Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Nol: no comment on what AJ had said?

I was going to address AJ in a moment.

 

Or are you talking about a specific post?

 

 

 

Nolder twists the narrative. Same problems as before.

What's twisted? It's real easy to just say but can you back it up with facts?

You can't because I'm not. Everything I've said about you has been using your own words and the few times I don't I am very clear there are different possibilities and what my interpretation is such as in the case of not being on the Dice lynch.

 

Hot air.

 

Wasn't talking to you anyway.

 

I'm talking to you. Back up your claim. What's "twisted" about my "narrative" huh? What isn't true about what I've said?

 

Okay, it seems like you're honestly distressed so I'll entertain you. My problems are these: you quote out of context. you're paranoid; I have progression on hallia that you conveniently miss when throwing around allegations that I flip on her without due diligence; then you accuse me of starting that kerfuffle earlier today when you were the one in the wrong.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

I've gone back to Nolder's mq.

 

 

 

 

verbal - You don't like his no vote, but leelou said it wasn't unusual

Yeah, she did. I also noted that it's possible they're mafia together and thus statements like that are to be taken with a grain of salt at the very least.

Not in your list, you don't.  And they probably aren't w/w together too, that sounds like paranoia.

 

 

Sili - you don't like halliash, but never bother to explain what you mean.

there's not much else to say, so i guess I like Hallia's content. I think it's because her reads feel very 'halliaish'.

 

Is it a soul read? I dunno. I just a good initial vibe and there's nothing else to say.

Don't remember this? Aren't you paying attention?

Unless I should take nonsense and empty air as sufficient explication, you hadn't explained it until just recently.

 

you don't comment on my recent progression,

What does that even mean?

Day 2 material. What was the point of all that if not to understand each other better.

 

 

i don't even know why you think no-voting is odd when it meant nothing to you last night. That adjustment is way too convenient; like, it looks like you're latching on to a little controversy and parroting it without critical thought. News flash: Dice was at L-1. There was no way I was voting him unless there was a competing wagon to trump.

 

You don't seem to comprehend what you're saying. Do you even believe it?

This was something I had a nice long response to that got lost.

Let's start with the quote though.

 

I was thinking about waiting for D2 but something's been bugging me since yesterday and I wanna get it off my chest both before I forget and in case I die.

 

I don't like that Sili said he'd vote for Dice but never actually did. It's like he's accepting responsibility now thinking that it looks and hoping we'll forget later when we examine lynch trains. Maybe that's way off you know. He might even be scum but not doing that intentionally. It's just a thought I had and I wanted to get it out.

 

So, yeah.

 

What's everyone doing this weekend?

Meant nothing to me? That's why I posted about it right?

Parroting? Who am I parroting? Who said that before me?

 

Now this is the part that pisses me off that I lost the most but I'll try to hit the important points again.

 

This is what I'm talking about when I say you're making strong statements without really knowing people.

Do I even believe it? Maybe if you'd actually played more than a couple games with me you'd know what I believe instead of just spouting bullshit about what you think you know about me.

If I knew you better, maybe I wouldn't be giving it as much weight, but as you say... I don't.

 

If you'd played with me enough you'd know that I don't abide people voting without a reason and not voting someone while continually casting suspicion on them. I hound those people and vote them until they give a reason or they vote the people they supposedly think are suspicious. Why? Because it nails them down. When someone votes someone else and gives no reason and later it comes up they can give any reason they want that's convenient at the time. But if you force them to give the reason they have no wiggle room. Why do you think they record everything you say in court? Why do you think they take peoples depositions? Because it nails their asses down to a set of statements and once you have them nailed down you can go over what they've said they believe and look for inconsistencies and contradictions.

 

That's why when I see you choosing not to vote Dice it sets off alarm bells. It's possible you're just thinking to yourself "the deadline is soon and we have a majority anyway so my vote doesn't matter". Maybe. Maybe. It's possible. It's also possible that you were hoping you could take responsibility for Dice's lynch in the short term but by not being on the train people would forget you had anything to do with it as the game went on. That's possible too.

You understand I comment to the effect I don't want to lynch Dice before eod? That's my reason down on paper like you seem to want.

 

So you're going to sit over there and say things like "this is Nolder's town game" and "this is Nolder's scum game" when you don't even really know me. Do I believe it? How the hell would you know either way? You really don't and that's what I've been getting at all game about you. You don't know but you make these strong statements about people anyway. It's either scummy or...looking for the right word here. Maybe arrogant? You think you know everything about people so quick and when you show your ignorance it REALLY shows. I never say this is your town game - honestly don't think I know it well enough to even say that. What I do say is this reminds me of your last scum game, specifically, in certain ways. That could mean you're town and there's a bit of overlap, or it could mean you're mafia. All I'm pointing out is that you're capable of bad reads as scum.

 

Thane - Have him as scum, but don't show a reason.

Actually I said leaning scum. And my reasoning is the same as before because like I said I don't recall him posting yet since Nyn's death so my read on him hasn't changed.

 

You simply state he hasn't posted much like he did last game.

I never said anything about "last game". You made that up.

Not taken as intended. I am pointing out you seem to think Thane is scum, and the only reason you give is sporadic activity, which is pretty much how he came across last game. My gut says there are some differences to be sure, but I don't see anything compelling in your case that would lead someone to a scum lean.

 

Hallia - Hallia said your meta is wrong of her, and that you should know as much.

Ok? So because she said I'm wrong I guess that must be true.

 

Sarcasm aside I believe Leelou also backed this meta read of her scum game.

 

Leelou said it wasn't indicative either way, which is to say she didn't agree with your read.

And I don't believe villager you forgets this/doesn't mention it in a reads list of this volume.

There you go making statements about me again.

How many games have we played together? This is the third I think right? One of our games together was very brief and I was scum. You really think you know what "villager me" does or doesn't do? I don't know. I have thoughts though. And maybe I'm projecting a little since I would have if I wanted to be thorough.

 

Anyway I don't see why I would mention it. Hallia disagrees with me. Cool. Whatever. It's still my read and I'm still going to post my read when I post my list of reads.

 

And as I have pointed out, Hallia's post quality is in line with what I've seen from her other town games.

That's your opinion.

Cool.

 

I thought this was supposed to be some sort of take down about how my reads are lacking or incomplete, not how you disagree with everything I say? Those two aren't the same thing you know.

 

Tina - Re.

"Tina - Quiet but that's not unusual for her. Would like to see some more posts since I think she's the lowest poster besides Hallia. Null."

This is almost a blasphemous reduction of her content. I would vote you on this statement alone and not look back.

Explain how please.

Just ISO her. She has few posts but she says a lot in them. I'm sure you can come up with better than 'null' when no one besides you has her as null.

 

The Crusher - You put him down as null, but intone he could be lurking the thread.

Not how I put it but sure. What about it?  Looks like a soft nudge, fishing for a wagon. Phrased awkwardly enough that it tilts me, etc.

 

You offer no hard opinion of your own.

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I JUST GAVE my opinion. And your opinion is soft and fence-sitting.

 

Also, how does Verbal noting someone's meta without drawing any conclusions from it a sign that he's town?

It doesn't necessarily.

They could easily be teammates.

But it would mean that Verbal is playing for the long game and in either case it makes me feel more confident in my town read. Calling out people for scum behavior is generally town behavior. Scum don't usually distance so early.

But... why doesn't scum expound a town's meta when asked? It's not as if they can't or won't if they want to be 'useful'. Because what's in it for Verbal to ignore my request for information? Probably a lot of hassle because I don't like it when someone actively ignores me.

 

Leelou - Pretty sure Leelou is at the bottom of the poe for a reason.

That reason being? Her response to verbal. Her fence-sitting, which she really shouldn't be doing as much as she has in my opinion (could be wrong here and would need to reeducate myself before I say more), and her missing 15 hours or so. I've noted that her excuse she's busy seems more shallow than usual. She brings it up when not asked at night, and I think that was completely unnecessary unless she'st trying to push an agenda.

 

You reading her as town so easily despite all the talk about her is a big red flag.

Ok.

 

I still don't see how this is some take down and not just you disagreeing with everything I say. Basically it shows you haven't been paying attention.

 

Kaylee - Why don't you like her vote on dice?

It wasn't exactly her vote on Dice so much as it was the reasoning. I recall several people using the same reasoning which makes me worried she's just sheeping. I already noted that this isn't necessarily and indication of her being scum (which is why I list her as null).  Then why bring it up as much as you did if it's in the end null?

 

Everyone voted dice.

No they didn't. Don't be like that. Everyone around wanted/had no problem with voting dice.

 

Dice was rand to be scum at that point in the thread for a plethora of reasons.

I don't know what that means. My fault. I mean Dice had a lot of scum equity.

 

 

Also, this is another instance of you, Nolder, not knowing anything about the subject of an easy read.

I admitted in Kaylee's case I don't remember much of what she's said. I talked about what seemed relevant to me and the game which was her vote. Which ended up being null.

 

Aj - While I agree Aj is hard to read, I also recognize Aj has been pretty reasonable and on the ball, and is actually kind of clean as we approach eod2. So a 'completely' null read on him doesn't cut it at this point. You needed to put your foot down and take a stance, and you don't.

I don't have a read on him yet and I'm not going to force one just because that bothers you.

If you don't like it vote me. Oh right, you did. So...what are we doing here again? Just going over how you disagree with everything I say right? I'm going over how lacking your list is. It really is kind of hollow and devoid of compelling logic, and I'm having trouble seeing how it isn't a wolf's list. I shouldn't be able to disagree with it to this extent.

 

Red - wut. you haven't talked about red in so long, i'd forgotten (?) you'd had a scum lean on her.

Oh, aren't you paying attention?

 

And actually she went from town read to scum read. I don't have a perfect memory... and you were changing your stance on her after all? You don't give anything specific in your strongest scum read in this list, and prior to it you don't even have this person as scum. What is Red supposed to be replying to??

 

Now she's your strongest suspect?

Yep. I said my D1 list was subject to change.

 

I'm counting 2 town leans, 5 scum leans, and 3 null. The amount of scum and null at this point is bad when you consider you spend more time arguing with me and socializing with the thread than hunting scum.

Maybe I'd have more time to scumhunt if I wasn't busy dealing with the dumb shit you keep coming up with. That was unfortunately you, lol. You were the one who misrepresented me, and I was the one who took you to task over it. And it was YOUR fault for being such an airhead that the conversation went on so long.

You know, like I was doing when I first signed on today before you side tracked me? Yeah. That's not how it works.

 

And before you go "oh well I didn't MAKE you do anything" don't even try because you were clearly bitching at me to post more content as I was even typing it and sniping at each thing as it came. You keep talking about engaging me and now you're going to complain that I spend too much time arguing with you? GFY I didn't say you should offer me a list. I tell you once that I'm expecting more from you, after 40 or so minutes of radio silence.

 

 

 

Not much else to say, except I felt a response was necessary to show I do care. And to be perfectly honest Nolder has good tone and I can't get over that. I feel like he would be more obvious if he was scum based on what he told me about his scum game.

 

So tl;dr I'm not sure where I stand. Read is currently in flux after going back and forth on him twice.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if scum was exactly Red leelou and thane. And I'm bashing my head in to find out who fits better in my game solve: Hallia or Nolder.

 

Thane is curiously absent today. I kind of figured he would be in here making reads.

jfc you're not even from this site and you do the typing inside peoples quotes thing.

 

You don't know this because it's never come up between us but I normally don't read or respond to stuff in quotes. I don't like it because in the past it's gotten way out of hand and given me some bad headaches. I'll read and respond to what you wrote here in a moment but in the future just know that if you want me to read and respond to something don't type inside quotes. Thanks.

 

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what?

[Hallia]

As for the people saying I only pop in when I'm mentioned: not even. I'm popping in as I have free time between activities.  Good to see I was right about my feels on Nol though.

[Red2111]

Glad with my vote then. AJ lawkGOAT this game.

 

@sili - I have you in the red because of your interaction with dice D1. I dislike the linkage that you had between yourself and him. Then there's the day one convo that you started that was mainly big game hunting i dislike that greatly. you're no vote on dice close to the deadline. And your back and forth today with nol reeks.

 

@nol - it was 4hrs to deadline when when I switched my vote. I had it on Kaylee, but the wagons were between you and her; between the two of you I find you more scummy than her I've already listed reasons why.

[Kaylee]

As for the people saying I only pop in when I'm mentioned: not even. I'm popping in as I have free time between activities. Good to see I was right about my feels on Nol though.

So do you have a reads list? You haven't offered much this game.

[Nolder]

It's going to be Nolder, Leelou and Thane.

 

I would bet the house on that.

???

 

That's a weird list dude.

Ok, I can see me being on it since you've been on my case pretty much this entire game and I've had several very distracting blowouts with Sili but I don't get why Leelou and Thane are on that list. I have Leelou as town and Thane really hasn't said much in a long time so unless that's why he's on your list I don't get it. I'm even more confused because I don't see any connection between us. I've talked to Leelou a bit and gotten on Thane's case but...you think we're mafia together? Just doesn't make sense to me. You're on the wrong track bro and not just about me.

 

IF I'm wrong, I would retake a look at players like Kaylee or Red (although Red's newest post putting Nolder in the lead probably clears her), but knowing that this will make me sound conceited I really doubt that I'm mistaken with my reads.

Really? So Red would be guilty but because she voted me she's innocent? What? You have it out for me that bad?

 

Here's the thing, I've been playing today with the knowledge that Nolder is guilty.

 

I tracked him last Night and sure enough, he visited Nynaeve. Withstanding there being some kind of manipulation role, this is about as sure fire as it gets. I contemplated holding off on revealing since it seems Nolder might swing today as it were, but I still feel like this knowledge is important and should be shared in the event that I'm killed without revealing. I don't want my posts to be looked at in hindsight and for others to think I mean things I didn't when my role is revealed.

Oh shit! No wonder.

Dude you've got me wrong.

I tacked Nyn last night and she went nowhere.

I had a 1 shot track or 1 shot hide and I chose to use the track.

 

You can lynch me to be sure I guess but after you do you know who to go after: Red/Sili/Hallia

 

Presumably, I have went back and looked at various players' reads list and their interactions with my known guilty target and have kind of crunched the numbers a bit. Sorry that I had to string you along Sili, but I asked pointed questions at the beginning of this phase purposely to see where you would land irt Nolder. I feel reasonably safe seeing as how he focused his attention on you the most to keep from actually scum hunting that you are probably clear. I feel similarly about Hallia, not just because of their back and forth but because of some of the others things that she pointed out in her last posts that coincide with how I'm seeing the game. I'll pull quotes and what not to show what I'm talking about but based on the way Nolder and others have regarded each other and my own feelings on the player list I am about 92% confident that all the Mafia are in Nolder, Leelou & Thane.

You are so so wrong about this AJ. And not just about me.

[Sili Quirrels]

Glad with my vote then. AJ lawkGOAT this game.

 

@sili - I have you in the red because of your interaction with dice D1. I dislike the linkage that you had between yourself and him. Then there's the day one convo that you started that was mainly big game hunting i dislike that greatly. you're no vote on dice close to the deadline. And your back and forth today with nol reeks.

 

1. what linkage? he was town too.

2. big game hunting may be -ev, but it is not inherently related to one's wolf equity.

2. no vote is irrelevant, as explained.

4. nol was the one who was MISREPRESENTING ME. Am I supposed to not respond to it.

[Sili Quirrels]

(why would you track nyn - you had her as town)

[Hallia]

I had Nol as scum

 

Town on Verb, AJ, Leelou, and now town on Sili.

 

Null on Thane, Crush, and Kaylee

 

Null to Scum on Tina and Red

[Nolder]

Nol: no comment on what AJ had said?

Yeah I saw it now. Was catching up.

He's wrong. He saw me track Nyn was all.

I don't blame him for thinking I'm the guilty one since she died but it wasn't me.

[Kaylee]

Red: I've copied this from your earlier post... you said "Sili is in firm Redzone now, Nol is in Orange/Red zone."

 

Why vote Nol when Sili was a stronger scum read? I know you'd prefer to lynch me but my train wasn't taking off, but why not then go for your next strong scum read?

[Kaylee]

(why would you track nyn - you had her as town)

This

[Nolder]

Okay, it seems like you're honestly distressed so I'll entertain you. My problems are these: you quote out of context. you're paranoid; I have progression on hallia that you conveniently miss when throwing around allegations that I flip on her without due diligence; then you accuse me of starting that kerfuffle earlier today when you were the one in the wrong.

First of all, examples.

 

Secondly lol at some of those. I don't even know wtf you mean about Hallia but I don't know why "progression" on her would matter to me in relation to you or what it has to do with me. You don't make any sense.

[Kaylee]

I had Nol as scum

 

Town on Verb, AJ, Leelou, and now town on Sili.

 

Null on Thane, Crush, and Kaylee

 

Null to Scum on Tina and Red

When you can please explain why on your scum pile.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Okay, it seems like you're honestly distressed so I'll entertain you. My problems are these: you quote out of context. you're paranoid; I have progression on hallia that you conveniently miss when throwing around allegations that I flip on her without due diligence; then you accuse me of starting that kerfuffle earlier today when you were the one in the wrong.

First of all, examples.

 

Secondly lol at some of those. I don't even know wtf you mean about Hallia but I don't know why "progression" on her would matter to me in relation to you or what it has to do with me. You don't make any sense.

 

Well that's probably the source of the problem.

[Nolder]

 

 

I've gone back to Nolder's mq.

 

 

 

 

verbal - You don't like his no vote, but leelou said it wasn't unusual

Yeah, she did. I also noted that it's possible they're mafia together and thus statements like that are to be taken with a grain of salt at the very least.

Not in your list, you don't.  And they probably aren't w/w together too, that sounds like paranoia.

 

 

Sili - you don't like halliash, but never bother to explain what you mean.

there's not much else to say, so i guess I like Hallia's content. I think it's because her reads feel very 'halliaish'.

 

Is it a soul read? I dunno. I just a good initial vibe and there's nothing else to say.

Don't remember this? Aren't you paying attention?

Unless I should take nonsense and empty air as sufficient explication, you hadn't explained it until just recently.

 

you don't comment on my recent progression,

What does that even mean?

Day 2 material. What was the point of all that if not to understand each other better.

 

 

i don't even know why you think no-voting is odd when it meant nothing to you last night. That adjustment is way too convenient; like, it looks like you're latching on to a little controversy and parroting it without critical thought. News flash: Dice was at L-1. There was no way I was voting him unless there was a competing wagon to trump.

 

You don't seem to comprehend what you're saying. Do you even believe it?

This was something I had a nice long response to that got lost.

Let's start with the quote though.

 

I was thinking about waiting for D2 but something's been bugging me since yesterday and I wanna get it off my chest both before I forget and in case I die.

 

I don't like that Sili said he'd vote for Dice but never actually did. It's like he's accepting responsibility now thinking that it looks and hoping we'll forget later when we examine lynch trains. Maybe that's way off you know. He might even be scum but not doing that intentionally. It's just a thought I had and I wanted to get it out.

 

So, yeah.

 

What's everyone doing this weekend?

Meant nothing to me? That's why I posted about it right?

Parroting? Who am I parroting? Who said that before me?

 

Now this is the part that pisses me off that I lost the most but I'll try to hit the important points again.

 

This is what I'm talking about when I say you're making strong statements without really knowing people.

Do I even believe it? Maybe if you'd actually played more than a couple games with me you'd know what I believe instead of just spouting bullshit about what you think you know about me.

If I knew you better, maybe I wouldn't be giving it as much weight, but as you say... I don't.

 

If you'd played with me enough you'd know that I don't abide people voting without a reason and not voting someone while continually casting suspicion on them. I hound those people and vote them until they give a reason or they vote the people they supposedly think are suspicious. Why? Because it nails them down. When someone votes someone else and gives no reason and later it comes up they can give any reason they want that's convenient at the time. But if you force them to give the reason they have no wiggle room. Why do you think they record everything you say in court? Why do you think they take peoples depositions? Because it nails their asses down to a set of statements and once you have them nailed down you can go over what they've said they believe and look for inconsistencies and contradictions.

 

That's why when I see you choosing not to vote Dice it sets off alarm bells. It's possible you're just thinking to yourself "the deadline is soon and we have a majority anyway so my vote doesn't matter". Maybe. Maybe. It's possible. It's also possible that you were hoping you could take responsibility for Dice's lynch in the short term but by not being on the train people would forget you had anything to do with it as the game went on. That's possible too.

You understand I comment to the effect I don't want to lynch Dice before eod? That's my reason down on paper like you seem to want.

 

So you're going to sit over there and say things like "this is Nolder's town game" and "this is Nolder's scum game" when you don't even really know me. Do I believe it? How the hell would you know either way? You really don't and that's what I've been getting at all game about you. You don't know but you make these strong statements about people anyway. It's either scummy or...looking for the right word here. Maybe arrogant? You think you know everything about people so quick and when you show your ignorance it REALLY shows. I never say this is your town game - honestly don't think I know it well enough to even say that. What I do say is this reminds me of your last scum game, specifically, in certain ways. That could mean you're town and there's a bit of overlap, or it could mean you're mafia. All I'm pointing out is that you're capable of bad reads as scum.

 

Thane - Have him as scum, but don't show a reason.

Actually I said leaning scum. And my reasoning is the same as before because like I said I don't recall him posting yet since Nyn's death so my read on him hasn't changed.

 

You simply state he hasn't posted much like he did last game.

I never said anything about "last game". You made that up.

Not taken as intended. I am pointing out you seem to think Thane is scum, and the only reason you give is sporadic activity, which is pretty much how he came across last game. My gut says there are some differences to be sure, but I don't see anything compelling in your case that would lead someone to a scum lean.

 

Hallia - Hallia said your meta is wrong of her, and that you should know as much.

Ok? So because she said I'm wrong I guess that must be true.

 

Sarcasm aside I believe Leelou also backed this meta read of her scum game.

 

Leelou said it wasn't indicative either way, which is to say she didn't agree with your read.

And I don't believe villager you forgets this/doesn't mention it in a reads list of this volume.

There you go making statements about me again.

How many games have we played together? This is the third I think right? One of our games together was very brief and I was scum. You really think you know what "villager me" does or doesn't do? I don't know. I have thoughts though. And maybe I'm projecting a little since I would have if I wanted to be thorough.

 

Anyway I don't see why I would mention it. Hallia disagrees with me. Cool. Whatever. It's still my read and I'm still going to post my read when I post my list of reads.

 

And as I have pointed out, Hallia's post quality is in line with what I've seen from her other town games.

That's your opinion.

Cool.

 

I thought this was supposed to be some sort of take down about how my reads are lacking or incomplete, not how you disagree with everything I say? Those two aren't the same thing you know.

 

Tina - Re.

"Tina - Quiet but that's not unusual for her. Would like to see some more posts since I think she's the lowest poster besides Hallia. Null."

This is almost a blasphemous reduction of her content. I would vote you on this statement alone and not look back.

Explain how please.

Just ISO her. She has few posts but she says a lot in them. I'm sure you can come up with better than 'null' when no one besides you has her as null.

 

The Crusher - You put him down as null, but intone he could be lurking the thread.

Not how I put it but sure. What about it?  Looks like a soft nudge, fishing for a wagon. Phrased awkwardly enough that it tilts me, etc.

 

You offer no hard opinion of your own.

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I JUST GAVE my opinion. And your opinion is soft and fence-sitting.

 

Also, how does Verbal noting someone's meta without drawing any conclusions from it a sign that he's town?

It doesn't necessarily.

They could easily be teammates.

But it would mean that Verbal is playing for the long game and in either case it makes me feel more confident in my town read. Calling out people for scum behavior is generally town behavior. Scum don't usually distance so early.

But... why doesn't scum expound a town's meta when asked? It's not as if they can't or won't if they want to be 'useful'. Because what's in it for Verbal to ignore my request for information? Probably a lot of hassle because I don't like it when someone actively ignores me.

 

Leelou - Pretty sure Leelou is at the bottom of the poe for a reason.

That reason being? Her response to verbal. Her fence-sitting, which she really shouldn't be doing as much as she has in my opinion (could be wrong here and would need to reeducate myself before I say more), and her missing 15 hours or so. I've noted that her excuse she's busy seems more shallow than usual. She brings it up when not asked at night, and I think that was completely unnecessary unless she'st trying to push an agenda.

 

You reading her as town so easily despite all the talk about her is a big red flag.

Ok.

 

I still don't see how this is some take down and not just you disagreeing with everything I say. Basically it shows you haven't been paying attention.

 

Kaylee - Why don't you like her vote on dice?

It wasn't exactly her vote on Dice so much as it was the reasoning. I recall several people using the same reasoning which makes me worried she's just sheeping. I already noted that this isn't necessarily and indication of her being scum (which is why I list her as null).  Then why bring it up as much as you did if it's in the end null?

 

Everyone voted dice.

No they didn't. Don't be like that. Everyone around wanted/had no problem with voting dice.

 

Dice was rand to be scum at that point in the thread for a plethora of reasons.

I don't know what that means. My fault. I mean Dice had a lot of scum equity.

 

 

Also, this is another instance of you, Nolder, not knowing anything about the subject of an easy read.

I admitted in Kaylee's case I don't remember much of what she's said. I talked about what seemed relevant to me and the game which was her vote. Which ended up being null.

 

Aj - While I agree Aj is hard to read, I also recognize Aj has been pretty reasonable and on the ball, and is actually kind of clean as we approach eod2. So a 'completely' null read on him doesn't cut it at this point. You needed to put your foot down and take a stance, and you don't.

I don't have a read on him yet and I'm not going to force one just because that bothers you.

If you don't like it vote me. Oh right, you did. So...what are we doing here again? Just going over how you disagree with everything I say right? I'm going over how lacking your list is. It really is kind of hollow and devoid of compelling logic, and I'm having trouble seeing how it isn't a wolf's list. I shouldn't be able to disagree with it to this extent.

 

Red - wut. you haven't talked about red in so long, i'd forgotten (?) you'd had a scum lean on her.

Oh, aren't you paying attention?

 

And actually she went from town read to scum read. I don't have a perfect memory... and you were changing your stance on her after all? You don't give anything specific in your strongest scum read in this list, and prior to it you don't even have this person as scum. What is Red supposed to be replying to??

 

Now she's your strongest suspect?

Yep. I said my D1 list was subject to change.

 

I'm counting 2 town leans, 5 scum leans, and 3 null. The amount of scum and null at this point is bad when you consider you spend more time arguing with me and socializing with the thread than hunting scum.

Maybe I'd have more time to scumhunt if I wasn't busy dealing with the dumb shit you keep coming up with. That was unfortunately you, lol. You were the one who misrepresented me, and I was the one who took you to task over it. And it was YOUR fault for being such an airhead that the conversation went on so long.

You know, like I was doing when I first signed on today before you side tracked me? Yeah. That's not how it works.

 

And before you go "oh well I didn't MAKE you do anything" don't even try because you were clearly bitching at me to post more content as I was even typing it and sniping at each thing as it came. You keep talking about engaging me and now you're going to complain that I spend too much time arguing with you? GFY I didn't say you should offer me a list. I tell you once that I'm expecting more from you, after 40 or so minutes of radio silence.

 

 

 

Not much else to say, except I felt a response was necessary to show I do care. And to be perfectly honest Nolder has good tone and I can't get over that. I feel like he would be more obvious if he was scum based on what he told me about his scum game.

 

So tl;dr I'm not sure where I stand. Read is currently in flux after going back and forth on him twice.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if scum was exactly Red leelou and thane. And I'm bashing my head in to find out who fits better in my game solve: Hallia or Nolder.

 

Thane is curiously absent today. I kind of figured he would be in here making reads.

 

jfc you're not even from this site and you do the typing inside peoples quotes thing.

 

You don't know this because it's never come up between us but I normally don't read or respond to stuff in quotes. I don't like it because in the past it's gotten way out of hand and given me some bad headaches. I'll read and respond to what you wrote here in a moment but in the future just know that if you want me to read and respond to something don't type inside quotes. Thanks.

 

...

 

what?

 

I don't know how I can be clearer...

 

I don't read posts that are nested inside other peoples quotes. It gives me headaches. You didn't know this so I'll do it for you just please don't do it in the future if you want me to read your posts that's all.

[Cory Caboose]

D2.6 Final Vote Count

 

 

Nolder (6): Andrej, Sili Quirrels, Red2111, Kaylee, TinaHel, Hallia
Hallia (2): Leelou, Nolder

Not Voting (3): Verbal32, Thane Vakarian, The Crusher

Nolder has been lynched. Write-up incoming...

[Red2111]

 

Glad with my vote then. AJ lawkGOAT this game.

@sili - I have you in the red because of your interaction with dice D1. I dislike the linkage that you had between yourself and him. Then there's the day one convo that you started that was mainly big game hunting i dislike that greatly. you're no vote on dice close to the deadline. And your back and forth today with nol reeks.

 

1. what linkage? he was town too.

2. big game hunting may be -ev, but it is not inherently related to one's wolf equity.

2. no vote is irrelevant, as explained.

4. nol was the one who was MISREPRESENTING ME. Am I supposed to not respond to it.

1. U went out of your way to link yourself and dice together with the "weak" comment. Then u went at him D1 and then gave some halfassed reason for not votingbhim even though you claimed you had him as scum on your list.

 

2. Ur the only one writing it off, others aren't. The fact is you tried to distance yourself from a lynch you pushed that flipped townie by refusing to hammer even though you were around to do so and stated you would. Its scummy. Why were you afraid to hammer dice?

 

3. It was big game hunting. Ur first post was "who are the strongest players, let's go after them". Its lazy any like nyn said, nothing but WIFOM.

 

4. Its not that you shouldn't respond, its that the entire fiasco is distracting. Nol flips scum then I might, might, think differently. I certainly won't use it in a case against you. But it doesn't discount that the entire affair stinks. I fosd nol on it too, so don't get your knickers in a twist

[Nolder]

@nol - it was 4hrs to deadline when when I switched my vote. I had it on Kaylee, but the wagons were between you and her; between the two of you I find you more scummy than her I've already listed reasons why.

You have me as "orange" and your scumlist but put Kaylee at 98%. Sili is firmly in the red.

 

Either you're not voting your biggest scumleads or your list doesn't make sense.

Choose.

[Red2111]

(why would you track nyn - you had her as town)

  

 

This is a good point and question

 

 

Red: I've copied this from your earlier post... you said "Sili is in firm Redzone now, Nol is in Orange/Red zone."

Why vote Nol when Sili was a stronger scum read? I know you'd prefer to lynch me but my train wasn't taking off, but why not then go for your next strong scum read?

4hrs to deadline and he wasn't a train.

 

Given nols recent scra!being and AJs reveal im happy with my vote

[Nolder]

(why would you track nyn - you had her as town)

You said it yourself, paranoia.

I didn't like her posts about me felt like she was playing a good town game but maybe just blending in as scum so I tracked her to see what I'd come up with. It was dumb because I wasted my power but eh, it's hard to make use of a 1x track anyway.

[Nolder]

Red: I've copied this from your earlier post... you said "Sili is in firm Redzone now, Nol is in Orange/Red zone."

 

Why vote Nol when Sili was a stronger scum read? I know you'd prefer to lynch me but my train wasn't taking off, but why not then go for your next strong scum read?

Thank you. Even if you think I'm scum because of AJ you have to admit the way formed her list just doesn't make sense.

[Tommyrod]

Nolder you have been lynched. Stop posting

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

I've gone back to Nolder's mq.

 

 

 

 

verbal - You don't like his no vote, but leelou said it wasn't unusual

Yeah, she did. I also noted that it's possible they're mafia together and thus statements like that are to be taken with a grain of salt at the very least.

Not in your list, you don't.  And they probably aren't w/w together too, that sounds like paranoia.

 

 

Sili - you don't like halliash, but never bother to explain what you mean.

there's not much else to say, so i guess I like Hallia's content. I think it's because her reads feel very 'halliaish'.

 

Is it a soul read? I dunno. I just a good initial vibe and there's nothing else to say.

Don't remember this? Aren't you paying attention?

Unless I should take nonsense and empty air as sufficient explication, you hadn't explained it until just recently.

 

you don't comment on my recent progression,

What does that even mean?

Day 2 material. What was the point of all that if not to understand each other better.

 

 

i don't even know why you think no-voting is odd when it meant nothing to you last night. That adjustment is way too convenient; like, it looks like you're latching on to a little controversy and parroting it without critical thought. News flash: Dice was at L-1. There was no way I was voting him unless there was a competing wagon to trump.

 

You don't seem to comprehend what you're saying. Do you even believe it?

This was something I had a nice long response to that got lost.

Let's start with the quote though.

 

I was thinking about waiting for D2 but something's been bugging me since yesterday and I wanna get it off my chest both before I forget and in case I die.

 

I don't like that Sili said he'd vote for Dice but never actually did. It's like he's accepting responsibility now thinking that it looks and hoping we'll forget later when we examine lynch trains. Maybe that's way off you know. He might even be scum but not doing that intentionally. It's just a thought I had and I wanted to get it out.

 

So, yeah.

 

What's everyone doing this weekend?

Meant nothing to me? That's why I posted about it right?

Parroting? Who am I parroting? Who said that before me?

 

Now this is the part that pisses me off that I lost the most but I'll try to hit the important points again.

 

This is what I'm talking about when I say you're making strong statements without really knowing people.

Do I even believe it? Maybe if you'd actually played more than a couple games with me you'd know what I believe instead of just spouting bullshit about what you think you know about me.

If I knew you better, maybe I wouldn't be giving it as much weight, but as you say... I don't.

 

If you'd played with me enough you'd know that I don't abide people voting without a reason and not voting someone while continually casting suspicion on them. I hound those people and vote them until they give a reason or they vote the people they supposedly think are suspicious. Why? Because it nails them down. When someone votes someone else and gives no reason and later it comes up they can give any reason they want that's convenient at the time. But if you force them to give the reason they have no wiggle room. Why do you think they record everything you say in court? Why do you think they take peoples depositions? Because it nails their asses down to a set of statements and once you have them nailed down you can go over what they've said they believe and look for inconsistencies and contradictions.

 

That's why when I see you choosing not to vote Dice it sets off alarm bells. It's possible you're just thinking to yourself "the deadline is soon and we have a majority anyway so my vote doesn't matter". Maybe. Maybe. It's possible. It's also possible that you were hoping you could take responsibility for Dice's lynch in the short term but by not being on the train people would forget you had anything to do with it as the game went on. That's possible too.

You understand I comment to the effect I don't want to lynch Dice before eod? That's my reason down on paper like you seem to want.

 

So you're going to sit over there and say things like "this is Nolder's town game" and "this is Nolder's scum game" when you don't even really know me. Do I believe it? How the hell would you know either way? You really don't and that's what I've been getting at all game about you. You don't know but you make these strong statements about people anyway. It's either scummy or...looking for the right word here. Maybe arrogant? You think you know everything about people so quick and when you show your ignorance it REALLY shows. I never say this is your town game - honestly don't think I know it well enough to even say that. What I do say is this reminds me of your last scum game, specifically, in certain ways. That could mean you're town and there's a bit of overlap, or it could mean you're mafia. All I'm pointing out is that you're capable of bad reads as scum.

 

Thane - Have him as scum, but don't show a reason.

Actually I said leaning scum. And my reasoning is the same as before because like I said I don't recall him posting yet since Nyn's death so my read on him hasn't changed.

 

You simply state he hasn't posted much like he did last game.

I never said anything about "last game". You made that up.

Not taken as intended. I am pointing out you seem to think Thane is scum, and the only reason you give is sporadic activity, which is pretty much how he came across last game. My gut says there are some differences to be sure, but I don't see anything compelling in your case that would lead someone to a scum lean.

 

Hallia - Hallia said your meta is wrong of her, and that you should know as much.

Ok? So because she said I'm wrong I guess that must be true.

 

Sarcasm aside I believe Leelou also backed this meta read of her scum game.

 

Leelou said it wasn't indicative either way, which is to say she didn't agree with your read.

And I don't believe villager you forgets this/doesn't mention it in a reads list of this volume.

There you go making statements about me again.

How many games have we played together? This is the third I think right? One of our games together was very brief and I was scum. You really think you know what "villager me" does or doesn't do? I don't know. I have thoughts though. And maybe I'm projecting a little since I would have if I wanted to be thorough.

 

Anyway I don't see why I would mention it. Hallia disagrees with me. Cool. Whatever. It's still my read and I'm still going to post my read when I post my list of reads.

 

And as I have pointed out, Hallia's post quality is in line with what I've seen from her other town games.

That's your opinion.

Cool.

 

I thought this was supposed to be some sort of take down about how my reads are lacking or incomplete, not how you disagree with everything I say? Those two aren't the same thing you know.

 

Tina - Re.

"Tina - Quiet but that's not unusual for her. Would like to see some more posts since I think she's the lowest poster besides Hallia. Null."

This is almost a blasphemous reduction of her content. I would vote you on this statement alone and not look back.

Explain how please.

Just ISO her. She has few posts but she says a lot in them. I'm sure you can come up with better than 'null' when no one besides you has her as null.

 

The Crusher - You put him down as null, but intone he could be lurking the thread.

Not how I put it but sure. What about it?  Looks like a soft nudge, fishing for a wagon. Phrased awkwardly enough that it tilts me, etc.

 

You offer no hard opinion of your own.

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. . .

 

I JUST GAVE my opinion. And your opinion is soft and fence-sitting.

 

Also, how does Verbal noting someone's meta without drawing any conclusions from it a sign that he's town?

It doesn't necessarily.

They could easily be teammates.

But it would mean that Verbal is playing for the long game and in either case it makes me feel more confident in my town read. Calling out people for scum behavior is generally town behavior. Scum don't usually distance so early.

But... why doesn't scum expound a town's meta when asked? It's not as if they can't or won't if they want to be 'useful'. Because what's in it for Verbal to ignore my request for information? Probably a lot of hassle because I don't like it when someone actively ignores me.

 

Leelou - Pretty sure Leelou is at the bottom of the poe for a reason.

That reason being? Her response to verbal. Her fence-sitting, which she really shouldn't be doing as much as she has in my opinion (could be wrong here and would need to reeducate myself before I say more), and her missing 15 hours or so. I've noted that her excuse she's busy seems more shallow than usual. She brings it up when not asked at night, and I think that was completely unnecessary unless she'st trying to push an agenda.

 

You reading her as town so easily despite all the talk about her is a big red flag.

Ok.

 

I still don't see how this is some take down and not just you disagreeing with everything I say. Basically it shows you haven't been paying attention.

 

Kaylee - Why don't you like her vote on dice?

It wasn't exactly her vote on Dice so much as it was the reasoning. I recall several people using the same reasoning which makes me worried she's just sheeping. I already noted that this isn't necessarily and indication of her being scum (which is why I list her as null).  Then why bring it up as much as you did if it's in the end null?

 

Everyone voted dice.

No they didn't. Don't be like that. Everyone around wanted/had no problem with voting dice.

 

Dice was rand to be scum at that point in the thread for a plethora of reasons.

I don't know what that means. My fault. I mean Dice had a lot of scum equity.

 

 

Also, this is another instance of you, Nolder, not knowing anything about the subject of an easy read.

I admitted in Kaylee's case I don't remember much of what she's said. I talked about what seemed relevant to me and the game which was her vote. Which ended up being null.

 

Aj - While I agree Aj is hard to read, I also recognize Aj has been pretty reasonable and on the ball, and is actually kind of clean as we approach eod2. So a 'completely' null read on him doesn't cut it at this point. You needed to put your foot down and take a stance, and you don't.

I don't have a read on him yet and I'm not going to force one just because that bothers you.

If you don't like it vote me. Oh right, you did. So...what are we doing here again? Just going over how you disagree with everything I say right? I'm going over how lacking your list is. It really is kind of hollow and devoid of compelling logic, and I'm having trouble seeing how it isn't a wolf's list. I shouldn't be able to disagree with it to this extent.

 

Red - wut. you haven't talked about red in so long, i'd forgotten (?) you'd had a scum lean on her.

Oh, aren't you paying attention?

 

And actually she went from town read to scum read. I don't have a perfect memory... and you were changing your stance on her after all? You don't give anything specific in your strongest scum read in this list, and prior to it you don't even have this person as scum. What is Red supposed to be replying to??

 

Now she's your strongest suspect?

Yep. I said my D1 list was subject to change.

 

I'm counting 2 town leans, 5 scum leans, and 3 null. The amount of scum and null at this point is bad when you consider you spend more time arguing with me and socializing with the thread than hunting scum.

Maybe I'd have more time to scumhunt if I wasn't busy dealing with the dumb shit you keep coming up with. That was unfortunately you, lol. You were the one who misrepresented me, and I was the one who took you to task over it. And it was YOUR fault for being such an airhead that the conversation went on so long.

You know, like I was doing when I first signed on today before you side tracked me? Yeah. That's not how it works.

 

And before you go "oh well I didn't MAKE you do anything" don't even try because you were clearly bitching at me to post more content as I was even typing it and sniping at each thing as it came. You keep talking about engaging me and now you're going to complain that I spend too much time arguing with you? GFY I didn't say you should offer me a list. I tell you once that I'm expecting more from you, after 40 or so minutes of radio silence.

 

 

 

Not much else to say, except I felt a response was necessary to show I do care. And to be perfectly honest Nolder has good tone and I can't get over that. I feel like he would be more obvious if he was scum based on what he told me about his scum game.

 

So tl;dr I'm not sure where I stand. Read is currently in flux after going back and forth on him twice.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if scum was exactly Red leelou and thane. And I'm bashing my head in to find out who fits better in my game solve: Hallia or Nolder.

 

Thane is curiously absent today. I kind of figured he would be in here making reads.

 

jfc you're not even from this site and you do the typing inside peoples quotes thing.

 

You don't know this because it's never come up between us but I normally don't read or respond to stuff in quotes. I don't like it because in the past it's gotten way out of hand and given me some bad headaches. I'll read and respond to what you wrote here in a moment but in the future just know that if you want me to read and respond to something don't type inside quotes. Thanks.

 

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what?

 

I don't know how I can be clearer...

 

I don't read posts that are nested inside other peoples quotes. It gives me headaches. You didn't know this so I'll do it for you just please don't do it in the future if you want me to read your posts that's all.

 

Okay...

 

w/e. /shrug

[Kaylee]

Fair enough. Esp since you voted before the reveal.