Theory on Rand's Hand

[ono-neko]

personaly i that rand should just use balefare to get his arm back i mean cmon its his freaking arm ofcource he'd want it back and he has the means to do it.

 

If I am not mistaken, the bigger/stronger the balefire, the further back it will undo the action of whoever/whatever had done. Sp, if I am right, the longer Rand (or all of them) wait to balefire Semi, the smaller the chance to get Rand's hand back. And I am pretty sure they all would want to "question" Semi with tons of questions, which probably will take a very long time, before, if they decide to do so, everyone wants to kill Semi

[SinisterDeath]

Theres that, and the fact that she's a woman.

[Blademaster]

here's a thought: if Rand can materialize a sword of fire that he can hold with his hands, can he also materialize a hand when he needs to? I don't see how a fake hand is any more far-fetched than a fake sword.

 

and about killing Semi, I don't think Rand will get the chance. I don't see her being a prisoner for long. Oh I'm sure she'll die one day, just not at Rand's... single hand, or as his prisoner.

[dega]

In KoD Rand's eye's were injured as well. With that in mind it is not the same with star wars.

[eldar89]

since Rand's hand getting cut off was not simultaneously followed by a long fall, nor was it cut off by a sword/lightsaber in a battle vs. some nobleman or whatever a count would be in Randland, I think it's safe to say that this loss of hand is not copied from Star Wars. Besides, you didn't hear Rand yelling NOOOOOO!!! at the top of his lungs at the realization that Semirhage is his real father, did you? exactly.

[Laurenna]

Didn't Moridin use the power to crush a piece of stone, making a chrushing motion with his hand but it was really the power crushing the stone? Could Rand possibly do the same, use the power for a "hand"?

[Kepen heal]

Or he could make himself a hand. Like form up a rock to be his hand and attach it. He would just have to tie off the weave.

 

So ya true he could use the power as a hand!!!!!!

[Luckers]

Manipulating flows of air to mimic the actions of a hand would be incredibly difficult... creating a fake hand even more so. Tying in the flow between the nerves in the arm and actions of the fake hand would be essentially impossible for someone with his limited medical knowledge--even without.

 

I rather doubt he'll even think of attempting it in any case.

[Kepen heal]

Well im not saying attaching it. Just like he would have to actually think to get the hand to move. Not tying it to his nerves or anything.

 

Creating a fake hand wouldnt be that hard. Just make it out of somthing, like rocks or fire or somthing.

 

Also another way out of there thought but he could become a kind of pirate. Ataching somthing like a hook, or dagger, or somthin.

 

Maybe he could get one of his schools for invetors or what ever they are called to create somthing that would work as a fake hand?????? :?

[Luckers]

You mean like the sword? the sword was an innanimate object that he moved and manipulated with his hands. Creating a hand would be infinitely more complex--unless you mean one that doesn't move? Why not just get a smith to make one. It was done fairly freuqently in such times... i still don't see him bothering though. If its just going to be aesthetic he could create an illusion of the hand.

[Llewin]

I just thought that Jordan' date=' since writing these books about 15 years later and already reading so many fanstasy series with Star Wars plot themes, would have chosen some other way to injure Rand. I know that having a leg severed or something would be kind of extreme, but I don't know.

 

And I know that the situations were different. Its just the same end result.[/quote']

 

I'm sorry but the very idea that 'so many fantasy series' have stolen plot themes from a story as flat and 'done' as Star Wars...is abhorent! If anything Star Wars borrowed numerous themes from the same source most of those fantasy novels borrowed them from... The collective conciousness/mythology of the world!

[Luckers]

I agree.. star wars is nice and shiny, but hardly spectacular. Nor is the loss of a hand a star wars thing. Finally, the hand is the most losable appendage for a hero who still has to be active... its simply logical.

[loki redfern]

i'm pretty sure he meant to do it from the start any way i'm sure but not completely certain one of the visons mins sees around rand, in tEotW, is a bloody hand and as has been said before rand is based of tyr who loses a hand to one of loki's offspring ( :twisted: )

why has no one who wants rand to have his hand back considered that they have just captured the greatest healer of the AOL

 

nemene damendar (semirhage) was known for her ability to heal any injury...

BWB (or the orbit paperback equivalent anyway)

 

if she refuses theres always compulsion if he wants it that bad, even so i dont think he will take this option as he was meant to lose and a hand and thats how it is and it's do, dusted, and forgotten.[/b]

[Luckers]

Even she isn't that strong, i dont think.

[loki redfern]

in healing strength comes from the one being healed but if you mean talented i think she could do it or sugest a very good prostheic, accidents would have happend in the AOl and they must have devoloped somethings perhaps a ter'angreal prostetic hand but she wouldn't be able to make one of those hmm sorrry bit woffley mad there , well flat land r...s the b.... c....

[loki redfern]

just thought of something else. its not exactly the ame but there is one point where she mentions either to her self or to sammael that she could remove his scar at any time, but he kept it ,ect ect.

[Luckers]

Graendal thinks it to herself that Semirhage is the only one that could remove it now, but Sammael still refused out of pride.

 

Still, there is a lot of difference between healing scar tissue and reconstructing a hand. Besides, i dont see her suggesting it, or him asking it.

[loki redfern]

yeah i dont think that they will ask/suggest that either it's gone and there's nothing that anyone is going to do about it. that he is handeling it like he has is one of the reasons that cadsuane needs to make him laugh and cry again, he needs to be able to care

[Luckers]

Yeah i agree.

[joeybsmash]

i think this is a bigger question. i think that i read somewhere that they have to see the weaves to weave them. so if rand can't see then he can't use the power. with one hand he can't fight. with bad eyes he can't use the power. i think that his only hope is to use the library that avienda found. but he has to talk to her first. as any married man knows you dread the moment you see your wife for the first time after several months away with your other wife and have serious life threatening injuries that you never told her about.

[joeybsmash]

maybe the finns will supply rand with his sight and a new hand, but what will the 3rd request be.

the finns always save the day

just ask the USSR.

[Nightshade]

I wanted to comment on this topic because Rand's increasing struggles weilding the power despite the cleansing and the internal conflict with LTT has had me on edge for the last several books and the run in with Semihrage was quite brutal. So I've been thinking about it.

 

I think one of the most important or convincing points in this thread is that they indeed have captured one of the greatest healers of the age of legends. So even if she can't fix Rand's hand she will know what the most advanced ways of dealing with such things was in the AOL. I quite like the idea of him weilding a sword of the power in the burned off hand and his herron marked blade in his good hand but thats just me.

 

Most of all I hope the capture of Semihrage will help with his mental state and his troubles with the power. I don't agree with the poster who asserted that Semi would not be a prisoner long... there's not really any convincing reason to think that. The greatest relief associated with this was that one of the first things Semi did was to reveal to everyone what's going on with Rand. He has INFURIATED me since the Eye of the World with his secrecy about his health and his thoughts! Doesn't it just drive you mad!?!¿ Imagine how many mistakes and pitfalls could have been averted if it weren't for all the secrecy, mistrust and power plays. Not that they aren't fun... but Rand's secrecy was irrational. I am glad its out in the open. He can be such a moody baby. No wonder Cadsuane sees work to be done.

 

WoT has so many story lines to tie together, including the Tinkers and Aiel and the tree of life and the song, which obviously is to do with their joint work with the Ogier. Perhaps some combination of the power and song can regrow Rand a hand. LOL

 

P.S. Been lurking for years... finally decided to say something.

[MetalMonkeyMood]

What I'm really looking forward to is the look on Semi's face when she finds out that there are some people living in Rand's age who can heal stilling. She is gonna have a fit, best healer ever and she's been bested by people she dismisses. :D :D :D :D

[Aemon raHal]

Sorry, didn't have time to read all the posts, so not sure if anyone mentioned it yet...

 

In some of the earlier books Min has a viewing of Rand - a severed hand and a hot iron.

 

She has the same viewing around Elayne.

 

She can't exactly channel very well at the moment - but maybe she'll figure something out.