[Advanced] The Scouring of the Shire - Game Over

Nynaeve · January 14, 2015

gl town :)

The Crusher · January 14, 2015

Do you know you can go to Home Depot with any piece of food and they have a machine that will match the color exactly?
Yeah but then you have to put your steak, bacon, and/or cheesecake against that silly little piece of glass where some kid decided to match "booger" as his favorite color. And I really like steak, bacon, and cheesecake but I don't really like booger.

Plus, it only gets you "in the neighborhood" with preexisting Behr colors. AND 9 times out of 10 the ones at the stores by me are broken - I'm assuming - because they had hit their booger quotient.

Where the heck are my red reads? I'm probably voting Pral but Arsis is my second choice if he comes in with a decent/convincing post.

Good point. I eat keep room same color. Pral or Arsis are fine choices.

Red2111 · January 14, 2015

:( by nyn. we will avenge you!

[v]Arsis[/v] i can roll with Tina & Pral as well (Pral over Tina because of that defense of Sili tbh). i'd like multi-trains today people.

Yates & Arsis, ya'll have some reporting to do imo *points to D1 claims*

list (lockclear - lean town - null - lean scum - lockscum)

crushluv

womby

Yates

Alanna

Krak

Zashara

Tina

Pral

Arsis

(Yates has moved from my lockclear to town lean. Nyn flipping finder makes me question the claim and his motives, but this is still trumped by Arsis's CC on him and the fact that Yate's WIFOM came off feeling pro-town. had the WIFOM not come off that way, he'd be down with Zashara on my list)

ISO's + Thoughts for null & scum lean below

Krak - krak feels like krak tbh. he's on his meta, which means i wont be able to soul read him till later tbh. i'm good with pressure on him, but am keeping him in my null pile for now. i can see crushluvs points on the possible distancing ... but flip side is it was Sili doing most of it, rather than a mutual thing. so it coulda been Sili scum just reacting to pressure from krak's vote and the attention his reaction was garnering. its too WIFOM imo to do linkage given how one-sided the stuff was.

Lol jumping the gun a bit?
You tell me. Am I?

[v]Yates[/v]

i'd like this vote explained. he came off joking at Sili but this is a legit push.

Anyone think Grima has a survivor/alternate role possibility?

this is the first legit ping. mention of a 3rd party and an attempt to start discussion on it out of no where.

Scum lean on

Pral

Alanna

Yates

Null

Red

I'm going to assume 2/3 above are scum and everyone else I didn't mention are town.

i want an expansion on this list.

reasons why the people up there are in those spots and why you have all others as town

Alanna - is same as krak. to early to tell imo. gun to head, i'd put her leaning slightly town cause her posts come off as townie rather than instantiating scummy. more activity from her would be nice.

Pral - moved from Null to scumlean. i can roll with more pressure on him

1. defense of Sili

2. fence sitting on Tina vs Red (his contradictory stance as Nyn pointed out)

3. 180 on his stance of yates

Checking in. Yates sounds unnaturally like Yates. Let me guess - scum?

comes in directly swinging at Yates. WIFOM at best but worth noting for later analysis as the game progresses

Sili feels like town here. Plays a bit scummy and rash when he is town and that is somewhat what we see here.

Crusher's vote on Sili seems weird. i can totally understand if he has not played with Sili, but if he has and has seen Sili post before, then I think it is a bit opportunistic\\

Tina aggressive in the beginning looks good for her.

Not very sure why a couple of people are suspecting Red here. I don't see the "hedging" in his post.

Yates seemed to try too hard to play how he plays as town initially. His later posts are more free and natural.

That is what I have so far

(Good, slow game :))

the post originally only had 1 point of note, the contradictory remarks on Tina & Red.

on one hand he town reads Tina based on her being aggressive. but on the other he town reads the person she's being aggressive against. it gut pings as manipulative.

hind sight - this post pings for the ubber defense of Sili; which before Sili's flip came off less as defending and more as commentary. now his comments read as defending. he's defending Sili and against a Sili lynch while at the same time trying to cast doubt and turn the spot light on Sili's main voter.

compare this hind sight revelation with the remarks of "tina's agro feels town and i dont agree with the case on Red, Red feels town as well"

the difference of handling this, the difference of approach and tone towards the two events and knowing Sili was scum.

yeah this post alone warrents some mega pressure

[v]krak[/v]

His Yates vote is out of nowhere. Also, he has some weird posts asking sili, combat why they are "voicing on the thread". Looks kind of forced.

again he defends Sili, the underlined portion is confusing as hell to understand, i still can't understand what he was trying to say. and his flip on his stance of Yates

his first post he comes in claiming yates is scum and hiding behind his meta; now he defends yates by voting Krak (who also happens to be pushing on Sili)

Tina aggressive in the beginning looks good for her.

Not very sure why a couple of people are suspecting Red here. I don't see the "hedging" in his post.

Kinda contradictory here. On one hand you're giving Tina brownie points for being aggressive... but what she was aggressive about was Red, which you're saying you 'don't get' and disagree with people's suspicion of her.

Eh.

What? Talking about Tina's meta doesn't mean that i agree or disagree with her.

its the fact that you're reading us both town at the same time

Zashara - needs to post more for me to get a read off of. the only thing of note to say is that her posts come off as trying to blend in rather than actively scum hunt. worth watching and needs to be more active imo

Red2111 · January 14, 2015

that should be down with Tina and Pral on my list. Zashara was a tentative move to Null from Scum Lean.

my gut is pinging on her "attempt to blend in" and the post after Sili's reveal. but this is really all the game play we have to judge her on, and logically its not enough to move her from null yet.

so gut says scum lean while brain says needs more imput.

Krakalakachkn · January 14, 2015

Anyone think Grima has a survivor/alternate role possibility?

Odd day 1 question. Trying too hard in my humble yet stout opinion.

How is that "trying to hard?"

And why is it only an odd question on Day 1?

The Crusher · January 14, 2015

Anyone think Grima has a survivor/alternate role possibility?
Odd day 1 question. Trying too hard in my humble yet stout opinion.

How is that "trying to hard?"

And why is it only an odd question on Day 1?

I think on day 1 anybody has any possibility of being anything. To be that specific with that little interaction and game play seems a stretch. I find scum like to introduce stuff like that to confuse and seem like they are looking for non-townies. Hardest part of being scum is trying to act like you don;t know the answeres when you do. So talking about 3rd party about being non-town allows you to actually ask a question you truly do not know the answer of. Best type of deception has a vein of truth in it.

The Crusher · January 14, 2015

that should be down with Tina and Pral on my list. Zashara was a tentative move to Null from Scum Lean.

my gut is pinging on her "attempt to blend in" and the post after Sili's reveal. but this is really all the game play we have to judge her on, and logically its not enough to move her from null yet.

so gut says scum lean while brain says needs more imput.

My gut always says "feed me Crushlove, I'm your only real friend. "

Red2111 · January 14, 2015

Anyone think Grima has a survivor/alternate role possibility?
Odd day 1 question. Trying too hard in my humble yet stout opinion.

How is that "trying to hard?"

And why is it only an odd question on Day 1?

I think on day 1 anybody has any possibility of being anything. To be that specific with that little interaction and game play seems a stretch. I find scum like to introduce stuff like that to confuse and seem like they are looking for non-townies. Hardest part of being scum is trying to act like you don;t know the answeres when you do. So talking about 3rd party about being non-town allows you to actually ask a question you truly do not know the answer of. Best type of deception has a vein of truth in it.

^ ditto

Krakalakachkn · January 14, 2015

Anyone think Grima has a survivor/alternate role possibility?

Odd day 1 question. Trying too hard in my humble yet stout opinion.

How is that "trying to hard?"

And why is it only an odd question on Day 1?

I think on day 1 anybody has any possibility of being anything. To be that specific with that little interaction and game play seems a stretch. I find scum like to introduce stuff like that to confuse and seem like they are looking for non-townies. Hardest part of being scum is trying to act like you don;t know the answeres when you do. So talking about 3rd party about being non-town allows you to actually ask a question you truly do not know the answer of. Best type of deception has a vein of truth in it.

Ah, cool. I don't know what you meant, but you meant in scum trying to hard to look town. Gotcha.

I had a pretty good reason to ask that question imo, and nobody need answer it if they don't want to discuss mechanics. I'm fine leaving it here.

Happy with my town read on you atm.

Yates · January 14, 2015

Yates has moved from my lockclear to town lean. Nyn flipping finder makes me question the claim and his motives...

Really?? I think that was some pretty obvious seer cover. Not to mention the fact I was the counter wagon [gone RANDOM] on a scum lynch. I'm pretty much an innocent child at this point.

Yates · January 14, 2015

Anyone think Grima has a survivor/alternate role possibility?
Odd day 1 question. Trying too hard in my humble yet stout opinion.

How is that "trying to hard?"

And why is it only an odd question on Day 1?

Oh stop, you. These guys are skirting around the real issue and you know it. There's no reason for Town to just *assume* there's 3rd party in a game until, you know, there's a 2nd night kill and all that. Plus, how do you "3rd Party Hunt?" You don't, silly head.

Sliding you closer into Arsis/Pral land, bubba.

Yates · January 14, 2015

I'm pretty much an innocent child at this point.

Which reminds me; we need to take a closer look at the people that weren't around towards the "end" of day - particularly after Sili's claim. It should have been easy for scum to fabricate a reason to slip another vote on me or create an alternate wagon. Letting a scum buddy go to random.org in a hybrid hammer game with only 2 votes is crazy time.

Red2111 · January 14, 2015

Yates has moved from my lockclear to town lean. Nyn flipping finder makes me question the claim and his motives...
Really?? I think that was some pretty obvious seer cover. Not to mention the fact I was the counter wagon [gone RANDOM] on a scum lynch. I'm pretty much an innocent child at this point.

I'm pretty much an innocent child

*snorts*

Yates · January 14, 2015

I'm pretty much an innocent child

*snorts*

May be a *bit* of a stretch but pretty much IC. Look at it this way; I could have voted Krak, or Pral if I were Sili's scum buddy. Or if I wanted to bury my vote in an innocuous way, I could have simply voted no lynch without raising any eyebrows. That would have given Sili an excuse to vote there as well and saved his bacon.

What's equally interesting is that Sili didn't vote for ME to save his bacon. That tells me he knew you guys would be looking for scum on the Yates wagon after I flipped Town. Arsis and Krak were already voting Yates at the time. Has me thinking Sili didn't want the odds to go up to 2/3 or 3/3 if he voted for me [by rule of no clumping of scum votes].

So yeah. Ultimately the way day ended makes me Town and makes Arsis and Krak even stronger scum reads.

Phew. I need a beer after all that work.

Red2111 · January 14, 2015

and all of that Yates is WIFOM and reading into the actions of a confirmed scum.

i'd prefer to focus on people defending Sili today, those top people are the two wagons we have right now, and continue digesting everythign else in game, to include your own wagon and the post-Sili reveal game interaction.

another interaction that sticks out is this, and is part of a gut ping on Arsis

is anyone around?

i feel like i'm trying to be reasonable and hash things out but no one's doing due-dilligence. i gotta leave in an hour.

is anyone around?

Wassup?

Right then.

I'm town tracker. People should get their votes off me when they come back so that I can hopefully prove my allignment tomorrow (if i don't die).

for who to vote instead of me, i frankly have no idea. I've been too preoccupied.

Zashara · January 14, 2015

Yeah I haven't been as active as I've liked to be. A bit of that is being out of my comfort zone, but most of it is that I've been fighting a bought of depression these past 10 days or so. I do have some thoughts to post now, which I will do when I get home and on my computer.

Arsis · January 14, 2015

[v]pral[/v]

Red2111 · January 14, 2015

[v]pral[/v]

no words, no thoughts, no casing. just a SMA (save my ass) shameless wagon post on the only other wagon

i really like my vote where it is

Zashara · January 14, 2015

Here are Krak's post that make me suspicious of him. In fact, I'm more suspicious of him now than I was when I posted at the end of Day 1. His non-reaction to Sili saying that he was trying to bury his vote, despite it being the first vote for Sili pinged me. I'm really not sure what he meant there, and I'm not at all sure why it would be too soon to voice it aloud.

The vote for Yates without any reasoning to back it up was hella suspicious. Krak, why did you vote Yates? I'm not sure you've answered that question yet. Mentioning a third party role comes off as trying to divert the innocents attention. I mean sure it could be about game mechanics, but like someone said, there's no need to assume a third party role in the first phase. Plus, Sili's post about Krak targeting an innocuous player came off as a sideways defense to me (trying to make it look like they aren't aligned by posting suspicions). He's not my biggest suspicion atm, though, but I've got a scum lean on him.

no easy scum leans yet. kind of concerned krak voted me to bury his vote but i'll need more content

I like that you've got yourself a theory, but isn't it a little too soon to be voicing it aloud?

Lol jumping the gun a bit?
You tell me. Am I?

[v]Yates[/v]

Anyone think Grima has a survivor/alternate role possibility?

no easy scum leans yet. kind of concerned krak voted me to bury his vote but i'll need more content

Why would you? Kinda of early? No? Bury a vote on someone with no votes on them? Odd to say considering most peoples first votes on day 1 are typically made in jest or to stir the pot early.

unvote vote sili

I'm curious what you mean here in a 'how is this relevant' sort of way. Do you think his post was either of those things? If not, why mention it?

To me at least, it seems Krakus made a post to put his vote down on a mostly innocuous player, in a way that wasn't bent toward humor or jostling. So skepticism is warranted.

Anyone think Grima has a survivor/alternate role possibility?
Odd day 1 question. Trying too hard in my humble yet stout opinion.

How is that "trying to hard?"
And why is it only an odd question on Day 1?

I think on day 1 anybody has any possibility of being anything. To be that specific with that little interaction and game play seems a stretch. I find scum like to introduce stuff like that to confuse and seem like they are looking for non-townies. Hardest part of being scum is trying to act like you don;t know the answeres when you do. So talking about 3rd party about being non-town allows you to actually ask a question you truly do not know the answer of. Best type of deception has a vein of truth in it.

Ah, cool. I don't know what you meant, but you meant in scum trying to hard to look town. Gotcha.

I had a pretty good reason to ask that question imo, and nobody need answer it if they don't want to discuss mechanics. I'm fine leaving it here.

Happy with my town read on you atm.

[v]Arsis[/v]

He's the most suspicious to me right now. Starting that vote for Yates, plus having someone I already think is suspicious follow that vote. Then posting what was essentially a defense of Sili, but saying that he didn't believe the claim. To me, if you are going to post that you don't believe someone's claim then you should vote for them (if you think they're false claiming but still innocent then there's no reason to bring up that you think it's a false claim except for if you are scum, imo). The timing is important because we're very close to a lynch and losing a power role is something to avoid. I probably shouldn't have unvoted, but I chose to believe the claim for a bit. Then voting for Red, which was odd, given that she's giving off town vibes right and left, and the day phase was basically over. The vote didn't count to the final tally, but I don't understand fully why the vote was made. The reasons didn't make sense to me.

I'm got no read on Pral yet, but I don't think he's posted very much, so I'm not really inclined to vote for him. Crusher and Yates come off as town, and that's all I've got for now.

Zashara · January 14, 2015

RE: Pral, just went back and picked out some posts. The first one is what seems to be making everyone suspicious of him. I agree with his vote for Krak, which is partially why I've got no lean on him, plus someone who I'm highly suspicious of (Arsis) voting for him is ... interesting, to say the least. Also, I think it's a bit too obvious to kill the person who suspected you because it draws a hell of a lot of attention to you. Sure, there's WIFOM potential, and I've used this as a tactic before in mafia, so I can't discount it. It's also a good move to try and frame someone and get the attention away from you, which scum here may be doing.

Sili feels like town here. Plays a bit scummy and rash when he is town and that is somewhat what we see here.

Crusher's vote on Sili seems weird. i can totally understand if he has not played with Sili, but if he has and has seen Sili post before, then I think it is a bit opportunistic\\

Tina aggressive in the beginning looks good for her.

Not very sure why a couple of people are suspecting Red here. I don't see the "hedging" in his post.

Yates seemed to try too hard to play how he plays as town initially. His later posts are more free and natural.

That is what I have so far

(Good, slow game :))

[v]krak[/v]

His Yates vote is out of nowhere. Also, he has some weird posts asking sili, combat why they are "voicing on the thread". Looks kind of forced.

[v]pral[/v]

When you don't make sense it's usually a bad sign.

The Crusher · January 14, 2015

RE: Pral, just went back and picked out some posts. The first one is what seems to be making everyone suspicious of him. I agree with his vote for Krak, which is partially why I've got no lean on him, plus someone who I'm highly suspicious of (Arsis) voting for him is ... interesting, to say the least. Also, I think it's a bit too obvious to kill the person who suspected you because it draws a hell of a lot of attention to you. Sure, there's WIFOM potential, and I've used this as a tactic before in mafia, so I can't discount it. It's also a good move to try and frame someone and get the attention away from you, which scum here may be doing.

Sili feels like town here. Plays a bit scummy and rash when he is town and that is somewhat what we see here.

Crusher's vote on Sili seems weird. i can totally understand if he has not played with Sili, but if he has and has seen Sili post before, then I think it is a bit opportunistic\\

Tina aggressive in the beginning looks good for her.

Not very sure why a couple of people are suspecting Red here. I don't see the "hedging" in his post.

Yates seemed to try too hard to play how he plays as town initially. His later posts are more free and natural.

That is what I have so far

(Good, slow game :))

[v]krak[/v]

His Yates vote is out of nowhere. Also, he has some weird posts asking sili, combat why they are "voicing on the thread". Looks kind of forced.

[v]pral[/v]

When you don't make sense it's usually a bad sign.

How does who is voting for someone make a difference in how you are leaning on someone? Scum vote for townies, scum vote for scum. Only thing to gather from Arsis vote is it's probably for self preservation. Has no baring on Pral's aligment.

Nolder · January 14, 2015

Votecount

Pral - Krak, Crusher, Arsis (3)

Arsis - Red, Zashara (2)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: Saturday 12PM PST

Krakalakachkn · January 14, 2015

Yates is riding his fence.

I have my reason for mechanic speculation.

Arsis · January 14, 2015

Pral actually defended Sili. Not like me who said they didn't believe him but didn't want to vote him off day 1. He said he looked town. It was a safe time for him to come and cover for his scummate. I'll admit my participation level is subpar but I'm trying something new. I've gotten a lot of flack for posting too much and being too much of a troll so I'm trying to tone it down. So, I'm reading more and trying not to come off the wrong way.

Arsis · January 14, 2015

The two people who look worse off from sili and pral and Pral first and myself second. I know I'm town so it's Pral. I still don't like Yates or Red.

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