[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[Cass]

@Darthe

 

My vote on you is the strongest read I have at this point. It may be paranoid (current biggest concern), but it certainly isn't lazy. I've been up all night wrestling dodgy internet to do that ISO/better consider my options.

 

I also never suggested you were buddying Thane, don't twist my words.

 

And as far as I read you were the only one anywhere near certain on me being Town.

 

 

 

@ Csarmi

 

I don't want to die, I want scum to die. I am just feeling in the same boat as you on all the other stuff (not having reads on Town, not being sure on other players) and don't want to be a liability later.

[Darthe]

I'm going to try and be blunt here for both the sake of brevity and because I'm sick and aggravated.

 

Your other half and a couple of emo-inactives are screwing us based on horse-doo-doo.  The case so far for me as SK is that I am an odd dude and for mafia is that I was too good a townie.  Those are laughable.

 

Fix your perspectives, take off the tinfoil hat.  If you can't make a better case than "I am suspicious of how unsuspicious Darthe has been" then you need to re-evaluate the game.  It may be tougher to mire through the posts of Dice (who I agree was on his D1 scum meta but who has since actually cleaned up) Pralarsis (god help us) Cass (self sacrificial newbie) Tress (like the anti-nostradamus) Thane (Couldn't town his way out of a bucket) and Hally (Who?-nicorn) but it is the crap I've been doing and instead of suspecting me for being suspicious you two need to dig your arms deep into this filth and help me actually find some townie nuggets so that we can clear people.  

 

Tinfoiling on the one person who has still actually interracted and got a handle on this game is the wrong call for F8.  F4 I'd get it.  But F8 is just not logical.

[Darthe]

  On 11/24/2014 at 7:58 PM, Cass said:

 

@Darthe

 

My vote on you is the strongest read I have at this point. It may be paranoid (current biggest concern), but it certainly isn't lazy. I've been up all night wrestling dodgy internet to do that ISO/better consider my options.

 

I also never suggested you were buddying Thane, don't twist my words.

 

And as far as I read you were the only one anywhere near certain on me being Town.

 

 

 

@ Csarmi

 

I don't want to die, I want scum to die. I am just feeling in the same boat as you on all the other stuff (not having reads on Town, not being sure on other players) and don't want to be a liability later.

 

 

Your strongest read is because nobody else has done a ****ing thing in this game.  It isn't based on merit or me being scummy, it's based on having no baseline with which to judge other players because they've been gone.  Recognize the difference please.  

 

Also, I used thane as an example.  Don't go lolz on me now.  

 

So certain of you being town that I did an entire ISO weighing you earlier this day and came out with a maybe?  You're getting conf-bias IMO.

[Darthe]

  On 11/24/2014 at 7:48 PM, csarmi said:

Despo don't like Laya either I have no idea.

 

You two are so confusing.  

[csarmi]

Darthe something about your aggressiveness rubs me the wrong way.

 

And well I'll try to be of help but very busy.

[Cass]

 

  On 11/24/2014 at 8:03 PM, Darthe said:

Your strongest read is because nobody else has done a ****ing thing in this game.  

I'm just as frustrated as you sound. The difficulty is, I'm also trying to figure you out, and some other players have done some serious posts, just not about you. The lurkers are making it extremely difficult. When, if ever, is it best to lynch them just on the fact they're quiet?

 

 

  On 11/24/2014 at 7:59 PM, Darthe said:

Fix your perspectives, take off the tinfoil hat.  If you can't make a better case than "I am suspicious of how unsuspicious Darthe has been" then you need to re-evaluate the game.  It may be tougher to mire through the posts of Dice (who I agree was on his D1 scum meta but who has since actually cleaned up) Pralarsis (god help us) Cass (self sacrificial newbie) Tress (like the anti-nostradamus) Thane (Couldn't town his way out of a bucket) and Hally (Who?-nicorn) but it is the crap I've been doing and instead of suspecting me for being suspicious you two need to dig your arms deep into this filth and help me actually find some townie nuggets so that we can clear people.  

 

Have you actually found some townie nuggets in there? Cos the closest I have is Dice, and that's with nothing specific to go on, and no history on any of you.

 

 

@Csarm and Thane - What are you making of Darthe, right now?

[Cass]

Darthe, I agree with Csarmi. You're lecturing a lot and not providing anything constructive. I get your frustration but your aggressiveness isn't helping. 

[Cass]

And where is everyone on Tress?

[dicetosser1]

  On 11/24/2014 at 6:47 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

*listens to Des*

 

unvote

 

vote:##Darthe

 

headdesk

 

the biggest problem here is i see you do this as a townie too!

[Thane Vakarian]

Darthe sounds pretty much frustrated town right now. SO does Cass. Des and csarmi need to pull their act together. Hallia is ok. dice is town from what i can tell. Still Pral.. dunno... and, last but not least...

 

unvote

 

vote:##Tress

 

my final words for today.

 

thread feels a lot townie, and i'll trust my gut on this one.

[dicetosser1]

im leaning town on tress

[Cass]

@ Dice, why? And how strong Town?

 

Who's your top pick for non Town?

[dicetosser1]

medium strong cass. its pure meta read tho.

 

top pick   im tinfoiling a bit. I think pral is a definite contender. thane has shook me with his last couple of posts

[Darthe]

  On 11/24/2014 at 8:19 PM, csarmi said:

Darthe something about your aggressiveness rubs me the wrong way.

 

And well I'll try to be of help but very busy.

I kinda figured it would but it fits my mood and day so not much I'm going to do about it.

 

  On 11/24/2014 at 8:22 PM, Cass said:

 

 

  On 11/24/2014 at 8:03 PM, Darthe said:

Your strongest read is because nobody else has done a ****ing thing in this game.  

I'm just as frustrated as you sound. The difficulty is, I'm also trying to figure you out, and some other players have done some serious posts, just not about you. The lurkers are making it extremely difficult. When, if ever, is it best to lynch them just on the fact they're quiet?

 

 

  On 11/24/2014 at 7:59 PM, Darthe said:

Fix your perspectives, take off the tinfoil hat.  If you can't make a better case than "I am suspicious of how unsuspicious Darthe has been" then you need to re-evaluate the game.  It may be tougher to mire through the posts of Dice (who I agree was on his D1 scum meta but who has since actually cleaned up) Pralarsis (god help us) Cass (self sacrificial newbie) Tress (like the anti-nostradamus) Thane (Couldn't town his way out of a bucket) and Hally (Who?-nicorn) but it is the crap I've been doing and instead of suspecting me for being suspicious you two need to dig your arms deep into this filth and help me actually find some townie nuggets so that we can clear people.  

 

Have you actually found some townie nuggets in there? Cos the closest I have is Dice, and that's with nothing specific to go on, and no history on any of you.

 

 

@Csarm and Thane - What are you making of Darthe, right now?

 

Does nobody read my posts?  Yeah.  I got townie nuggets on you from your interractions with Yates (ironic considering your read on me atm) , quite a few on Dice in the later game, Laya I got mixed signals on though Arsis was bad and Hally is objectively as near mech-clear as someone can be without claiming Vig much as I distaste it.  

[Hallia]

I'm off finding a tiny violin for Darthe,

 

I'm adding AtE to his scum tells.

[Darthe]

Tress is muddled for me but I think if I had to order everyone (spaces define distance between reads in strength) I'd go 

 

Deslami - chubclaimed vig that hasn't been refuted or CC'd

 

 

Hally - Mechanically cleared, frustratingly absent

 

Thane - Terrible poster but reads as earnest.  I often mark townies like this because they just look like they're saying whatever they think which is how I played when I was newer and still do on occasion

 

 

 

Dice - Bad D1 but his game has improved since which is highly abnormal for scum!dice

 

 

Cass - Floundering and self-deprevation have dropped her imo

Tress - essentially being out-towned by Dice/Thane

 

Laya - Possibly not scum due to D1 wagonomics but highest probability for SK based on comparison to previous town/scum games 

[Darthe]

  On 11/24/2014 at 9:06 PM, Hallia said:

I'm off finding a tiny violin for Darthe,

 

I'm adding AtE to his scum tells.

GFY and rot.

[Darthe]

I would pay to be scum or SK right now.  This is lolvilla in the highest sense.  Scum strategy:

 

Post less

Emo prod

???
Profit

 

 

 

Totally rosturbated to this game btw

[Cass]

Voting Pral because Arsis pinged early day 1, when you have mixed signals on Pral from his posts seems risky to me. I've been judging Pral on Pral and going with the idea that Arsis subbed for a RL reason. How often do players sub out just to shift suspicion?

 

What's your stance on 'antinostradamus' Tress? You didn't mention her in your run down.

[Hallia]

It's a game, don't forget that. I'm sorry you're feeling all of this negative emotion, but there's no need to bring down the whole thread.

[Darthe]

  On 11/24/2014 at 9:16 PM, Cass said:

Voting Pral because Arsis pinged early day 1, when you have mixed signals on Pral from his posts seems risky to me. I've been judging Pral on Pral and going with the idea that Arsis subbed for a RL reason. How often do players sub out just to shift suspicion?

 

What's your stance on 'antinostradamus' Tress? You didn't mention her in your run down.

I don't remotely suspect that Arsis subbed to duck suspicion, that would be pretty bad cheating.  However I measure them the same way that I measure Hydra's which is that both heads matter.  Laya mixed + Arsis bad = mostly bad.

 

I thought I made Tress abundantly clear.  She is right below you and in part that is because she tried to head off suspicion of her by going 8 mile on her own reads list that was entirely wrong and balanced with a scummer in each category.  I said that in one of my ISO's of D1 EoD.

 

@Hally, you prodded me and are using it to say I'm bringing down the thread?  Of course it's offensive.  

[Hallia]

Don't dish it if you can't take it? There's a difference between you calling me a who-micron and my response - which I kind of laughed at, and you goin with GFY and rot. If you can't see the difference then I feel bad for you.

[Hallia]

Who-nicorn- dat autocorrect

[hazelkrs1]

##[unvote]

 

[V]##Darthe[/v]

 

Kill it with fire

[Darthe]

  On 11/24/2014 at 9:27 PM, Hallia said:

Don't dish it if you can't take it? There's a difference between you calling me a who-micron and my response - which I kind of laughed at, and you goin with GFY and rot. If you can't see the difference then I feel bad for you.

Sorry.  Caught me when it hurt Hally, I apologize if that crosses a line for you.  I didn't think it worse than things that have been said to me but I can see the difference.