[Basic] Lolcats: zOMGby Apocalypse - Game Over - Town Win

[Kaylee]

Dice's case feels genuine to me.

[Kaylee]

General thoughts:

 

- Sili is trying to start the game already on N0. He is very vocal and tries to figure out stuff right away. This is townSili as I have seen him before. I generally try not to clear people too early in the game and use poe but I´ll make an exception for Sili.

- I get why Lily is confused by all the non-DM words. Personally I think the world tinfoil is over used.

 

- Kaylee is pointing out facts in a calm and neutral way. I get a townie vibe from her but I will far from clear her. I think she plays like this as mafia too. I haven´t played with her much lately.

 

- Thane has a lot of posts but with no game content. I understand the need to work and lack of sleep but there have been enough things to warrant at least one comment.

 

 

I´ll post some quotes in the next post.

Getting a town vibe from Tina. She's giving reads and explaining them. She is also commenting on things as they happen. (Just reached this post in my catch up).

[Nynaeve]

What I don't get is why Nol would follow Sili when he made no mention of Lee to this point. Then he follows Sili's reasons for jumping off. OK, maybe legit there, maybe. Then he quotes and says he was also online refreshing. Just seems opportunistic to me. (Like a scum jumping onto a possible easy lynch).

 

I don't really get what you don't understand. Sili was trying to gauge Lee's reaction by telling her that he got a guilty on her. Nolder got the gist of it and followed up by confirming that Sili indeed visited Lee, thereby putting her on the spot and leaving little to no wiggle room. That's the feel I get from the entire thing. 

 

If Nolder is scum jumping onto a possible easy lynch, as you claim, then why wouldn't he just vote her? He didn't need to apply more pressure by fake claiming too. Not to mention that the fact that there are no NAs on N0 is mod confirmed... so this push wouldn't have made it far even if it was scum motivated. To me it seems like an obvious reaction test.

[Kaylee]

 

 

And, why would be that?

This was Pral´s only comment and then he didn´t come back to it. Rl reasons perhaps? But it´s a strange questions since Sili said that he had gotten results or something like that. It was clear that he was having/faking a na result. It´s only one post so I can´t judge Pral on it but it´s in the maybe scum pile.

 

 

[v]leelou[/v]

 

Results are just in. Leelou is a wolf.

Your results or wrong or you are a liar. Not sure which yet.

 

[v]Sili[/v] Until I can determine what you are playing at.

Also a little strange since Leelou should know that there are no N0 actions. But a normal post if she thought there was. Not sure about Leelou.

I tracked Sili during N0 and saw him visit Leelou.

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

Nolder gets townie points for this post. Not enough to clear him but enough to make my townie list.

 

I tracked Sili during N0 and saw him visit Leelou.

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

Interesting. I just copied this from the rules:

 

8. There will be a Night 0, lasting about 72 hours (maybe sooner depending on the tone). this is for the normal check in spam stuff (though game play is encouraged).

9. Night Actions should be submitted in your Role PM, and at night (excluding N0).

Pointing this out is either a townie move (lean that way) or a way to save Leelou.

 

 

The reveal is a little premature. We could have gotten a lot of good information with little cost.

Or it could have resulted in a mislynch. Two votes with only 10 players can add to a lynch quickly, especially with fake claims that people tend to just jump on.

I was here constantly refreshing. So something like that would have only happened if all three wolves piled on.

All three wolves??? This is the only scummy thing you have said so far. I assume that there are only two in a game this small.

Vote Sili

 

theres all that "no GF" crud at the beginning, then the thing with leelou, then theres no thread recollection as to why he had scum vibes from people. He in fact says that then goes "but N0 is a wash" If N0 is a wash why are you following scum vibes that you cant remember from a night thats a wash?

 

 

 

 

Tina is second on my list atm

Haven´t you played with Sili before? I don´t like this post. It looks like an "easy" vote.

I'm here atm. I get what you're saying. However, I'm not quick to clear people as that's come to bite me in past games.

Agree.

Leaning town on Sili for trying to scum hunt.

Me too. I think Kaylee is making good points so far.

I don't see it that way at all. He doesn't seem to be assuming there is a gf. I'm leaning more towards his theory that you are scum trying to get town cred.

Or maybe it´s that simple that he is trying to start/solve the game?

I called them incompetent after repeat demonstrations of their lack of respect for me.

 

*shrug*

 

do you understand why lily thinks I'm scum tina?

Yes, it´s clear in her posts. She thinks you are just doing the fake claim/result to look townie. I don´t agree but that is her reason.

 

 

 

As you see, I base a lot of my thinking on Sili being town, so I really hope I´m not mistaken.

 

Suspects so far: Dice, Pral, Thane.

 

Lily is just agreeing with Dice and I´m not sure if it´s scummy or not. She hasn´t played with Sili before so I think I lean more town than mafia even though she is using the same arguments as Dice. I wonder if that is wise of me?

 

Townies: Sili, Nolder, Kaylee. Only sure of Sili.

 

The rest is in the middle. That should be Leelou, Verb/Nyn and Lily.

 

 

[v] Dice [/v]

Didn't Sili say he thinks Pral's is town? If so they doesn't make sense with what Tina points out above.

[Kaylee]

 

 

What I don't get is why Nol would follow Sili when he made no mention of Lee to this point. Then he follows Sili's reasons for jumping off. OK, maybe legit there, maybe. Then he quotes and says he was also online refreshing. Just seems opportunistic to me. (Like a scum jumping onto a possible easy lynch).

I don't really get what you don't understand. Sili was trying to gauge Lee's reaction by telling her that he got a guilty on her. Nolder got the gist of it and followed up by confirming that Sili indeed visited Lee, thereby putting her on the spot and leaving little to no wiggle room. That's the feel I get from the entire thing.

 

If Nolder is scum jumping onto a possible easy lynch, as you claim, then why wouldn't he just vote her? He didn't need to apply more pressure by fake claiming too. Not to mention that the fact that there are no NAs on N0 is mod confirmed... so this push wouldn't have made it far even if it was scum motivated. To me it seems like an obvious reaction test.

You're probably right about that. It just felt opportunistic to me. He could've been waiting to see if others joined in. I do tend to get paranoid about Nol though.

[Kaylee]

Ok looks like Sili said Pral is maybe town. Why not maybe scum? Not a lot to go off of from him.

[Nolder]

Alright time to get this done or I'm actually going to fall behind.

 

Swarm incoming.

[Nolder]

[Nolder]

2-3 wolves, 1 seer.

 

No godfather, I repeat no godfather.

 

 

Please don't tinfoil on this.

Bait or WIFOM, you decide.

[Nolder]

Are we doing seer cover this game?

This is something DM needs to learn. Would really change the dynamic of the game here.

[Nolder]

Where does it say no godfather? 

Took the bait.

[Kaylee]

 

 

Thane says you are mafia sili.

 

 

nods

heres a warning shot from me to sili that i think hes mafia

 

I know this, but I still can't make good reads without content.

 

I'm anxious to get started.

even he says he's anxxious. this post cemented my feel that he is desperate for cred.

 

Villagery posts by verb. Its a good sign when someone is helpful like that with that last line: to hunt scum. It shows the right frame of reference.

hmm 1 page earlier he's saying he cant get any good reads.

[v]leelou[/v]

 

Results are just in. Leelou is a wolf.

fake result as mentioned earlier

 

 

The reveal is a little premature. We could have gotten a lot of good information with little cost.

Or it could have resulted in a mislynch. Two votes with only 10 players can add to a lynch quickly, especially with fake claims that people tend to just jump on.

I was here constantly refreshing. So something like that would have only happened if all three wolves piled on.

more anxiousness

This part from Dice feels different to me. Not sure if he's tunneling or stretching.

 

Where he quotes Sili and says he's anxious and that "cemented my feel that he is desperate for cred". To me sounds like Sili is excited to be playing the game.

 

Also his comment on Sili's read on Verb. With the quote Dice used above Sili says why he gets a town vibe from Verb.

[Nolder]

It's a low population basic game, so I assume there's no godfather.

 

If there is, it should be listed as a possibility in the set up since the existence of one drastically effects how the game will run.

 

And based on what I know, a Godfather would be imbalanced. The point of a seer is to clear villagers and you can't clear villagers when half the wolves will come up as town.

Ok maybe it wasn't bait. Sili you're too used to playing on POG. DM does closed setups and a GF is still a possibility.

[Nolder]

 

It's a low population basic game, so I assume there's no godfather.

 

If there is, it should be listed as a possibility in the set up since the existence of one drastically effects how the game will run.

 

And based on what I know, a Godfather would be imbalanced. The point of a seer is to clear villagers and you can't clear villagers when half the wolves will come up as town.

 

I'm sorry, but half the fun of these games is trying to figure out a setup. It's a basic game, so godfather falls in the realm of possibilities. 

 

For some.

I personally love open setups with multiple possibilities.

You get that same puzzle feel but you don't get blindsided by roles that are weird or rarely used.

[Kaylee]

My thoughts on pral are mostly conjecture. It's not a town read, but I still don't want to lynch him today.

Just saw this. Guess it answers my question.

[Nolder]

[v]leelou[/v]

 

Results are just in. Leelou is a wolf.

This was a good attempt at really jumpstarting the game. He also breadcrumbed it earlier.

I'm really curious as to whether Leelou would have fell for it, especially since I went in with the assist.

But the party was crashed. 

 

Anyway this gives me a mostly good feeling about Sili at this time.

[Nolder]

 

[v]leelou[/v]

 

Results are just in. Leelou is a wolf.

 

Your results or wrong or you are a liar. Not sure which yet. 

 

[v]Sili[/v] Until I can determine what you are playing at. 

 

Scratch that! I forgot she did actually fall for it but I wanted more.

I don't think this is enough to really determine anything about Leelou.

It's kind of interesting that she crossed Sili right away though.

Something to keep in mind for later maybe.

[Nolder]

I love your scenes, Red!

 

 

I will not vote Sili this game. Not ever. 

That's interesting. I find Sili's move villagery but never is a strong statement to make so early.

Do you want to expand on that Tina?

[Nolder]

 

Villagery posts by verb. Its a good sign when someone is helpful like that with that last line: to hunt scum. It shows the right frame of reference.

 

 

My take-away is I have 5-6 villagers including myself, so I think today's lynch should be between Verb, Lily, Thane, and Dice.

 

To recap, Tina was pure in her opening posts. Having been w/w with her I know she should be too self-conscious to make that content.

 

That said, I don't really know Pral's allignment, because I think his comment too easily comes from a wolf to discount the possibility.

 

In order of preference I have

 

Thane

Lily

Verb

Dice

 

As our lynches.

 

There should be at least 1 wolf in there.

 

I'm curious as to what happened for you in 2 hours without me being online to post.

 

This is a good catch. Did Sili ever answer this?

[Nolder]

Vote Sili

 

theres all that "no GF" crud at the beginning, then the thing with leelou, then theres no thread recollection as to why he had scum vibes from people. He in fact says that then goes "but N0 is a wash"  If N0 is a wash why are you following scum vibes that you cant remember from a night thats a wash?

 

 

 

 

Tina is second on my list atm

Don't like this. Seems like he's going for the only person who's talked at all and just spinning it into negatives.

 

Also why Tina?

[Nolder]

i have more faith in my solve.

 

If you think I believe you would claim cop D1 first thing you are nuts. Simply makes me think you are scum trying to get credit and hoping to draw the real cop out.

 

A night is either a wash or it isnt. you either get info (which would make itr NOT a wash) or you dont (a wash)  you were straddling a fence saying mostly. Leaves you a way out.

 

Sili Quirrels, on 03 Feb 2015 - 06:29 AM, said:

2-3 wolves, 1 seer.

 

No godfather, I repeat no godfather.

 

 

Please don't tinfoil on this.

 

 

you say there is NO godfather. like you know it for a fact. that means either you ARE the godfather and want people thinking you dont exist, are scum and over stretched trying to get town credit or you are an oracle. Thats not possible because this is basic AND an oracle wouldnt get the response til morning.

 

 

And I caught all that implying i will peek leelou and i have peeked leelou stuff. Want a hint? If you wanna fake claim take a lesson in subtlety. Its more believeable. that just comes across as fake.

 

Most of your posts this game strike me as fake actually. Im not likeing the tone of them at all

 

 

My vote stays where it is

Dear god Dice you've completely missed the point.

It wasn't meant to be subtle it was meant to communicate exactly what he was doing so when the gag was over he wouldn't get lynched over it.

Only someone not paying close attention would fall for it which I guess Leelou wasn't. I saw and went in with an assist. Kaylee saw and decided to call it out. It wasn't hard to see because it wasn't really meant to be.

[Nolder]

Dice's theory makes sense to me and your behavior does not. If that's the best you got...

 

[v]Sili[/v]

If you're going to go down that route do you at least have anything to add on top of what Dice said?

[Nolder]

 

Dice's theory makes sense to me and your behavior does not. If that's the best you got...

 

[v]Sili[/v]

So you're not going to argue the counter-points, but instead presume my behavior is 'too villagery' to be a villager because I'm playing the game instead of spewing aids.

 

That's not a spin by the way, that's basically what your argument boils down to. Despite making good points, sound logic, and substantive reads, I'm too on point to be a villager. Like I'm obviously trying to find scum and villagers and narrow down the poe so we find a successful lynch. But my op says there's no godfather and I don't want people to tinfoil too hard this game, and the only feesible conclusion drawn is i) there is a godfather and ii) i felt it might be useful to shut down the tinfoil when there are still 10 players left. And this instead of the obvious! What if I just don't want people to tinfoil too hard because when you tinfoil too hard you loose the game! - and I have said this btw, implied, intoned, and outright argued this several times this thread.

 

And I get it you know? I get what your argument could be, but you haven't proven motive. Sometimes scum overcompensate, that's true, but you nor dice have argued that (nor could you succesfully), or even tried anyway. All you say is I could be scum because I'm playing the game in a +ev way. That isn't compelling; that's like saying a villager is scummy because he's too much of a villager!

 

(different story if you could prove my tone was off/logic was bad - but dice let that counterpoint go and decided to comment on my read of him, and you didnt' pick it up again)

 

Basically this feels like a lazy counter-push made by scum because I put you two at the bottom of my poe.

 

You talk too much. When people use Too Townie I just link the article and drop the discussion.

 

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Too_Townie

[Nolder]

I´m sure Sili is town. I have played with him a few times but unless he has changed his play style in the last weeks this is townSili. 

 

That doesn´t mean that I will just follow him. Often when Sili is town he posts a lot and a lot of it doesn´t make sense to me. I don´t think it´s because of the language but because Sili seems to think in a totally different way from me. I just can´t follow. I think others feels the same way, which I think leads to Sili getting frustrated. That is how I see it, might not be true.

 

Sili, I know Red allows way more than me (all mods do :D) but I don´t think you will make any friends by calling them incompetent. Things like that upsets many here and irritated townies don´t play better. It´s something that gets in the way between them and the game. Again, just the way I see it but I think it´s a good advice. 

 

Now I will go back and read stuff and see what I actually think of this so far. My initial thought was that Nolder got townie points as well as Kaylee. I´ll see if it looks the same when I re-read.

It's POG-talk. I think most of what they say doesn't make sense but it doesn't matter there.

For them being hyper active and having constant on thread presence is what makes one townie.

It doesn't matter as much what you're saying just so long as you're there to be saying it.

 

I don't like it but just saying that's the kind of background he's coming from.

[Nolder]

 

Thane says you are mafia sili.

 

 

nods

 

heres a warning shot from me to sili that i think hes mafia

Here's a question for you Dice.

Do you think it's scummy that you involved someone else in your "warning shot"?