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@Cass: fair enough, get some sleep. And no need to over-apologize lol.

 

SERIOUSLY doubt DPR responds to me in a meaningful way however. Look at how he's responded to me all game

 

:dry:

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Also for the record, for those just thinking I'm stuck in a tunnel on DPR:

 

Last game I played with him he was scum and I was town and I helped "catch" him on Day Freaking One. That game doubles as prob the most frustrating mafia game of my entire mafia career.

Posted

Basically, people are encouraged to do townie stuff. Hence the lock clears and such.

 

Is this how you play? How do YOU catch scum.

 

I partially agree with you on D1 being for information but we do like to lynch scum too... And info lynch here is not smth i believe in too much. Gwt connection later.

 

D1 is a goldmine in the mide of D3 with some flips tho.

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  On 11/12/2014 at 5:41 PM, Despothera said:

@Cass: fair enough, get some sleep. And no need to over-apologize lol.

SERIOUSLY doubt DPR responds to me in a meaningful way however. Look at how he's responded to me all game

:dry:

That won't encourage him either.

 

DPR. Please help me out. How do you play? What do you look for, go for? Do you like making up cool slogans such as SupGate?

Posted
  On 11/12/2014 at 5:27 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

yeah, sometimes it DOES get busy at work... Des, you don't kill the thread, really. And Csarmi.. i miss lyrics... :sad:

 

back to work, bbl

They says they ignores my lyrics!

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  On 11/12/2014 at 5:41 PM, Despothera said:

@Cass: fair enough, get some sleep. And no need to over-apologize lol.

 

SERIOUSLY doubt DPR responds to me in a meaningful way however. Look at how he's responded to me all game

 

:dry:

 

Yes. That's part of why I'm waiting for him to answer. If he's Town, my questions and the reasoning I provided for why it's in his and Town's best interest for him to answer should have some weight. OMG BED. LOL.

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  On 11/12/2014 at 5:08 PM, Cass said:

I can't help it.

 

I have to post. It won't be all fancy and linky but hopefully it will do.

 

I'm up to Des' post #964.

 

 

 

I basically mind-melded with DPR through posts #924, 927, 933 and still on 939 - especially about the looking forward to seeing what happens.

 

 

ESPECIALLY looking forward to seeing who gets lynched… because, (shout out to Town) the way I see it, DPR and I probably have the same scum team in mind at this point and if either of us goes, you’ll know we had it right ;) If it goes the complete opposite way after this post, well, we were probably right there too. Assuming, you know, that we're actually right and that we actually have the same people in mind.

 

 

@ DES, thank you for lockclearing me in post #961 (Is this something stronger than you saying you think I’m Town?). At this point, following your last BIG post (953) I think I’m leaning towards you being Town, but confused. I understand your frustration, and I’ll be interested to see how DPR replies, since I haven’t had time to go back and check his backstory yet either, and I'd like to use what he says to judge if I can keep him in the clear. *nods at DPR*. Yes. This means that, for the moment, *acknowledging that I have not read his backstory and may be missing something, I have DPR in the clear. I also have Kiv there too, but mostly this is all based on who I think is scum.

 

@ DPR, (thanks for the welcome :) ) for what it’s worth, you might think Des' post 953 was dense, but I have motive for you replying to Des’ rant other than just piquing my curiosity and keeping you in the clear. Say you or I, or anyone else reading along these same lines here (So far my gut is going with Kiv, Csarmi and maybe Nyn are – but I’m not sure). If WE'RE all Town (and, @EVERYONE – I THINK WE ALL ARE), and we’re all killed - Who else is going to carry the flame that got us burned if we don't explain our thought process clearly enough for them to understand? Des is a vocal player, if he’s Town and simply confused (and his post comes across frustrated enough for me to think so) then I think it’s our job to help him understand… before we die… I know I'm new and all, but... amiright... or do you have something to hide?

 

This might be a good point to express that there is no such thing as "lock clearing". This is a fool's errand that will lead to confusion later in the game because it implies some certainty and that the topic needs not be revisited. I'll also say that I suspect some players have forgotten the danger in this. Kivam hasn't.

 

Your level of participation is outstanding! But, I (nor anybody else) is clear.

 

So (and grab your chalk - Ima get old school on you here) if you like what you read from me, this is what I try to do:

 

Facts (quotable posts and lynch or NK info) are what builds successful cases and wins games.

 

Speculation (tone reading, gut feelings and meta) can be useful to use as a guide and to calibrate your radar (this is vital at endgame). But, speculation should never be confused with fact.

 

Keep 'em both separated in your head and you'll win more games than you lose.

 

*staresintoyoureyes* I think that's what you were looking for.

Posted

I'm really bogged down right now and don't have time for attention to the game, I'm going to aim for a read through this afternoon, but this might not really happen until Friday. Tomorrow I'm in meetings all day. 

Posted

Salami - so what do you do when scum does townie stuff day 1 and you "lock clear" them? Because that's exactly what the gambit was about. You guys are all making the mistake of thinking scum need to act like scum to won, when the opposite is true.

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  On 11/12/2014 at 5:46 PM, csarmi said:

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 5:27 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

yeah, sometimes it DOES get busy at work... Des, you don't kill the thread, really. And Csarmi.. i miss lyrics... :sad:

 

back to work, bbl

They says they ignores my lyrics!

 

i don't. Maybe it's the musician in me, but i can mostly figure out your subtle hidden messages.

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@Kivam (and DPR I suppose): LOCK CLEAR is a bit more of a slang term or so than an actual hardcore "CONFIRMED" town thing on a slot. It's somewhat tongue in cheek.

 

That being said, my LOCK CLEAR on Cass is pretty strong, and I would need some SERIOUS scum slip from her or something to consider voting for her anytime soon.

 

Also, just wanna say that ARGLEBARGLE DPR's response to Cass just now REEKED of scum to me. But meh, I'm worried that the more I end up talking about him, the more others will dismiss what I have to say as tunnelvision

 

:sad:

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  On 11/12/2014 at 11:01 AM, Nynaeve said:

I can help you get emo if you want.

 

Wait for it....

 

 

 

Yes, Rag, you DO look fat in that dress.

  

Ohhh no you didnt!

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 12:31 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

not sure if cass' introduction post was overdone, but i don't think i actually know what an introduction post to mafia looks like. never done one.

 

i guess it was thorough enough for a green read from me.

 

 

Cass is definite townie lean for me.

 

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 2:33 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 2:22 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

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And here we go with more Yates defending.

 

Dude - you attack Nyn based on an ambiguous comment she made but but lacks any evidence while simultaneously trying to defend a player and play that we have in the books as evidence.

 

That's just not cricket, old boy.

 

First of all. Barm. Not nyn. Thanks for not reading. And I was only developing a tone read of one post and pushing for a response. I hold the belief that were I attacking them I would want something more substantial than one post to use.

 

Second of all, i don't mean to defend yates. he doesn't need it. i've made no statements regarding his alignment yet. and so far my opinion of him has been null.

 

This seems emo to me - it's a simple error and your quote isn't tagged. Either way, my point is that you choose to focus on a point with no evidence while simultaneously disregarding evidence on the table.

 

 

Umfortunately, this kind of emo response isn't out of Sili's town range.

 

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 3:14 PM, WWWwombat said:

LOCK CLEAR

WWWwombat

 

SOLID TOWNTheRagnarok

Tress

Thane Vakarian

Nynaeve (Mentored by Clovdyx)

Andrej

 

TOWN LEANLeelou

Yates.

Hallia

Stelio Kontos

 

NULL/MIXEDdicetosser1

Cass (Mentored by manbat)

Verbal32 / Barmacral Hydra

Krakalakachkn

Despot / csarmi Hydra

 

SCUM LEANSili Quirrels

Darthe

Kivam

DreadPirateRobertsArsis Pralaya

Ok, I'd like some explanation here. How am I, of all people, at the top of the green list? For those of you who don't know me, I take great pride in not being able to be read by anyone. And I haven't exactly posted a lot.

 

Why is Cass lower? Dpr?

 

Why is Tress higher? Aj?

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  On 11/12/2014 at 5:49 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 5:08 PM, Cass said:

I can't help it.

 

I have to post. It won't be all fancy and linky but hopefully it will do.

 

I'm up to Des' post #964.

 

 

 

I basically mind-melded with DPR through posts #924, 927, 933 and still on 939 - especially about the looking forward to seeing what happens.

 

 

ESPECIALLY looking forward to seeing who gets lynched… because, (shout out to Town) the way I see it, DPR and I probably have the same scum team in mind at this point and if either of us goes, you’ll know we had it right ;) If it goes the complete opposite way after this post, well, we were probably right there too. Assuming, you know, that we're actually right and that we actually have the same people in mind.

 

 

@ DES, thank you for lockclearing me in post #961 (Is this something stronger than you saying you think I’m Town?). At this point, following your last BIG post (953) I think I’m leaning towards you being Town, but confused. I understand your frustration, and I’ll be interested to see how DPR replies, since I haven’t had time to go back and check his backstory yet either, and I'd like to use what he says to judge if I can keep him in the clear. *nods at DPR*. Yes. This means that, for the moment, *acknowledging that I have not read his backstory and may be missing something, I have DPR in the clear. I also have Kiv there too, but mostly this is all based on who I think is scum.

 

@ DPR, (thanks for the welcome :) ) for what it’s worth, you might think Des' post 953 was dense, but I have motive for you replying to Des’ rant other than just piquing my curiosity and keeping you in the clear. Say you or I, or anyone else reading along these same lines here (So far my gut is going with Kiv, Csarmi and maybe Nyn are – but I’m not sure). If WE'RE all Town (and, @EVERYONE – I THINK WE ALL ARE), and we’re all killed - Who else is going to carry the flame that got us burned if we don't explain our thought process clearly enough for them to understand? Des is a vocal player, if he’s Town and simply confused (and his post comes across frustrated enough for me to think so) then I think it’s our job to help him understand… before we die… I know I'm new and all, but... amiright... or do you have something to hide?

 

This might be a good point to express that there is no such thing as "lock clearing". This is a fool's errand that will lead to confusion later in the game because it implies some certainty and that the topic needs not be revisited. I'll also say that I suspect some players have forgotten the danger in this. Kivam hasn't.

 

Your level of participation is outstanding! But, I (nor anybody else) is clear.

 

So (and grab your chalk - Ima get old school on you here) if you like what you read from me, this is what I try to do:

 

Facts (quotable posts and lynch or NK info) are what builds successful cases and wins games.

 

Speculation (tone reading, gut feelings and meta) can be useful to use as a guide and to calibrate your radar (this is vital at endgame). But, speculation should never be confused with fact.

 

Keep 'em both separated in your head and you'll win more games than you lose.

 

*staresintoyoureyes* I think that's what you were looking for.

 

 

Nope. And I'm not sure I like the way you're staring  :mellow:  I wanted you to reply (comprehensively) to Des' post 953. I thought that request, and my reasoning was pretty clear. He put in a lot of work for that, he's obviously frustrated (or very good at pretending -with backup- that he is) and has questions he wants directly answered. IF you're town, and Des is town, then it would be good for Town if you reply, making an honest effort to clear the air.

 

This game is going to kill me. *wails*

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  On 11/12/2014 at 5:53 PM, Kivam said:

Salami - so what do you do when scum does townie stuff day 1 and you "lock clear" them? Because that's exactly what the gambit was about. You guys are all making the mistake of thinking scum need to act like scum to won, when the opposite is true.

 

You lynch them D3 when their act falls apart. And if they play their best town whole game and you can't PoE them out of the game despite all of town's effort, they may just win sometimes.

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Might also be a good time to clear up a couple of things:

 

By D3 and D4, re-reading D1 is necessary. If it's buried in spam and post-padding, it becomes grim task that most players will give-up on. Hence, Kiv's notes (and the danger in taking them for fact, although that helps later as well). I will say that I do find it entertaining that so much has been made of "Seer Cover" by a select few that push it and yet they ignore Kivam's town beneficial action that accomplishes much the same thing (and requires a lot more work). Granted, it's not the same a facts provided in the event of a Seer death, but it's valuable as hell in its own way.

 

Anyyyyway, keeping D1 clear of crap and fluff is kinda important. So there's that.

 

It's also important (for many reasons) to avoid emo-meltdowns and invitations to get into flame wars. Just. Don't. Do. It.

Posted

Cass- :wub: your WIM, seriously do, but Kivam is right, get some sleep lol.

 

And enjoy sitting in bed and not being able to sleep easily because mafia scenarios keep going through your head over and over!

 

:baalzamon:

 

:laugh:

 

Srs tho, you're prob hooked already. I would suggest putting some kind of music or boring podcast on to help get your mind off the game and get some sleep. That's what I do :happy:

Posted

DPT I agree that spamming and fluffing at this point is very antitown, but wouldn't you say that that post you just made could be considered a "padding your post count" type post? As in you look like you're trying to say helpful stuff for town, but you don't actually say anything that is relevant to this game, so it's almost like that post in and of itself is fluff

Posted

Cass, go to bed :smile: We need you in shape for another day *nods*

 

And Des, if i would physically be able to hand out drinks and have this game IRL, i'd certainly do so. i come from the land of awesome beer, after all

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  On 11/12/2014 at 6:08 PM, Despothera said:

DPT I agree that spamming and fluffing at this point is very antitown, but wouldn't you say that that post you just made could be considered a "padding your post count" type post? As in you look like you're trying to say helpful stuff for town, but you don't actually say anything that is relevant to this game, so it's almost like that post in and of itself is fluff

 

You incessantly call for me to respond to your posts and now Cass is asking for a response as well. I make 1 post regarding my behavior and you call it padding.

 

Your game is a mess. Get me out of your head. 

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@DPR: Trust me bro, I wish I could (get you out of my head). However I AM tasked with finding scum this game, and am very worried you are one of them. I genuinely would appreciate it if you would make a better effort to respond to my posts, as it could help me determine if I'm misreading your slot.

Posted

Okay so not going to spoiler these, as I'm worried some or most of it would end up getting ignored anyways if I did, but I WILL try to split it into manageable chunks that way if people want to respond they won't have to delete as much stuff (if you do respond, please remove the nested quotes that don't matter or aren't relevant to what you're trying to respond to, just a bit of a pet peeve of mine)

 
  On 11/12/2014 at 4:53 AM, Kivam said:

DESlami begins Mafiasplaining Yates' play ... odd, that.  DESlami also has no idea what Wes meant about Salami, Darthe and Wombat [Des - Salami's post was an open invitation for reactions. Darthe and Wombat pounced, from opposite directions, which is a good catch by Wes.  Given my read on Wombat ... that doesn't say good things about Darthe].

 

Thane identifies his suspect list: Sili, Arsis, Darthe.  Matches mine, confirming he's town.   :cool:

 

First part of quote is Kivam saying I was "mafiasplaining" Yates' play, and well as I showed in that big post of mine a few pages ago, I was actually never doing that at all. I was scumreading Yates at the time, and responded to Dice asking what I thought about Yates' "clearing" him.

 

Second part is something I referred to earlier- don't really think town!Kivam would "confirm" Thane as town just because his reads coincided with his. Could be he was just being facetious here, in fact I kinda feel this is likely. /shrug

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 12:18 PM, Cass said:

**Questions for Town**

a) Is this sort of tone - see stuff in spoiler for what I mean - normal for Kivam?

 

**Questions for Town**

a) Is it usual for Yates to provide such OPEN Seer 'cover'?

b) How plausible is it (especially for those who have caught up and may have examples either way) that Yates may have been a Wolf posting ‘cover’ in the hopes of initiating other ‘peaks’/trying to find the Seer?

 

To answer your queries (in order of them being asked, and I also removed the ones that were either already answered or stupidly deleted other parts that would have given me better context for your actual question):

 

1. I think you were actually misreading some of Kivam's tone there. For instance, as he mentioned, the "pop quiz hot shots" is a quote from Speed, that wasn't him talking down to people. I DO think tho that as one of the more revered players on this site (and one that hasn't played in a long time, allowing the legend to grow into myth and such lol), he is probably more disposed to falling into that kind of tone- slightly condescending, you might say. He is a cool dude so it isn't intentional if he does, and I don't really think it's alignment indicative of him either way.

 

2. Yes, Yates often either employs gambits or executes plays like this. Him hard claiming Seer out the gate as the ACTUAL Seer would be a little off for him, but seer cover post wouldn't

 

3. Eh, don't really think it's that plausible tbh. Don't think he was trying to rolefish. I took the "seer cover" post as null really, and since then I actually think he might actually be town. It IS still plausible, what you're suggesting, I just don't know if he would have done so in the way he did considering he would have known how much attention it would have attracted as scum (which dammit, is kind of a point he made earlier to me)

 

Also in a following post you asked about Thane's tone, didn't quote it, but Thane IS known for often looking scummy as town, to the point where it's a running joke about how often he is lynched D1.

 
  On 11/12/2014 at 1:37 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 1:06 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

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Why do you have bad juju about us? You've said this several times but I don't recall you giving a reason for it.

 

Because your language is stilted language, and implies a guilty conscience?  :huh:

 

ironically, i was only grasping at straws. but the longer this goes unanswered, and the more i look at the wording, the more peculiar it sounds. usually i'm not one to read too much into content and structure but this sort of phrasing pings me as posturing from an inexperienced wolf.

 

how he centers himself by reiterating bad juju, or recaps to ask a question he probably should have made sooner compels me to think he was pointedly ignoring it but is now trying to demonstrate tact.

 

i guess i would like to know how experienced barm is, and whether he's made any other overtures to address nyn and co's concerns with his gameplay.

 

 

Actually deleted another quote from Sili that I thought looked bad (him buddying up to Rags then saying he intentionally dropped another scumtell) as I'm now thinking he COULD be town here (albeit some of my thinking there is associative), but I still wanted to comment on this post.
 
This was directed @ Barm, and the way he "follows up" on his post here looks incredibly fake and forced to me. If you look at the time stamps, he asked his "question" of Barm, then roughly half an hour later says that the longer the question goes unanswered the worse it looks?
 
:huh:
 
Barm never posted during that time period either. Could be paranoia on Sili's part I guess, but again, this looked forced to me when I saw it, and still does.

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 1:53 PM, Barmacral said:

 

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Re: your comment on button pushing - I thought it was as much, but I'm still not sure I liked the way it came across... and your explanation doesn't clear that up? I was more unclear on the why than the what. I guess what I really wanted to say was  “Barm, were you jumping on a nothing in order to set Leelou up as scum, pushing such a nothing button because you're WILF?” I didn't really see a point for Town to push that button. Who's buttons exactly are you trying to push?

 

At that point in the game anyone at all, the game had just started and up to then there had been exactly zero real content. And it worked, multiple people responded and blew things out of proportion for what I entirely agree should have amounted to nothing.

 

So... is this you backtracking Barm?

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So I started reading and taking separate notes, but I realized I've taken extensive notes in the past and they don't seem to help my game too much, so I said eff it and started skimming to catch up because I think that's a more valuable use of my time.  No one likes eternal catch up posts and I can't say I'm usually a very effective scum hunter when I'm in catchup mode.

 

 

So here are my reads based off what I observed:

 

Wombat

Deslami

 

Nyn

Thane

Kivam

Dice

 

AJ

 

DPR

Rags

Cass

Hallia

Stelio

VerBarm

 

Yates

 

Tress

Darthe

Arsis

 

Leelou

Sili

 

 

 

I like this post from Wombat.  Firm stance flying in the face of DPR's recent posts possibly linking Yates and Deslami.  This shows willingness to be flexible and organic.  I don't get his defense of Darthe here.  It makes me wonder if his lowering read on Deslami had anything to do with his read on Darthe.

 

Despo's post here is an interesting one.  I agree that Darthe is likely scum based on what I've seen so far, but I disagree with tenets one and two as far as reading Darthe is concerned.  I too had Salami as early town and you as null, so I absolutely think that you can waffle on a hydra slot without it being suspicious.  Just because you think he might use it with a scum agenda in the future is irrelevant until he actually does it.  I like that Des sees what I saw here about Darthe's post.  I'm starting to get tingles.  I haven't had a mind meld with Des in a while.  And I usually have a good rapport with Salami so this could be incredibly fun.

 

I like this post from Kivam a lot.  It's not directly related to gameplay per se, but it sure as hell reads as coming from a genuine town mindset.  I'll admit I haven't read any of his recap posts, but that's because they have a lot of content and I would rather ISO them all at once.  Depending on what I read, his placement in my list might change drastically.  Or not.

 

So there's Nyn.  She was town telling pretty hard in the early stages of the game when I made this post.  I was at work and behind, on my phone and liable to be called away at any moment to help a customer.  I figured she would be fine with helping me out and as she was my towniest town besides Thane, I cared more about what she had to say than anyone else.  She responds to a couple of my posts with jokes, makes a post like this.  This was a bad look from me, based on a smattering of posts Early D1 and my interaction with Nyn just before it.  I think Nyn's post here was a town tell in the middle of me attempting to make a case on her, and her case on Arsis is logical.  This post obviously got me really riled up, which is hard to do, but I overreacted, read it as a howl, and voted her.  On second read, Nyn AtE after that reads to me as town Nyn, especially this bit.

 

Town read on Dice here, really liked his response to my question.  Natural, unhurried, explained without over explaining, etc.

 

Scummy post from Yates here imo.  At this point he should have just let it go, but by continuing the argument it allows him to look like bulldog town trying to clear themselves.

 

The first post I remember seeing from DPR was pretty null for me.  Could be w/w with Yates here.  SUPGate and Darthe bit are null too.

 

Pretty null post from Tress, but this post reads as a bit overkill.  Like Sili was setting that one up for someone to come in and respond to.  Dare I say it?

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.  Not much else, leaning scum.

 

Disagree with Salami about Cass' intro, it's completely null for me.  I have no background on her and while it's very friendly, I'm not going to say that she's incontrovertibly town.

 

Dislike Verb's question to me here.  Looks like he's trying to take advantage of my derpread on Nyn without being too obvious.  Don't have a firm grasp on this hydra yet.

 

I like this post from AJ.  Another here.  I haven't seen much else of note from him though.  Enough to make him slightly >rand town compared to the rest of my nulls.

 

Arsis with a very weird and backhanded defense of Darthe here.  Strikes me as really, really off.

 

Leelou appears out of the woodworks here to nudge at Darthe.  I still don't like how she answered my question toward the beginning of the game about her being third party.  She then pokes at me without saying anything terribly concrete, defending Nyn without being overly obvious.  Again she doesn't back it up with anything.  She's intent to snipe until I force the issue.  Her responses here and here are bad imo.  I'm not being hypocritical but she hits me with that brick anyway, words that sound good but don't mean a lot.  This was already obvious, and her hitting us over the head with it makes me think she's trying overly hard to be seen as part of the consensus

 

Sili has spent a hell of a time fumbling over himself.  His lack of care where he puts his vote wouldn't really bother me except that he's being blatantly casual with it, overselling it.  His post here puts it in perspective.  How does he expect his vote to put pressure on people if he's flinging it around and admitting that it doesn't matter where he puts it?  Answer: it doesn't and he contradicted himself on the issue.  This might be a bit of wifom, but Sili's post makes me think that he knows Despo is barking up the wrong tree with his reads.  Don't like Sili's interactions here or here.  He's playing a weird combination of "better than" and "less knowledgeable than" the rest of the players.  Like he's split on how to approach the game because he's trying to compensate for being a wolf.  He's right about Des misrepping him in the earlier quote, and tbh I misread that part from him too, but his explanation attempts to put the blame on the town for Sili's play rather than being accountable for his own play.  Kind of a hypocritical post from Sili here, Sili voted much quicker than AJ and for a joke reason, and the first bit makes it seem like Sili thinks there was a reason for AJ to vote him.  Here Sili contradicts himself on his Kivam read.  Vote on Arsis looks like a wolf floating with the current.

 

Scummy post from Darthe here.  I don't like that he tries to sell the "if I was scum" line.  Like he would admit it held water if he were scum.  But then I immediately agree with this post.  This could be w/w.  I think it's a little thin, but I wanted to include it anyway.  Better post from Darthe here as I think he's trying to get into the game past the Deslami interaction but he's still asking game-related questions.  Better looking post from Darthe.  I had him as bottom two for a bit, but his past few posts I've quoted are making him rise.

 

Questions:

 

@DPR - In your post here I don't see you coming down on a side of the authority issue wrt Despo.  Do you have an opinion on Despo taking the authoritative high ground and what is your follow-up opinion on Verb's use of the same play while interacting with Thane in the first few pages?

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