

 

Everything he said was stupid.  Why?  Because it is WIFOM and he used it to point in a direction.

 

 

Please explain, without resorting to name calling, why it is stupid. I'll understand if you're incapable of responding to this post.

 

Found this.  Thought it was rhetorical but it's the only question.  Let's address them backwards.  

 

Informative lynches are bogus and that's been covered a dozen times.  Knowing that someone is going to be lynched for info means that mafia can compensate for that thus making it WIFOM or null.

 

I don't have a nasty attitude towards DM mafia but if I did it wouldn't be alignment indicative.  That's not a point against me yet it's cited as a reason to vote me.  I'm not very tolerant of that and it actually reinforces my point about DM mindsets as a whole since it shows that people are willing to follow dubious reasoning so long as it feels better.

 

My "generally scummy" D1 behavior is ill defined here, references a single early play I made (intentionally) and have defended ever sense and the mentality of it is based on a negative bias towards my reactions rather than a logical reaction or interpretation of my play, again reinforcing the above.  That the initial play garnered votes was fine but gaining them from the subsequent reactions showed people reacting through inattention, bias or ulterior motivations and has produced a lot of fruit.  

 

WIFOM is WIFOM, aka it could go either way because neither can be concluded with much certainty.  Using it to confirm one result or another is a direct logical fallacy.  

 

Bonus: Calling your post stupid doesn't equate to calling you stupid.  You actually seem quite sharp which reinforces that you're likely not town here.

[Darthe]

Barm is reading sincere. Darthe is scumming up the place. This is the second time his train stalls. If he's that easy of a mislynch than how is it that other trains keep taking priority over his?

 

Yeah. Think about that.

Pitifully biased

 

Try looking one page back. Bottom post of the page. Not responding to me makes you look like you're avoiding my question. Pushing you to respond when you won't even acknowledge my question? Hardly trying for more time.

 

But I am off to bed, you all have fun killing Darthe (even if it takes mis-lynching me to do it).

So... not responding to a question that takes less than a minute to respond to.  Got it.

 

Really looks genuine here Nyn, I can totally see that now.

[Darthe]

Guys, I'm not the lead train.  Stop stalling my lynch.  

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

The main reason I haven't pushed him is the same reason I haven't pushed anyone else yet. I have been busy lately, and haven't gotten the chance to sit down and reread, or do ISOs. I'm doing that later today.

 

But, if dice had gotten pressure, I have no problem lynching a survivor. I have been burned too many times with a fake survivor claim.

 

But, since you cleared him, that's as far as that will go.

 

Y u gotta be like dat doe?

 

Seriously - speak your mind on the topic. If you think I'm approaching it wrong, throw it out there. Give me your thoughts. I said why I believe him; if you're inclined to disagree, make the argument. Maybe you saw something from him I didn't. Maybe we'll continue to disagree, but I'll at least get some perspective on you.

I'm not disagreeing. I don't trust survivor claims in a general sense, but you helped me trust it. That is all.

[Nynaeve]

 

 

Barm is reading sincere. Darthe is scumming up the place. This is the second time his train stalls. If he's that easy of a mislynch than how is it that other trains keep taking priority over his?

 

Yeah. Think about that.

This isn't to me, but I have an answer, if you want it.

I do